Annoying helmet view [Archive] - NoGripRacing Forums

SuperCouilles

4 October 07, 13:17

[This comment is based upon the demo version – hope Simbin has done something about this]

:mad:

Is it me or is the helmet one of the most annoying features Simbin could have included in this game?

I mean, if I want to see a helmet, I could wear one. Changing the glass after it gets dirty is nice but:

a. When I take a curb, I know I have the tendency of inclining my head in the same direction I’m going. This, obviously, tilt my view of the scenery – tilting the car’s interior and everything else. Now, the helmet doesn’t do anything. No gravity, no G-Force whatsoever. It remains there as it was glued to the car’s body. This is a non sense. With a world movement of 100% and G-Force simulation of 100%, I could have expected the head to move forward, backward, to the left and to the right… AND have the car bumping around AND have the world bumping. NOT!

b. More on this, helmet’s rendering is not really good. How could I have the helmet on focus AND have the road on focus? Take Battlefield 2 as an example (I think Call of Duty also has that feature): When you shoot, the gun’s gets blurred at first but the aim is on focus. Here? The helmet’s edges are not blurred. They remain perfectly in focus. Optically speaking, this is simply impossible.

So… Is there a way to get rid of that bloody helmet and keep the same view perspective as with it (which I love)? This annoys me enough to buy the game and never touch the Radical or F3000 or any other race car where I need to wear a helmet. More! I’m wondering now if I’m going to buy the game knowing that I’m going to use 1/3 of it.

Guys, tell me there’s an option somewhere.

PS. I get rid of the steering wheel.
PPS. I hope the option is not in my face and I just missed it! :(

mickey65

4 October 07, 13:44

In the Demo the "open wheel cars" aren t nice, because the helmet view is in my opinion sh.. !!!

Only drive wtcc is for me not enought argument to buy, although i live in Ger.
I cant find a possibility to delete the helmet by cockpitview, possible this is in the exe code ?

By 3 Monitoring left - centre and right with a size of ca. 3000 there are no the helmet view i read !!!!

sassou

4 October 07, 13:52

you just press the "inser" button of your keyboard for change to the cockpitview

SuperCouilles

4 October 07, 14:03

you just press the "inser" button of your keyboard for change to the cockpitview

No. It's not the same view angle and you can't adjust the seat.

Gaiajohan

4 October 07, 14:12

Got no trouble here in the full version.

Mogget

4 October 07, 14:51

Is anyone actually interested in the helmet view ? I mean, what purpose does it serve ? :confused:

Gaiajohan

4 October 07, 15:13

Is anyone actually interested in the helmet view ? I mean, what purpose does it serve ? :confused:

Dirty visor, so more realistic :P

swviper

4 October 07, 15:15

I mean, if I want to see a helmet, I could wear one. Changing the glass after it gets dirty is nice but:
:(

hmm....getting mental picture.....:roflmao::roflmao::roflmao:

Diswanio

4 October 07, 15:34

i say, lose the helmet view!

slider916

4 October 07, 15:37

I think the helmet is a great idea. Adds to the realism.

Eno

4 October 07, 15:49

Its rare to just get people to sit their butts incar than too add a helmet to it. Shame really, developers spend so much effort to get this part of the sim right, just to have it run like a arcade machine in a arcade room. I sure the leagues or some will use this feature.

RKipker

4 October 07, 16:09

I agree the helmet should move with car, wobble some at times, move with brakes/acceleration applied!

PhilH959

4 October 07, 16:20

In the default settings of the demo ( all I have at the moment) the helmet does bobble all over the place, and gravity or inertia seems to tug at it. I had to turn off all that additional movement. Hit the Insert key twice to get to the cockpit view. You can cycle that key three times. First view is helmet, second view is nose cam, third should be cockpit!
I agree, that if I want a helmet view, I will wear one 'cause the one in the game is horrible. Last time I actually wore one, I dont remember seeing the piece in front of my mouth? Maybe just the very top of it?

