Richard Burns Rally is coming!!! [Archive]

Pero_Grozni

24 June 04, 16:13

We will see about realism when we drive the cars.

Realism for me isnt crashing and staying there or dust particles or any simmilar kind of tricks.
Realism for me is correct drivability with real cornerspeeds and realistic car performance. Also realistic cars should be realisticly hard to drive-not something every kind can drive from outside with a gamepad.

And to see if that is right or wrong we have to drive the cars-and not just one short stage-it takes time to really be able to see if it is right or not.
Only WRC machinery- that is boring. I hope they plan a few extra machines as well.

Sure hope it turns out great :wave:

Imagine

24 June 04, 16:32

Also realistic cars should be realisticly hard to drive-not something every kind can drive from outside with a gamepad.

:bowdown: Pero you did outdone yourself with these words of wisdom :up: :trophy:
btw-no matter how much i suck in GPL :did: i love and hate it at the same time like RT now with TT mod ;) becouse it is forcing me do be become a better driver and not only to make some stupid times what don't mean anything.....

Ralph_B

24 June 04, 16:34

Have completely to agree to Pero. Nice grafical effects are an important addition in modern Rallygames, but without the feeling of driving a realcar it isn't worth to spend one lausy cent for a game for me. I personally would prefer any sim, that models a correct behavior of the cars than to have phenomenal effects and grafical highlights. A perfect example is GPL. This is a really antiquity referring to optical effects, but it still has the very best physics compared to other F1-games and even it is old and has an outdated graficengine it is still one of my favourites(and that after playing it more the less since about 5 years).
On the other hand I myself prefer historical cars - think the modern cars are too perfect and a little boring for me.

But we will see - hope that playability doesn't spoil the fun of realistic carbehavior. For my opinion there are too much arcadelike games with a realistic touch, what I am missing are really good racesims that concentrate more on aspects of realistic driving than spectacular effects. But that's the prize for commercial releases in this days - what a pity for real simfans!

Regards,
Ralph.B

pepe2

24 June 04, 18:57

I've seen some video clips of that game and the car handling looks very realistic :trophy:

Pero_Grozni

24 June 04, 19:50

I have seen many clips of it-> including the one where one stage is driven and than two(or three) replays are shown. The fact that it was driven from outside (looking from behind) makes me a bit sceptic.
BTW: I have been dissapointed over the physics in rally games so often by now, that I dont belive any "most realistic ever" selfpraise anymore.
I hope that this time that "most realistic ever" wont be just empty words.

Then demo will tell us all(if they intend to release it)

Ralph_B

24 June 04, 19:52

Maybe handling is realistic, but has to be tested out. Even I look replays of NFS, they seem to be realistic, but if you drive the cars yourself it is pure arcade and feeling is far away from reality.
But I don't want to judge about games, that I haven't tested and that aren't out. But my experience with many so called "realistic racegames" and loudly pronaunced realistic carphysics was often dissapointing. Hope, this time the game keeps its promise to be a sim!

Cheers,
Ralph

Midi

24 June 04, 21:54

I have played the ps2 demo(with wheel) and i say that RBR will be best rally game ever! :wave:

Pero_Grozni

24 June 04, 22:07

RBR will be best rally game ever! :wave:

I bet that you drove a Fiat :D
Kidding aside-that sounds very good :up:
Cant wait to try it.

ksoy

25 June 04, 06:56

...There are going to be only wrc cars, I think...

Well, not quite so - there's going to be one fwd car - as a bonus car. Sadly, no rwd's. Maybe someone could make one...? ;)

-ksoy-

Midi

25 June 04, 11:06

...There are going to be only wrc cars, I think...

Well, not quite so - there's going to be one fwd car - as a bonus car. Sadly, no rwd's. Maybe someone could make one...? ;)

-ksoy-

Well if RBR is editable i promise there will be some Fiats :D :smash: :OMG:

Hugo

25 June 04, 13:49

there will be no mp-part for RBR! :eek:
- so i think that i have to wait for xpand ...

