Forza Motorsport 3

[ALEXZANDER]

So who is waiting for Forza 3?

[ongias25]

I will pick it up for myself and my son, sounds like it will be pretty cool....we'll see.

[zud the spud]

It's the release i'm most looking forward to this year. It's going to be great.

[ALEXZANDER]

im looking forward to it too, It looks good, Hopefully there more cars than there were in the last one though...

[Raveologist]

The demo goes up on Live at some point today

EDIT

Its up now

[iantheracer]

DEMO IS OUT TODAY PPL just so you know im just downloading it ^_^ i think you get to drive the 997 RSR Flying Lizard Le Mans 2008

[freejrs]

Demo? Out today?................. :mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen:

Should be good. It will easily be the best driving sim around that offers no decent wheel to play with. :thumbdown:

[glasgowman]

just played the demo just one track several classes of cars but it must be pushing the xbox 360 to the limit very smooth frame rate no texture tearing, in-car view is nice but your head is locked when you look left and right you jump out from the in-car view hopefully just cause its a demo, physics seem a bit improved damage model seems ok, reminds me of gtr2 running on a high-end pc with settings on full! sound was a bit disappointing but i have been playing shift for the last 5 days! seems more of the same from turn 10 but with every thing turned to 11.

[zud the spud]

Pretty Impressed. Seems like everything Forza 2 was good at but better, can't wait for release.

[freejrs]

Not massively impressed with it tbh. The graphics are what I was expecting, nothing spectacular by any means but it does play smoothly and there is no motion blur, which is good.

The damage model is a joke at best. The cars get scratched up a bit but there is no deformation to the body work really. I managed to roll one of the cars and basically nothing happened. The damage in Dirt 2, Shift and even Race Pro is miles better than Forza's pathetic offering.

The AI are laughably slow. Set to the hardest difficulty with no aids at all I was literally driving past them whilst admiring the backgrounds.

As for physics it just seems like an upgrade of Forza 2 to me, nothing really stands out to make this game a true sim. Where is the super realistic tire model we have been hearing about? Saying that I have only had the chance to play it with the joy pad, but wait, there are no wheels for the 360 so that is all I will ever play this game with.

One thing that they have brought over from Forza 2 is the incredibly long loading times. I know that this game is probably pushing the XBOX to the very edge of its performance but there is a lot of waiting around to be done here.

I just hope the actual game is significantly better than this.:thumbdown:

[Raikku]

Surprisingly good. You can actually drive cars with pad, much better physics than what was in F2. Beat console-Shifts(I have PS3's) any day.

[glasgowman]

Pretty Impressed. Seems like everything Forza 2 was good at but better, can't wait for release.

have to agree, but got to say its probably the most basic demo ive ever played, im a forza fan so was going to buy it on release anyway:-D
but I think gt5 will blow it out the water come december.

[freejrs]

but I think gt5 will blow it out the water come december.

That's what I was thinking.:thumbup:

[Raikku]

...March 2010

[glasgowman]

That's what I was thinking.:thumbup:

cant wait for head tracking with the ps3 eye camera:-D

[freejrs]

...March 2010

That's what iv been dreading.....:-(:angry:

[iantheracer]

Good game I really like it some ppl are just not into the XBox lol
it's great I like it the main thing wrong was pointed out the lookng left and right thing the cars look great drive great and the sounds are good at best lol but over all it's great :-D

[ALEXZANDER]

What happens in march 2010?

[DoMw94]

the demo is great!!!

[gavkiwi]

What happens in march 2010?

per the Tokyo Motor Show, its suppose to be the release date of Gran Turismo 5 aka Forza Killa :-P

alas, in Japan for now :-(

North American release will probably be delayed beyond march 2010.

[freejrs]

Having found the option in the demo to run a time trail (select leaderboards on the track select menu and then race) , I have run alot more laps in most of the cars. Feels better than I thought originally although it does remind me a lot of Forza 2. It's quite fun to drive but Im not sure how much of a "sim" it really is.

Also whilst admiring the screenshots during another long loading screen I saw one of the cars front tires was deforming heavily under corning load. I hope this is present in the gameplay and not just a fabrication for the pretty picture.:-)

Hopefully they will bring out a Forza branded steering wheel for the XBOX with 900* and gated shifter. Surely they must?

[alex291190]

Well, having an xbox.. I wont be able to compare them,... But forza will do :D

[PukaMan86]

Also whilst admiring the screenshots during another long loading screen I saw one of the cars front tires was deforming heavily under corning load. I hope this is present in the gameplay and not just a fabrication for the pretty picture.:-)

If you view replays and adjust views to one of the tires, you will indeed see tire deformation occuring.It was the frst thing I was looking for when I tried the demo.

[Roush9]

per the Tokyo Motor Show, its suppose to be the release date of Gran Turismo 5 aka Forza Killa :-P

alas, in Japan for now :-(

North American release will probably be delayed beyond march 2010.

they better fix the physics after pushing the release date and taking over 5 years to release the damn thing.

[rickylix]

i dl'd the F3 demo..as stated earlier. it just seems like f2 massivley updated..
the graphics are really nice! incredible detail in the texturing etc..
driving model seemed close to the same as before, maybe a bit better..each car seemed to have some different qualities..
although i must say, that driving with all the helps off felt rather nice..but why are these cars so grip-less at 30mph around a turn..tires screeching like hell..same with F2..
im not gonna rush out and buy this day1, but for sure at some point ill pick it up if its on sale or a gamestop used one..
Shift is gonna keep me busy for a while along with a string of shooters coming soon..

[ravenmorpheus2k]

I won't be dl'ing the FM3 demo. I probably won't buy the game either now.

I just went to dl the demo to see what it's like and found out that you have to have a gold account to do it and I don't currently have one and I don't wish to be paying for one at this time.

When did M$ suddenly start charging for demos by making them gold account exclusive! :thumbdown:

[zud the spud]

I won't be dl'ing the FM3 demo. I probably won't buy the game either now.

I just went to dl the demo to see what it's like and found out that you have to have a gold account to do it and I don't currently have one and I don't wish to be paying for one at this time.

When did M$ suddenly start charging for demos by making them gold account exclusive! :thumbdown:

wow, that sucks.

[gavkiwi]

M$oft does this on EVERY new game demo that comes out, typically 2-3 weeks after its been released, its available to silver (free) customers, same thing happened to me when forza 2 came out in '07.

[Empty Box]

I won't be dl'ing the FM3 demo. I probably won't buy the game either now.

I just went to dl the demo to see what it's like and found out that you have to have a gold account to do it and I don't currently have one and I don't wish to be paying for one at this time.

When did M$ suddenly start charging for demos by making them gold account exclusive! :thumbdown:

Get yer facts straight. MS has done that for a LONG while, and you will get the demo. Only thing is with the Gold sub you get your hands on it sooner. Ya know, they are trying to give you a reason to get you to pay for it and be insulted by racist 12 year olds. As in making feel as if your paying for online gaming you get something usable in return. :laugh:

[breached]

they better fix the physics after pushing the release date and taking over 5 years to release the damn thing.

there is a growing possibility GT5 will feature a day/night system.

Forza 3:
No pit crew animation
No shifting animation (I know this is minor, but once you add all of them together, it isn't minor anymore)
No pitting strategy (or tire compound change i think..)
Only 8 cars in single player
No night racing

i'd say gt5 is worth the wait after the TGS reveal..

[freejrs]

there is a growing possibility GT5 will feature a day/night system.

GT5 better come with free cake the amount of time Iv been waiting!!:-(:laugh:

[glasgowman]

GT5 better come with free cake the amount of time Iv been waiting!!:-(:laugh:

Ditto! make mines a bakewell tart, what i cant wait for is the paint editing software on forza 3 and even the race cars can be painted this time :crying: time to start trolling google image:-D

[Empty Box]

there is a growing possibility GT5 will feature a day/night system.

Forza 3:
No pit crew animation Ummm. Okay. VERY Minor detail.
No shifting animation (I know this is minor, but once you add all of them together, it isn't minor anymore) Insignificant.
No pitting strategy (or tire compound change i think..) Hmm. Okay, sorta. How about the different tires in GT5? Neither one will have "pit strategy". It's console racing, if you need strategy you SUCK.
Only 8 cars in single player Okay. Sure sucks, but, we'll survive.
No night racing Again, big whoop. Until it's done properly I'd rather not bother with it. I want the scariness, something they ALL lack. You should be depending on your headlights, not having them "optional." Every game to date has been MUCH to light.

i'd say gt5 is worth the wait after the TGS reveal..

I'd say, no, GT5 isn't worth the wait over Forza. Sure I'd pick up GT5 when it comes, but I wouldn't hold out for ~a year for GT5 if you have both consoles.

GT5 better come with free cake the amount of time Iv been waiting!!:-(:laugh:

The cake is a lie!

portal anyone?


:laugh:

[Phantom Mark]

I agree, I think both have a place in your collection if you own both consoles.......

My biggest worry is how they have developed the physics for GT5, prologue to me at least hardly feels much of an improvement over GT2 to be honest, they need to move that particular area on more than the graphics IMHO, just hope that element has been beefed up as much as the visuals.

[breached]

I'd say, no, GT5 isn't worth the wait over Forza. Sure I'd pick up GT5 when it comes, but I wouldn't hold out for ~a year for GT5 if you have both consoles.



The cake is a lie!

portal anyone?


:laugh:

Pitting strategy is about using creativity to outwit your opponents. Only those with horrible attention span couldnt appreciate such a thing. Where did it say GT5 will come out a year after forza? Didn't forza 2 have shift animation? hell, seeing the vid with the super gt supra, cockpit view seemed like driving a luxury car..Also GT4 let you pick the amount the of fuel load you wanted.

Forza 3 = forza 2 with more cars track and the casual arcade crap like drifting. same can be said for gt4 = gt3 with the bad ai and little RISK TAKING. Do you even watch motorsports? Doesn't matter either way i'd laugh both ways..

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/kotaku/2009/09/FM3_Enzo_1.jpg
That isn't even ingame too.

http://www.gtpla.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/gran-turismo-5-screenshots-0909-5.jpg

I commend PD for bringing Console sim racing closer to PC sim racing, instead of that need for speed (what was it called again?) wanna be nonsense.

And atleast PD are also honest for stating the amount of unique tracks in the game, not this 100 tracks nonsense. I don't own a ps3... but i own common sense!

[moppenheimer]

Pitting strategy is about using creativity to outwit your opponents. Only those with horrible attention span couldnt appreciate such a thing.

In a game with 5 lap races, you don't need strategy...and to add to what Empty said, pit strategy is what ruined f1, and if you can't pass on track you don't deserve the position

[breached]

In a game with 5 lap races, you don't need strategy...and to add to what Empty said, pit strategy is what ruined f1, and if you can't pass on track you don't deserve the position

90% of the time i hotlap in gtr 2. The other 10% i do ATLEAST a ONE HOUR race... ;)


60 cars in a 5 lap race... STUPID. 60 cars in a 50 lap race... PURE EXCITEMENT.

[moppenheimer]

90% of the time i hotlap in gtr 2. The other 10% i do ATLEAST a ONE HOUR race... ;)


60 cars in a 5 lap race... STUPID. 60 cars in a 50 lap race... PURE EXCITEMENT.

Yea, but that's GTR2 not Forza or GT5, the majority console crowd hardly cares about endurance racing...or has the patience:laugh:

[Empty Box]

I can assure you forza 3 looks NOTHING like that image you posted ingame.

k3ntegra - GTFO Troll. If you love GT so much, why post in a Forza thread?