Phil

Diswanio

4 October 07, 17:28

Atleast give's an option to choose.. (Game Looks awesome, only "the" arcade feel sucks bigtime)

slider916

4 October 07, 17:42

Atleast give's an option to choose.. (Game Looks awesome, only "the" arcade feel sucks bigtime)

Arcade feel??

This doesn't feel much different that the 06 version, and people were happy with that.

I take it that you drive WTCC cars in real life?

Grasshopper

4 October 07, 17:43

i must say i would like to see the helmet view removed too. It just doesn't look right at all
Imo it looks more like i glued a black paper with a cutout on my monitor or looking trough an empty helmet instead of wearing it somehow.

On a regular monitor the viewing angle is already small enough compared to real life (like driving with one eye closed, especially in the left/right hand drive cars) without having this limiting it even more.

Maybe if the lower part shape and the 'banner' was different it might look better.

hadoq

4 October 07, 18:30

kinda like this feature, as it was said before, adds to the realism.

when I race seriously I use hood view anyway. "inside" views are ok for driving around and stuff.

Richie61

4 October 07, 18:43

I think the helmet is a great idea. Adds to the realism.

I raced SCCA and I too like the helmet view:)

Mogget

4 October 07, 18:52

I assume that this "helmet" view is optional ? As in, you can select a normal cockpit view ?

Hansaplast

4 October 07, 20:28

I am pretty shure its possible to delete the texture of the helmet
somewhere inside Race 07,
but its hard to decide at all the crypted files.

simracer

4 October 07, 21:12

I am pretty shure its possible to delete the texture of the helmet
somewhere inside Race 07,
but its hard to decide at all the crypted files.

The file is called....

DRIVER_HELMET_FPVISOR.dds

inside GameData\Teams folder.

Deleting it will cause a CTD, but you can make the texture transparent so the helmet disappears.
:up:

I have attached a transparent DRIVER_HELMET_FPVISOR.dds for those who don't like the helmet view.

Back-up your original file in case you want the helmet view back!

Hansaplast

4 October 07, 21:35

Thanks a lot! That was real quick.

PhilH959

4 October 07, 21:51

Armin

4 October 07, 21:57

Thanks for the fix. The only way you'd get a view like that in real life is if the helmet was about twice as big as it should be. With a modern, properly fitting helmet about all you'd see is a little bit at the top and a little bit of the chin bar. (pulls helmet on) Yep, that's about it - not enough to impede your vision at all.

Eno

4 October 07, 22:48

Be glad we all race these cars, If this was a NASCAR sim. Not only would you have to deal with a helmet view, but the hauns (spelling) device as well. Talking about restrictive.

lowndes888

4 October 07, 22:53

Be glad we all race these cars, If this was a NASCAR sim. Not only would you have to deal with a helmet view, but the hauns (spelling) device as well. Talking about restrictive.

HANS device Head And Neck something:p I think

Hansaplast

4 October 07, 23:07

That helmet removed has a nice side-effect to my Ati x800 xt.
No more black-screens which required a lower setting to the textures,
no more Alt+Tab needed. :cool:

fpol

4 October 07, 23:12

Why would any sim - F1 or NASCAR simulate a HANS device? And by the way, people in all series are starting to wear HANS. I know guys who just track thier cars (not even racing) who wear it - it's not something you would in anyway put in a sim.

I'll add to unrealistic. I don't see the sides of my helmet when i'm wearing it, and the visor doesn't generally get dirty inside a closed cockpit car anyway (that's ok for the open wheel stuff) not to mention that alot of times, even when raciing.

Good marketing ploy though...

lowndes888

4 October 07, 23:16

Gaiajohan

4 October 07, 23:24

Here's a stupid one.

Don't drivers in touring cars also wear helmets?http://forum.tcgs.de/images/custom_smilies/uglyhammer.gif

There is a helmet for open wheelers yet no helmet for the closed vehicles:p

Indeed that's quite stupid.

I know in Grand Prix 4 you had the choice to wear a helmet or not.

Dzul

5 October 07, 08:23

There is a helmet for open wheelers yet no helmet for the closed vehicles:p

That sounds like SimBin's logic ... :roflmao:

I know in Grand Prix 4 you had the choice to wear a helmet or not.