BlaBla

25 June 04, 14:52

saw a video, too. Looked really extremly realistic. :up:
But only wrc's??? :down: .
If it will be editable, so that we can bring some 60s or 70s racers in it, it would be really the rally game of the world.
So let's hope and pray, that we can bring some older rally cars into it :bowdown:

ksoy

26 June 04, 11:32

Just to tease you...

I can't remember where I read it from but Bugbear was going to make RT2 but didn't manage to get a publisher fot it (JoWood?). So they began to work with FlatOut (could be worse?). I hope they'll come back to RT somehow, some day.

-ksoy-

Imagine

28 June 04, 08:57

Just to tease you...

I can't remember where I read it from but Bugbear was going to make RT2 but didn't manage to get a publisher fot it .....-

we don't need RT 2 :smash: -we youst need some new .exe or some other way to have a bigger number of car and stages in RT in a same time so that we don't need to overwrite existing ones....

and offcourse don't forget about physics :D

pepe2

28 June 04, 12:50

It's sad if there is only 4WD:s because RWD is best and I don't understand why car manufactures make almost only FWD:s and 4WD:s. It's sad that almost only RWD manufactures are BMW and Mersedes, cause I don't like them very much BMW is so popular that I nearly puke up, it's only a big penis lenghtening part and Mersedes ach.. it's not like a sport car, it's so cultivated and I like only cars what you can tune or they are even nearly sports cars.

FORD good guys buy a FORD (an old Ford 80's-60's)

pepe2

28 June 04, 12:55

This Escort has turbo engine:

pepe2

28 June 04, 13:01

This is nicest Mk2 what I have ever seen:

Roger

28 June 04, 13:38

I love the shape of the MK1 - why it does not get listed in best looking car sections I don't know.

A great design :trophy:

ksoy

28 June 04, 14:47

Some info about the physics of RBR:

http://www.bhmotorsports.com/article/150

Very interesting...

-ksoy-

Roger

28 June 04, 15:05

Yes, very interesting. To a point, I was thinking - yup, we've got that in RT, but as the article went on :trophy:

For the surface materials I was recognising some BB features, then I read about earlier cars in the stage sweeping the loose surface clean!

Engine wear, brake wear, tyre & suspension model that is susceptible to wear and damage.

Changing weather.

All in all it sounds very good.

All it needs is to be editable :D

pepe2

28 June 04, 15:55

Some info about the physics of RBR:

http://www.bhmotorsports.com/article/150

Very interesting...

-ksoy-

WOW :bowdown: it looks like a photo realistic

pepe2

28 June 04, 16:25

look that:

Ralph_B

28 June 04, 17:29

Looks really good and the discription of the physics-model sounds very promising. :up: But I will be convinced only after a real test. :P Many games before had promised a lot about realistic physics, but at the end most of them have dissapointed me.
However, I'd prefer some classical cars and not those boring perfect 4wds. I'd whish, the game is as editable as RT and will allow to have some older RWD-cars.

Cheers,
Ralph :wave:

Roger

28 June 04, 17:31

If the physics do what they say and the game is editable - it looks like it would be worth a whole sub-forum :D

MudSnow

29 June 04, 04:17

It's sad that almost only RWD manufactures are BMW and Mersedes, cause I don't like them very much BMW is so popular that I nearly puke up, it's only a big penis lenghtening part and Mersedes ach.. it's not like a sport car, it's so cultivated and I like only cars what you can tune or they are even nearly sports cars.

I agree about Mercedes, but I think maybe you have never driven a BMW. There is a reason why they are popular. An M3 with Bilstein or H&R suspension is like heaven on tarmac. And AWD is tons of fun. Hoping to buy my third Audi Quattro in a couple years, having nearly flogged my 90 into the ground. Great cars for winter driving, especially. My MGB gets stuck in 3 cm of snow. :P

So the biggest question is: is RBR editable? If it is, I will convert all my cars. If it is as editable as RT, this just might become an RBR site! :OMG:

Rallyfan

29 June 04, 10:16

I hope to see the best rally game in Colin McRae Rally 2005,because the fourth edition of CMR was really good,not like CMR 3

Midi

29 June 04, 10:43

I hope to see the best rally game in Colin McRae Rally 2005,because the fourth edition of CMR was really good,not like CMR 3

:lol:

Imagine

29 June 04, 11:20

If it is as editable as RT, this just might become an RBR site! :OMG: :chair: :argue: ;)

pepe2

29 June 04, 13:43

Yeah :cool:

It would be nice if it's editable, but this site to RBR site no ever !!:argue:
It's would be nice if this have own place to RBR in this site. ie. in forums or something :up:

Roger

29 June 04, 13:53

Somehow I don't think I will be holding my breath.