Pit strategy has it's place, but it isnt on a console. And BTW - GT4 also had zero strategy, what makes you think they've changed it this time around? How about the tires that have lasted ~10 laps in EVERY GT game?

The year is an estimation. If it comes out March in Japan, tack on another 6 mos for everywhere else. It's gone down that way more or less since GT3.

BTW, newsflash - humans have spines. There is NO way anyones head would move asd violently as it does in nearly every sim to date.

[breached]

I can assure you forza 3 looks NOTHING like that image you posted ingame.

k3ntegra - GTFO Troll. If you love GT so much, why post in a Forza thread?

Pit strategy has it's place, but it isnt on a console. And BTW - GT4 also had zero strategy, what makes you think they've changed it this time around? How about the tires that have lasted ~10 laps in EVERY GT game?

The year is an estimation. If it comes out March in Japan, tack on another 6 mos for everywhere else. It's gone down that way more or less since GT3.

BTW, newsflash - humans have spines. There is NO way anyones head would move asd violently as it does in nearly every sim to date.


You're a degenerate inbred who can't defend his game without throwing baseless insults. Now go back and play your xbox live, 12 year old. It doesn't take a ps3 owner to know Gt5 will be the superior SIM racing game. No wonder i left the Forza motor sport.net forums. Nothing but fanboys snorting Microsoft's kool aid.

BTW i own an xbox 360 and plan on selling it soon.

[Empty Box]

You're a degenerate imbred who can't defend his game without throwing baseless insults. Now go back and play your xbox live, 12 year old. It doesn't take a ps3 owner to know Gt5 will be the superior SIM racing game.

Baseless insults? Hmm. Okay. YOUR the one trolling a Forza thread only posting the "greatness" that will be GT5.

Pahleese. You yourself have said you haven't played EITHER, so who in the heck are you to judge either game?

Sim? Not even close on either front. I commend GT for what they are trying to do (And that is honestly match Forza which was ahead on the physics front by miles before GT5P - If you say GT4 had better physics than Forza had you are an idiot. Fact.)

Yes, I hate GT so much. That is why I own and love every game prior to GT5P. I've been here, done that. How about GTPSP that has been delayed for HOW LONG? Fact is there WILL be a delay until everywhere but Japan gets GT5. Where did I bad mouth GT? Where are the baseless insults?

Fact is your the only 12 year old here. Every post by you has been about how great GT5 is, nothing else.

BTW, Fuel strategy is basically only important in oval racing and Formula 1. Oval racing ONLY at the end due to cautions, which neither have to my knowledge (yet). Not very important for the races BOTH games will be simulating.

Off to iRacing.

[breached]

Baseless insults? Hmm. Okay. YOUR the one trolling a Forza thread only posting the "greatness" that will be GT5.

Pahleese. You yourself have said you haven't played EITHER, so who in the heck are you to judge either game?

Sim? Not even close on either front. I commend GT for what they are trying to do (And that is honestly match Forza which was ahead on the physics front by miles before GT5P - If you say GT4 had better physics than Forza had you are an idiot. Fact.)

Yes, I hate GT so much. That is why I own and love every game prior to GT5P. I've been here, done that. How about GTPSP that has been delayed for HOW LONG? Fact is there WILL be a delay until everywhere but Japan gets GT5. Where did I bad mouth GT? Where are the baseless insults?

Fact is your the only 12 year old here. Every post by you has been about how great GT5 is, nothing else.

BTW, Fuel strategy is basically only important in oval racing and Formula 1. Oval racing ONLY at the end due to cautions, which neither have to my knowledge (yet). Not very important for the races BOTH games will be simulating.

Off to iRacing.

Going by the features that have been confirmed for both games, GT5 has the ones that are much closer to SIM racing. Of course Gt4 isn't better than forza. Gt5 is actually innovating and bringing something to console gaming. While Forza relies on its 60 fps reason. If you want a game with lots of production cars and lets you put body kits and decals on it and don't really care about the racing experience then F3 is probably your cup of tea. For me, not quite.

Oh, and why has Audi won 24h of LeMans atleast 5 times?

[Empty Box]

Going by the features that have been confirmed for both games, GT5 has the ones that are much closer to SIM racing. Of course Gt4 isn't better than forza. Gt5 is actually innovating and bringing something to console gaming. While Forza relies on its 60 fps reason. If you want a game with lots of production cars and lets you put body kits and decals on it and don't really care about the racing experience then F3 is probably your cup of tea. For me, not quite.

Oh, and why has Audi won 24h of LeMans atleast 5 times?

So you must come in HERE and bash Forza. Okay. Sure. Sure GT5 supposedly will be closer, but WE don't know right now. The finished product is no where near here yet. Especially when it's quite apperent you havent even played the demo of Forza3. GTp is IRRELEVENT, as it is not GT5, and we all know this. Its simply to tide you over until they finally release it, and in no way will likely represent the final product.

Both of them will vastely raise the bar, but NEITHER is anywhere near full sim. If it isn't full sim, why worry about it TRYING to be a full sim? I will enjoy BOTH racing experience's, yet you've already written off Forza, your loss. Again, judging without actually trying. If your a 360 owner, it is the best option, clearly. If you have a PS3, just wait for GT5. Have both, pick em both up as both will be amazing.

Personally, I think GT is missing out due to lack of customization on the cars. If they do it like they seem to have it in the Demo of Forza 3 (as in it looks as if you can turn any car into a race car full on) I will be happy. GT lost that coolness when they ditched the Racing Modification.

Neither one will deliver a tremendous racing experience. Face it, AI in consoles is laughably slow. Race humans, and you can through racing experience out the door, as neither one will offer anything different (Except perhaps more cars in GT5, if you can run a full grid online) from the other, it will change from room to room with who you are racing against. If your talking about the structures of the race, again, who knows?

They are both Psuedosims, no different than Shift, no different than previous installments of their series. Both have their drawbacks, but both are VERY viable options for console racing with a touch of realism. Stop acting like they are sims, as they quite clearly aren't.

Your whining about one or two "Would like to have" features, not a single thing you've mentioned has been a dealbreaker for THIS market. Fuel strategy? Not needed in a CONSOLE racing game where your longest race will likely be ~1 or 2 hours by yourself. If you rely on strategy your doing something wrong, this ISN'T GTR2.

And when I'm upfront, 8 or 16 cars really doesn't matter to me. Alot more has been made of that then really needs to be. Considering that in GT4 I won something like 99.4% of my races, and in Forza 2 something like ~90% offline, doesn't really matter. Online grid sizes, well, just more idiots who will wreck you in all honesty. Again, quality over quantity of people racing against.

And BTW, Audi has won all the Le Mans pre-908 on simply having THE best car with the best drivers. What was the R8's competition, A FRONT Engined Panoz (Awesome car, but Front engine proto's are at a disadvantage), and then a Pescarolo? Okay, then the Green painted Hardtop R8, and then finally they ran into the 908 when they had a head start on the R10. Coupled with the fact that their cars are and have always been tanks, it has nothing to do with "fuel strategy". Being able to fix your car and not making errors on track is FAR from strategy.

[ALEXZANDER]

Ok guys, lets not start a bloody flame war about 2 games that havent been realsed yet. If you are that obsessed about realism, play GTR2 it has a bit more realism than any console game to date. Console games are ment to be FUN. to play, and also pretty to look at, epsecially with todays eyecandy graphics. Plain and simple, gmaes in general are ment to be FUN. That is why we mere humans invented video games, as for a source of FUN. Weather they be played on a PC, Mac, or console, they are ment in all point and purpose to be FUN. Nothing more.

[breached]

And when I'm upfront, 8 or 16 cars really doesn't matter to me. Alot more has been made of that then really needs to be. Considering that in GT4 I won something like 99.4% of my races, and in Forza 2 something like ~90% offline, doesn't really matter. Online grid sizes, well, just more idiots who will wreck you in all honesty. Again, quality over quantity of people racing against.

I think you just lost all your cred there as a sim racer. its 8 cars only not "16 or so". PD is thinking about adding Day night system in their game. what has forza done? rewind feature? grid did it. Body kits on cars? nfs: underground did it. Cockpit view (yet so close to the steering wheel due to the 60fps exucuse, the main reason they added this because gt5 p had it)? PGR3 did it. paint jobs? need for speed underground did it. 400 cars and what 30 UNIQUE tracks? Gt4 did it.

Forza 3 brings nothing new to the console racing genre period. Gt5 has the potential to do just that, revolutionize CONSOLE racing. Get that through your skull.


Console games are ment to be FUN.

Then why did Gran turismo 3 (which came out in 2001 way before gtr) sell 15 million units? yet it was challenging. I've had more fun in GTR2 than anyother racing game period.. Former forza 2 online player here.

[Empty Box]

I think you just lost all your cred there as a sim racer. its 8 cars only not "16 or so". PD is thinking about adding Day night system in their game. what has forza done? rewind feature? grid did it. Body kits on cars? nfs: underground did it. Cockpit view (yet so close to the steering wheel due to the 60fps exucuse, the main reason they added this because gt5 p had it)? PGR3 did it. paint jobs? need for speed underground did it. 400 cars and what 30 UNIQUE tracks? Gt4 did it.

Forza 3 brings nothing new to the console racing genre period. Gt5 has the potential to do just that, revolutionize CONSOLE racing. Get that through your skull.

Then why did Gran turismo 3 (which came out in 2001 way before gtr) sell 15 million units? yet it was challenging. I've had more fun in GTR2 than anyother racing game period.. Former forza 2 online player here.

Wait, I lose credibility because being in front of 8 cars is different than being in front of 16? Excuse me, you must not be running up front to often then. Plus, as we have seen before in EVERY GT game to date the AI is laughable at best. Atleast Forza's AI is somewhat passable. One would think that GT5 should be better, but doesn't look as it will.

No, GT5 doesn't have the potential to revolutionize anything. All it is is a refinement upon all the previous GT games, which is no more revolutionary than any game before it. Same thing as Forza. NOTHING is revolutionary at all on either game.

Day to night transitions? Heh, Test Drive Le Mans did that a LONG while ago, more recently in the Le Mans 24h Game (It was on PS2, back in ~2001, PS2 launch) Damage? Been done. Speaking of which, how about your precious GT5? Damage on select cars? Where are these revolutionary features? There isn't any, simply its the pinnacle of evolution of their respective series' to date.

Fact is regarding that PD was working on it back after GT1, supposedly for GT2. Never happened. Damage in GT3 supposedly, never happened. Same thing in GT4. And now, in GT5, FINALLY, we get it half assed. How about the paint shop and customization that was planned early in the GT4 development? Regarding Forza and cockpits, I'm 99% sure that was planned since after Forza 2. But, if you want to play the copycat game, GT ripped the idea of Damage. After all, plenty of other games had cockpits before that, but you hail GTp as the start of it all, so, Forza invented damage.

You clearly have no idea of what your talking about. Forza 2 had NO cockpit view, yet you think it had a Shift animation? You infered that Forza 3 looked like that shot you posted, when in fact the game looks NOTHING like that. You quite clearly are trolling, and that is all. Claims backed up with nothing, name calling, and quite clearly not reading posts before posting. I find it funny that I quite clearly am endorsing the quality that will be both products yet you absolutely fail to miss that. Fanboy much?

You sure do have alot of blind faith for a group who has stated about 5 different release dates now. How about GTPSP? Fact is that both games will come out, but again, you will see nothing but quality, but you sure won't see revolution. There hasn't been a revolution since GT1 way back in the day.

Please, continue your rampant Forza bashing.

