GT5 Prologue in october.

[rasfigjohn]

Informations on gtplanet.
http://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=96425

Gallery: http://www.gtplanet.net/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=350
HD videos: http://www.gtplanet.net/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=70

[Slick1]

Wow, awesome, looking forward to the future of gaming now :D

[Kongo]

GT5 Prologue huh?
GT Driving School 2 it is then. :D

[th3f411]

I think what made the game look more real was that they make the cars less shinny and reflective

I sure hope there is Full G25 compatibility in the full game

[Kongo]

I sure hope there is Full G25 compatibility in the full game

How? That's for PS2. PS3 uses wireless controllers. (6axis)
No doubt there will be a different one for this. Driving force pro 2. :D

[Gaiajohan]

I've already driven the demo a bit in a Mediamarkt here. Drove a Ferrari F599. Very difficult, I even didn't know the buttons at the back of the controller were analog, but still, throttling is difficult. I was spinning several times. And it was very difficult to GT3 :P.

[purplesalad]

is it for PC and if it is would it withe the G25 and the actlabs rs shifter

[Gaiajohan]

PS3 of course :)

[Slick1]

Yes purplesalad, it would be wonderful though it were to be on pc, there could be soo many implications to it and the community would try to mod it and make skins and the game will be GREAT do yall agree with that statement?

[Kongo]

Yes purplesalad, it would be wonderful though it were to be on pc, there could be soo many implications to it and the community would try to mod it and make skins and the game will be GREAT do yall agree with that statement?

Yes but they are exclusive to Sony. Otherside, they'd have made GT4 for the Xbox and even the GameCube back then and would have GT4 made for the other consoles too. Most prob they would bandwagon jump and go with the Wii.

So no, never be for PC. Jus get used to your pad till they make a new wheel.
No doubt they'll intergrate the tilt technology in that makes the whole deal so damn expensive...and for DATED technology shesh!

[purplesalad]

i do have a ps2 i can just hook up my g25 to that

[Kongo]

i do have a ps2 i can just hook up my g25 to that

Yes but GT5 is for PS3 not PS2.

[Slick1]

Sadly, but oh well, i'm waiting till a few years to get my Ps3 when prices are down lol, too much for me, i'm spending my money on computer parts, that'll be worth it, i'll get use to the game pad, but the graphics are a plus and it sounds pretty cool, i was playing GTHD and that was great so GT5 would be awesome

[Kongo]

Sadly, but oh well, i'm waiting till a few years to get my Ps3 when prices are down lol, too much for me, i'm spending my money on computer parts, that'll be worth it, i'll get use to the game pad, but the graphics are a plus and it sounds pretty cool, i was playing GTHD and that was great so GT5 would be awesome

:OMG: JEEZ they jus lowered the price in the US!
Feel lucky, they ain't budging here. Instead they throw more in...yeah great one assholes thats only good if you can AFFORD IT IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!
:D

The reason for the high price for dated, slightly uprated technology?
Sony have balls now. They were noobs but with past 2 consoles a success they now feel confident so now thier corporate head has shown!
I'll stick with my Wii, great fun, truely original and cheap considering the techniology used. Tanks you Nintendo for NOT forgetting your roots and fans...Unlike Sony whom have jus pissed on em...:mad:

[JMSpeed]

:OMG: JEEZ they jus lowered the price in the US!
Feel lucky, they ain't budging here. Instead they throw more in...yeah great one assholes thats only good if you can AFFORD IT IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!
:D

The reason for the high price for dated, slightly uprated technology?
Sony have balls now. They were noobs but with past 2 consoles a success they now feel confident so now thier corporate head has shown!
I'll stick with my Wii, great fun, truely original and cheap considering the techniology used. Tanks you Nintendo for NOT forgetting your roots and fans...Unlike Sony whom have jus pissed on em...:mad:

Wasn't the discussion supposed to be about GT5 Prologue? :p

[Mario5555]

i read that the cockpit view will only be in the replay not in the when your driving.

[DucFreak]

i read that the cockpit view will only be in the replay not in the when your driving.

...could be so but that wouldn't make sense. :confused:

[purplesalad]

...could be so but that wouldn't make sense. :confused:yeah i know that doesn't make sense ill only buy simulators that have a cockpit veiw

[Kongo]

Wasn't the discussion supposed to be about GT5 Prologue? :p
Yeah yous right, we jus went off on one LOL!

i read that the cockpit view will only be in the replay not in the when your driving.

Huh I read that the cockpit view is fully working for racing.
Changed it did they? No excuse. The PS2 did it in TDU (albiet basically), so can this "Hi-tech" console.:mad:

[th3f411]

kongo-How? That's for PS2. PS3 uses wireless controllers. (6axis)
No doubt there will be a different one for this. Driving force pro 2.

No its not for PS2...if it was there would be use of the clutch and H shifter, and there is not

Why the hell would they make another wheel? What more could you possibly want? Clutch, Six Speed H shifter, still has Paddles on the wheel, and a full 900 degrees of rotation(which i rarely use)

and the G25 already has regular compatibility I.E. Sequential with no clutch. I think that Polyphony should get their thumbs out of their asses and get a move on.
The only thing a new wheel would do, is give them (Logitech, Madcatz etc...) IS MORE MONEY:mad:

There is no reason it should not get full compatibility like it has on nearly ever "newish" computer SIM out there

[kelvin_46]

Well I don't know how many of you understand Japanese. I don't but clicking on pictures always leads you somewhere :D

Check out the videos for GT5 herehttp://www.gran-turismo.com/jp/movie/

It looks great and as Ive grown up playing on all the gran turismo series I will have to dig deep when it's released to get a PS3. Just can't believe how expensive they are.

