New WRC rally game coming

[henbrleape]

http://www.racedepartment.com/other-pc-racing-simulations/22444-world-rally-championship-game.html

Finally a new simulation rally game!

[Kazumi]

Finally a new (...) rally game!
:thumbup:

simulation
Guess we'll have to wait if it will be a "sim" ... But that sounds nice, especially if they can use the WRCs data for all tracks :thumbup:

[zud the spud]

It'll be pretty easy to make a wrc game for the 2009 season, they only need 2 car models :P

[btcckid]

It'll be pretty easy to make a wrc game for the 2009 season, they only need 2 car models :P

;-)

[Kazumi]

It's Black Bean :(

http://www.virtualr.net/new-world-rally-championship-title-announced/

[scca1981]

I was all for this game until I saw who is making it.

I mean come on... did anyone play Superstars V8? LMAO

With the simbin ties to FIA I was really hoping to see them venture into a rally game but oh well. Someday we'll have a modern realistic rally game :) For now back to the classics.

[Raikku]

Black Bean? Milestone?

...definitely one of the crappiest rally-Game ever.

[gavkiwi]

did i read this right, they have exclusive WRC rights now, hmmm, what about polyphony and their WRC cars in GT5. Wonder if this pertains to 2009 season, as it appears per the e3 video that GT5 has 2008 WRC cars, hmmmm

[Kazumi]

did i read this right, they have exclusive WRC rights now, hmmm, what about polyphony and their WRC cars in GT5. Wonder if this pertains to 2009 season, as it appears per the e3 video that GT5 has 2008 WRC cars, hmmmm
I think the difference is (exclusive) licence for a full WRC game and licence of WRC series' cars ;)

I think the 2009 cars (or just new skins ;) ) will be featured in GT5 as well, this year they mostly showed 2008 or older cars plus some new cars (370Z, SLS, the Ferrari 400-something)

[Empty Box]

did i read this right, they have exclusive WRC rights now, hmmm, what about polyphony and their WRC cars in GT5. Wonder if this pertains to 2009 season, as it appears per the e3 video that GT5 has 2008 WRC cars, hmmmm

Don't forget that GT2 had a boatload of Mercedes Benz CLK GTR preview material, but when the game arrived the car was no where to be found due to similar issues. Then again, I dont think those guys have near enough clout to make PD remove a bunch of cars.

[freejrs]

I was all for this game until I saw who is making it.

I mean come on... did anyone play Superstars V8? LMAO



I was unfortunate enough to play the demo and I hold no hope for this rally title.:thumbdown:

[KittX]

oh. Tho, if there're Black Bean/Milestone, they at least can create very beautiful tracks (i remember their evo gt here). But i'd rather wait for rf2 with improved dirt/gravel physics..
And then, am i the only one here who wants to try not only official wrc cars at stages? Here we have some 'local' rally championship where all suitable for rallying machines can participiate, and so i'd like to see in rally game aswell - to be able to try not only rally cars, but also some different on- and off-roadcars or 'semi-rally' cars on rally stages. Thats why i loved Rally Trophy so much, and thats one of reasons why i love rFactor now.

[guybo]

It'd be neat if they included some Group B models, some of the current regs models and somehow included models from the regs after the changes in the WRC next year.

Group B
WRC Spec
S2000 turbo

that'd be really nice!

[needforspeed]

I hope EA dont decide to make a rally game lol

[Roadhog]

Blackbean has one major issue, if hey release something and it's broken, it's going to stay that way. I am dying for a decent new Rally game, and Dirt 2 won't be it. Hopefully rF2 will allow for some great rally physics, only time will tell. Beyond that, there is nothing on the horizon. And KittX, if there was a way I could configure my wheel for Rally Trophy under Win 7, I'd be running the RT2 mod....

[MaddmattH]

Most of Black Beans previous games have been low budget projects, so they weren't much good. Hopefully this game is done properly on a decent budget, maybe we'll see something worthwhile.

They say it's two to three years away, so it seems like it's at least getting some decent development time.

[Kazumi]

Well in my opinion new WRC and F1 games can be good games. TBH Sony's WRC and F1 weren't that bad. But nothing to look forward on sim racing front unfortunately. I just hope they get wheel support, force feedback and tracks right. If they can't make if perfect make it good :thumbup:




Maybe SMS can get their hands on a sebastion loab license and make a rally sim...? :mrgreen:

[Namaraki Souske]

Let's hope they take a good, intense look at RBR and try to improve the graphics to top level. Then it could be good, but only then.

[mallyauto86]

let EA make a rally game what a laugh it would be . . maybe they could make a decent damage model like in Dirt2 for example sorry but the damage model is awsome in the codies titles you cant deny it . . .

[darock]

let EA make a rally game what a laugh it would be . . maybe they could make a decent damage model like in Dirt2 for example sorry but the damage model is awsome in the codies titles you cant deny it . . .

Heck, you can't deny that the stages and tracks are awesome too. The rally stages in Dirt2 really have very good, actually fairly excellent scenery. OK, some of them are not truly tracks that'd be included in real world rallies, but some are. (you get what you get, nowadays) And Dirt2 physics is pretty good too.

Now, it'd be nice if CM put out an add-on to D2 with rally stages that matched up with WRC venues. There would be monumental bitching, but it'd sell for sure.

[Gunja]

We could get lucky with this one (stranger things have happened).
I'll wait for my wheel to judge it.

Seems like the tracks will be accurate. http://www.virtualr.net/world-rally-championship-developer-interview-video/
Maybe we can gain if modders see this title as worth their time.

[Roadhog]

Heck, you can't deny that the stages and tracks are awesome too. The rally stages in Dirt2 really have very good, actually fairly excellent scenery. OK, some of them are not truly tracks that'd be included in real world rallies, but some are. (you get what you get, nowadays) And Dirt2 physics is pretty good too.