Btw, it sold so much because it came in a PS2 bundle. Just like why do you think Wii sports is the top selling game of all time now? Bundle sales, simply as that. Yes it sold a boat load of copies, but not nearly as standalone as you seem to think. And GT3 was piss easy btw.

[ravenmorpheus2k]

Get yer facts straight. MS has done that for a LONG while, and you will get the demo. Only thing is with the Gold sub you get your hands on it sooner. Ya know, they are trying to give you a reason to get you to pay for it and be insulted by racist 12 year olds. As in making feel as if your paying for online gaming you get something usable in return. :laugh:

Which is why I asked when did they start doing it?

I've never noticed any demos being gold exclusives and I've downloaded a number of demos before the final games have come out without having a gold account iirc, MoH Airborne, GRiD to name two.

So excuse me but I didn't state any facts, I asked a question. I just missed the ? after the !. :P

I have noticed that Wolfensteins demo is also not available on a silver account, but even so the practice of making a demo only available to gold account holders sucks, demos have traditionally been free and by making them gold only they are effectively charging you for them.

But anyhoo I got paid today and I have just about enough spare cash after bills and all that for a 1 month gold account so I'll be dl'ing the Forza 3 demo shortly, I hope it's worth it...

BTW - I agree with what's been said in reply to k3ntegra. This is a Forza 3 thread not a GT5>Forza 3 thread.

EDIT: Had a go of the demo, can't say that I'm all that impressed. The graphics look like a slightly improved Forza 2, but that could just be down to the track, not that I was expecting much of an improvement as FM2 looked good anyway. The cockpit view is nice although it is a bit dark in the Flying Lizards Porsche (only car I've tried so far) and the cars drive pretty much the same as they did in FM2 imo.

I really do hope the full game is better, for one thing I don't particularly like the white background on the car selection screen and other menus, I hope that's just there for the demo.

[breached]

You clearly have no idea of what your talking about. Forza 2 had NO cockpit view, yet you think it had a Shift animation? You infered that Forza 3 looked like that shot you posted, when in fact the game looks NOTHING like that. You quite clearly are trolling, and that is all. Claims backed up with nothing, name calling, and quite clearly not reading posts before posting. I find it funny that I quite clearly am endorsing the quality that will be both products yet you absolutely fail to miss that. Fanboy much?



In replays you can clearly see the driver move his hand to the gear shifter, through the wind shield. I don't even own a Ps3. So no, i'm not a fanboy.

[ALEXZANDER]

This thread is really going nowhere so I think it is time for::lock:

[freejrs]

:laugh:

[zud the spud]

You clearly have no idea of what your talking about. Forza 2 had NO cockpit view, yet you think it had a Shift animation? You infered that Forza 3 looked like that shot you posted, when in fact the game looks NOTHING like that. You quite clearly are trolling, and that is all. Claims backed up with nothing, name calling, and quite clearly not reading posts before posting. I find it funny that I quite clearly am endorsing the quality that will be both products yet you absolutely fail to miss that. Fanboy much?

I know for sure there was a handbrake animation you could see through the windows, i'm not sure about a shift animation. On this point, you are wrong.

[vrmx]

This thread is really going nowhere so I think it is time for::lock:
I'm feeling this too.

Unless the 2 guys have settled down now...

[Empty Box]

I know for sure there was a handbrake animation you could see through the windows, i'm not sure about a shift animation. On this point, you are wrong.

I thought he was talking about as in a cockpit view. I havent paid that much attention to replays, but I do wonder now if that is there in F3.

@Raven - It's usually on the big 360 exclusive games and other big games that they do that.

The steering does feel a little sluggish, which is half the battle IMO with it. Then again, speeding it up does make bigger inputs, which would after all lead to the car being more over steer prone. I dunno, it had that GTR2 feel to me, but then again I've seen time and time again my views and thoughts on GTR2 is alot different than most people seem to have. It has that feeling as if your rolling the sidewall over so to speak. It's like when you start sliding you sorta feel the car come up and get sideways rather than just skidding.

I dunno.

[Roush9]

I didn't read the two flame wars, but if GT5 handles like GT5P, then it can't be called a sim, it'll be called CRAP just like NFS shit. Forza2 was fun, but the fun factor ran out after the 3rd or 4th race racing at exactly the same stupid track. Btw I beat Forza2 and GT5p + GT4, own both an xbox 360 and PS3, so don't give me any "OMG UR POST R SOOO BIASSSEDDDDD FANBOIIIIIII!!!!11!11!1" either.

Both games need to pick it up because like I said, the fun factor wears out quick.

[ALEXZANDER]

Forza 3 demo is now free on live, downloading it now.

[glasgowman]

oh god forza 3 set to have the lola b06 and its paintable

http://www.virtualr.net/forza-motorsport-3-lola-bmw-koenigsegg-previews/#comments

[freejrs]

Forza 3 demo is now free on live, downloading it now.

It's been up for over a week now mate. In the 5th post of this thread someone states it is available. Seeing as you made this thread I am somewhat confused as to how you missed it!;-):laugh:

[glasgowman]

It's been up for over a week now mate. In the 5th post of this thread someone states it is available. Seeing as you made this thread I am somewhat confused as to how you missed it!;-):laugh:

to busy playing shift :-D

[ravenmorpheus2k]

It's been up for over a week now mate. In the 5th post of this thread someone states it is available. Seeing as you made this thread I am somewhat confused as to how you missed it!;-):laugh:

He's saying it's now available without having a gold account.

Typical, I just bought a 1 month sub and dl'd the demo! :rolleyes:

[freejrs]

He's saying it's now available without having a gold account.

Typical, I just bought a 1 month sub and dl'd the demo! :rolleyes:

Oh right, sorry then guy.

I did not know that was possible to get demos without a Gold account.

[ALEXZANDER]

well, I have my complaints about the demo:

#1 camera is way to close to the steering wheel in cockpit view.
#2 you cant look around, in cockpit view.
#3 interior isnt of the quality is in shift.

other than that is seems ok, cant be for sure until i play the full game though.

[PukaMan86]

Yeah GT5P = You can still turn even when you've locked the brakes. I sure hope to god GT5 fixes that, because Forza didn't do that even in its first iteration.

[zud the spud]

Anybody else think it's Ironic that all 3 forza motorsport games will have came out since the last Gran Turismo? I doubt GT5 will sell more copies than all three Forza games put together. Their sluggishness in terms of a release can't be good for business. I think GT5 is just there to bait people into buying a PS3, but I think they would have attracted more people if they released the game 2 years ago...

[gavkiwi]

Anybody else think it's Ironic that all 3 forza motorsport games will have came out since the last Gran Turismo? I doubt GT5 will sell more copies than all three Forza games put together. Their sluggishness in terms of a release can't be good for business. I think GT5 is just there to bait people into buying a PS3, but I think they would have attracted more people if they released the game 2 years ago...

I think its safe to say with ur avatar that u are a forza fan boi, and thats fine.

The first thing I did when I bought my PS3 was download Gran Turimso HD demo, and it was def worth the price of admission.

I guess you could say I am a GT fan boi :laugh:

I have played forza 1 & 2 to death, and played the forza 3 demo, but I always keep coming back to GT

[KittX]

Just seen the carlist...
1990 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z
1987 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am GTA

1974 Lancia Stratos HF Stradale

HELL YEAH!!!!

[gavkiwi]

Just seen the carlist...
1990 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z
1987 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am GTA

1974 Lancia Stratos HF Stradale

HELL YEAH!!!!

I noticed at VirtualR

that the pre COT Dodge Charger, Ford Fusion & Chevy Montecarlo are in Forza 3

hmmm

wonder if this means they will be customizable paint jobs, shame the field is set to just 8 cars, still the design possibilites are endless if they are paintable, and by looking at the plain silver cars, Im betting they are.

[IWE]

well, I have my complaints about the demo:

#1 camera is way to close to the steering wheel in cockpit view.
#2 you cant look around, in cockpit view.
#3 interior isnt of the quality is in shift.

other than that is seems ok, cant be for sure until i play the full game though.


Yeah my first impression were quite same, but I most say view is atleast nicely driveable unlike in most of console games (and I like appearance of it).

And you can also look around in cockpit view. You just have to move right "hat" of controller also forward when turning it. ;-)

[Empty Box]

BMW M1 and BOTH ACR Viper's? Sign me up!

So what is this VIP package thing? Not the collectors edition, but the other cars.

[KittX]

I noticed at VirtualR

that the pre COT Dodge Charger, Ford Fusion & Chevy Montecarlo are in Forza 3

hmmm



i just love the 3rd gen of f-body, for me they both had almost perfect shapes. (for musclecars).
And i'm glad that '79 z-28 is also included in pack, a little shame that they havnt include the '79-'81 Trans Am, it is very beautiful beastie aswell.

[ravenmorpheus2k]

BMW M1 and BOTH ACR Viper's? Sign me up!

So what is this VIP package thing? Not the collectors edition, but the other cars.

Wait about 6 months to a year and Turn 10 will release them as normal DLC, they have done with the other "special" cars.

[Empty Box]

Wait about 6 months to a year and Turn 10 will release them as normal DLC, they have done with the other "special" cars.

Pretty much. Wasn't going to spring for it anyways (Auction house I never used, only car that intrests me is the ZR1, and if we have a ACR Viper, well.... Who needs that thing?)

[ravenmorpheus2k]

Pretty much. Wasn't going to spring for it anyways (Auction house I never used, only car that intrests me is the ZR1, and if we have a ACR Viper, well.... Who needs that thing?)

Yeah I'm not even sure I'm buying the game. The demo wasn't all that inspiring imo.

And when I only play with my 360 for a couple of months (ish) a year I am not sure I can justify buying a new game for it.

I might wait to see if they release a GOTY version next year with some of the DLC cars (we all know they have some planned even if there aren't any details out about them yet) and see what the painting community come up with in the meantime.

Personally I'm sick of DLC I just want to buy a game with the cars and tracks already in the game as I doubt any of them aren't game ready before they release the game...

DLC for Fallout 3 was different because it actually added a few quests and kept the game going for a while, racing games can't do that unless they add new championships imo.

OT - I won't be buying GT on the PSP now either, it doesn't have a proper GT Career mode like the normal GT games from what I read over at gamespot, it's basically just a game where you buy cars, go do singe race events against the AI, earn some money, go buy some more cars if you want. Big letdown. :thumbdown:

[zud the spud]

I think its safe to say with ur avatar that u are a forza fan boi, and thats fine.

The first thing I did when I bought my PS3 was download Gran Turimso HD demo, and it was def worth the price of admission.

I guess you could say I am a GT fan boi :laugh:

I have played forza 1 & 2 to death, and played the forza 3 demo, but I always keep coming back to GT

I'm a fanboy but not as bad as most :)

I would thoroughly enjoy playing Gran Turismo 5. I'm sure it has hundreds of hours of game play. BUT, I would rather be playing the new Forza game because of the Community I know goes with it, the customisation and the drifting.

At the end of the day it comes down to what you want from your console racer: Hundreds of hundreds of cars around the worlds best tracks in stunning graphics, or hundreds of your cars running around the worlds best tracks in slightly less stunning graphics.

If Forza didn't have the customisation of ridiculous proportions, I would be all over Gran Turismo. But, the customisation and the community that comes with that are the difference for me.

P.S. I wasn't trying to be a fanboy in my previous post, It's just that the Gran Turismo Business model doesn't make sense to me.

P.P.S. GiantBomb uploaded a half an hour quick look: http://www.giantbomb.com/quick-look-forza-motorsport-3/17-1475/

[zud the spud]

IGN Video Review:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmjU6ONhaNk

9.4/10. The only drawback was the difficulty jump from medium to hard, says the reviewer.