Yeah, and it was a smart move... to leave the CHOICE to the player. :rolleyes:

Mogget

5 October 07, 10:26

Is everyone hear saying that the helmet view is compulsory in the RACE07 open wheel cars ? :eek:

Gaiajohan

5 October 07, 10:34

Is everyone hear saying that the helmet view is compulsory in the RACE07 open wheel cars ? :eek:

yep, that's true, at least, I haven't found any option of this in the menu, neither in the .plr:(

David Wright

5 October 07, 10:34

Is everyone hear saying that the helmet view is compulsory in the RACE07 open wheel cars ? :eek:

Depends what you mean by compulsory :) Cockpit view isn't compulsory in GTL/GTR2 and in the same sense helmet view isn't compulsory in RACE 07 open wheelers.

Anyway since you are not going to buy RACE 07 why be so concerned? :)

lowndes888

5 October 07, 11:34

Well use the transparent fix that dude uploaded

A big plus for the game is in the Radicals and F3000 you can see the driver operating the clutch pedal plus the gear shifting with the hand is better than in GTR2

Mogget

5 October 07, 11:44

Depends what you mean by compulsory Cockpit view isn't compulsory in GTL/GTR2 and in the same sense helmet view isn't compulsory in RACE 07 open wheelers.

Anyway since you are not going to buy RACE 07 why be so concerned?

I'm not concerned. I'm totally baffled !

skyreen

5 October 07, 11:53

There`s a fix for the helmet view on RSc forums.:)
http://forum.rscnet.org/showthread.php?t=299798
Feels much better.:up:

SuperCouilles

5 October 07, 14:00

[I'm no programmer or anything and I know it must be more complicated than that but...]

Simbin. On the next patch, please include the "transparent patch" provided here. Insert a button on the menu "Helmet" on/off. If the user click on "off", reroute to the .DDS file where the FPVISOR is transparent. Leave the user the choice!

rasfigjohn

5 October 07, 14:03

[I'm no programmer or anything and I know it must be more complicated than that but...]

Nice nickname...:rolleyes:

Eno

5 October 07, 14:19

Well fpol,its in every car in NASCAR since Dales death, No? So if its in the real cars,WHY would it not be in a sim as well. Thats if it were being marketed as a NASCAR sim,But than again, this is not NASCAR.

Hansaplast

5 October 07, 16:07

Now we can do our own .dds for the helmet-texture,
so who´s gonna paint me some virtual ray-ban sunglasses ? :D

UKFireman

5 October 07, 20:31

nice idea but i agree there should be an option to turn it off. Saying that with track ir its pretty good :D

pain-less

6 October 07, 01:25

One more time............
Hit the Insert key twice to get to the cockpit view. You can cycle that key three times. First view is helmet, second view is nose cam, third should be cockpit!
No need to delete it, or to make it transparent.

Phil

It doesn't work that way Phil. It puts you right back in the helmet.
So apparently there IS a need to make it transparent.

PhilH959

6 October 07, 01:40

well son of a biscuit!!! it works that way in the demo.....huh. I guess they changed that.
And I did menetion the first time I only had the demo.....comes out on the 10th here...
Sorry. Once again I didn't know what I was talking about...LOL
But thanks Painless for letting me know I was wrong.....now I agree with all of the posts....that sux!

Phil

Gaiajohan

6 October 07, 01:43

pain-less

6 October 07, 02:01

David Wright

6 October 07, 09:13

I like the basic idea, but think they went a bit far in how the helmet restricts your view, especially at the bottom. It would be nice to see an edited visor texture with less intrusion and a choice of replacements for the race website url on the sunshade band. It is surprising it wasn't made an option; after all Simbin have gone the extra mile in the tin-tops by allowing unrealistic seat movement as an option. Does the rainscreen work properly with the fully transparent visor?

SuperCouilles

6 October 07, 12:37

[...] after all Simbin have gone the extra mile in the tin-tops by allowing unrealistic seat movement as an option.