Now, it'd be nice if CM put out an add-on to D2 with rally stages that matched up with WRC venues. There would be monumental bitching, but it'd sell for sure.
I, like the rest will not be holding my breath on WRC 2010. Coutos for trying, but I wouldn't count on great physics.

In reply to darock:
I would be happy with D2 if they updated and brought in Sweden, Germany, Japan, and Finland in from CM05. They were a blast to drive, and what the hell, update and import the Australian tracks as well.

Still have no idea what Codie's intentions are with the downloadable content it checks for each time the game starts.

Hoggy

[zarker88]

Did codies do Cm05 with or without a FIA licence? If they need one to include anything WRC related, then BB have stuffed us.

Maybe that's why we only get LONDON as a venue in Dirt2 :(

[trotter2k]

I would rather have Black Bean make it then have a EA screw job ;)

[pitradio]

Did codies do Cm05 with or without a FIA licence? If they need one to include anything WRC related, then BB have stuffed us.

Maybe that's why we only get LONDON as a venue in Dirt2 :(

Codies was without FIA license. Only CMR1 had some driver licenses,

[pete007]

Guys, BB don´t have only the wrc license, they have full support from FIA wrc, modern tech like fully accurate sattelite data. the only issues i preddict are the physics engine, and old render technology (dx9) that will limite the driving and visual impact of a rally game. Bt still room for surprises from Milan

[ALEXZANDER]

It would be cool if where was a rally game where when you start you have a small amount of cash. and you buy a stock car, and set it up for rally, and rally it until it dies, and then buy/build another. it this game there is no wrc cars, it is al amateur rallying on beautiful courses with picturesque vistas it needs to have lots and lots of dust, i mean lots of dust and mud the like. the graphics need to be E-boner arousing. i think it would be cool. it should have cars that are no newer than 2000, ( cars that are cheap in real life and ones than are most likely to be used by amateur rallyers who are on a budget.)

[Rallyfan]

It would be cool if where was a rally game where when you start you have a small amount of cash. and you buy a stock car, and set it up for rally, and rally it until it dies, and then buy/build another.

Xpand Rally Xtreme is more-less like this. Not quite a sim, but fun for a while.

[Kazumi]

if it ends with cars to 2000 you won't get a Subaru bug-eye :thumbdown: :laugh:

[Kazumi]

Step into Milestone studios to discover some behind-the-scene information about the upcoming WRC official videogame.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EI9HF52LLk&feature=player_embedded

[Kazumi]

E3 teaser trailer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3Fr7BUCKRc&feature=player_embedded

[andrew84555]

Looks like its coming to pc. Trying not to get too excited, I love rallying and Dirt 2 wasn't focused enough for me.

Gameplay vid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If-6k5cdXSQ&feature=related

[Kazumi]

looks okay at 1:20 on gravel/sand.

tarmac looks weird than again look WRC they drive with like 10° input like touring cars on some stages and that's the fastest way in rallying too.

cockpit needs a bit more "depth" ...

[devil2k]

doesn't look like a sim at the moment...

[Uff]

New video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tr1YgswDBkU

Physic on low, aids on, no damages.

[themunster]

Looking more arcade than dirt2 at the moment. The way the car was handling in that vid looks just...basic if you know what I mean.

[Instructor]

finnaly wrc again !

this time im really hoping for realistic , or at least half-realistic physics , not simply hard physics and impossible tracks

[zud the spud]

I found this on the Gamespot site, might not be any more information but worth sharing I get.

http://e3.gamespot.com/story/6266803/wrc-hands-on

[tollo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjsHU3_2ejA

[TheMexican999]

one word PHISICS

[oldschool]

better word PHYSICS

[btcckid]

whats mr gronholm doing in the championship????????

[SukIS04]

When will there (ever) be a (PC) demo ?

Suggestion to BB :
-demo testing exclusive for nogrip'rs, testers have to register to dl "private" demo, then must provide feedback, improvmnt, suggestions etc to BB :-)

..guess that wont ever happen, game end up as just another arcade console convert :-( ?

guess we have to await Dirt3 for a possible RBR replacement.. ?

[guybo]

Guys, BB don´t have only the wrc license, they have full support from FIA wrc, modern tech like fully accurate sattelite data. the only issues i preddict are the physics engine, and old render technology (dx9) that will limite the driving and visual impact of a rally game. Bt still room for surprises from Milan

I hope it isn't a resources hog- my system is 3 years old so I hear DX9 and it makes me smile!! I have 2gb more RAM on order should be here tomorrow or next day (just in case I need the extra umph for the WRC game). That's quite and upgrade from RBR which was what... DX7?

[Pokkel121]

The way things are looking, we may never see a worthy replacement for RBR. I sincerely hope the new WRC by BB blows my socks off and proves me wrong...

[Roadhog]

Won't be expecting anything more than a clunky arcade game full of bugs coming from BlackBeanGames. If you have ever tried any of their titles, you'd know what I am talking about.

[guybo]

OK- real WRC stages are off. they are making stages in the "spirit" of the real WRC stages. Also off, being able to compare stages time live during a rally with the real WRC boys. No dynamic weather either- we are stuck with the weather they feed us for the rallies.

From Virtual R on a EuroGamer preview:
The article also touches on the much-discussed fact that the title won’t include any real WRC but shorter fictional tracks that have been modelled to reflect the atmosphere at the real rallies:

They mention that Finland has yumps. That's a revelation....

[guybo]

In March: http://www.skuggen.com/2010/03/black-bean-milestone-wrc-game-2010-latest-update-march-4/

The game will be fully iOpener enabled; a technology that will allow you to race against real drivers within the sim. The winner of the virtual game will also be given an official trophy from the FIA at the same time the real-life WRC champion is crowned. It has been confirmed the game will include all the cars and tracks from the 2010 season, and live on-board camera footage can/will be integrated into the live game-play experience.