[freejrs]

9.4/10. The only drawback was the difficulty jump from medium to hard, says the reviewer.

If it is like in the demo that will be from very, very easy to just very easy.

[MadNitroBooster]

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/review-forza-motorsport/57471
Review

I'm going to buy it

[Doug Spinster]

Here is a little video I just whipped up early this morning.

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j113/lllkailll/GAmetrailers Racing Faction/f3tc.jpg (http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=qjC-1pHPubY)

[ravenmorpheus2k]

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/review-forza-motorsport/57471
Review

I'm going to buy it

Hmm after watching that video review I think I might reconsider. But I was hoping they were not going with the white background and new menu system, the one in FM2 was fine, and if it ain't broke...

[MadNitroBooster]

Why the relase it next week in europe. Why? I want it now!

[gavkiwi]

http://www.virtualr.net/forza-motorsport-3-full-car-track-showroom-gallery/


Full Forza 3 gallery listed here, the custom skin possibilities are gonna be awesome 8-)

all 415 cars, some really nice looking models

[ravenmorpheus2k]

http://www.virtualr.net/forza-motorsport-3-full-car-track-showroom-gallery/


Full Forza 3 gallery listed here, the custom skin possibilities are gonna be awesome 8-)

all 415 cars, some really nice looking models

Nice, they've got tons of LMPs and the Circuit De La Sarthe, both new and old, and the Nords. :thumbup:

Real shame they don't have a race version of the Ford GT (or GT40) though, but I guess they couldn't get permission form Matech or anyone else that runs them, if they even asked. :(

Only 8 cars per race is a bit of a letdown though but no worse than FM2.

[Empty Box]

I'm disappointed in the looks of the new Viper ACR. They somehow made the thing look like a monster truck. :(

[gavkiwi]

doesnt look like a monster truck in GT5

http://www.gtpla.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/viper-acr-small.jpg

:-P

[ravenmorpheus2k]

doesnt look like a monster truck in a photoshopped pic from GT5


Fixed. :P

Besides GT5 isn't on the Xbox 360.

Personally I think the Viper looks ok in those FM3 car list screen shots over at VirtualR.

[gavkiwi]

Fixed. :P

Besides GT5 isn't on the Xbox 360.

Personally I think the Viper looks ok in those FM3 car list screen shots over at VirtualR.

hehe, nice

FM3 is looking very cool, I could easily find myself painting cars for hours upon hours, rather than actually driving & racing, much like I did with FM2.

With GT5, I do believe that shot is in game, not pre-rendered

[hoboholic]

All GT5 shots are unedited from ingame screenshots...
If you have played GT5p then you see the blur as it is in the pic. Replays show this perfectly. :up:

[PukaMan86]

Forza 3 Review by Inside Sim Racing with Fanatec 911 Turbo S wheel:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VID_ndJJ3pI

[gavkiwi]

did anyone notice in the warm up for the Bathurst 1000 when crompty was talking to Skaife about the mountain and the weather, that in the pit stall for the #51 Sprint Gas V8 Team, they had a samsung flat screen playing a replay of the #51 car running a replay lap in Forza 3 at Catalunya circuit, it looked fantastic, the camera angles were just amazing.

At first I thought it was the RL car, then I realized this car is in FM3, & it was a game.

[Empty Box]

Fixed. :P

Besides GT5 isn't on the Xbox 360.

Personally I think the Viper looks ok in those FM3 car list screen shots over at VirtualR.

But your not a Viper fanatic. It did look fine in the side view selector thing at the top menu bar though, Perhaps it's just the angle is VERY low in the showroom.

[ravenmorpheus2k]

No I'm not a viper fanatic. And yes it probably is just the angle in the showroom.

[zud the spud]

Giant Bomb Video review:
http://www.giantbomb.com/forza-3-video-review/17-1507/

I preordered mine this evening, I'm going to be away most of next weekend though so i'm hardly going to get to play it until monday 26th :(

[zud the spud]

:banana::unf::banana: Preorder has been dispatched! Hopefully it will come tomorrow and not when the posty's on strike.

[ravenmorpheus2k]

Should do. I just got confirmation of my Win 7 retail disk being shipped, Amazon are using the Home Delivery Network guys. They might be doing the same for all orders.

[Liquid4653]

Hi All,

Sim lovers will not like this game, as a console racer it is very good.

I have had a blat round with a Ferrari F50GT with all assists off and ai the highest they would go and they simply do not offer any real competition, and the car is far too easy to drive around the track too:crying:

Just my 2 cents worth and I am gutted, although I do have better alternatives anyways.

[hoboholic]

Im a hardcore sim lover....but I still loved Forza 2. I might get Forza 3 after I get other games on my list and if I have money.

Its a racing game, I enjoy all racing games, so I will enjoy Forza 3 ;)

[bibbish]

Special Edtion is arriving tommorow.....i planned a week of vacation.....im glad forza is sticking to there release date (LOL) Not like GT

[freejrs]

Special Edtion is arriving tommorow.....i planned a week of vacation.....im glad forza is sticking to there release date (LOL) Not like GT

Have you seen the graphics in GT5?? It will be well worth the wait.:thumbup: Id rather they finish it properly than just release a pile of crap......saying that maybe that is why they have not released it yet.....becasue it has turned out to be a steaming pile of poo. :lol:

Doubt it.

[bibbish]

Yes i know, the grapisch are stunning, Its almost real. But come on , This is a discussion i rather dont have. Gt5 is great but limited do alter your car. Whit forza you can do anything whit your car. For me Ill buy gt5 to , But i hate the delays from PF.

[zud the spud]

Yes i know, the grapisch are stunning, Its almost real. But come on , This is a discussion i rather dont have. Gt5 is great but limited do alter your car. Whit forza you can do anything whit your car. For me Ill buy gt5 to , But i hate the delays from PF.

To be fair to polyphony they never officially announced a release date, In fact the only release date there is now is for Japanese release. Hence it never got delayed.

[ALEXZANDER]

If everyone else has to wait longer than the japs, we better get a better version of the game.

[gavkiwi]

If everyone else has to wait longer than the japs, we better get a better version of the game.


rather derogatory dont you think?

FWIW, I am pretty sure it will be the same, but in English

[Empty Box]

If everyone else has to wait longer than the japs, we better get a better version of the game.

You will wait, and chances are it will just include one or two bugfixes that will have been released via a patch now that you can update games much more easily.

[zud the spud]

My Forza 3 was delivered today... but nobody was home! It's back at the post office and since the post office is on Strike I can't go and get it on Saturday... But I'm not here on saturday! I have arranged it to be redelivered on monday, and I'm away all weekend so it's not that much of a loss.

[ALEXZANDER]

I never have anything delivered. I prefer to get in car, drive to store, pickup what I want, then drive back home to use it.

[zud the spud]

I never have anything delivered. I prefer to get in car, drive to store, pickup what I want, then drive back home to use it.

Me too, but it's that much cheaper if I buy it online, and it's not as if I would have been able to play it this weekend anyway. Really all I'm missing out on is Friday's play so I can't be too pissed off.

[Roush9]

Tried the demo last night and I've gotta say, not really impressed at all. Feels pretty similar to FM2. I won't be picking this one up till it's at about $10.

[ALEXZANDER]

Im gettiing it, just to have it in the collection.

[bibbish]

I thought ill get mt forza SE yesterday but they till tommorow , Damn !!

[BYF1]

Been playing this for last couple of days, should be called Forza 2.1 rather than 3.

It's like playing Forza 2 again most of the time with slightly better graphics, only two new real world locations and some new mostly horrible fantasy tracks.

Physics are almost identical to FM2, and the online side of FM3 is a cut down version with no custom public lobbies or car tuning, you cannot search for or join a public game with no assists etc, this can only be done in private lobbies with people on friends list. FM2 had a better online system.

[jumper5836]

Been playing this for last couple of days, should be called Forza 2.1 rather than 3.

It's like playing Forza 2 again most of the time with slightly better graphics, only two new real world locations and some new mostly horrible fantasy tracks.

Physics are almost identical to FM2, and the online side of FM3 is a cut down version with no custom public lobbies or car tuning, you cannot search for or join a public game with no assists etc, this can only be done in private lobbies with people on friends list. FM2 had a better online system.

What are the new 2 new real world tracks?

I can't believe that the online hosting options have been cut. That was the best thing about FM2 I only wish they expanded on it even more.

Do you now have options when going into the pits. Can Aero damage now be fixed?

Sounds very disappointing.

[Raveologist]

What are the new 2 new real world tracks

Catalunya and le Mans

I can't believe that the online hosting options have been cut. That was the best thing about FM2 I only wish they expanded on it even more.


Neither can I. The march towards dumbing down every single game for the 'casual gamers' and their money goes relentlessly on.

Do you now have options when going into the pits. Can Aero damage now be fixed?

No and No. Engines can still be fixed in seconds but replacing aero parts is beyond the Forza pit crew.

Sounds very disappointing.

It is.

[DoMw94]

I have it!! Its amazing! btw if anyone wants a honda civic that does 192 MPH with a very accurate johnny herbert btcc skin let me know and I may consider selling or swapping for a good price

[zud the spud]

I have it!! Its amazing! btw if anyone wants a honda civic that does 192 MPH with a very accurate johnny herbert btcc skin let me know and I may consider selling or swapping for a good price

rofl mah waffles :P

I have a drift Subaru Impreza, I only had a few goes with it but got 114k at Fujimi Kaido. Loving the game, If you didn't like forza 2 you prolly won't like this, I loved Forza 2 and this improves on everything (Except for amaybe online? I haven't tried it yet). Graphics, Sound, Physics, Customisation, AI, many more tracks, Everything. It's brilliant. I won't be taking it out of my tray for a long long time.

[Bluestar]

I'm enjoying it. It's an improvement on Forza 3 and as far as i can tell has really pushed the 360 to its limits while keeping the frame rate above 60fps (which has to be applauded) It's only let down by a couple of duff tracks and an ai which is beatable on its highest settings. Overall though i really like it.

7/10

Also my car is slower in the game than it is real life. Which is odd.

[jumper5836]

Catalunya and le Mans



Neither can I. The march towards dumbing down every single game for the 'casual gamers' and their money goes relentlessly on.



No and No. Engines can still be fixed in seconds but replacing aero parts is beyond the Forza pit crew.



It is.

Well I only really care about the online aspect, guess this is why I still feel GTR2 is the best sim out there. Just wished it had the graphices of GT5 or NFS shift.
I played FM2 a lot. No assists and a wheel racer. Guess they just lost another hard core sim racer by not supporting us.

[zud the spud]

Just bought this off the storefront. Probably one of the best replica's I've ever seen in a forza game and I got it for 10k credits!

[Raveologist]

Just bought this off the storefront. Probably one of the best replica's I've ever seen in a forza game and I got it for 10k credits!

That is nice! Apparently there is a 10,000 credit cap on anything in the storefront at the moment, so everything is that cheap :thumbup:

[SnakeEyes]

Well FM3 should be in my hands today. I loved the demo, and finally I get to drive a fox body mustang on a console.

[zud the spud]

That is nice! Apparently there is a 10,000 credit cap on anything in the storefront at the moment, so everything is that cheap :thumbup:

Great for consumers, not so great for the content creators, I'm not going to spend long times making good designs until it goes.

The storefront is brilliant, I don't have to keep uploading cars to the auction house to make money. I've made a load already (>200k) for no loss. It's great.