[Kongo]

No its not for PS2...if it was there would be use of the clutch and H shifter, and there is not


Uh actually it is for the PS2. Clearly you jus play GT series. GT4 was made with the DFP in mind and NOT the G25. Later racers however, such as NFS Carbon fully support the G25 and if you look around you will see it is under PC and Playstation 2 for compatibility so, thank you very much but no, it is for PS2.
I imagine it will work for PS3 I'm jus sayin, there may be one for it dedicated as even the G25 could be improved on. :D

As for a new wheel, why not? it makes em more money.
I'm willing to put money down here that they make a new wheel for GT5 for the PS3, a wireless one. That said, I'm broke as usual so never mind the money part, I'll put myself on the line. :D

[kelvin_46]

If you check out the V36 video i think he's using a G25 wheel so i think it will be compatible :) :up:

[Kongo]

Well I don't know how many of you understand Japanese. I don't but clicking on pictures always leads you somewhere :D

Check out the videos for GT5 herehttp://www.gran-turismo.com/jp/movie/

It looks great and as Ive grown up playing on all the gran turismo series I will have to dig deep when it's released to get a PS3. Just can't believe how expensive they are.

Wow look, people that MOVE! :D
See the dude on the grass walk towards the fence?
This best be good I tell ya cause I may have a PS3 for free (dads friends sister works for Sony and had 10 promo's so we got one) but the games ain't there so i hope for this to be good as otherwise, I'm glad I didnt pay for it LOL! :D

I spose the G25 may work I jus think Logitech will have a trick up thier sleeve thats all but there are 4 USB ports to use...maybe I'll try my DFP.

[Malcolm Reynolds]

Who the hell created that tyre screeching sound, it's sounds like Pinky & Perky gargling:saywhat:

[th3f411]

i know it works with the PS2, i was playing GT3 with it 20 minutes ago...as for fill compatibility, if what you are saying with Carbon is true, then my dearest apologies, i own that game for the PC....., the reason i really only play the GT series, is because most other "racing" games on the system are terrible, take Nascar 2005, terrible.

None the less, point taken, i shall slowly walk away with my tail between my legs and play more video games...

Cheers

[Kongo]

i know it works with the PS2, i was playing GT3 with it 20 minutes ago...as for fill compatibility, if what you are saying with Carbon is true, then my dearest apologies, i own that game for the PC....., the reason i really only play the GT series, is because most other "racing" games on the system are terrible, take Nascar 2005, terrible.

None the less, point taken, i shall slowly walk away with my tail between my legs and play more video games...

Cheers

:D
No problem dude I didn't take it bad.
On with the games / sims. :up:

[Ahriman4891]

Hi everyone, my 1st post here.

G25 works with PS3 after the firmware update, don't remember the exact version but I think since 1.80 (most current one is 1.90 or so). Also, I would be VERY surprised if cockpit view was there just for the replays--given the high level of detail and the amount of artist man-hours that goes into the cockpits, they wouldn't bother with it if it wasn't actually usable.

Looks like I will have to splurge for a g25 after all :) I just got GTR2 and it's unplayable with a pad I have for PC, and since it will work for GT5 too...

[Madd-RIP]

Actually its a DFP wheel the shifter is the sequential type attached to the main body, so good news on that front.

[Kongo]

Well DIRT offers cockpit views in game so if GT5 doesn't I'd be surprised, so lets say that they will...and that you'll race people online who only use swingman / bonnet / bumper cam. :D

[Ahriman4891]

You guys really don't follow the console news, don't you?:p

It will have cockpit view, it will have damage for race cars and at least cosmetic damage for road cars. The physics is undergoing a major change, but GT5: Prologue will only take us half way there -- we'll have to wait till actual GT5 for them to finish the new physics engine. There are also rumors of a licensed GT5 wheel based on Logitech G25. Go to the wikipedia page to read more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gran_turismo_5_prologue .

If you have a fast internet connection, go here:

http://gamersyde.com/game_1316.html

they even have 60 frames per second trailers.

[nicocrank]

and just why oh why they dont do a PC version ??? they just have to call it something else , but PC really need a Dealership based simulation ,

BTW i dont car about cockpit view , or damage ! i just wanna drive real cars on real circuit , the way GT and Enthusia and even Forta acheived

i am tired of going from dealer to dealer to try the cars, and the Nurburgring is to far from here , Dealers dont do roadtest from canada to germany
:)

[Raikku]

Yeah, that's right.

Everybody needs a car which perfoms well on Nordschleife.

[Kongo]

You guys really don't follow the console news, don't you?:p


I'm prob one of very few here who plays on consoles regularly.
I am up to date jus, PS3 doesn't have me interested much. Sales are crap! How'd that happen I wonder?

[scrumpy_j]

Please tell me this, if u love simulation racing games then why would u not want damage and cockpit views, it's proper sim racing, cheez even Colin Mcrae2 had it for gods sakes... i find that quite astonishing. Forza 2 doesnt have a cockpit view but it's still amazing game which is enhanced alot by the Damage.. If GT5 don't have a either cockpit or damage, then it woulnt be worth buying because it's all been done b4.

Anyways the sceenshots look stunnin, best incar veiw to date...... will u beable to use it online, well sumthin tell me no but heres hopin

[Ahriman4891]

What do you mean? Will you be able to use incar view online? Why not? BTW online play is rumored to support 16 people. Also, it will have some sort of wrecker statistics, so I guess as soon as a person joins the game will tell you who you are dealing with.