In August: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/wrc-hands-on?page=2

So we analyse with deep research of the real location of the rally, go along the track and take photos to understand the characteristics of the ground, the vegetation, the landscape, what you can see from the road..." says Paglianti. "And then, when we have all these elements, we started to recreate based upon various stages. It's not exactly the same, but they have some links to the real ones. Also we put along the stages the typical elements, for example in Finland there's a very famous jump in the rally and we recreate the shape of that jump."

iOpener then, none now. Sort tracks. The title is being hurried.

[Kazumi]

i think they should try to add real tracks as (free!) DLC or in WRC 2012 or 2013. it's almost 2011 and we're stuck with fantasy tracks with flat and undeformable gravel surface like it's 2004 again, oh well :ohmy:

but seeing them working on their bike games and v8 over the last years this all takes time so they trying to focus on what's important for them and doable in the limited time i guess...

[NSRacer]

it sucks that they won't reproduce the real wrc stages but i'm still very excited, this game will be great. i also know that a lot of people will bang my head for what i'm going to say, but i really hope it won't have rbr physics because of 2 reasons :
1. i started rally school time ago and it's 10.000 times easier to drive in real life then in rbr
2. any gameplayer will enjoy the game and have fun instead of having a game in which is impossible for most of the people to drive in a straight line

[Altarir]

@NSRacer

Well, yeah, RBR has some weird phisics errors (i.e. low speed grip, the snow banks in FInland and the constantly disappearing head gasket - if it was that easy to break in real life, I'd go through a billion gaskets allready) but it is still the most realistic rally game we get. there is no competition for it. And I'd so much like to see WRC2010 have two modes: arcade for the casual player, and simulation for sim racers. A good, realistic (not "ultra low grip", just realistic- car slides as much as it would in real life) phisics model would be great. RBR is a great game, but it needs some kind of successor. I just hope this one lives up to my expectations.

[Kazumi]

it sucks that they won't reproduce the real wrc stages but i'm still very excited, this game will be great. i also know that a lot of people will bang my head for what i'm going to say, but i really hope it won't have rbr physics because of 2 reasons :
1. i started rally school time ago and it's 10.000 times easier to drive in real life then in rbr
2. any gameplayer will enjoy the game and have fun instead of having a game in which is impossible for most of the people to drive in a straight line
no. i enjoyed the WRC games on PS2 for example, physics aren't good compared to RBR but the game was (and still is) pretty for a PS2 era game http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0tMgJ-HUcY

1. yeah i dunno why they made these, they are more challenges then "driving school" . in my opinion the free driving in the first lesson should be more than enough to get a feel on the car. worrying with "do this in 10 seconds" or you fail the test in the first lessons is a bit harsh :ohmy:

WRC will have "Rally Academy" mode as well :thumbup:
2. :laugh:

[NSRacer]

yes, i know it will have a rally academy but RBR physics are too exaggerated...i also agree with Altarir and from what i remember the producers said the same thing : the game will have an arcade mod with driving aids and things like that and a simulation mod which is harder of course

[Tatino]

i also know that a lot of people will bang my head for what i'm going to say, but i really hope it won't have rbr physics because of 2 reasons :
1. i started rally school time ago and it's 10.000 times easier to drive in real life then in rbr
2. any gameplayer will enjoy the game and have fun instead of having a game in which is impossible for most of the people to drive in a straight line

No problem, everyone has his own tastes and expectations.

I prefer to drive a sim instead of a game (probably because I'm too old now for games :laugh:), even if I'm not a fast or skilled driver, but I can understand that most of the people simply want to have fun. So I respect them of course, but I will continue to prefer titles like Grand Prix Legends and Richard Burns Rally for example.
But RBR is not so difficult imho, I've completed rally school so far driving with keyboard without many troubles, except for a couple of lessons, so maybe depends on the right mental attitude and the way you approach it. That said, I think also that no one can drive fast in RBR without putting attention and diligence, and some mistakes are possible at almost every corner, as in real life stages.

Returning to the topic, certainly you will have a lot of fun with this new WRC title, because it don't have rbr physics, that's for sure.

[Headsoup]

Just got more interesting...

http://www.racesimcentral.com/news/2010/08/wrc-2010-exclusive-first-stage-of-career-mode-video/

[guybo]

that's not a real review video. The music masks the sounds and co-driver (which sounds like a robot) and the camera angles very subtely show what THEY want us to see, not a representation of the game. piss-poor video IMHO. I want to see actual gameplay, not a developer video.

Take this one with a grain of salt.

[Headsoup]

Did you read above the video, It was recorded by the guys from InsideSimRacing.tv, as they actually played the first stage and is the replay of it, so in-game footage. The cockpit graphics look pretty average but otherwise it seems to be shaping up ok. There was no developer input other than providing the preview copy of the game...

[NSRacer]

from what i saw, when reaching the water, no splashes on the windscreen...i'm won't we see rain and stuff in the game?

[guybo]

Did you read above the video, It was recorded by the guys from InsideSimRacing.tv, as they actually played the first stage and is the replay of it, so in-game footage. The cockpit graphics look pretty average but otherwise it seems to be shaping up ok. There was no developer input other than providing the preview copy of the game...

The stage was provided by the devs and was specially chosen. ISR aren't exactly unbiased reviewers either- consider your source. When a company puts out previews of a stage or whatever (in games) they carefully choose who gets to play it and what exactly they get to play. ISR accept ad money from the same companies they review products for. They also accept free equipment from companies they review hardware for. ISR reviews ARE NOT objective and unbiased.

Yes, I question the journalistic integrity of InsideSimRacing which is why I don't watch the show.