[Raveologist]

Great for consumers, not so great for the content creators, I'm not going to spend long times making good designs until it goes.

The storefront is brilliant, I don't have to keep uploading cars to the auction house to make money. I've made a load already (>200k) for no loss. It's great.

I read its just a temporary thing until they are sure the 'economy' isn't getting out of control like it did on 2. Will apparently be removed soon :thumbup:

[ALEXZANDER]

I got FM3 for Xbox, and have been playing for about 30 minutes. The interior view sucks, sense you cant look around the cockpit, like in shift. The UI however is Miles haead of shift, It is Bright and easy to use.

[zud the spud]

I got FM3 for Xbox, and have been playing for about 30 minutes. The interior view sucks, sense you cant look around the cockpit, like in shift. The UI however is Miles haead of shift, It is Bright and easy to use.

You can look around the cockpit in the X axis, you can't in the Y. I think it's so they only have to render the hands of the driver.

and I agree, the UI is very neat.

[jumper5836]

Well I went out and bought it. I picked up the LCE version. Since I read on the forums that the 2007 GT3 RS is only in the LCE version and not available to buy even as DLC with the standard edition and you need to be VIP to have one.

Since this is the car I mostly use, I had to go and spend the extra $30 CDN for it.



Feature added

They fixed some things with multiplayer (private rooms).

Now you can choose the amount of laps in increments of 1 up to 50, or choose to run a race by a time limit.

Many more game type options.

There are more increments to restrict cars by hp now.



All those things are greatly appreciated



Missing Features

Lots of things were not added.

Like the ability to run RWD and FWD cars at the same time and block out AWD cards.

Same goes for Mid, Front and Rear engined cars.

They did not add an option to host a race and restrict to wheel controllers only.

They do not have an option to host a race and restrict to clutch only.



Public Multiplayer Ranked Racing

The public online multiplayer is totally useless. You just basically have no options and get sent into a race. You have no way to change any of assists or car restrictions. I did read on the forum it was like this for now because they want to make if fair for all the new players and casual players. They may change it later. I don't know but I will boycott any public matches until it is fixed.

Lots of our old FM2 wheel friends online. Only way to play real racing is to join them in a private lobby.



The useless Pits

They have not done anything with the pits. Basically they fix your car, fuel up and fix tires. They still don't fix your aero damage and there is no option to get just fuel or tires. Basically this is this area it is exactly the same as FM2.



Graphics Improvements

The cockpit view is very usable. Defiantly not as nice of an interior detail as Shift but it is useable. Mirrors are nice and usable.

Background details, Sky textures have improved. The track surface textures have improved.

Close up to opponent cars, there is a lot of improvement over FM2 on detail, light and shadows.

Track details like curbs have improved. Trees look better but the leaves still look artificial.



Graphics downsides

FM2 ran smooth. No jagged edges and stuff. FM3 looks more like Race Pro ( a tad nicer where I mentioned in the improvements.)

Once opponent cars get father ahead the car details disappear very quickly and it gets fuzzy and greater distances.

Lot of jagged edges around where the track surface and the lines and curbs are.



Overall I think is on par with PS3 version of NFS Shift for graphics.

Sounds

Engine sounds are amazing. Love the GT3 RS

Physics

Well I think they are more improved over FM2. In fact I am running with no assists and it is very easy. To easy now. The demo doesn’t do it justice and isn’t a true reflection of how the cars are handling in the real game. I think the demo’s physics are different then the real game so it could show off the drifting. I am not noticing the big under steer issue I did with the demo.



I have not tuned a car yet. No assists and the brakes don’t lock up that quickly like they did in FM2.




I ran the GT3 RS A class. I found it drivable, doesn’t have the downshift problem where the car locks up.



I ran a lot of the old tracks like Sebring, Road Atlanta among others. Not once have I lost control by driving over curbs or hitting curbs or getting a tire off in the grass. Like I said before I think even assists off the game is too easy. Maybe this will change once I get to more powerful cars, The A class RS is the most powerful car I have right now.



AI

I am not really finding them that bad. I’ve seen them go through corners side by side and I have run through the middle of them without them hitting me. They do bump you sometime entering corners like real players often do.

Medium AI is easier than FM2. Hard is actually not that hard on longer lap races, short races are quite hard since you need to get past them and they do block quite a bit. So the lead car has a big lead and it is hard to catch up to it.



Conclusion

Overall, It is better than FM2. Doesn’t touch Race Pro when it comes to real sim racing with endurance and pit stops.

I rate it 7/10



Rating of the Other comparable games I have:



Race Pro 7/10

FM2 6/10

PGR3 4/10

PGR4 4/10

GTR2 9/10

RACE07/EVO/Race On 8/10

NFS Shift PC 8/10 (with online multiplayer features added this may change)

NFS Shift PS3 7/10

[ALEXZANDER]

In FM3, the sparks from grinding other cras, dont look like sparks, they look like shell casings.:laugh:

[zud the spud]

Just won the Viper ACR and ran it in the Viper track days series, that car has so much grip! Even without traction control I barely ever lost the rear end.

Also, a 1250 HP Bugatti Veyron doing 262 along the Mulsanne straight is insane.

[ongias25]

:?:I got forza 3 tues and played it and was very dissapointed that you cannot change race laps for longer races......hopefully they will make a patch for this.plus only 8 cars on grid.:thumbdown:

[AMAjr455]

:?:I got forza 3 tues and played it and was very disappointed that you cannot change race laps for longer races......hopefully they will make a patch for this.plus only 8 cars on grid.:thumbdown:

I was also very disappointed... with what you mentioned, as well as with the following;

No way to adjust seat position, default way to close
Road Atlanta layout is wrong
Cockpit views look almost 2-D, very poor looking... almost better without if they need a Graphics detail lesson they need to check out NFS SHIFT

Overall the game feels like I'm driving in slow motion! Maybe I need more seat time!

[Suds]

:?:I got forza 3 tues and played it and was very dissapointed that you cannot change race laps for longer races......hopefully they will make a patch for this.plus only 8 cars on grid.:thumbdown:

If you create a private MP race, it will allow you to set as many laps as you want. It also lets you select what cars the AI drives.

I was also very disappointed... with what you mentioned, as well as with the following;

No way to adjust seat position, default way to close
Road Atlanta layout is wrong
Cockpit views look almost 2-D, very poor looking... almost better without if they need a Graphics detail lesson they need to check out NFS SHIFT

Overall the game feels like I'm driving in slow motion! Maybe I need more seat time!

You can adjust the FOV by changing it in the multiscreen settings. I'm using 75. I believe the default is 45. Some claim this causes more jaggies and longer loading times, but so far I like it.

[AMAjr455]

If you create a private MP race, it will allow you to set as many laps as you want. It also lets you select what cars the AI drives.



You can adjust the FOV by changing it in the multiscreen settings. I'm using 75. I believe the default is 45. Some claim this causes more jaggies and longer loading times, but so far I like it.

Wow, I can not connect to the net for multiplayer due to my satellite connection... Thanks for the two great tips.

BTW, when I select the FOV will it stay for career and hot lap modes?

Thanks for the tips, any more please post.
jr

[zud the spud]

I just finished painting Cristijan Albers 2008 DTM Audi, I'm really pleased with it. (Screenie in attachment). I made it so the number 21 was in metalic paint like the real thing.

It's on the storefront along with my version of Adam Caroll's 2007 Audi. (only 3,000 Cr Each!)

[ongias25]

:thumbup:thanks for the info!;-)

[AMAjr455]

You can adjust the FOV by changing it in the multiscreen settings. I'm using 75. I believe the default is 45. Some claim this causes more jaggies and longer loading times, but so far I like it.

Heya Suds, can you please explain here... when I cahnged the values.. game would not load. I'm only running a single screen. PLease tell me how to adjust, thanks
jr

[ravenmorpheus2k]

I just finished painting Cristijan Albers 2008 DTM Audi, I'm really pleased with it. (Screenie in attachment). I made it so the number 21 was in metalic paint like the real thing.

It's on the storefront along with my version of Adam Caroll's 2007 Audi. (only 3,000 Cr Each!)

Oooh nice. Are all the race cars paintable then? Or are the racing aero parts part of a body kit for the road car? Reason I'm asking is I noticed the DBR9 and would very much like to do a Gulf 007/009 version when I get the game.

[zud the spud]

Oooh nice. Are all the race cars paintable then? Or are the racing aero parts part of a body kit for the road car? Reason I'm asking is I noticed the DBR9 and would very much like to do a Gulf 007/009 version when I get the game.

All race cars are fully paintable, you can paint them all one colour, It's not like Forza 2 where you need to apply a large decal to cover the origional livery. It's a real improvement.

[AMAjr455]

You can adjust the FOV by changing it in the multiscreen settings. I'm using 75. I believe the default is 45. Some claim this causes more jaggies and longer loading times, but so far I like it.

Sudds... or anyone get this to work?

Please post how to set:

Multiscreen: on/of ---> On I'm sure
Client or Host option
Screen: Normal, Left, Center, Right, Rear, Replay, etc
Hidden Degrees: XXXX very small settings here
Degrees hidden between screens: ---> large settings (I set to 75)

Every time I set this, or attempt to adjust the multiscreen settings the game locks up :?:

[ravenmorpheus2k]

All race cars are fully paintable, you can paint them all one colour, It's not like Forza 2 where you need to apply a large decal to cover the origional livery. It's a real improvement.

Cool. So you just "spray" it and apply your vinyls. Sounds good. I can spend hours doing cars, mainly because I'm not that good at it. :lol:

I think I'll be buying this to occupy myself on my Xmas week off. I'll bet they don't have a racing version of the Ford GT though...

And I don't suppose they've made it so that you can import liveries from FM2?

Oh and have they cured the layer shift problem that was in FM2?

[Suds]

Sudds... or anyone get this to work?

Please post how to set:

Multiscreen: on/of ---> On I'm sure
Client or Host option
Screen: Normal, Left, Center, Right, Rear, Replay, etc
Hidden Degrees: XXXX very small settings here
Degrees hidden between screens: ---> large settings (I set to 75)

Every time I set this, or attempt to adjust the multiscreen settings the game locks up :?:

Sorry for the delay.
Here are my settings:
Multiscreen=On
Mode=Host
Channel=0
View=Center
Degrees Hidden=0.0 (default)
Degrees Between Screens=75.0

Press "A" and it should prompt you to restart.
Works great for me, but have heard of others having freezing problems if they don't have a network cable plugged in.
I use a wireless adapter and have not have any freezing problems. Hopefully they add a true FOV adjustment in a patch, and we'll not have to use this "trick".

[AMAjr455]

Sorry for the delay.
Here are my settings:
Multiscreen=On
Mode=Host
Channel=0
View=Center
Degrees Hidden=0.0 (default)
Degrees Between Screens=75.0

Press "A" and it should prompt you to restart.
Works great for me, but have heard of others having freezing problems if they don't have a network cable plugged in.
I use a wireless adapter and have not have any freezing problems. Hopefully they add a true FOV adjustment in a patch, and we'll not have to use this "trick".

No Problem... Suds, thanks for the response. Unfortuntely... I can not get an XBox Gold account as I can not race online.... so I only have silver account. Also, I did have network cable plugged in... if you referring to the internet CAT5 cable.

I'll try again... but I did try those settings.

Darn it :angry:

[zud the spud]

Cool. So you just "spray" it and apply your vinyls. Sounds good. I can spend hours doing cars, mainly because I'm not that good at it. :lol:

I think I'll be buying this to occupy myself on my Xmas week off. 1) I'll bet they don't have a racing version of the Ford GT though...