I am personally more worried about physics (I actually never played Gran Turismo before, but this version has my interest), especially after watching this:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=yPfCoHErp1c

but they are promising to improve it a lot, so I'm being optimistic.

[nicocrank]

Please tell me this, if u love simulation racing games then why would u not want damage and cockpit views, it's proper sim racing, cheez even Colin Mcrae2 had it for gods sakes... i find that


Like you said , proper sim racing should !! Even international rally championship , had cockpit view. it really gives you the feeling your a racecar driver !!

But for Forzas and GranTurismos and Enthusia , as they are Driving simulations , implied driving , ( car feel , track feedback , and precise OEM modeling data and mechanical specs, ) multiplied by 600x , with oh so accurate real track layout, ) , Heavy data, if because they have to put cocpit view , i am sure its a 100 car less , in gamedealers and used car

.
hood cam is best for console , is just perfect i can settle with that , but a view steer point would be nice




And for those who as ever really , really played gran turismos , will , ackknowledge this :
'' the feeling you have playing this game , being in the polyphony world , all the game sounds , the songs , the cash going up or down , the background ambient music, joyfull at times and peacefull and relaxing at other timesl , never agressif , never implying stress on the driver, when at home ! ok well ) racing sims just dont cut it for me , )

Road&track more then racequeens , on trailer

[nicocrank]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjan7JeBtWo

check this one if you liked GT , Enthusia is really the best , its a Fusion between GT and Forza

[Kongo]

I am personally more worried about physics (I actually never played Gran Turismo before, but this version has my interest), especially after watching this:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=yPfCoHErp1c

but they are promising to improve it a lot, so I'm being optimistic.

They will be arcade of course. Every game like this promises "realistic handling" but then again, GT2 was sposed to do this over the original so.....arcade / semi-arcade handling it is.

Dudes it wont be sim, cause everyone loved GT games and if it was a sim, sales wouldn't be as good as Chavs and whatnot round here couldn't handle em so they would jus get pee'd off and sell it. :)
Nor could my dad in fact...or my friends...yep sales would plummet and Sony is not about the love of games but money, PS3 price proves that. :yes:

[Ahriman4891]

^LOL that's true. They could have several modes, of course (arcade, amateur sim, expert sim) but then again, every n00b would go straight to expert sim and then be pissed off :D

[Kongo]

^LOL that's true. They could have several modes, of course (arcade, amateur sim, expert sim) but then again, every n00b would go straight to expert sim and then be pissed off :D

A good thing they could do yes, but your right on that hardest mode LOL! And plus it'd take more time / money.
I too would like real physics but again, I'm a gamer too and if it's semi-arcade, so be it I'll love it. :):up:
Besides, GT games are not sims...they are car porn!!! :OMG::roflmao:

[Ahriman4891]

Apparently they are doing what I suggested :D

With GT5 Prologue comes the addition of the professional physics mode, the most accurate simulation from PD to date. Hardcore fans of the series can now be fully satisfied with a driving experience that parallels real life. To keep Gran Turismo open to everyone, a more forgiving standard mode has also been included allowing the casual player to enjoy all that GT has to offer.

More info here:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=191221

[Kongo]

Apparently they are doing what I suggested :D



More info here:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=191221

Still be arcade, guarentee.
TDU also offered this "Sim difficulty option" feature...it sucks...But whatever physics, I'll enjoy it jus to have nice cars in my garage. :D

[Pierre61]

"Hardcore fans of the series can now be fully satisfied with a driving experience that parallels real life."
Hehe.. I remember buying 'Star Wars' for ZX81 with some similar hyperbole on the cassette case... that turned out to be a series of black blocks in the shape of gates, I suspect that 'professional physics mode' has the potential to be equally as unfulfilling :)

.. I'm turning into an old git... help!

[Ahriman4891]

For what it's worth, people who enabled the "professional" physics mode on various game exhibitions report a noticeable difference. But yeah, physics is probably not the main selling point of GT.

[Kongo]

For what it's worth, people who enabled the "professional" physics mode on various game exhibitions report a noticeable difference. But yeah, physics is probably not the main selling point of GT.

Exactly. I jus know people will moan about it not being "Realistic" tho. For me, there comes a time when you DON'T want games realistic for the simple fact that they are games for fun.:)

[epicname]

im a die hard gran turismo fan, i think the physics r close to real life. if u play with a dfp or g25 its an amazing game. i have strayed on to gtl and gpl for now until gt5 comes out. all im worried about with gt5 and prologue is that the g25 has full support and strong ff as the ff in gthd is LAME. i did hear a rumour that ff wasnt in gt5p??? anyone got any clues.

i dont think i could cope if u cant play gt5p with a wheel, its the only reason i bought a ps3!

[freejrs]

i have been a GT fan from the very first installment. it is the reason i now have a bad boy PC and a G25. i originally bought my G25 for gran turismo and realised that i wasnt getting my moneys worth so i sold my Wii and saved up for a reasobably decent pc. now i could never go back!! but im just wondering will GT5 be as/or more realistic than gtr2, as what matters the most to me is realism. if it is more realistic then i would have to get a ps3 just for this. but then there is gtr3.............:confused::crazy::drink:

[epicname]

same here but my pc is only ok. think im gonna wait till gt5p is out, give it a go. if its not up to scratch then :wave:ps3 and put the cash towards a simcon motion:up::up::roflmao::drive2::clap::party:

[freejrs]

simcon motion? is that one of those crazy seats that moves? they are real expensive are they not. i really want gt5 to be good but iv got this feeling its gona be poor. i mean the cars look awesome but the tracks look the same as they did in gt4. they should spend less time on making the cars super real and more on the game as a whole. but some people just want car porn.