[Brainbug]

the "outside-view" and the car-behavior reminds me somehow RBR. hell, i pray this game will come close to RBR physics-wise.

check out, even when the driver sux imo:
WRC 2010: WRC Subaru @ Jordan- PreRelease Build (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JoipoBXHYQ&feature=player_embedded)

[btcckid]

that video looks alright actually

[Roadhog]

Well I hope for one, it gets better, and for too, limit in game play to Cockpit and Hood view and online, allow host to limit to one or the other. This driving from behind with an upper chase view is BS and for little kiddies. Fine for replays, but not for actual game play.

[andrew84555]

Anyone seen the new gameplay video on virtualr? It looks bad. Really bad. I laughed when I saw the stages were incredibly wide with bizarre walls on each side of the track, with no attempt made at all to give the impression of authenticity. It looks more like Sega rally than Richard Burns Rally.

Now looking forward to Dirt 3, as codies have promised a more pure rally game with less of the bling x games business than Dirt 2. Dirt has never been a sim but it was fun and Dirt 2 had some of the best handling in any arcade style game I have played. One bit did piss me off though, when you win the U.S X games you are crowned 'the greatest driver in the world'. While blokes like Ken Block and Tanner Foust are good and all, they are nothing compared to wrc boys like Loeb and Gronholm, who tend to show off a lot less.

[isamu]

Dirt has never been a sim but it was fun and Dirt 2 had some of the best handling in any arcade style game I have played.

I'm glad you brought this up, because I was going to ask you how dirt 2 compares to RSC2? Which game did you enjoy more? I'm a confessed RSC2 whore, and if my xbox wasn't broken I'd still be playing it today.

[andrew84555]

I'm glad you brought this up, because I was going to ask you how dirt 2 compares to RSC2? Which game did you enjoy more? I'm a confessed RSC2 whore, and if my xbox wasn't broken I'd still be playing it today.

RSC2 was great, prob my favorite game on xbox, sad I don't have it any more. Despite dirt 2's shiny graphics I think RSC2 is better, as it had so much more content. Dirt 2 is extremely polished but it has a chronic lack of depth. Its great fun while it lasts, but after you played it for a couple of hours you will have seen everything it has to offer.

[Kazumi]

demo release dates :!:

Black Bean Games officially announced today that the WRC Demo is now available for Xbox Live® Gold members, while Silver members and PC users will have to wait until September 24th. The Demo will be downloadable through Playstation® Network starting from September 29th.

[Roadhog]

A little off topic:

@ NSRacer, finally, someone else who sees RBR to be the farce I found it to be shortly after it's release date. But will add, to each their own.

This is a sample of what I have to drive on everyday just to get to work.
http://i817.photobucket.com/albums/zz99/The_Real_Roadhog/ThisRoadIsCrap.jpg
To the edge of this road is nothing but clay, covered with lose sand and stone, would rather drive on pure ice. All along the middle is nothing but pot holes and washboard. A few days before I had taken this pic, the road had shaken lose the harness that goes from my ECM to my tranny and allowed it to rest on my manifold... $2000 later, all is now fixed.

I have to drive these kinds of roads in all four seasons and for the record, we have already had snow fall. So when I hear someone say this game is arcade and that game is sim. First it's a game, second, there is no way for anyone behind a computer to feel the g's as you would if driving for real, I get awry. And RBR can set me off the fastest...

WRC from Blackbean, is really going to be a leap of faith brothers, will definitely download the demo, and then take it form there

Hoggy

[freejrs]

Played the demo yesterday. Massive disapointment.....full arcade.........poor damage.......poor co-driver...........horrid handling/physics.......PS2 spec graphics.

I will not be buying this game. Shame as I was really hoping it would be semi-decent.

[Hezemans]

Played the demo yesterday. Massive disapointment.....full arcade.........poor damage.......poor co-driver...........horrid handling/physics.......PS2 spec graphics.

I will not be buying this game. Shame as I was really hoping it would be semi-decent.

Shift is rebuild, so can this one, I hope!

[Kazumi]

you / we can only rebuild the handling and the damage while the physics engine is pretty much a given.

SBK (from milestone too) people although have tried to make braking and sound more real. i haven't tried this mod yet.

I have to drive these kinds of roads in all four seasons and for the record, we have already had snow fall. So when I hear someone say this game is arcade and that game is sim. First it's a game, second, there is no way for anyone behind a computer to feel the g's as you would if driving for real, I get awry. And RBR can set me off the fastest...
in RBR you can easily change the static and dynamic friction level for each the underlying surface and soil. there's little research done on that, and if, only at lawnmower manufactors. and surface by the way you can feel, although for example RBR only played one simple sound when you drive through gravel (that's not enough for audiolizing load, slip or g-forces of course) and there are also HUD mods that visualize g-force (in this mod g-force as x-axis movement point http://www.nogripracing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=214785 ) which of course is no replacement for real g-force feel but a nice tool :-)

[thewarmer]

Ho there will be Group B cars in there two.
Saw pictures on there web site.
Lets face it WRC in its current state of play is in a very poor state.
With only two makes of car they need to add something to draw people in.
JWRC & PWRC are little boring as most of us want the fastest cars.
PC Demo is out on 24th Sept but so then we can all see if its any good.

[Janis]

you / we can only rebuild the handling and the damage while the physics engine is pretty much a given.

SBK (from milestone too) people although have tried to make braking and sound more real. i haven't tried this mod yet.


in RBR you can easily change the static and dynamic friction level for each the underlying surface and soil. there's little research done on that, and if, only at lawnmower manufactors. and surface by the way you can feel, although for example RBR only played one simple sound when you drive through gravel (that's not enough for audiolizing load, slip or g-forces of course) and there are also HUD mods that visualize g-force (in this mod g-force as x-axis movement point http://www.nogripracing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=214785 ) which of course is no replacement for real g-force feel but a nice tool :-)


Spend all that time on grip when you have a arcade fixed axle. :?:

RBR has always been so-so but this heap of garbage is just a insult.