I use * and love * that option. I use a look to apex @ 50% and get really near the windshield up until I see 50% of outside mirror.

The thing that annoys me in the demo is that if you raise the seat enough, you go THROUGH the roof. I mean, you cannot go in front of the windshield but you can go through the roof. I cannot see how the testers could have missed this. :down:

I also wonder how much a tester’s comment weight when expressing his opinion. I like to think that if I was a game tester, developers would go crazy: :confused:

Me: “Hey! You can run THROUGH the official that is waiving the flag on the 3rd curb in Brand Hatch!” :eek:
Dev: “So?” :o
Me: “Put the guy to the other side of the wall then, it will be more realistic.” :rolleyes:

Dev answer 1: “Too hard to program.”
My answer would be: “Ok, so, if I go through a sign on the side of the road, it gets pushed off and flies further down the road, but if I run into an official, I simply go through him… He’s a phantom? Oh! I wasn’t seeing it like that… :p NOT! Man, just make him fall or jump to the other side of the wall scared or something…” :mad:

Or;
Dev answer 2: “We do not have time for that and it’s unimportant – only a small fraction of racers are going to notice and… Why are you driving there anyway? You’re not supposed to be there at anytime.”
My answer would be: “We’re doing a game for non-traditional gamers. You’re programming for people that are looking for something as realistic as it can be. If you start adding *small* unrealistic stuff like that, the end product WILL be unrealistic and you are going opposite way to the potential buyers.” :(

Or;
Dev answer 3: “Loosen up Super, it’s only a game. Kid won’t notice.”
Me: “What about the 30 years old that is playing the game? You know, the one that are actually PAYING for the game, not pirating them?” [And then, I’d probably go ballistic!] :mad:

Anyway, some weird stuff happening in the game. I feel they’ve cut the corner here and there. I would have liked them to drop the open wheels and concentrate the energy fixing stuff like that [AND ADDING THE DAMN BUTTON TO REMOVE THE VISOR] :roflmao:. I suppose then they’d lose the marketing hype of have 8 categories… Or I suppose the publisher would have given less time to produce since there would not be too many new features – Hey! It’s an upgrade after all. Just like Madden08 or NHL08.

[RSms]RS

9 October 07, 14:02

I can tell from your post Super that you do not race sims seriously, 50% look to apex is awful and I bet most drivers run at 0%....

If you want to run people over then maybe Carmageddon is the game for you. Do you think that the dev team should spend time coding in driving into people? I can tell you if you deliberately ran someone over you would be banned for life, maybe that's what should happen to you ;)

I think maybe you are taking the sim thing a bit too far, maybe they should build something into the game whereby when you crash an ambulance turns up outside your house and you have to spend 6 weeks in hospital, then maybe a couple of months in rehabilitation until you are fit to drive again or they could just allow you to press the Escape key OMG how unrealistic. :eek:

I agree that you should be able to remove the visor within the game but a 1 second search on here and it's done. I know it's not realistic but if you have TrackIR it works well when showing a friend....

As for 30 years old, you should know better and post more constructive comments....

RKipker

9 October 07, 22:21

Hold on there [RSms]RS I think SuperCouilles was just having a little fun! I don't think he actually wants to run any of the officals over, this is why he stated, very colofully I must add, why they should not be in the game as they are.

We're just all posting our thoughts....no harm no foul!!!!!

Gaiajohan

9 October 07, 22:28

Hmm I drive with 30% look to apex. WHy? In real life you also turn your head while steering to another corner, and 30% feels about right.
Or would you want to say, that if you drive a hairpin left, you're looking into the valley? Doesn't seem smart to me, you'd better watch the road.

SuperCouilles

9 October 07, 23:37

RS;160107']I can tell from your post Super that you do not race sims seriously, 50% look to apex is awful and I bet most drivers run at 0%....

50% out of a 4/3 feels like 30% on a 16/9. I was using 30% before, only a matter of taste I suppose... There's a long run from being able to tell if someone is a racer or not from this...

RS;160107'][...] Do you think that the dev team should spend time coding in driving into people? I can tell you if you deliberately ran someone over you would be banned for life, maybe that's what should happen to you ;)[...]