Although the physics does sound good, one comment was that their suspension was modelled on a McPherson Strut geometry - in RT we can effectively create whatever geometry we want, from beam axle to swing arm or wishbone. A pure strut system would mean that many RT cars would not feel right.

Quite why I am wasting time mentioning this worry for a game that is not released yet and may not even be editable I don't know :P :D

Pero_Grozni

29 June 04, 15:20

Probably to tease me Roger :P :twisted:

I have noticed that the ammount of promised things adds up to twice or three times of features to the physics engine RT has(three time the ammount of calculation with the flow calculations and engine calculations being very complex for real time(if I undestood that correctly they will calculate every stroke in an engine with turbo air flow calculation running as well. On 6000 rpm that means 24000 individual cycles with half firing and half emptying the cylinders in a minute. And each cycle has an individual flow, temperature, humidity and turbo behaviour characteristic. On top of that they have engine collant flow calculation running-that would than mean around 2000 calculations/sec only to get the engine right).
Another thing that I cant forgive for such a tasty preview is the term turbo injection. Fuel injection is a completly seperate sistem to the turbo sistem.... OK this small mistake shouldnt bother anyone, but for me that is a huge mistake for any physics/cars person to make. If they dont even know that the two sistems are separate and interact with a complex guiding logic for the fuel sistem, than I dont quite see how they can model the equations for that.

I have the feeling that this is more of talking so much and loudly that in the end the users will even belive it-it happens all the time.

In any case-I want to see the demo first and than I will belive things they said if the average speeds will add up(Cyprus ~66 km/h in WRC cars!!!!) and the feel will be threre and of course if the driving will be so challenging that I will have to do things that are necesary to keep the real cars on course.
I just hope that people will be objective while testing the demo as many times a person wants the thing to be good so badly that they think that they are even though they might be not good.

Quite why I am wasting time mentioning this worry for a game that is not released yet and may not even be editable I don't know

HEHE- teased me enough to comment more than I wanted :twisted:

Imagine

30 June 04, 07:28

when i think that Roger is gone too far,Pero can allways suprise me :OMG:

btw-i think that wee expect to much from this-we must forget it and go back to RT ;)

juls

5 July 04, 08:08

RBR is now available on X-BOX.
On this page you can download several videos made by users...
This game seems not to be a joke at all! (I think that they don't calculate each engine cycle...maybe they calculate globally ignition problems you may have when air flow, engine rotation speed and amount of fuel are out of range...and then they apply a lowered torque than optimal one, and play different sounds :) )

One video shows setup screens for the cars.

- differential maps (center, front, rear)
- springs, bump, fast-bump, rebound dampers, rollbars
- tyre pressure, camber...etc
- mcpherson geometry...angles, leverage length...etc.
- torque curves for each gear.

The game seems to be difficult, crashes are not forgiven at all.

http://www.bhmotorsports.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=20355

Midi

7 July 04, 14:32

I bought ps2 :banana: and rbr they should arrive at friday, i wil drive with red momo and post some feelings here! :wave:

Feel free to ask questions, i will answer them as good as i can.

juls

8 July 04, 11:49

These videos are crazy. It looks so real...nothing to do with CMR...this game will receive only bad reviews, be sure about that.
First time I see such tarmac behaviour...I could watch these videos 20 times without seeing anything strange...it's simply perfect, and according to hardcore sims fans, the handling is very realistic too.

For me it is the next target for all rally sims fans...one step beyond.

I hope it accepts custom cars!