[Roadhog]

One bit did piss me off though, when you win the U.S X games you are crowned 'the greatest driver in the world'. While blokes like Ken Block and Tanner Foust are good and all, they are nothing compared to wrc boys like Loeb and Gronholm, who tend to show off a lot less.
Wow, how did I miss that. Totally agree Andrew. Showboating is one thing, winning a Rally is something completely different.

[Hezemans]

http://www.mudsnowandtar.com/video/video-wrc-2010-game-s2000-footage

video! nice game.

[shinsou]

Wow, how did I miss that. Totally agree Andrew. Showboating is one thing, winning a Rally is something completely different.

:thumbup: Yip - it's all about the showbiz today (cash in cash out) and that really turns me off.

[Hezemans]

Is that DEMO out yet, or not??????????;-(

[thewarmer]

No there is no Demo out yet being looking at there site on & off today.
have no idea what time fram they are working to .
Its almost mid day here in Europe still no PC demo.
Ho well will do somthing else instead.

[thewarmer]

Wow, how did I miss that. Totally agree Andrew. Showboating is one thing, winning a Rally is something completely different.

Think this unique to the US Mentality they have world championships for loads of stuff that they only take part in.

Plus if you have seen any WRC or Europeian rallycross this year you will have seen two Americans takeing part & not doing well.

Rallycross will be lauched in USA as Sport in the Fall Bet it will be more like Dirt 2 than Real Rally cross with Jumps & cross over bull shit.

In the USA its all about entertainment over content.

They do it well wont knock them for that they are good at it.

I like Europeian style racing my self.

[relicc]

Arrogant!!!

[Hezemans]

It seems the PC demo is outthere: http://www.wrcthegame.com/EN-us/

But how can I download??????

[IWE]

I can see the banner which says "WRC Demo - now available for Xbox Live members and PC!", but after clicking it there is just same old "Playable Demo of WRC the game, the official videogame of the 2010 FIA World Rally Championship is released soon" and no any links.. :laugh:

[shinsou]

I guess they've put friday out of their calendar. Maybe there's some hope for the coming week. :-P

[rasfigjohn]

Multiplayer.it seems to have the demo (945 Mb)... but the bandwidth is really bad now.
http://multiplayer.it/giochi/wrc_a-per-pc.html

[simracer]

Here is a much faster link:
http://www.fanbit.it/Demo-di-WRC-Fia-World-Rally-Championship-per-PC-disponibile/news/351.html

It's all a bit too arcadish for me, it's no RBR or even CMR2 that's for sure.
Worth trying the demo though.

Edit:
Having played it for a few hours now I think it could be a good game, the 2 stages in the demo are not easy and will take some practice to get a fast time, so could be challenging.
If you don't expect too much realism and just play for fun, it's not bad at all.
Pretty sure I'll buy it when it's released in a few weeks time anyway.

[rasfigjohn]

Did you manage to use your G25?

Edit: nevermind, found it.

[cmr2game]

here is a video from the WRC 2010 pc demo, my first run....gotta practice some more :D

video shows actual gameplay and the replay of it.

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Download Link: WRC 2010 PC Demo
http://www.fanbit.it/download/wrc2010_demo_setup.exe

[maeckie]

in the demo you can not use a wheel ! :thumbdown:

only keyboard and gamepad...:chair:

[rasfigjohn]

in the demo you can not use a wheel ! :thumbdown:

only keyboard and gamepad...:chair:

Actually you can... not sure it's worth it but you can.
In the control screen you have to select keyboard, it turns green, right arrow and then you can set up your wheel.

[Kazumi]

the good:
handling is solid in my opinion compared to the average rally game
ai times seem competitive, so season mode might be interesting and challenging
ford focus looks like a ford focus. same with the citroen except it looks like a citroen :thumbup:
the whole presentation, menu, hud seems quite okay. maybe the speed display is a bit too small and hard to see for some people and displays...
official WRC licence

the bad:
limited set-up, only one slider for suspension
gravel track is flat like a pancake. and wide.
hood view reflection disappears with motion blur switched off
graphics could be sharper

the ugly:
engine sounds like a hair dryer. transmission is too silent, gear shift sound too loud.


dunno:
damage. had only engine damaged but didn't notice drop of performance. as i said. dunno about that.
cockpit views. didn't really got into these and prefered the hood view. but usually i use cockpit view since GTR2 :-)


just my impression for demo ;-) . full game will be interesting for season mode, WRC licence and many rally cars and stages. i doubt they fix anything in physics or sound so enjoy it or leave it :thumbup: i'm not sure, will drive a bit more :drive:


by the way for modding people, aluigi's tool for SBK .mix file still work, but almost everything is in binary .bin or .bml

[Hezemans]

Ctd's, ctd's, no wheel option, so.............shit!!!

[shinsou]

I think it's okay! I'd get it as an alternative title to the Codemasters Dirt series because it looks to be more "serious".

The handling (sadly without a wheel, game doesn't notice my DFGT) is quite okay in my opinion but it cannot be compared to RBR as far as I'm able to judge it from my experience. Simply put, I wasn't able to do all these things you're teached at the RBR school (could be related to the limitations of a keyboard). Most of the times I was driving through the sections by cutting corners (gras and shrubs slow you down, hitting a tree will damage your car) or hitting the handbrake and accelerating out of the corners. But don't get me wrong, there're a lot of dangerous places and corners with individual characteristics (especially in Jordan - a lot of fun there). Also as it has been said before, the "AI" seems to be pretty challenging.

Graphics are quite nice though it looks a bit over the top at some places. While Jordan looks pretty nice at all (warm and sunny), Finland looks like you're driving through a "fairytale" world - I think the colors are "too rich". The cars do look good as well as taken damages do. The trackside objects however seems to be uneven in their quality, some of them are very well done, while others are pretty poor.

The fov varies, I prefer the cockpit view just above the wheel.