2) And I don't suppose they've made it so that you can import liveries from FM2?

3) Oh and have they cured the layer shift problem that was in FM2?

1: No they don't have it
2: No you can't import liveries
3: I don't know what you mean

[AMAjr455]

Sorry for the delay.
Here are my settings:
Multiscreen=On
Mode=Host
Channel=0
View=Center
Degrees Hidden=0.0 (default)
Degrees Between Screens=75.0

Press "A" and it should prompt you to restart.
Works great for me

BINGO...!

We have a Winner... :thumbup:

Worked fine... I did plug in the Network cable to the net late last night when my connection works better.. MY ----> FOV = 73 (I tried 70 - 78) and man what a difference, for me anyway. So much better in the cars, but in the Prototypes is absolute a must to really enjoy these monsters.

Thanks Suds, I would have never known about this... I do hope they fix this as an option in the HUD. As if it would be easier to change... like in Evo... it would be best to have different for different models.

For anyone still driving inside the cockpit with standard FOV, try this... 65 should be a minimum... at 70 you can see the rear view mirror in most cars, all the ones I tried.

This does seem to help with the sense of speed as now you can see more which helps with movement outside the cockpit... as it looks to move by faster.

[Suds]

^ Your welcome! Glad to here you got it working. I was :-D when I found this fix also.

Nice avatar BTW. Do you ride? I have an FZ1 myself. :mrgreen:

[ravenmorpheus2k]

1: No they don't have it
2: No you can't import liveries
3: I don't know what you mean

1. Not surprised.
2. Bummer.
3. It is what happened when you had a lot of layers and went racing, the layers that made up all the carefully created decals tended to shift downwards, thus making the decals and whatnot appear to be smudged/broken. Really annoying when you do a top notch paint and then go racing only to find the paint job looks terrible...

Just did a quick search on the Forza official forum and apparently it has been cured.

[AMAjr455]

^ Your welcome! Glad to here you got it working. I was :-D when I found this fix also.

Nice avatar BTW. Do you ride? I have an FZ1 myself. :mrgreen:

Go Ben... wow, the FZ1 is a beast huh?

I do, but I have a 05' Buell City X. I also have a YZ250 and mostly trail ride it and some weekend fun non-competitive racing/practice days.

QUESTION for FZ3 Suds or anyone:

Do the LED Shift lights work in all cars, like the Porsche Lizard, the C6R, etc. I thought they did... but mine no longer work? Also, in the Lizard Porsche, I can not see the visor screen/yellow... and when I reset to the original FOV... still not there.

Did this get lost in the shuffle of changing the FOV :?:

[bibbish]

I just finished painting Cristijan Albers 2008 DTM Audi, I'm really pleased with it. (Screenie in attachment). I made it so the number 21 was in metalic paint like the real thing.

It's on the storefront along with my version of Adam Caroll's 2007 Audi. (only 3,000 Cr Each!)

What's your tagname ?

[zud the spud]

What's your tagname ?

UnreaL Lithium

[bibbish]

UnreaL Lithium

Thankx, see you tonight

[ALEXZANDER]

My bugatti veyron is up for auction. Current bid: 250K
660K buy it now. Gamertag is NIKOLAI R

[zud the spud]

My bugatti veyron is up for auction. Current bid: 250K
660K buy it now. Gamertag is NIKOLAI R

I put my fully tuned on up with a starting bid of 1,000, no buyout, just to see how many bids it got. It finished at 450k ish after over 40 bids... I was happy because I could only get 120k for it if i sold it to the computer.

[zud the spud]

Look what I got on the storefront, this guy has done loads of great DTM liveries. I think his gameratag is N Nagai

[ALEXZANDER]

I put my fully tuned on up with a starting bid of 1,000, no buyout, just to see how many bids it got. It finished at 450k ish after over 40 bids... I was happy because I could only get 120k for it if i sold it to the computer.

Last night I took mine off the auction block, to use in in a race, Iadded parts to make it R3. After the Race, I put it back, up starting bid 330K, buy out 720. It sold for 363 or something sometime last night. Im happy with that, it put my credits to about 1.25 million. :)

A couple days ago, I put my Reventon I won up for sale, I set starting bid for 5,000, I too wanted to how many bids it got, well, the 2.2 million car, sold for 67,000. bugger.

[zud the spud]

Last night I took mine off the auction block, to use in in a race, Iadded parts to make it R3. After the Race, I put it back, up starting bid 330K, buy out 720. It sold for 363 or something sometime last night. Im happy with that, it put my credits to about 1.25 million. :)

A couple days ago, I put my Reventon I won up for sale, I set starting bid for 5,000, I too wanted to how many bids it got, well, the 2.2 million car, sold for 67,000. bugger.

oh well, better than 100 you get from the computer.

[zud the spud]

Reach level 50 and you get one of these :thumbup:

[AMAjr455]

Currently at level 30... only managed to have 500+ points, but only one race left with R3... expensive vehicle.

[zud the spud]

V8 Supercars

[BTCC Madman]

at level 40 at the minute

anyone want my gamer tag for racing online - DreamedBTCC

[selley]

This is most prob's a noob question but, How do I transfer a pic I have taken in Forza3 over to my pc via a portable storage device(data stick). I have plugeed in the data stick into the back of the xbox wich is fine I can view all that is stored on it but when I select to transfer a game pic from Forza3 it only give sme the main xbox harddisk as an option.

Many Thanks

Jon.

[IWE]

You can transfer pics only thru xbox live.. And only if you have xbox live gold.

http://forzamotorsport.net/en-us/profile/default.htm




After next race going to be on level 41..

[selley]

ok mate thanks

[AMAjr455]

Guys, I would like to know if you are all experiencing the same in car views, or lack of views????

1) In BMW ALMS #92 No Motec and No Dash shift LED's...?
For Me=NO

2) Porsche ALMS #45 Flying Lizard... No Shift Lights, though they are on the Dash...?
For Me=NO

3) Ferrari ALMS #62 Dash Motec and Shift LEDs working...?
For Me=YES

To many to list... WTF :angry: are they planning on fixing this crap or what :?:

[zud the spud]

Yeah some of the cars have functional cockpit features others don't... All of the road cars do, it's just the race cars.

[PukaMan86]

Got to try it out on my friend's XBox 360. Pretty damned impressive, imo. Raced on classic Le Mans, Nordschleife, and did drifting on the full Fujimi Kaido layout. Now I just need my Fanatec wheel to arrive >_<

[AMAjr455]

Yeah some of the cars have functional cockpit features others don't... All of the road cars do, it's just the race cars.

:angry::angry:

Do you think they'll fix this? You know... no one would have accepted such a thing in NFS SHIFT!

How come folks are not Bitc$ing

Well, I think it's Crap.... and they should fix this BS. No Motec in the ALMS BMW M3 ... WTF!

[Empty Box]

The smilies indicate actual anger, but the text sorta undermines the anger. Not sure if serious.

[AMAjr455]

The smilies indicate actual anger, but the text sorta undermines the anger. Not sure if serious.

Well, I'm serious... folks complain about SHIFT which a way better game, looks better is more complete, and is more polished... but yet.. Forza 3 folks ignore the game being half finished.

[zud the spud]

Way less than half of the cars don't have working interiors, As I said all of the road cars I have used do and most of the race cars do.

To say the game is only half finished because some of the cars have this flaw is a bit of an over exaggeration.

[AMAjr455]

Way less than half of the cars don't have working interiors, As I said all of the road cars I have used do and most of the race cars do.

To say the game is only half finished because some of the cars have this flaw is a bit of an over exaggeration.

OK, you know what I mean! UnFinished... thats fine1

All I'm saying is why is there not postings about it. I would like them fixed, don't mind waiting, but maybe they're not even working on this.

Just Wondering???

BTW, I like the game.... I'm having fun with it, and I game for only one thing.... Fun:thumbup:

[Husky42]

:angry::angry:

Do you think they'll fix this? You know... no one would have accepted such a thing in NFS SHIFT!

How come folks are not Bitc$ing

Well, I think it's Crap.... and they should fix this BS. No Motec in the ALMS BMW M3 ... WTF!

First Forza was never known for cockpits and again people are lucky they at least get some cockpits. It is not a flaw or broken aspect of the game or engine just something the devs felt they needed to leave out.

[pastiewhite]

has anyone noticed some of the set up setting are backwards compared to other games like. started screwing around with toe and it seems like the setting are backwards more positive toe on the front seems to make the car turn in less crisper where games like gtr2 and race pro it the opposite. maybe i'm smoking something i shouldn't just doesn't seem right

[AMAjr455]

First Forza was never known for cockpits and again people are lucky they at least get some cockpits. It is not a flaw or broken aspect of the game or engine just something the devs felt they needed to leave out.

Well, IMHO that does not make it OK...LOL :thumbdown:

[zud the spud]

I love the forza community. I drive this Aston all the time in rfactor.

[BTCC Madman]

upto Level 45 now...

[Astreon]

Well, IMHO that does not make it OK...LOL :thumbdown:
Particularly when they were proclaiming having "cockpits where all the instrumentation works like it does in real life"... typical Turn 10!

I think it's simply spreading themselves too thinly.

[zud the spud]

Turn 10 just patched in gear shift animations for cockpit view, I'm pretty surprised they did it, I wasn't expecting them to. It's a nice add on though.

[ALEXZANDER]

Turn 10 just patched in gear shift animations for cockpit view, I'm pretty surprised they did it, I wasn't expecting them to. It's a nice add on though.

I dont see any animation...:thumbdown:

[zud the spud]

I dont see any animation...:thumbdown:

everyone else does, of course in a lot of cars there is paddle shift so the hands just twitch, but on stick shift cars the hand does the shift animation like in GTR 2 or any other game.

[bibbish]

Even the handbrake animation

[ALEXZANDER]

It apperas that both of you ( zud and bibbish) are located in Europe. It could possibly be the case that they did not release a patch for north american users.

[Empty Box]

It apperas that both of you ( zud and bibbish) are located in Europe. It could possibly be the case that they did not release a patch for north american users.

I don't think so.... Pretty sure that would mess up online. Or maybe T10 just doesn't like you for some reason. :-D

NO GEAR ANIMATION FOR YOU!

[moppenheimer]

Ive got it on mine....

[ALEXZANDER]

I updated game and now i have animations.

[BTCC Madman]

iv got animations - bit gimmiky tbh imo
i would have prefered working led displays in all the cars instead

[zud the spud]

iv got animations - bit gimmiky tbh imo
i would have prefered working led displays in all the cars instead

Me too, still at least they are fixing things.

[AMAjr455]

iv got animations - bit gimmiky tbh imo
i would have prefered working led displays in all the cars instead

+100 :thumbup:

[zud the spud]

T10 have confirmed the Audi R15 for the DLC pack, Really looking forward to that.

[ALEXZANDER]

R15 sounds nice, but would look forward more to some pre-1940 race cars.

[pitradio]

So that means 4 cars of the DLC are known..
Ferrari 458 Italia
2010 Audi S4
Audi R10
Mercedes SLR Stirling Moss

[Roush9]

they should put at least 1 F1 car in, or some type of GP2 car.

[ALEXZANDER]

Not just any F1 car, a 1966 F1 car No wings FTW!!!

[Roush9]

1991-1997 F1 car imho

[pitradio]

I think it's stupid in Forza some cars are LHD and others RHD..

I mean, the Alfa Brera has also been available in the UK. So should be availablke RHD.

And why is the Focus SVT (Focus ST here) available as LHD, but the Focus RS only as RHD, while it's also available here in LHD.