Roger

8 July 04, 12:05

I agree about Mercedes, but I think maybe you have never driven a BMW. There is a reason why they are popular. An M3 with Bilstein or H&R suspension is like heaven on tarmac. And AWD is tons of fun. Hoping to buy my third Audi Quattro in a couple years, having nearly flogged my 90 into the ground. Great cars for winter driving, especially. My MGB gets stuck in 3 cm of snow. :P

So the biggest question is: is RBR editable? If it is, I will convert all my cars. If it is as editable as RT, this just might become an RBR site! :OMG:

Just noticed this....I had a BMW 320i for a while (yeah I know! :P ). But, I will say that it was a good drive dead standard, VERRRRYYYY smooth engine and 'box. Nice feel to the car. All I did was slot on a Bilstein kit and I can say that the handling was pretty amazing considering what the base car was intended to be.

I would not want another, but I can understand anyone who buys a BMW because they want a good drive. M series anything must be great.

Dan

8 July 04, 12:30

i'm hearing good reports of RBR on ps2, if the pc version is as good comparitively then I think its quite likely you will see a RBR section here in nogrip in the future ;)

and BTW.. Alfa RWD > BMW ;)

as a german friend told me... Bei Mercedes Weggeworfen, - which translates too, thrown away at mercedes

Midi

8 July 04, 12:43

and BTW.. Alfa RWD > BMW ;)

as a german friend told me... Bei Mercedes Weggeworfen, - which translates too, thrown away at mercedes

Noo.. Alfa is Alfa an BMW is junk ;)

As you can see i like the italianos :trophy:

Dan

8 July 04, 12:46

Noo.. Alfa is Alfa an BMW is junk ;)

As you can see i like the italianos :trophy:

thats exactly what I meant :D

Roger

8 July 04, 12:58

Ooohhh....those Germans are so hurtful :D :cry:

I don't suppose we can even post the common UK translation of BMW here?

Bl... M..'s W...y :smash: :unf:

Roger

8 July 04, 13:00

Back OT. RBR does sound like it might be one to buy - editable or not

If it gets editable......yeah :up:

Dan

8 July 04, 13:00

A picture tells a thousand words

http://dan.is-mad.com/upload/files/W4NKR.jpg

Roger

8 July 04, 13:03

A picture tells a thousand words

http://dan.is-mad.com/upload/files/W4NKR.jpg

:OMG: :lol:

Considering what I just wrote, I was horrified as to what you might have attached :smash: :OMG:

Midi

8 July 04, 13:16

Haha, suckers :D

pepe2

8 July 04, 17:01

Midi

8 July 04, 20:20

Today i drove RBR with xbox. It feels very good. In Great Britain there's ditches almost everywhere and logging areas which were full of stumps :up:
I drove 2 stages at here.

In australia the road was very hard.. in left side nice drop and right side a bank, when you hit the inside bank it's 95% sure you find yourself from very deep ditch :D I drove only 1 stage here.

France is thrilling narrow tarmac stages where is very little room for error. There it's easy to retire with only one crash and the wet tarmac is pretty slippery. I drove here 3 stages(2 in rain).

And then there's Finland, Japan and Usa stages which i didn't try. But i saw that first USA stage was quite wide high speed road.

All these stages what i drove were absolutely stunning and i think this is so hard game that those stage lenghts are ok: http://koti.mbnet.fi/gwarth/rbr_stages.txt

Beware RT, if we can make old rally cars to RBR it will be the outstanding rally game ever. If not then it's still best rally game ever :wave:

Midi

8 July 04, 20:29

Oh, of course i drove japan stage in the ps2 demo. It was pretty slow and tvisting trough somekind a jungle.

pepe2

8 July 04, 20:31

Oh dude :eek: youre finnish and you not tested finland, I must hear is it good, when I buy a rally games, first thing is to try finland stages, but when you have tested finland I can't wait your messages. :up:

RTS013

8 July 04, 20:40

Finland is snowy in RBR, right? Artic Rally Lappland perhaps...

Midi

8 July 04, 20:46

Finland is snowy in RBR, right? Artic Rally Lappland perhaps...