For now I'll stay with RBR and keep an eye out on the incoming reviews. :-)

cmr2game: You're playing on easy don't you? ;-)

[Hezemans]

Made an order for this, hope that one works OK? Price is ok, just 29,00euro's!!!

[thewarmer]

Sounds are realy bad you are not telling me they could not get proper car samples
I to had to use Keys for now its ok but can tell using keys.
Can not see much been fixed by the time it hits the shops.
maybe the Modders can turn this into a better game.

[kenpat]

Sounds are realy bad you are not telling me they could not get proper car samples
I to had to use Keys for now its ok but can tell using keys.
Can not see much been fixed by the time it hits the shops.
maybe the Modders can turn this into a better game.

Wheels works fine, the config for controls is on the main menu.
Not to bad so far.

[Roadhog]

Actually you can... not sure it's worth it but you can.
In the control screen you have to select keyboard, it turns green, right arrow and then you can set up your wheel.
So you are telling me that they don't properly support wheels. The final release of V8 Supercars did not have proper wheel support implementation and I would be willing to bet, neither will this... looking bad I'd say.

Wheels need to be fine tuned, dead zones, saturation, etc. Oh how I loathe the console and what it's BS conception has done to PC gaming.

[Roadhog]

Downloaded, installed, and I use a MOMO and I could not get the game to recognize my pedals. Picked up on the wheel for steering. They have provided support for tuning but I would be willing to bet it is more for a gamepad....

I knew I was expecting too much...

@ kenpat... and rasfigjohn
What do you guys use for a wheel. Without combined axis, I touch my accelerator and it scrolls the selection up and down, always returning to Wheel 1. With combined axis.. nothing

[Suby56]

I could not get my Fanatec wheel to work right. Once in the wheel config screen, when trying to assign anything, the menu stops working. Doesn't recognize any buttons, and up arrow to navigate menu stops working...

I uninstalled demo without even driving a car.

[MaxD]

@ kenpat... and rasfigjohn
What do you guys use for a wheel. Without combined axis, I touch my accelerator and it scrolls the selection up and down, always returning to Wheel 1. With combined axis.. nothing
You need to check in the "Allow Game to Adjust Settings" option in the Logitech profiler. With this setting, the game use my wheel in 180° rotation. This really annoying, but without this setting I can't use the pedals.

I have Driving force pro.

[kenpat]

Downloaded, installed, and I use a MOMO and I could not get the game to recognize my pedals. Picked up on the wheel for steering. They have provided support for tuning but I would be willing to bet it is more for a gamepad....

I knew I was expecting too much...

@ kenpat... and rasfigjohn
What do you guys use for a wheel. Without combined axis, I touch my accelerator and it scrolls the selection up and down, always returning to Wheel 1. With combined axis.. nothing

Got a G25, had no probs getting it to work straight out of the box. Just reconfigured to to how I like it (simple) then drove.

[Hezemans]

kenpat, if you will, please explain how you got your G25 (like mine) to work??
Thanks..........Hez.

[Roadhog]

will give that a shot MaxD...thanx

[Roadhog]

That did work, was able to drive, but not able to test my accelerator and brake, you know where.... Has promise, that's the Chrome engine is it not... has that Xpand Rally look almost

[Kazumi]

no but i hope they doing a new xpand rally with chrome engine 3 :-)

it's there own engine like SBK but i dunno why they made it so washed out. same dev, detail isn't so rich for a ~ 2006 game but all looks clean and sharp http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JK2ryYuzXC4


cmr2game: You're playing on easy don't you? ;-)
the ai times? dunno i lower them too because i lose so much time by missing some shifts and adjusting the sound level after the start "beep" :chair: (maybe i'm too depending on sound? :-P )

[zud the spud]

I tried out the demo earlier today with a gamepad and I wasn't feeling it. It's too hard to slide the car. Might be better with a wheel but from what I've heard it is not.

[Hezemans]

Aha, with my G25 working, this game is'nt bad atall, considering the price, I like it!!

[Kazumi]

I tried out the demo earlier today with a gamepad and I wasn't feeling it. It's too hard to slide the car. Might be better with a wheel but from what I've heard it is not.
well if you want more aggressive rear, lock the rear differential a bit more (slider to the right - not that there's much to overlook in the set-up menu ;-) )

[kenpat]

kenpat, if you will, please explain how you got your G25 (like mine) to work??
Thanks..........Hez.

After the main loading screen you can scroll with the arrow keys to the right where there's a set of cogs, hit enter then again to the right tp the keyboard. Right arraow key to bring up wheel you then can configure it to your own key preferences. The one thing I did notice was I had to change the accelerator pedal before I changed the brake. Make sure you save before going back.
Hope that helps.

[simracer]

Aha, with my G25 working, this game is'nt bad atall, considering the price, I like it!!

I've been playing it a lot today and it's definately growing on me, the handling seems a lot like Rally trophy, which was a great game in it's day.
My times are still way out, that's why I like it I think because it's far from easy getting a good stage time.

Pretty sure I'll buy it in a few weeks time when it's released.
:thumbup:

[kenpat]

I've been playing it a lot today and it's definately growing on me, the handling seems a lot like Rally trophy, which was a great game in it's day.
My times are still way out, that's why I like it I think because it's far from easy getting a good stage time.

Pretty sure I'll buy it in a few weeks time when it's released.
:thumbup:

Read Darin Gangis take on it at Race Sim Central. it kind of sums up how I feel about these games nowadays.
I'm heading toward more fun racing ie. pick up and play and this along with F1 2010 fits the bill.

[stewart read]

How the bloody hell do you get to the wheel config as the arrow keys only take you down the menu!! This must be the worst config screen I've ever seen. Madness

[Headsoup]

I couldn't get the arrow keys to go up either, till I pressed the accelerator... I have DFP and had logitech profiler running. Had to set up the profile for WRC to report combined pedals, then NOT allow the game to change settings so I could use more than 200º of steering. Worked, but felt like there was a dead zone in steering when I had the rotation set to 540º (I removed the dead zones in advanced settings).