[Roush9]

lulz

Suggested getting an F1 car on the forza forums and got the response I was looking for, "Buy F1 game".

[zud the spud]

So that means 4 cars of the DLC are known..
Ferrari 458 Italia
2010 Audi S4
Audi R10
Mercedes SLR Stirling Moss

also:
Lamborghini Murcielago LP 670-4 SV
Jaguar XFR

[ravenmorpheus2k]

I thought I'd share a couple of the paints I've done so far so here goes -

They're both WIP as I need to redo some logos so they aren't locked and I need to do some extra bits on both cars, especially the Ford GT as it's missing logos currently.

Matech Mustang GT3 livery
http://www.nogripracing.com/gallery/data/2009/12/thumbs/0fe1908beb695f9548ca8a6b322434ff0e63b48b.jpg (http://www.nogripracing.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=76631)
http://www.nogripracing.com/gallery/data/2009/12/thumbs/d2be8c3c33bc259c26f162d460610cb80bb1c2db.jpg (http://www.nogripracing.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=76632)

Matech Ford GT GT3 livery
http://www.nogripracing.com/gallery/data/2009/12/thumbs/04af3314c2939bc9080210908a108a4c58c45fa8.jpg (http://www.nogripracing.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=76634)
http://www.nogripracing.com/gallery/data/2009/12/thumbs/afdbd7ede3294feb451129a4130a0c8f4f7dbdd4.jpg (http://www.nogripracing.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=76633)

The GT suffers from having Ford GT written on the side still, I don't think that can be removed at all and some of the logos on both the cars are not mine and are locked so I can't upload the designs to my storefront, I'm going to have a go at copying the logos I've bought and used though to see if I can get the designs upped to my storefront.

I do have a couple of logos on my storefront though, although they're not all that fantastic and can probably be found by other people.

Good news on the R15 in the DLC pack, but I'm not exactly overwhelmed by the other cars. And I really wish T10 would make a race version of the Ford GT.

BTW does anyone know how I tell what logos are locked and what aren't before I buy them from peoples storefronts?

[zud the spud]

all logo's I've seen from the storefront are locked.

[ravenmorpheus2k]

Ah ok. Don't download my Bosch or Sintez logos then, you can't change the colors. :lol:

I did get a couple that aren't locked but then they wouldn't load up, said something about the file being corrupt.

[zud the spud]

I've only bought a few vinyl groups, but all Have been locked. One thing I do is load up a vinyl group in the vinyl group creator and trace over it with my own shapes, then you can remove the original and you have your own group.

[ravenmorpheus2k]

Yeah that's what I was going to do. Some might be harder than others though, the Bilstein/Michelin Man (running) logos for example.

[zud the spud]

Just downloaded the DLC, the Audi has fully functinal cockpit animations- rev lights and lap time all work great. In the Nissan GT-R the screen is a functional Turbo dial, there is an engine temp on the screen too but that never moves. It's all in the GT5 graphic style too :D There's a clock too, which registers the time on your xbox.

[ravenmorpheus2k]

Ooh GTR road spec. Cool. I wonder how they got away with using polyphonys graphics on the dash then?

I just saw the DLC list of cars on the FM3 website - THEY'VE GOT THE ASTON LOLA! :thumbup:

Shame about the VW Panamera though.

I really wish they'd increase the number of cars in the grid. With Le Mans and the amount of GT1/GT2/LMPs available the game is crying out for at least 16 cars per race.

[JumpStart]

I've only bought a few vinyl groups, but all Have been locked. One thing I do is load up a vinyl group in the vinyl group creator and trace over it with my own shapes, then you can remove the original and you have your own group.

How does one upload a unlocked vinyl group?

[zud the spud]

How does one upload a unlocked vinyl group?

you can't.

[ALEXZANDER]

good question,but i dont think you can, all uploads are automatically locked i think.

[Roush9]

is there a way to upload your own logos? I've downloaded a Mtn Dew logo and Go daddy logo from the store front and I find it really hard to believe someone made those in game.

[IWE]

all those logos are self made and some of those have so many layers that you cannot have nearly any other logos on your car.

[Roush9]

people made them in game? Wow, thats crazy.

[Ticheese]

I bought FORZA 3 the day it came out, and within a week, I'd sold it back to the shop and have played nothing but my PC sims ever since!

After playing GTR2, LFS, NetKar Pro and rFactor, NOTHING comes close in my (newbie) opinion.

Don't get me wrong - I was a HUGE fan of FORZA, but I thought FORZA 3 was a massive disappointment. It didn't look or feel any different to FORZA 2 to me, and the cockpit view has been a total disaster!

Sorry and all that, but that's just my opinion. Isn't that what we're all here to share (before somebody gets the hump!)?

[Roush9]

I bought FORZA 3 the day it came out, and within a week, I'd sold it back to the shop and have played nothing but my PC sims ever since!

After playing GTR2, LFS, NetKar Pro and rFactor, NOTHING comes close in my (newbie) opinion.

Don't get me wrong - I was a HUGE fan of FORZA, but I thought FORZA 3 was a massive disappointment. It didn't look or feel any different to FORZA 2 to me, and the cockpit view has been a total disaster!

Sorry and all that, but that's just my opinion. Isn't that what we're all here to share (before somebody gets the hump!)?

Nah, you're absolutely right. It looks and feels exactly like Forza2.

[zud the spud]

When was the last time you guys played Forza 2? Seriously, to someone who played Forza 2 loads up until the release of Forza 3 the changes made are subtle but are very good. Not only are the graphics improved, the user interface is one of the best in any game, the physics have been improved, there are more customisation options, more cars and more tracks. Not to mention more races, the Storefront, and Multiplayer that's as good as ever.

I appreciate everyone's opinion, and I don't expect everyone to like this game, but saying things like "it didn't look or feel different to Forza 2 to me" makes me think you don't know what you are talking about.

[Roush9]

When was the last time you guys played Forza 2? Seriously, to someone who played Forza 2 loads up until the release of Forza 3 the changes made are subtle but are very good. Not only are the graphics improved, the user interface is one of the best in any game, the physics have been improved, there are more customisation options, more cars and more tracks. Not to mention more races, the Storefront, and Multiplayer that's as good as ever.

I appreciate everyone's opinion, and I don't expect everyone to like this game, but saying things like "it didn't look or feel different to Forza 2 to me" makes me think you don't know what you are talking about.

Go play Forza2 then play Forza3. They feel exactly the same. The cars react the same way they do in FM3. Sure the interface is better, and the graphics are a tad better, but overall it's the same thing just in a prettier package.

[IWE]

Same was with gt1 --> gt2 --> gt3 --> gt4 and now --> gt5. Same game with improved graphics and more cars. Gt series are basicly even going backwards with removing wet track(s). And to rob all fans they released even prologue and concept versions before full version games.

This is typical with most of console game series (Formula One series from 1995 to 2006, WRC, PGR,..).

[Roush9]

GT5 feels different than GT4. They've improved over the years.

[xsofa]

Haha, well I'm not sure where you heard they were removing wet tracks, but they have a dynamic weather system finished, but aren't sure if they're going to send it out with the game...

http://www.gtplanet.net/gran-turismo-5s-weather-system-is-done/

[zud the spud]

Go play Forza2 then play Forza3. They feel exactly the same. The cars react the same way they do in FM3. Sure the interface is better, and the graphics are a tad better, but overall it's the same thing just in a prettier package.

Well I guess you can't see the changes that have been made, if I tried to explain you would ignore it anyway.

[Roush9]

Well I guess you can't see the changes that have been made, if I tried to explain you would ignore it anyway.

Oh, do tell!

[AMAjr455]

Well I guess you can't see the changes that have been made, if I tried to explain you would ignore it anyway.

I would enjoy this info. too!

[Ticheese]

Believe me - I know what I'm talking about (in my own opinion, of course. Who else's matters when we're merely talking about our own opinion of things?).

I spent months and MONTHS playing nothing but FORZA2, and then FORZA3 came out, so I was able to make a pretty good comparison, and that's why I traded FORZA3 in after only a few days. It could've excelled itself and been something mind-blowing, but it just wasn't.

Hyped-up to the max (as is usual with big-name console games), it was just the same old, same old (with a few new tracks thrown-in, obviously). What I was really looking forward to was the cockpit view, and that has just been a complete disaster and a total waste of time. You feel like a granny driving with your nose on the windscreen, and you can't even see the mirrors properly!

If you'd have said six months ago that I'd be PC sim-racing, and would [possibly] never play another console racer again, I'd never have believed you. Having been introduced to the mind-blowing realism of PC sims, I don't think I could ever go back, so blame them for my opinion - not me! :-)

Having said all that - why ARE console 'sims' not a patch on PC sims? The graphics are far superior on the consoles, but the physics are just AWFUL! How difficult is it for a game like FORZA or GT5 to match the 'feel' of PC sims, because they don't come anywhere close!

And before you say owt else about "not knowing what I'm talking about", I also have a PS3/GT5 and a G25/cockpit, so I can make a direct comparison between GT5 and my PC sims too.

Somebody's bound to get 'the hump' again, after all that, I'm sure! :laugh:

[zud the spud]

OK Well you asked for it, I don't expect you to take any of it on board. I don't even expect you to read the whole of it, I've never done a forum post as long as this.

Firstly the new graphics engine. The cars in Forza 3 have 10 times as many polygons as in Forza 2, 4 times the texture resolution and include bump mapping. Also, the frame rate is at a solid 60 fps the whole time through. To say the graphics are "a tad better" is just straight up ignorant.

Secondly, the upgraded physics engine includes Tyre Deformation, which mean that cars respond to shifts in weight much better than in the previous game, and quantifies this depending on tyre temperatures and pressures. Also the cars can roll, which may sound like it adds nothing to the realism of the handling but going over large kerbs at high speed will get the car on two wheels where as in the previous game you were rooted pretty firmly. Considering the limitations of the console it creates a very realistic experience while keeping it accessible to newcomers.

Thirdly, the new User Interface. You may argue that it doesn't add enough to justify a new game, but it is slick, stylish, more functional and easier to navigate than Forza 2. (No more freezing while flipping through the garage a prime example). Game reviewer Jeff Gertsmann has called it one of the best UI's a game has ever had.

Fourthly, the extra content. While Forza Motorsport 2 had 349 cars including all 5 DLC packs, Forza 3 ships with 405, with another 13 already released as DLC with much more to come. Forza 3 included 15 track environments (including 2 DLC tracks). Forza 3 ships with 21 (22 in Limited edition) with 2 new real-world environments, Le Sarthe and Circuit de Catalunya. These are just environments, most have several different layouts and the PR man will tell you there are over 100 tracks. I don't have the exact figures for the number of events in Forza 2, but Forza 3 has over 200 events, each with at least 3 races (excluding endurance series). I've completed 53% or so of the career and have done around 500 races, including online races, so I estimate around 800-900 races are in the career mode. Forza 3 also includes Point to point and Drag races in the career mode which Forza 2 didn't.

Fifthly, the new Multiplayer options. One of the biggest complaints is no more user created public lobbies, (which I agree is probably the worst thing about the game alongside poor cockpit cameras), but in private lobbies there is much more customisation of the game mode. You can now do timed, point to point, Drift and Drag races as well as traditional circuit races with a ridiculous amount of variables you can control to make your own mode. Public online features Matchmaking playlists and the "playground" playlist which includes game modes such as Tag, I haven't tried it so I can't comment on that, but as previously stated, there are many more multiplayer modes than in Forza 2. Also, the new leaderboards show the most popular tuners, graphic artists, drifters and painters as well as straight up time trials.

