Tracks without chicanes

[ctype]

This is directed to track builder specifically.

I was reading Auto Simsport today and was happy to see that I'm not the only one who would like to have the tracks with out the chicanes. While I certianly can't complain about the the track mods, I would just love to go through Tamburello the way it used to be. The need for the chicane in RL is there, but the need in sim racing is not. It's really not important if the "real" track has them or not. (to me anyway)

Track building looks like an auful lot of work. Would that be the case in making mods to existing tracks to put those sections back in?

And yes, I absolutely hate chicanes and refuse to refer to them as 'the technical section'. And no, I get through them just fine.

Thanks

Bill

Just noticed in the forum rules that this request is in the wrong place. Sorry.

[Fool_1njection]

Having no chicanes is like having no hairpin turns or no straights.

You could have 2 versions of the same track tho, one with the chicanes and one without.

[Wee Scot]

There is nothing "technical" (much less "elegant") about modern chicanes. They became a necessary evil for organizers who wanted to keep holding races at circuits judged by drivers, courts, and politicians to be too dangerous to drivers, spectators, or both!

There used to be chicanes that provided a dangerous test of skill and nerve. I'm thinking here of the Monaco chicane which took Lorenzo Bandini's life. Such chicanes don't exist anymore. What used to be called chicanes have themselves been re-engineered for safety!

If you think about chicanes today, you'll have to agree that most involve heavy braking, teeth-rattling kerb bouncing, a couple of yanks on the wheel, and slam back on the throttle! There are a few (Curva del Vialone leading to Variante Ascari at Monza) that are more flowing S-bends than chicanes, but they are more the exception than the rule.

No, almost ALL circuits would provide better, more enjoyable and challenging laps if they didn't have ANY chicanes.

[purplesalad]

i think the lemans in 1967-1979 was probably its best years because they didn't have all those chicanes i do understand why some chicanes are built but on a long straight that goes for 6 km and all of a sudden you have to stop and go around the chicane well i think there just complete nonsence for some of them

[Chris_thecarguy]

There is something to be said about chicanes just to keep overall top speeds down, but IMO they could be handled more tactfully. Something more along the lines of some high-speed sweepers that would force cars to slow down, but also promote passing. I have no love for chicanes ("technical" my arse--its an impediment to the track) but I wholeheartedly enjoy running through fast sweepers.

[Gaiajohan]

i think the lemans in 1967-1979 was probably its best years because they didn't have all those chicanes i do understand why some chicanes are built but on a long straight that goes for 6 km and all of a sudden you have to stop and go around the chicane well i think there just complete nonsence for some of them

those two chicanes at Mulsanne straight was a FIA rule. Straight are not allowed to be longer than 2km.:down:

[Slick1]

Wth!

[Gaiajohan]

Wth!

http://home.insightbb.com/~freethinker/rly.JPG

[Slick1]

Why, I think a car has ample time to slow down for the mulsanne corner, it would only test how good a car really is, the crackheads, always with safety, but with a straight away that long who could possibly die, and the turn can be seen a great distance away, I don't get it.:confused::mad:

[purplesalad]

this is why i love historic racing because there were hardly any chicanes most tracks were very long

[Slick1]

yeah that is great and all, but you see more people died back then and we came to see a race, not somebody die and(sighs) as always we always have to make a sacrifice, so worse racing for safety.

[ctype]

Well, at least it's nice to know I'm not along in the woods.:)

Hopefully we will get some tracks that will allow for both, or just without.

I agree that idea of slowing the cars could have been accomplished with some less dramatic direction changes that may have made the courses even more interesting.

[hoboholic]

i think another case with the lemans chicanes was the new cars would blow up (engines :P) by the time the got the the end of mulsanne ;)
just a theory

[Fool_1njection]

500 KPH LMP1 cars. Sweet.

[halfcolours]

they put in the chicanes on the mulsane because the C class cars were reaching 400+ km in normal racing trim. the idea was that if such an incident as happened with Mark Webber at Le Mans in the Merc a few years ago. also it would allow for LMP's to be more focused on something other than pure straight line speed as if you could get 5km faster top speed you could ignore your cornering speed and therefore the cars would be hopelessly unsafe in the corners because the manufactures would ignore downforce.

[APGEcho]

I absolutely LOVE the chicanes on Monza, Burke Lakefront in Cleveland, and just about any other chicane. It's always just been my favorite kinda turn... other than a 90 in a rally car :P

[hoboholic]

but the only chicane at cleveland is that final turn (from what i remember)
and this is talking about chicanes that break up a straight, like your monza example,
the chicane at cleveland is there because you would go into the pitlane if it wasnt there :P

P.S i have a bad memory so im not sure

[Slowest]

Hi !

I come with a question ;)

We're using the F1-79 mod for rF, and we would like to delete the first chicane in Monza (Brianza set, GP version, but remove the first chicane).

In Simeditor, i can surely move the cones and put them so that they block the way to the chicane, BUT, how can i ask rF to allow people to "go through" and not give a penalty for short cutting ?

Has it something to do with AIW file ?


Thanks in advance,
Slow.

[Fool_1njection]

It has to do with the aiw file, you could also run without flag rules but not so sure if that would be too good, people might start taking more shortcuts and cheat!!!

[Fool_1njection]

I absolutely LOVE the chicanes on Monza, Burke Lakefront in Cleveland, and just about any other chicane. It's always just been my favorite kinda turn... other than a 90 in a rally car :P

I agree, love most chicanes, especially those with big bumps or curbs like Imola 94 version, looks soo cool on the Replay.:roflmao:

I would however love a Monza track with no chicanes, no 1st chicane, 2nd or 3rd leading to the Back straight towards the final turn.

Imagine driving a Monza like that :yes:

Going flatout all the way to the lesomos and then flatout again to the final turn:roflmao::roflmao::roflmao:

[Slowest]

Ok, so i must edit manually the AIW...

I'll go and look for what to change exactly !

Any clue? Is there an app that could help?

[Fool_1njection]

There are aiw editors\programs but I dont have any links, sorry

The track modders use these to create the aiw.

[Slowest]

Ok thanks, i found one.

If anyone looks for an answer to the same problem, here it is:

http://www.rfactorcentral.com/detail.cfm?ID=AIW%20CAM%20Editor

[Fool_1njection]

Thats where I found mine, dont use it anyway!!!

[Gomez Addams]

they put in the chicanes on the mulsane because the C class cars were reaching 400+ km in normal racing trim.

Actually the FIA adopted a rule that no straights may be longer than 1 Km which is why the Mulsanne is the way it is today.

[Gaiajohan]

Actually the FIA adopted a rule that no straights may be longer than 1 Km which is why the Mulsanne is the way it is today.

2km ;).

Already said that http://www.nogripracing.com/forum/showpost.php?p=114400&postcount=6

[Gomez Addams]

Yes, I was mistaken and that is correct as stated in section 7.2 of Appendix O. Thanks.

[Slowest]

Ok, so, for the next guy with the same problem, i found out that ISI had released modding tools. But i was unable to find them on their website.

All i found is this:

RSC forum (http://forum.racesimcentral.com/showpost.php?p=3511128&postcount=24)



(because the aiw editor i was linking up there... sucks a bit when you have tried the ISI tool which is genius... (ingame editing, very easy and fun)


And i already modified the aiw: link (http://www.jfchardon.net/Brianza_ItalianGP.AIW)

So the first monza chicane is off... I still have to move the cones and panels.
(note: to use with Brianza pack for rF, and to copy into C:\Program Files\rFactor\GameData\Locations\Brianza\Brianza_I talianGP\)

Make a backup file ;)