[stewart read]

What ever I try I can't get to change the throttle and brake buttons for a G25. Who puts a rally demo out with messed up controls for a steering wheel. The one thing you need to drive the car!!!

[simracer]

What ever I try I can't get to change the throttle and brake buttons for a G25. Who puts a rally demo out with messed up controls for a steering wheel. The one thing you need to drive the car!!!

My G25 is working fine, although it took a while to figure out.
Do you get as far as getting this configuration screen up?

Where it says keyboard on the top row by default, you use the arrow keys to navigate there and press right arrow to get this wheel screen up. (If the arrow keys don't work use the POV thingy on the gearshift console)
If you try to reassign the brake pedal nothing happens, but assign the accelerator first and the brake does itself.
:thumbup:

[stewart read]

Thanks simracer I'll try it but I've tried a few times and I can't assign a new button as the enter key does nothing. Well nor does any other key for that matter! But I'll have another go anyway as I want to try the game

[simracer]

If the keys don't work then try the buttons on the gear console, I think you have to press the far right red one to exit the menu anyway lol.
The wheel configuration should be a lot easier though, I don't think they gave this much thought or tested it much by the looks of things.

[stewart read]

Yeah I tried all the buttons on the gear change as well but no joy. Does seem odd that the biggest selling wheel (I think) does work properly with the demo. A demo should be so you buy the product not pull ya bloody hair out trying to get it to work!! Argggh

[rafnix]

don't mind steward, controller configuration in BlackBean games is a long long story, I fear there has never be not one game from them that worked properly except xbox/usb...

[HoiHman]

I could not get my Fanatec wheel to work right. Once in the wheel config screen, when trying to assign anything, the menu stops working. Doesn't recognize any buttons, and up arrow to navigate menu stops working...

I uninstalled demo without even driving a car.

Same here. Pretty stupid since you can see the fanatec disclamer in the middle of the start up screen.

Too bad i was realy looking forward to this one

[TheMexican999]

you need to select combined axis from game controllers on the g25 then it is fine..
as for the demo... its hard which reminds me of RBR when i started playing that. no flat out pedal to the metal action. good car handaling all round def not dirt2 more RBR. The FFB needs work you dont feel the bumps on the road but not too bad. all in all the best proper rally game since...well you know.

[DJ24966]

DFP no dice, can't configure anything.... I hope they seriously don't think we will buy this crap.

[Hezemans]

Yeah I tried all the buttons on the gear change as well but no joy. Does seem odd that the biggest selling wheel (I think) does work properly with the demo. A demo should be so you buy the product not pull ya bloody hair out trying to get it to work!! Argggh

The problem with assign is that it does not show, but it works!!!!!!!!!!!!
I also tought it did not work, because you don't see it on the screen, but IT WORKS!!!!!!!!!!! So try one's more:-)

[Beaverz]

've tried the demo.
Good looking game, enjoy to drive but no road feel what so ever.
Maybe I expect more than this but anyway it's some kind of casual game that everyone can get in to it and drive.

[stewart read]

Ah thanks for that Hezemans. I'm at work at the mo but will try tonight.

[giaserg]

I don't manage in istalling the game, the pc is powerful enough, but I get this message, x3daudio1_7.ddl hasn't been found. A new installation could solve the probelem, but isn't true, I've tried to install several times, but nothing


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[Vange]

Reinstall directx 9.0c

[TheMexican999]

just finished a jordan stage with a 4.29 time. i am sweaty and smelly and my hands are shaking....epic...bring on the the 8th

[stewart read]

This is winding me up!! My bloody wheel just won't configure (G25) at all. I've even sent two mails to Black Bean but as yet no response. My wheel works on ever other game. Help someone!!!

[giaserg]

Thanks Vange, works great now !:clap:

[Hezemans]

Heeee anybody, what file can I upload which includes the wheel config??
Some people could use support!!!!!!!! Well????? Thanks.......Hez.

[simracer]

Theres a save file in here in windows 7 called savedata.dat
C:\Users\<YOURUSERNAME>\AppData\Roaming\BlackBean\WRCDemo\Saves

Not sure this file will work on another machine though, but could be worth a try.

[Ecclesley]

Downloaded the Demo today, and got it running.
First impression was moderately positive.
I expected a bit more from an official WRC sanctioned product.
After playing it several times and progressing through the game, my verdict has become more positive.
I'm positive about the format of the game, the cars are okay, the playability is okay.
Less positive about the graphics, like some else said: a bit of a fairy tale landscape, and I tend to agree.
Negative on co driver's voice and especially those exclamations like: "out of the way, champion coming", and those outbursts when the car crashes.
That is soooo childish and not an accurate simulation of the real rally world.
After three trials I did a 3.37 flat and a 3.37.8 (keyboard control) on the Finnish stage with the Ford and Citroën respectively.
Edit 3.31.62 in the mean time.

[IWE]

Starting to get sick with this demo.

-First I got same error as giaserg.
-After installing dx9.0c again game still didn't start.
-I updated my gfx card drivers and got finally till menus, but when trying to start the stage game crashes every time with any settings.

[lukas.macedo]

No way to get the accelerator and brake pedals to work separately... Any thoughts?
I have a Momo Racing Wheel.

[kenpat]

No way to get the accelerator and brake pedals to work separately... Any thoughts?
I have a Momo Racing Wheel.

In the wheel config screen change the accelerator first then the brakes, that should do it, rememeber to save the changes.
I'm assuming you have them seperated in games controllers in Windows.

[DRat]

Unfortunately the demo looks ten years old. RC2000 was 90% as good graphically, seemed to be about the same physics, avoided looking like a handheld game, and had realistic stages instead of gravel superhighways. I think I'll stick with RSBR and RBR for now. Shame on WRC for letting itself be built as a toy instead of a half-decent simulation.