You just gave me Dev's answer #2 and #3. Come-on, a little imagination here. Shish. Hey, you seems pretty upset. Do you work for Simbin or something? But heh, don't worry. You're my catch of the day: A big old oily trout.

Gaiajohan

9 October 07, 23:44

I have 4:3 ;)

[RSms]RS

10 October 07, 08:50

Hey I am not critising if you want to run look to apex then run it. Yes I agree in real life you would look in that direction but this is not real life. The look to apex whilst looking nice is actually a distraction, especially if you opposite lock, it just looks where you are turning and that is not always which way you will actually be going.

But as you say it is a matter of choice but IMO you will find much better lap times to be had (or maybe more consistent times) with a fixed view, even if it is a bit unrealistic. I think it is set to '0' as default in Race 07. ;)

Oh and by the way I do not work for Simbin :p

SuperCouilles

10 October 07, 13:40

RS;160469']But as you say it is a matter of choice but IMO you will find much better lap times to be had (or maybe more consistent times) with a fixed view, even if it is a bit unrealistic. I think it is set to '0' as default in Race 07. ;)

I agree in the essence. And, you know what? I may also get better lap time if I'm not driving using the cockpit view but use the "hood cam" or, God forbid, the 3rd person's view. I could also get better time by not maxing the world movement, G-Force simulation, or anything else that could distract me from the road. :D

I’ll gain speed but lose on the sheer fun the game is providing me.
What I really need is a 16/9 or a 3 screens setup. I’d put a look to apex of 10% on the 1st one and use none on the second option.

It'll come soon. ;)

Blackout

11 October 07, 10:37

yes the new texture for the helmet view still uses the visor with dirt, and bug splats, and the tear offs.

redi

11 October 07, 11:15

RS;160469']Hey I am not critising if you want to run look to apex then run it. Yes I agree in real life you would look in that direction but this is not real life. The look to apex whilst looking nice is actually a distraction, especially if you opposite lock, it just looks where you are turning and that is not always which way you will actually be going.

But as you say it is a matter of choice but IMO you will find much better lap times to be had (or maybe more consistent times) with a fixed view, even if it is a bit unrealistic. I think it is set to '0' as default in Race 07. ;)

Oh and by the way I do not work for Simbin :p

Buy a TrackIR, it's more realistic than anything you guys discussed :D

[RSms]RS

11 October 07, 13:06

I have one the same as you :D but only use it for fun not for serious racing as I find it more of a hinderence than a help

redi

11 October 07, 13:16

RS;161175']I have one the same as you :D but only use it for fun not for serious racing as I find it more of a hinderence than a help

REALLY?!?:eek:

I can't drive without it, looking ahead into corners is incredibly useful and I hate the left-right looking though buttons as it's too digital.

Maybe it's just some tweaking of the settings like sensitivity/deadzones that needs to be done? I can give you mine too see if that improves things for you. Just PM me so that we don't take this thread off-topic too much :) The right settings and a bit of practice should make it work! :)

p8than

12 October 07, 04:31

Okay maybe it is just me but I can't seem to find the GameData\Teams folder to replace that DDS file. I'm under Steam\SteamApps\(username)\race 07 folder.

Am I missing something here or did I just go into the wrong directory? I did a search on all my drives for the DRIVER_HELMET_FPVISOR.DDS file but nothing. Is it just me?

Blackout

12 October 07, 05:34

it is located in your Gamedata/Teams folder
save the old one incase you would want to ever use it again.

Suby56

12 October 07, 14:23

Is This O.K.

New
http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee284/Suby56/Race_Steam2007-10-1208-52-31-45.jpg

OLD
http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee284/Suby56/Race_Steam2007-10-1208-55-49-78.jpg

sbradshaw

12 October 07, 17:45

That looks brilliant, Suby56. I only bought the game today and was disappointed by the helmet view. Are you using the fix from RSC or is it your own fix? If so, can you PLEEEEAASE make it available for download?
Thanx, Steve

Roadrat

12 October 07, 18:00

Agreed, nice work suby ... post her up !!