[Kongo]

As I said, it'll be semi-arcade as it always has, bet my bottom pound. :yes::D
But I'll still buy it, and I bet you all will too.

[epicname]

As I said, it'll be semi-arcade as it always has, bet my bottom pound. :yes::D
But I'll still buy it, and I bet you all will too.

come on semi-sim...the glass is half full not half empty:zen:

[Kongo]

come on semi-sim...the glass is half full not half empty:zen:

LOL!

Pesimistic or Optimistic? :zen:

[The Muts Nuts]

Optimistic. Every GT has got better, keep the faith.

[scrumpy_j]

Anyone like to share there thoughts on this

http://www.gran-turismo.com/en/gt5p/news/d1345.html

To me this means there should be a Demo of GT5 Prologue..:confused:

Might be pickin it up wrong.....woudn't be the first time...

Runnin out of nails waiting for this boody game demo or whatever they decide to give us

[heez]

there already is a demo but this sounds different.

Btw the Top Gear Test Track is gonna be in GT5 :D:D:D:D
sorry its just so exciting!

[scrumpy_j]

yeh ther is a demo already which i have, but it was an HD demo not a prologue Demo....as stated and as i took from the site

Biggest sim ever, input plz:p

[racing_eagle_94]

I hope someone can make/convert the Top Gear track from this

[Ahriman4891]

^ Don't get your hopes up. Unless someone builds one from scratch, and just uses the GT5 track to check for errors.

[Revvin]

I played the demo today on a mates PS3 and I have to say as a 360 owner it was very nice indeed. Shame about the lack of a damage model but the cockpit were very nicely done and overall visually very nice. The cars handled nicely too.

[rookiedaz]

Biggest sim ever, input plz:p

My input is, is that it is not a sim!!!

[Kongo]

I played the demo today on a mates PS3 and I have to say as a 360 owner it was very nice indeed. Shame about the lack of a damage model but the cockpit were very nicely done and overall visually very nice. The cars handled nicely too.

Yup. There never will be any damage tho as you are sposed to "drive the car of your dreams" and so, ever since pre-GT3 release, they stated damage will never be in a GT game. :)

[vrmx]

Every time a new GT-game is coming some individuals go on about the damage etc... Guess they're just a bunch of wreckers :P.

But as some car manufacturers don't want their cars smashed in a game why should the others then.

I have to agree though that mechanical damage would be good.

[Revvin]

Yup. There never will be any damage tho as you are sposed to "drive the car of your dreams" and so, ever since pre-GT3 release, they stated damage will never be in a GT game. :)

If it was just about driving the car of your dreams whyadd the tuning options, put race tracks in? just have a game where you walk into a virtual dealship and take the usual test drive down a straight piece of road. I have heard a rumour that damage may be in the game though.

Every time a new GT-game is coming some individuals go on about the damage etc... Guess they're just a bunch of wreckers :P.

But as some car manufacturers don't want their cars smashed in a game why should the others then.

I have to agree though that mechanical damage would be good.

Well I'm certainly not a wrecker but car damage does have a place in a racing sim, damage in most racing games affects performance which has an obvious effect on the outcome of the race and does foster so essence of responsibility in the racer to not only avoid other racers but to actually stay on the track, with no damage model why not just use the crash barriers as brakes like in an arcade racer? As far as the comment on manufacturers not wanting their cars damaged I don't believe that to be true at all not when you look at the ammount of car manufacturers in the Project Gotham or Forza Motorsport series - both games allowing very visible damage.

[Kongo]

If it was just about driving the car of your dreams whyadd the tuning options, put race tracks in? just have a game where you walk into a virtual dealship and take the usual test drive down a straight piece of road. I have heard a rumour that damage may be in the game though.


Cause when GT1 came out it was on the Playstation and a game like Test Drive was out of the question. It is and always has been about driving the car of your dreams. The tuning and racing is what you'd wanna do in one too. Hence, no damage.
There will be no damage either I can tell ye that. :yes: :)

Why if it was jus racing would you wanna clean your car? Pimp up the rims?
Exactly.
And in the original ones, you DID buy cars from showrooms. :)

[Revvin]

The tuning and racing is what you'd wanna do in one too. Hence, no damage.


That makes no sense :confused: No damage may have been because of a limitation of hardware back then perhaps but there is no excuse in this generation of consoles.

Aside from that though the online features look good: http://onaxis.blogspot.com/2007/10/gran-turismo-5-online-features.html

[Kongo]

No damage may have been because of a limitation of hardware back then perhaps but there is no excuse in this generation of consoles.]

You obviously never played Driver then. :)
Many a wreckage there...

[Revvin]

Driver could afford to have damage when it lacked realistic handling much like GeneRally (http://generally.rscsites.org/) ;)

[Kongo]

Driver could afford to have damage when it lacked realistic handling much like GeneRally (http://generally.rscsites.org/) ;)

But so did GT1. In fact, Drivers handling wasn't that bad with it being slow and sloppy, a trademark of Tanners car.

LOl Tanner......he is no more...or is he?
"Tanner lives" says some graffiti in Driver: Parallel Lines. A clue?
personally, TK rocked more. :yes:

[Revvin]

But so did GT1. In fact, Drivers handling wasn't that bad with it being slow and sloppy, a trademark of Tanners car.