Yep, and what i have heard it is awesome rally too in RBR ;) Here's all those user-made videos of RBR. I recommend to download: http://www.bhmotorsports.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=20355

pepe2

8 July 04, 20:54

Finland in snow NO WAY!! :banghead: NESTE RALLY in snow it's so s*it thing :did: , finland must be in summer and sweden rally in winter. amm... I quess Sweden is in summer?

Midi

8 July 04, 20:57

Finland in snow NO WAY!! :banghead: NESTE RALLY in snow it's so s*it thing :did: , finland must be in summer and sweden rally in winter. amm... I quess Sweden is in summer?

No there isn't sweden...

RTmanic

8 July 04, 21:02

I hope it is editable and when is the release date for the PC version.

pepe2

8 July 04, 21:05

Hmmm... if finland is in winter, have you any idea what rally this is?

Midi

8 July 04, 22:53

Hmmm... if finland is in winter, have you any idea what rally this is?

I think that is Great Britain, those GB stages in rbr are a bit similar to real finland stages.
And Finland is winter because Sony has the WRC license so there isn't possible to make Nesta Rally Finland.. :( Damn sony..

All RBR rallies are some real Lisenced rally events.

pepe2

8 July 04, 23:28

Ach damn sony... only good in sony is that I have sony CD player in my Sierra.

lowgoods

9 July 04, 07:14

Hi Midi, is there an acceptable cockpit view available for driving? And is the game capable of multi-player over internet? I once read in a forum, that those are weak points being expected...

Midi

9 July 04, 08:45

Hi Midi, is there an acceptable cockpit view available for driving? And is the game capable of multi-player over internet? I once read in a forum, that those are weak points being expected...

There isn't any internet multiplayer, only 4 player hotseat mode. It's a shame but it really isn't reason to leave RBR to shop, i could say it feels maybe a little same as TT RealMod but with proper 4WD cars :up:

In console version incar view is middle of the car but in pc version there will be view from the drivers seat.

RTS013

9 July 04, 09:02

Finland in snow NO WAY!! :banghead: NESTE RALLY in snow it's so s*it thing :did: , finland must be in summer and sweden rally in winter. amm... I quess Sweden is in summer?

Hey, Finland has got many very good vinter rallys so I'm not sad that it's snowy. There has to be at least one snow event in al games! But I agree it would be nice with those roads in the summer too...

A bit sad that Sweden isn't there, though... 'Guess we swedes have become a bit spoiled having our home event in all games :D

And maybe it's time for someone to make a game with a Swedish summer rally... they are great too ;)

lowgoods

9 July 04, 09:06

In console version incar view is middle of the car but in pc version there will be view from the drivers seat.

Hopefully! Because I couldn't enjoy perfect physics and graphics at all, if I had to sit on the gearshift lever when driving the car...

Midi

9 July 04, 09:12

And maybe it's time for someone to make a game with a Swedish summer rally... they are great too ;)

I don't agree this, what i have seen from some videos roads are very strange because there isn't ditches and almost every car is volvo :OMG:
Of course i can be wrong, please tell us about swedish rallys :wave:

Hopefully! Because I couldn't enjoy perfect physics and graphics at all, if I had to sit on the gearshift lever when driving the car...

There will be that view for sure :up:

Midi

9 July 04, 10:28

Oh i forgot on thing, you can adjust pace notes two ways:
1. How long the note is on the screen(if you use visual notes).
2. How early note is being read.

:up:

RTS013

9 July 04, 15:10

Oh i forgot on thing, you can adjust pace notes two ways:
1. How long the note is on the screen(if you use visual notes).
2. How early note is being read.

:up:

How early can you have them? 2 turns ahead? Or 3 or 4 or...

Oh, swedish rallys... compared to the awsome roads in Finland they are generally narrower. But the nature/scenery is very similar to finland, so the ditches, rocks and trees are just about the same.

Midi

9 July 04, 17:06

RTS013

9 July 04, 17:53

Nice! All games have them way too late. There are hardly any stage where there is not at least one call that is so late you are allready in the turn when it comes... :mad:

Midi

9 July 04, 18:26

Nice! All games have them way too late. There are hardly any stage where there is not at least one call that is so late you are allready in the turn when it comes... :mad:

Yep..