[Roadhog]

No way to get the accelerator and brake pedals to work separately... Any thoughts?
I have a Momo Racing Wheel.
To get my MOMO working all I did was go in to the Profiler, create a new Profile for WRC2010. Then I selected in Specific Game settings, "Use Special Game Settings" and "Allow the game to Adjust Settings".
Hope that works for you as with others, this game is beginning to grow on me.

[Norcal_GIT_r]

What I've found with the G25 is that you need to make sure you have the throttle and brake sharing the same axis. The game doesn't recognize it when the throttle and brake are separate axis'.

[Ecclesley]

Unfortunately the demo looks ten years old. RC2000 was 90% as good graphically, seemed to be about the same physics, avoided looking like a handheld game, and had realistic stages instead of gravel superhighways. I think I'll stick with RSBR and RBR for now. Shame on WRC for letting itself be built as a toy instead of a half-decent simulation.

Like I said, I expected more from a WRC sanctioned product than what is presented here. State of the art? No, definitely not.

[SukIS04]

Tried the pc demo alill, I might buy if they "fix"
- A CLUTCH button !
- Adjustable Handbrake "bite"
- Turn on/off "respaw/auto reset car after crash" opt !
- Look into apex(0-30°) + Adjustable seat f,r,u,d opt
- Show fps
- A tracked / BTB support w.b nice but i guess <:-§ ..

[Altarir]

Tried it and... I have never been so disappointed with a game. Phisics - tried the top settings and it just feels weird. I have no idea what's going to happen with the car. There's just no feeling. I'll give it another try though.

The graphics - I don't damn care about flashy reflections and such rubbish if I get two black stripes on the top and bottom of the screen. Feels like a damn tank visor. hopeless. My settings are 1024x768 on a regular monitor.

the controls - how am I supposed to drive fast if I can't do left foot braking, because there's no split axis support!? hopeless

sound - car sounds like a vacuum cleaner, surface sounds can't be heard, co-driver is an idiot: he just goes like "mbwebwewbebwe4bewbe...is this the fastest you can go?" yeah with such an idiot in the passenger seat, who can't even speak properly, and the other issues, that IS the fastest I can go. Less than a second behind the leader on top difficulty settings ain't bad, ain't it?

I have officially quit believing that they will fix all this.

[adopusina]

I played the demo, and the game has several issues, which is problems with stable fps (my rig: intel e8400, 4 GB ram, ati 4850, and it wasnt smooth regarding the fps), for a game that looks like its 4 to 5 years old, its way to resource hungry, extremely bad experience playing it with a wheel (I set my DFP to 720° steering degrees, but the game calibrates the wheel on 180° by itself, entering the game the wheel switches to 180° automatically), and several other technical forgiving issues. Now, those problems are maybe just my opinion and experience, but the next few problems should be a concern to everyone who wants to buy this game, and that is: there are no real hairpin corners, the stages are to wide, stages are too short (which means the stages are not even close to reality, and black bean said that the stages are goin to be real deal which means they were lying to potential customers) physics is not even close to sim like. My personal opinion is that even Colin McRae Rally 2005 (though its not a sim or a wrc official game) is a better rally game. And remember, the previous official wrc game - WRC Evolved is a better game then CMR 2005! Cheers :D

[Roadhog]

This is interesting.... take a peak

http://www.wrc.com/games/

[Jay AK]

Being a big WRC fan myself I think I'll be giving this a wide birth, a very poor effort on BB's part (to be expected really)... I was expecting WRC to be a lot better than this, not an load of arcade rubbish. Trying to get your wheel working on this is ridiculous, keyboard or gamepad? where's the option for the wheel?... and this is supposed to have RTR support? I'm sorry but this is fit for the bin and not the bargain variety...

Really? Is this the best blackbean has to offer? ..... a very lame effort considering all the hype!:thumbdown::thumbdown::thumbdown:

[Hezemans]

Well, there's a wheel setting!!!!!!!!!!

[isamu]

no wheel supprt? sounds like it's another crappy console port.

[tollo]

no wheel supprt? sounds like it's another crappy console port.

There is wheel support of course.

[adopusina]

However the game poor might be, it could make the game more interesting if the wheel could get more steering degree. I mean, tts clear that there is wheel support and you can use the wheel with this game, but I dont know if thats the case only with my wheel, namely my Driving Force Pro switches tp 180° steering degree when I enter the game, but in the Logitech Profile its always on 720° (this is the only game that I played that does this automatically). I dont know if there is a workaround to enable more degrees? How you guys play, is there someone with g25, g27, DF GT/Pro to clear this out?

[amarios]

Uncheck "Allow game to change settings" or whatever it's called in logitech profiler. And tada, you can use the wheel rotation of your choice. :)
Using 360° myself and it's working pretty well. (But meh, gief separate pedals and some proper FFB :\ )

[adopusina]

Uncheck "Allow game to change settings" or whatever it's called in logitech profiler. And tada, you can use the wheel rotation of your choice. :)
Using 360° myself and it's working pretty well. (But meh, gief separate pedals and some proper FFB :\ )

Thanks man, gonna try this out...And yeah, the game still feels like its unfinished, just not what I expected it to be :/

[paddomuncher]

hello, ive been playing it for a few days and it growing on me ive got my g25 working as good as im going to get it , took a while to get into the handling and im finding the ok now, all the cars are a bit strange from understeer to oversteer depending on which corner your taking , their definition of a hairpin leave a lot to be desired, graphics are a bit dated , co pilot is a bit of a payne, but i do like the second cockpit view. I pulled off a load of great scandnavian flicks and then bin it doing the same trick on another corner. but its quite addicted and im keep going back for more. maybe time to play with setups to see if i can get a more neutral car,

[worldclass]

Hi
what should i do with error "Mix file damaged" which comes in Japan race ?