GT1 had more cars to model and IMO made a better attempt at realistic handling than the arcade Driver which came out a few years after GT1

[scrumpy_j]

Getting back to GT5 topic, There is an incar View and it's pretty nice.. No damage!, The Demo of Prologue Doesnt.. but they have already stated that the downloadable version of Prologue won't have damage or will have limited damage but the DVD/BlueRay Version WILL......and the G25 will work with GT5, no clutch on the Prologue DEMO but lets just hope it will with Prologue and the Full Game....

I was quoted as calling GT5 a Sim. well i'll take that back after playing it. I've always thought of the GT series as simulation.... Until a few years back. PC sims have taken sims to a new level, simple

[Wee Scot]

Just bought a PS3, and my new Panasonic 42" 1080 plasma will be delivered Wednesday!:woohoo: :clap: :elephant: :banana: :bounce:

(My old Daewoo 42" EDTV plasma that served us so well for two years gave up the ghost 6 months ago and nobody can repair it. The good news is that--after this 6 month deprivation and watching television on our old 25" TV--I was able to persuade my wife that it was time to step up to true 1080 HD!) :D

Do I understand correctly that I can use a G25 with the PS3? Was this good information?

http://www.nogripracing.com/forum/showpost.php?p=124959&postcount=28

Also, what is the best way to connect my PC to the Panasonic, S Video? REALLY looking forward to seeing what the ISI toys look like on a 42" on Wednesday... :)

When is GT5 projected for US release???

[epicname]

so does that mean the 6 speed shifter works in the demo of prologue? ive just sold my ps3 after only buying it for gt. just hope i aint missing anything. im now a converted gtr2 and gtl player now anyway. i just coulndnt be bothered waiting for pd to get their finger out.. oh well.

[hardjack79]

@ Wee Scot I would think the 'best' way to connect would be through some special video hardware -- maybe decent video cards have a component output or even HDMI these days. I just have a laptop with S-video and was pretty disappointed by the quality of the image on the big 1080i screen at my inlaws. Was limited to outputting in 4:3 at about 1024x768 (I think) and the image was pretty blurry compared to my computer screen. Don't mean to bring you down, but you should definately lower your expectations of S-video to HDTV.

Re GT5 They did incorporate a kind of damage in GT2 -- which no-one really used because it was crap -- which affected the performance of the car to some extent but didn't change the appearance. Kazunori Yamauchi said prior to GT3 A-spec that they had removed the damage model because it wasn't a good implementation, and they hoped to develop a better damage model for future games. I also remember that there was some issues with not all manufacturers wanting to have their cars beat-up in game, and so clearly that meant none of the cars could be. This was an issue early on: GT2 GT3 I believe, but I am sure that I read an interview a couple of years ago where Kazunori stated that the manufacturers had come around and he had got agreement that the cars could be damaged. I'm also pretty sure that I heard around the same time that they planned on putting damage into this iteration of GT, but until I see some screen shots I won't hold my breath.

My opinion on the whole thing is that Polyphony don't want to release anything that isn't 100% right, that could mess with their reputation. Whether you like them or not, the GT games are incredible quality productions, almost completely bug free, and they tend to have a certain polish that puts them a level above most other games for P/S. I suspect that if the damage model is less than perfect then they'll leave it out. You can see from the incar shots that when they decide to do something, they tend to try and do it the best.

So fingers crossed for damage, and fingers crossed for some more spacially aware AI this time round. I mean, we've only been waiting for 10 years now.

[Wee Scot]

@ Wee Scot I would think the 'best' way to connect would be through some special video hardware -- maybe decent video cards have a component output or even HDMI these days. I just have a laptop with S-video and was pretty disappointed by the quality of the image on the big 1080i screen at my inlaws. Was limited to outputting in 4:3 at about 1024x768 (I think) and the image was pretty blurry compared to my computer screen. Don't mean to bring you down, but you should definately lower your expectations of S-video to HDTV.



Thanks VERY MUCH for relating your disappointed experience with S Video! The guy at Best Buy suggested using S Video when I asked him about why the Panasonic didn't have a dedicated PC input. Now, I suppose an S Video connection might be better than using a standard PC monitor cable, but I'll have to check to see whether or not my top line (at least, 2 years ago, when I paid Dell another $600 for the upgrade...) NVidia GeForce card has something better -- hopefully an HDMI jack!

[Revvin]

I also remember that there was some issues with not all manufacturers wanting to have their cars beat-up in game, and so clearly that meant none of the cars could be. This was an issue early on: GT2 GT3 I believe, but I am sure that I read an interview a couple of years ago where Kazunori stated that the manufacturers had come around and he had got agreement that the cars could be damaged.

I think that is correct now if you look at other games like Forza Motorsport, Project Gotham Racing, Need For Speed series etc. I was quite impressed with the cockpit view so if they added a damage model that affected the performance of the car it would be quite something.

[Kongo]

so does that mean the 6 speed shifter works

*tut* now jus how are ye sposed to use the 9 speed Nike car with that? :hehehe:

[Revvin]

Traded in my XBOX 360 for a 60GB PS3 today, felt like a change of format so I'll be keeping a keen eye on GT5 progress in future :up:

[Wee Scot]

Traded in my XBOX 360 for a 60GB PS3 today, felt like a change of format so I'll be keeping a keen eye on GT5 progress in future :up:

That's the one I got, too, Revvin. $499 and they threw in a second controller. Plus I get to pick 5 free Blue-Ray DVDs (from a limited selection).