Now i have ps2, just waiting where to get RBR. Now playing CMR1 :D

pepe2

11 July 04, 14:19

CMR 1 and 4 are maybe best CMRallyes, 2 and 3 are shit :did: and I'm so sad that I buyed that 3, I byed it cause when I byed 1 it was so good that I become a CMR fan but in todays I'm RT fan :D I have all CMRs only what I don't have is 4 and I think I don't maybe buy any CMRs anymore :P

Hanski

11 July 04, 15:57

In many forums I have pointed out the inportance of consulting Bugbear in case of rallydeveloping.
RBR is told to be good, and I am going to buy it, of course. I might have a space for it among those previous longshots in my bookshelf :rolleyes:

Midi

13 July 04, 17:44

Now i have RBR so i'm trying to make some videos when i learn to drive, i haven't finished any rally yet :D

Dan

13 July 04, 18:49

I should have it for ps2 tomorrow I hope :D

RTS013

13 July 04, 20:52

You, lucky b... :D

Guess I'll have to make many visits to a friend of mine who also got it... untill the PC release of course! ;)

Roger

14 July 04, 08:04

I should have it for ps2 tomorrow I hope :D

Feedback?

Dan

14 July 04, 08:47

well.. the PS2 turned up half an hour ago, so maybe this evening I might have something meaningful to say on RBR ps2 edition, BUT I also have a job I'm in the middle of and I should really do some hours on that too today so no promises ;)

pepe2

23 July 04, 20:32

I just tried Richard Burns Rally in my friend, ps2 version (of course). I can't say anything, but it's fantastic game :trophy: , only bad thing what I fainded is those ugly sounds, but it's not so important (and believe that, I tried to fiend them many hours ;) ) Only thing what I can say, that it's awesome game, this game puts RT to BIG shame. :o

10/10 points :banana:

percy78

13 August 04, 11:41

I have the game on my xbox and what can i say... i awsome.

Like mention before.. them pacenotes are adjustible... I have i 3 bends before and eary call out.
Some of the PN isn't that accurate.. the EASY bends can be either fast or verry hard but all other PN are great.

You can chose to have 3D PN and 2D PN and just voince or all att the same time or just combine them as u like.

The handling are also awsome.. most realistic rallygame ever.
And the crashas/damage....WOW.

All I can say is that I will pre-order the PC verision today... If the PC verision is equal to the xbox then it's a BEST BUY EVER.

Any questions just ask me.

Imagine

29 August 04, 10:56

BugbearFanatic

29 August 04, 12:17

is it out yet :confused: -if not will enybody wants to tell me when will be out and will it be world wide simultanius relese :smash: or i need to wait a while till it comes to this shitty country or mine :mad:

Don't feel so bad, since the US hasn't got an official release date set yet.

It's supposed to be out in the UK on Sept3/4, but there's already talk of some having bought it already from some shops in europe. You can always order online.

Dan

29 August 04, 12:45

yer.. the place I ordered from now says 7th september :-)

Florenzo

2 September 04, 15:07

It´s out in Austria, and yes i have it :P

Now back to RBR, cya

ppi

2 September 04, 15:14

How the hell did you get that game already? :smash:

John_Schoen

2 September 04, 19:04

It was released in Switzerland a couple of days ago. :)

Dan

2 September 04, 19:14

checked the place where my order is and they say 03/09 again so tomorrow they should have it, not long now :D

ppi

3 September 04, 07:25

I will have it today :D . Prize of 47 euros :smash: . Why is my heart beating so fast already :woohoo: :elephant: :party: :banana: :P :up: :whoa:

Ollo

3 September 04, 07:40

Great news! So how is it? :)

pepe2

3 September 04, 12:29

You guys test it and tell how it is, is it goooood.

Then I maybe buy it.

Dan

3 September 04, 15:05

blah just got this mail today

Dear Dan
We have just been informed, by our suppliers, that our consignment of Richard Burns Rally PC have “gone missing”. We do not now expect to receive our stock until early next week, whereupon we will immediately ship you your copy.
Please accept our apologies for this delay and we do hope it does not mar your enjoyment of the game.
Kind regards,
Customer Services
orders@dvd.co.uk