Dzul

12 October 07, 18:59

:eek: MUCH BETTER!!! :up: Where do we buy those helmets? :D :D :D

Suby56

12 October 07, 19:54

I was pretty happy with this but it seems online it goes to the original helmet view, so it only works offline. I will upload it anyway in a bit.

Suby56

13 October 07, 01:55

I guess they do work online. I have uploaded them.

RKipker

13 October 07, 02:42

QUOTE=redi;161119]Buy a TrackIR, it's more realistic than anything you guys discussed :D[/QUOTE]

Actually, I just got my TRACK IR and its great, but since I'm just trying to get use to it, I using left/right and "Z" axis into and outof monitor. Roll is Good.... but others are a bit to get use to. Just the left and right makes it well worth the price.

NOW, I must admit after getting RACE07 today, WHAT THE HELL were the DEVELOPERS thinking with a freaking larger A$$ cumbersome helmet view like that.

Many have said... but if they ever put on a Helmet, they would know you would only have a slight visual of the lower mouth/chin protection and slightly upper rim of helmet and maybe depending on helmet some side edge showing as well.

[QUOTE=simracer;157696]The file is called.... DRIVER_HELMET_FPVISOR.dds
[QUOTE]
NOW :up::up::up: KUDO'S :up::up::up:TO SIMRACER WHO SUPPLIED THE INVISABLE HELMET!!!!!

I fired up Race tonight... just passed it off in the demo thinking no way they were leaving it that way...NO WAY! Man I hated that view... great concept... just extrememly poor execution on SIMBIN's part.

I may have ditched this game w/o this file, I know I would have moved out of the coclpit onto the DASH cam... which is I beleive hat some folks was referring too...as the cockpit cam w/o helmet

TrippleB

15 October 07, 04:47

i must say, the helmet isnt too annoying with the forumla bmw or the f3000s, but with the rads and the cats it drives me friggin NUTS.

ith that bigol chun bar there like an oversized football helmet or something, just LOL. I dont race cars, but I do ride a lovely 1999 Honda 600CBR motorcycle, and if your helmet view looks like that I would advise getting a new helmet because your fit is clearly for a head 5x the size of your own!

Suby56, your view is PRO, I want it dude!!!! Post er up plz! And thanks for putting in the work!

=MM= Simmons

15 October 07, 07:53

Is anyone actually interested in the helmet view ? I mean, what purpose does it serve ? :confused:

I agree, when wearing a helmet the view is totally different as in the game,
but there's one benefit of it all, you are seeing less, so there's less to
render and therefor the FPS are going up! :p

I LOVE THIS ONE!!!
http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee284/Suby56/Race_Steam2007-10-1208-52-31-45.jpg

Dzul

16 October 07, 07:04

if your helmet view looks like that I would advise getting a new helmet because your fit is clearly for a head 5x the size of your own!

How discriminating!
\
http://www.thatsstupid.net/pie/images/Dark_Helmet.jpg

Couldn't resist... :roflmao::roflmao::roflmao: LMAO!

=MM= Simmons

16 October 07, 07:35

How discriminating!
\
http://www.thatsstupid.net/pie/images/Dark_Helmet.jpg

Couldn't resist... :roflmao::roflmao::roflmao: LMAO!

Look the 2007 model!!!!!!

http://www.chaoticsynapticactivity.com/images/6lb_hmd.jpg

Shane Thompson

1 June 08, 03:57

DrWatson

4 June 08, 06:05

i did allll that and i cant find it lol

any help?

you have to make the directories.
go to C:\Games\Steam\SteamApps\(your username)\race 07

make a GameData directory
go inside it and make a Teams directory
open that up and dump the DDS file there

It's the same path structure as the .gcf files in the main SteamApps folder, so I assume it just over-rides the default one in the "race 07 textures.gcf" game cache file.

Shame the guy that made the really good looking one never uploaded it, and when i pull the file out of the gcf with gcfScape it cant be opened by the nvidia photoshop plug-in or dds converter 2... else i'd just make my own minimalist texture.