Do you know whether I'll be able to use a G25?

[Revvin]

That's the one I got, too, Revvin. $499 and they threw in a second controller. Plus I get to pick 5 free Blue-Ray DVDs (from a limited selection).

Do you know whether I'll be able to use a G25?

All the reviews I've read say you can though the clutch pedal does not work at the moment but people keep saying its planned for the final release. As I only got my PS3 today I'm stil ldownloading demo's, updates for games etc. I have downloaded the Gran Turismo HD game off the PS Store but I've not setup a Japanese account yet to download the GT5 Prologue demo. If you want to try downloading the demo yourself be warned unless you know Japanese you'll want to take a look at this step by step guide (http://www.japanesepsn.com/)to navigating the sign-up process :) Its easy enough if you follow the steps, a friend has already done it on his PS3. When I get some time I'll try setting my G25 wheel up too.

[Wee Scot]

All the reviews I've read say you can though the clutch pedal does not work at the moment but people keep saying its planned for the final release. As I only got my PS3 today I'm stil ldownloading demo's, updates for games etc. I have downloaded the Gran Turismo HD game off the PS Store but I've not setup a Japanese account yet to download the GT5 Prologue demo. If you want to try downloading the demo yourself be warned unless you know Japanese you'll want to take a look at this step by step guide (http://www.japanesepsn.com/)to navigating the sign-up process :) Its easy enough if you follow the steps, a friend has already done it on his PS3. When I get some time I'll try setting my G25 wheel up too.

@Revvin: Thanks for the dialog! I can see already you're going to be an indispensable PS3 advisor... :D

I'll have to get the Gran Turismo HD game (is that an enhancement of GT4 or an early working version of GT5?). And thanks for the warning. The only foreign language I can navigate is German!

@hardjack79: I did the research on my video card and here's what I've discovered. My NVidia GeForce 7800 GTX (256MB) has 2 DVI outputs (DVO ports) and an S Video output. Now DVI is "old" technology, replaced by HDMI. But the Wikipedia writeup on HDMI offered these reassuring sentences:

HDMI is backward-compatible with the single-link Digital Visual Interface carrying digital video (DVI-D or DVI-I, but not DVI-A) used on modern computer monitors and graphics cards. This means that a DVI-D source can drive an HDMI monitor, or vice versa, by means of a suitable adapter or cable.

DVI-to-HDMI adapter cables can be had for as little as $20 (10 feet), so it looks like I'll be in business after all! BTW, the website I found selling adapter cables, www.svideo.com, also offered this assessment:

Stay away from cables with fancy names and scary prices from companies that claim alternative physics just to send a signal from one end to the other. Unless, of course, you want to look like The Naked Emperor.

Note: Gold plating adds nothing to the performance of the cable; it's just a 2 cent job to dupe the retail customer and to charge from $20 to $100 more.

This duped retail customer (Naked Emperor Wee Scot) is going to return the $130 8-foot Ultra 800 Monster Cable that slick young man at Best Buy assured me was the "best value," and do what I should have done in the first place: ask Charlie, my neighbor who installs government high end AV systems for a living, to recommend some cables... :o

[hardjack79]

@ Wee Scot Yeah, if you've got a DVI out then that is definitely the way to go. The coarse analog signal piped out by the s-video is never going to satisfy anyone with a TV made this century. Good luck with getting it set up and let us know how it looks. :)

And back on topic: So GT5 is scheduled for 2008 (lets assume late 2008 if not 2009) so what do you think PS3s will be going for by then? I'm assuming there is going to be no compelling reason for a GTL/GTR2-content race sim fan to get a PS3 before then?

[scrumpy_j]

I hope the guy u bought ur tele from has givin u the right info on ur True HD. I bought a Pioneer PDP 427XD a while back for £1400 + another £150 for the swivle mount with the info that it ran 1080P, only to find out that it runs 1080P @ 20fps or MHZ and not 60 FPS / MHZ like the PS3 and 360 needs. Man was i Pissed........i read recentlt that there are very few tele;s that acctually run TRUE 1080P and those beasts will cost in the region of £5000.........so ive been told...........Anyways if it is True m8 let us know if it's much better than 1080i

[vrmx]

But please keep this thread in GT5P...

[Wee Scot]

I hope the guy u bought ur tele from has givin u the right info on ur True HD. I bought a Pioneer PDP 427XD a while back for £1400 + another £150 for the swivle mount with the info that it ran 1080P, only to find out that it runs 1080P @ 20fps or MHZ and not 60 FPS / MHZ like the PS3 and 360 needs. Man was i Pissed........i read recentlt that there are very few tele;s that acctually run TRUE 1080P and those beasts will cost in the region of £5000.........so ive been told...........Anyways if it is True m8 let us know if it's much better than 1080i

Well, this is Panasonic's latest, the TH-42PZ77U, just released in September. It represents a price reduction of $200 list ($1,799 vs. $1,999) from the TH-42PZ700U that came out in July to rave reviews (Consumer Reports rated it best picture ever...), and the 77U has a better contrast ratio (10,000-1 vs. 5,000-1), thanks to an anti-glare filter. Best Buy is selling it right now for $1,499.

...and that's all I'm going to write about HDTV technology, at least until I can report on how awesome it looks playing PS3 games... :D

BTW, I didn't get the PS3 just in anticipation of GT5. My son and I will probably be playing Madden 08 all day Saturday (while my wife wanders around the house mumbling about the "useless men" in her life...) :roflmao:

[Revvin]

BTW, I didn't get the PS3 just in anticipation of GT5. My son and I will probably be playing Madden 08 all day Saturday (while my wife wanders around the house mumbling about the "useless men" in her life...) :roflmao:

Me neither I bought my first proper console since the SNES (the original XBOX) for sports games and arcade racers though on my Xbox 360 I had quite a few FPS games in the end :)

Regarding GT:HD, the more experienced PS users will no doubt be able to correct me here if I'm wrong but its basically just a demo for the PS3 based on GT4 with high def graphics? the GT5 Prologue demo is what you really want to be downloading as that gives you a taste of whats to come in GT5 which is due around sometime October 2008 (at least most internet rumours have it as that) I tried the GT5 Prologue demo on a mates PS3 after setting up a Japanese PS Network accoutn and I fully intend on doing so on my machine now but you better be quick as I think its only available for download until Nov 11th.

[Wee Scot]

the GT5 Prologue demo is what you really want to be downloading as that gives you a taste of whats to come in GT5 which is due around sometime October 2008 (at least most internet rumours have it as that) I tried the GT5 Prologue demo on a mates PS3 after setting up a Japanese PS Network accoutn and I fully intend on doing so on my machine now but you better be quick as I think its only available for download until Nov 11th.

Thanks for that heads up!

[Revvin]

I setup my Japanese account today, downloading the prologue demo now...30% so far :D

[ZeZeZoom]

Revvin,
Thank you so much for the very useful step by step guide you provided us with.
I bought my PS3 today (quite hard to find a 60Gb here in Portugal these days!!!) and after starting up the device and creating a 'normal' account I immediately created a japanese acount following the guidelines. I was in a hurry since you made us aware that the GT5 Prologue Demo would be available only until 11th November!
I believe I am downloading the Demo as I write this post. I say I believe because the lights of my router are blinking (although no light is blinking in my PS3); as a matter of fact I was silly enough to instruct the device to execute the download in 'second plan', so now I have no idea of how many Mb are left from the @750Mb of the file.
I also have no idea as to how to leave the japanese store or if the download would be interrupted should I leave the store now (this shouldn't happen, but I am doubtful).
Apart from my complete lack of Japanese knowledge, I am also a noob when it comes to use the PS3, as I am not used to use consoles (I bought it for my kids, it will be their Xmas gift and I am trying to download the demo before their arrival from school so that I may hide the device until the 25Th December!).
Sounds like I am not going to be able to keep it hidden from them...

[Revvin]

Glad to help ZeZeZoom, you can exit the store and leave the demo download in the background. I went and played Motorstorm and left it downloading in the background, you'll get a small pop up appear in game in the top right of the screen to say the download was completed successfully. I installed the demo whilst on my Japanese user account but you can play the demo from your usual user account once you've installed it so you could delete the Japanese one if you so wished once the GT5 demo is done.

BTW the v2.00 firware is out tommorow apparently, still no in game XMB access but they have included custom music/picture playlists, XMB customisations and remote starting from your PSP, I just wish they'd develop it furhter so I could play GT5 Prologue anywhere. In the picture attached I'm navigating my PS3's menu from my PSP and you can see I'm in the games menu with the GT5 demo highlighted. In the picture I am connected by local WiFi but I can also connect to my PS3 via a net connection. The only game that supports the remote play feature as yet is 'Lair' but hopefully this can be a feature Sony exploits to its fullest as it would really be a trump card to be able to play PS3 games anywhere in the world.

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[ZeZeZoom]

Revvin,
Thank you for your prompt reply. I left the store and notice (only now) that there is a 'Download Management' (this is what I believe it should be named in English) feature and verified that the download is 45% now. No way I will be able to complete it and hide the PS3 before my children arrive.
On another matter: I look forward to follow any explanations that may be added to the thread on setting up the G25, as I (proudly) own one.
Cheers,
ZeZeZoom

[vrmx]

On another matter: I look forward to follow any explanations that may be added to the thread on setting up the G25, as I (proudly) own one.

Plug it to the usb on PS3 and that's about it :P.

[ZeZeZoom]

OK, good to know that. No clutch, though, if I correctly understood the posts on this issue.
65% download now... yet they will arrive in 5 minutes!
Cheers,
ZeZeZoom

[epicname]

gt5 demo, is it :up: or :down: bet its good, maybe regreting selling my ps3 now....:(

[ZeZeZoom]

gt5 demo, is it :up: or :down: bet its good, maybe regreting selling my ps3 now....:(

Can't tell you.
I finished the GT5 Prologue Demo and I also downloaded GT HD, then I disconnected the console and packed it again (it is supposed to be a Xmas gift to my sons but I don't know how much time it will remain packed:D).
So, I didn't even install the games files; I mean, I don't even know where to look for them and what to do with them, I just know they must be there, somewhere:roflmao:).
Cheers,
ZeZeZoom

[Revvin]

gt5 demo, is it :up: or :down: bet its good, maybe regreting selling my ps3 now....:(

I think its very nice, the demo lacks damage but the full version may have it. Handling wise its very nice and you get a good feeling of inertia as you throw these saloon cars around the track.

[Revvin]

Can't tell you.
I finished the GT5 Prologue Demo and I also downloaded GT HD, then I disconnected the console and packed it again (it is supposed to be a Xmas gift to my sons but I don't know how much time it will remain packed:D).
So, I didn't even install the games files; I mean, I don't even know where to look for them and what to do with them, I just know they must be there, somewhere:roflmao:).
Cheers,
ZeZeZoom

When you next start up the PS3 (on Christmas day of course, I mean you wouldn't want to spoil the surprise would you? ;) ) when you go to the games menu you'll see two small transparent 'capsules' with a small logo of the game on them, you just highlight them and click the X button to install them its as easy as that.

[Wee Scot]

OK! Tonight when I get home I'm going to finally figure out how to download the GT5 Prologue demo to my PS3.

I printed the step-by-step guide from the link you provided (http://www.japanesepsn.com/), but since I haven't even tried using the PS3 yet, I have a basic question: Step 1 of the guide reads

"1. You will need to log into a previous User ID (not the online account) and create a new User ID."

How do I get to this first screen shown in the guide? Is it the basic account set up screen, the first one you come to when you choose "Account Setup" from the menu of options on the PS3, or something? Please clarify this, since I won't have time to screw up if I'm going to get this demo before it goes away after Nov. 11!

Thanks!

[Revvin]

When you start up your PS3 go to the far left menu to setup a new user, sign out your existing user and create one that will be used to create a Japanese PS Network account call it say "Wee Scot JPN" so you know which one it is. Then go back to the menu on the right of the XMB to log into the store and you can start that guide I linked to that you printed outto make the Japanese PS Network ID.

[epicname]

I think its very nice, the demo lacks damage but the full version may have it. Handling wise its very nice and you get a good feeling of inertia as you throw these saloon cars around the track.

gutted:(:cry:

[Revvin]

Not sure what there is to be gutted about, as an early demo of a demo of a game not due for release until well into next year its looking pretty good.

[ZeZeZoom]

When you next start up the PS3 (on Christmas day of course, I mean you wouldn't want to spoil the surprise would you? ;) ) when you go to the games menu you'll see two small transparent 'capsules' with a small logo of the game on them, you just highlight them and click the X button to install them its as easy as that.

Thank you very much for your assistance, Revvin.
The console is no longer a surprise to my kids, as they saw it already.
Now, the 3 of us are just counting the days until Xmas..., as they keep asking me to let them use it and I am doing my best to resist:roflmao:. Cheers,
ZeZeZoom

[Revvin]

Thank you very much for your assistance, Revvin.
The console is no longer a surprise to my kids, as they saw it already.
Now, the 3 of us are just counting the days until Xmas..., as they keep asking me to let them use it and I am doing my best to resist:roflmao:. Cheers,
ZeZeZoom

Its an expensive gift so it will be all the more appreciated when they get to play it on Christmas day...after you've finished playing on it :D Did you buy it as a bundle with games? or are you planning to buy a few? Motorstorm (http://www.motorstorm.com/) is a fun off-road racing game, totally arcade but rip-roaring fun racing around dirt tracks and cliff edges in an array of rally cars, off road bikes, buggies, trucks etc. Different vehicles have their own strengths and weaknesses, it has a real thumping rock soundtrack, impressive graphics and really good fun online too. At the moment I'm really enjoying Call of Duty 4 which I am mainly playing online. I don't have many games at the moment so maybe the other PS3 users can recommend some but I also have Resistance: Fall of Man which has a nice single player story and online play and I bought Tekken 5: Dark Ressurection off of the Playstation Store which I got a little cheaper than the current £14.99 because I bought the first part without multiplayer before they released the add-on so it worked out cheaper but even at £14.99 I can't really fault it and it may be fun for you and your boys to fight each other - virtually of course :) It also has a decent multiplayer mode where you join a lobby with say 4 player in it and you play winner stays on with the other players able to spectate before fighting the winner - reminiscent of my mispent youth in amusement arcade's playing games like Street Fighter - of course it was cheaper in those days :D

[Wee Scot]

When you start up your PS3 go to the far left menu to setup a new user, sign out your existing user and create one that will be used to create a Japanese PS Network account call it say "Wee Scot JPN" so you know which one it is. Then go back to the menu on the right of the XMB to log into the store and you can start that guide I linked to that you printed outto make the Japanese PS Network ID.

Just wanted to report that it all went smoothly and I've been enjoying the GT5 Prologue for the past two days. Haven't tried to use either my Logitech Red Momo or the Logitech Driving Force wheel I bought for the PS2, yet. Just been "driving" with the gamepad (which is VERY unsatisfactory), but the graphics are just amazing. Talk about total immersion... :eek:

Thanks again, Revvin and 'psgoddess' (whoever you are) for the clear instructions!

:up:

[Revvin]

Glad to hear you got it up and running Wee Scot, its worth the minor hassle of setting up a Japanese account even if it is a limited demo :up:

[Wee Scot]

This is probably not news to anyone else, but the Logitech Driving Force wheel/pedals I bought for the PS2 (not G25 quality, but decent enough...) appear to work perfectly with my PS3. At least, for the GT5 Prologue demo they work perfectly. The demo options menu includes it as one of their preset controller options. :)

[The Muts Nuts]

Does anyone have the GT5 prologue and if so how on earth did you get it?

[Revvin]

Go back a few pages, the demo for GT5 Prologue is on the Japanese PS Store as it was released to coincide with the Tokyo Motor Show but it may have been taken down now. Look for my link for a step by step guide to setting up a Japanese account.

[vrmx]

The Prologue demo was only available in november and can't be downloaded anymore.

On the other hand the Japanese version will be released on 12th of december so less than a week to go. Other areas are going to have to wait for their versions...

[hardjack79]

... and wait...