Sixthly, this is a minor point, the "Create a new vinyl group" feature allows you to make much more detailed and accurate logos. I've used it a load and many other people have as well. The Vehicle painting options have been expanded with full spectrum options for colours and a few new vinyl shapes.

Finally, the new storefront features. The new Halo 3 style layout means I can save my favourite graphic artists, tuners, photographers and painters and keep track of their latest work. To buy a design I like I don't need to buy the car any more, and because of this skins can be sold at lower prices. These are knock on effects that mean you can find exactly what livery you are looking for quickly and easily. Also, now you can paint R class cars, many more liveries are available than in Forza 2.

As I said at the top, I don't expect you to take any of this on board and I doubt you will change your opinion of the game, but you asked me to list the changes made so I did, and I didn't list them all.

P.S. I'm comparing the game to Forza 2, not any other sim, PC or Console. I am responding to the comment that hardly anything has changed. I don't think this game is perfect, not by quite a margin, but to say nothing has changed from Forza 2 is either ignorance or a lie, it's not a matter of opinion. I'm not calling it a re invention of the franchise, but it's not the same game. If you hated the last one you will probably hate this, but I see no reason to hate this after liking Forza 2, as the changes made don't make it worse.

[Roush9]

I got to the second and gave up, how far did you guys get?

[zud the spud]

Well I guess there's me and the professional reviewers in the world against you guys on this argument. I don't see any breakthroughs coming any time soon, so I'm going to drop it and stop myself from wasting any more time on this futile argument.

[Roush9]

I can still drift Gt2 and GT1 cars, could probably do LMP1 cars too just haven't tried.

Whhhatttt???

[zud the spud]

I have little doubt you could drift any RWD car in this game with the right setup. Some cars are better than others though. I wouldn't fancy an R1 class due to the wide wheel base, but I doubt it hasn't been done before.

[Ticheese]

I never said anything about "hating it" (perhaps others did?). I merely said that it felt like the same old, same old with a few extra tracks and a pointless cockpit view.

You've posted some very interesting facts and figures that make it sound absolutely brilliant 'on paper', but in actuality it's VERY similar to FORZA2, and none of those baubles and bells and facts and figures make any difference in the real world - not when comparing it to its predecessor.

You're obviously passionate about it, and for that I respect your [very knowledgeable, by the sounds of it] opinion. Just respect mine and try not to stoop into calling people "ignorant" or "liars".

Anyway - this is almost as pointless a discussion as the never-ending "PS3 v XBOX 360" debate that's here, there and everywhere, but I enjoy sharing opinions and, as I said before, that's what we're all here for, isn't it?

[Roush9]

I have little doubt you could drift any RWD car in this game with the right setup. Some cars are better than others though. I wouldn't fancy an R1 class due to the wide wheel base, but I doubt it hasn't been done before.

I don't do setups.

[zud the spud]

I never said anything about "hating it" (perhaps others did?). I merely said that it felt like the same old, same old with a few extra tracks and a pointless cockpit view.

You've posted some very interesting facts and figures that make it sound absolutely brilliant 'on paper', but in actuality it's VERY similar to FORZA2, and none of those baubles and bells and facts and figures make any difference in the real world - not when comparing it to its predecessor.

(1) You're obviously passionate about it, and for that I respect your [very knowledgeable, by the sounds of it] opinion. Just respect mine and try not to stoop into calling people "ignorant" or "liars".

(2)Anyway - this is almost as pointless a discussion as the never-ending "PS3 v XBOX 360" debate that's here, there and everywhere, but I enjoy sharing opinions and, as I said before, that's what we're all here for, isn't it?

1: I guess I may have misinterpreted peoples opinions on this game, the driving model has been improved but only subtly, in terms of everything around the driving some considerable steps up have been made, so when people say things like the graphics are the only just better it makes them sound ignorant to me because they haven't looked at the facts.

2: I agree with you, I have tried to avoid system wars for a long time, and it was nice to have a debate about just this game instead of this vs. GT5 although this arguament is just going in circles now...

I have no hard feelings with anyone here may I add, I just find it hard to see how any right minded person could look at Forza 3 and write it off as being the same as Forza 2, but as I said earlier if people are only talking about the driving then that's probably the area the least has changed, although I maintain the physics have been improved.

Once again, no grudges shall be held by me after this debate, although I have had enough for one night :)

[Ticheese]

Thanks for the conversation, Zud - I enjoyed it. It's nice to share opinions without people eff-ing and blinding and hurling abuse at one another for a change. This could be a first in internet forum history, you know! :laugh:

And you know what? People 'on both sides of the fence' will read this, and they will all go away feeling contented!

Everyone's a winner!

Happy Christmas to one and all! :thumbup:

[Dan253]

Happy christmas also to you, enjoy this festive time!

[zud the spud]

Thanks for the conversation, Zud - I enjoyed it. It's nice to share opinions without people eff-ing and blinding and hurling abuse at one another for a change. This could be a first in internet forum history, you know! :laugh:

And you know what? People 'on both sides of the fence' will read this, and they will all go away feeling contented!

Everyone's a winner!

Happy Christmas to one and all! :thumbup:

:thumbup: This is why I don't use Gamefaqs and other forums anymore, this website has a good community.

[Roush9]

I'm running out of money, damn it! I had $800,000 the other day but I keep buying cars and maxing them out :laugh: Down to $107,000 now.

Btw, 251mph in a Z06. Bawliiiiiiinnnnnnnnnn

[MadNitroBooster]

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/best-racing-gt-goty/60179

[zud the spud]

If we're posting GOTY links this thread might get pretty long :D

http://uk.bestof.ign.com/2009/xbox360/best-racing-game.html

"There was little debate as to the best racing game this year. After all, Forza Motorsport 3 is easily one of the best racing games of all time. Along with great visuals and unparalleled physics, the career mode is brilliant and the online is astoundingly versatile."

http://uk.gamespot.com/best-of/genre-awards/index.html?page=3

"It isn't just the best driving game of 2009; it might just be the best console driving game of the last decade."

[zud the spud]

Wow raven! your dream has come true! the Audi r8 GT3 is in the new pack!

http://www.virtualr.net/forza-motorsport-3-second-dlc-carlist-previews-leaked/

[HarunaAmami]

Does anyone have some close-up pics of the R3 Corvette ZO6s? I would like to try a hand at making a replica for GTR2.

[Roush9]

my rhys millen slowstice remake. Thing has almost 1000HP and a Z06 engine Twin Turbo in it :laugh:

btw yes i did paint it and the yellow is now darker

[HarunaAmami]

If it has nearly 1000 bhp, I'm not sure if you can call that a Slowstice.

[Roush9]

If it has nearly 1000 bhp, I'm not sure if you can call that a Slowstice.

:laugh: true

[freejrs]

Ended up getting Forza 3 for crimpton. I must say after being very disapointed with the demo I am quite enjoying playing the full game. There isn't really that many decent cars in the game, alot of the 400+ vehicles are absolutely horrible cars to fill up space. But it seems to have all the standard racing game fare as well so there is plenty to choose from.

My current pick is a Honda Integra Type R '00 with an S2000 engine and running gear!!!!:thumbup::mrgreen: Not sure if anyone has ever converted an Integra to RWD but if they havn't, they should have!!

I am amazed at the quality of vinyl groups you can buy.......imense levels of detail especially on the Manga/Anime/Hentai girls.....:twisted:

The new original tracks are awesome as well. The rally one, the hillclimb/drift one and the other......all great.;-)

The Nordschliefe model is a little bit iffy though. Some really strange bumps in places where there are none and it seems to wide to me. It is fun to drive though but just a shame that they could not even make a realistic version.

[HarunaAmami]

:laugh: true

So what do we call it? Speedstice?

[Roush9]

So what do we call it? Speedstice?

uhhh sure

[Empty Box]

Picked it up, TBH, impressed. I had the same feeling playing GTR2 back in the day driving wise - that can't be a bad thing.

[Roush9]

If M$ would stop being homos and support the G25 I'm sure I'd like it even more than I do now. But racing on a controller sucks after racing with a wheel for almost 4 years.

[Empty Box]

It is what it is.

I wouldn't touch it with a wheel personally. Arcade + wheel = fail. It's just simply more fun and less stressful to use the sticks / dpad back in the day than actually drive. If I wanted to actually drive, well, I'll take GTR2 / rF / iR (when subbed - lol).

I dunno, I just enjoy the fun you can get with these games. After using a wheel for far to long its refreshing to make it simple. I mean, Mario Kart was fun, even without a wheel. Dispute that and you crazy!

Sidebar - wtf is up with the clutch? I can flatshift it and blow stuff up - but tap the clutch and keep the gas pinned, I'm safe. But hey - still has better damage modelling on the driveline than on the PC!

(Take that PC 1337'rs!)

[JumpStart]

If M$ would stop being homos and support the G25 I'm sure I'd like it even more than I do now. But racing on a controller sucks after racing with a wheel for almost 4 years.

Actually, using a Fanatec wheel is an option for some 8-)

[freejrs]

Actually, using a Fanatec wheel is an option for some 8-)

£200 just for the wheel with no pedals or gear shifter??? This is not an option for most sane people.;-)

[zud the spud]

I would buy the fanatec wheel if it wasn't porsche branded. Driving a car that isn't a porsche with a porsche badge in my face would annoy me.

[ledanek]

is Forza3 really a better simulation than GTR2?

i was given this link to see the wow-factor:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qm0J0pE7Y-I

but I know there is a better GTR2 Video comparison, as far as simulation goes.

Do you have any GTR2 video comparison that can top this?

[Brainbug]

is Forza3 really a better simulation than GTR2?

i was given this link to see the wow-factor:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qm0J0pE7Y-I

but I know there is a better GTR2 Video comparison, as far as simulation goes.

Do you have any GTR2 video comparison that can top this?

this video is not that good recorded as that one u posted, but still, shift DO top forza3. (well maybe) both games are cool :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Npwqw3eH_YE

check this also:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twcu4zG6FEU&feature=related

damn cool that forza video with multiscreen. me just wishing i had that system by my own. hell! :)

[JumpStart]

I would buy the fanatec wheel if it wasn't porsche branded. Driving a car that isn't a Porsche with a Porsche badge in my face would annoy me.

This is the funniest thing I've ever read :laugh:

How many Logitech cars have you driven? Cover it with Black Tape, or remove it with a knife.... LOL!

[zud the spud]

This is the funniest thing I've ever read :laugh:

How many Logitech cars have you driven? Cover it with Black Tape, or remove it with a knife.... LOL!

The G25 is metal styled, I don't care about having logitech in my face just like I wouldn't mind having Momo for example in my face. It would just feel weird driving a Ferrari in a game with a porsche wheel don't you think? And I don't want to mutilate it just to satisfy my odd habits, I'm fine using a controller.

[JumpStart]

The G25 is metal styled, I don't care about having logitech in my face just like I wouldn't mind having Momo for example in my face. It would just feel weird driving a Ferrari in a game with a Porsche wheel don't you think? And I don't want to mutilate it just to satisfy my odd habits, I'm fine using a controller.

I hear ya, I was messing around mostly anyway! I used my buds, the Fanatec Wheel is awesome!

[Roush9]

my new drift car. Found some iRacing logos last night so I put them on as well. Might even try throwing together an iRacing Supra.

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee155/MattLeach/th_focusdrift.jpg (http://s235.photobucket.com/albums/ee155/MattLeach/?action=view&current=focusdrift.jpg)

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee155/MattLeach/th_mnstrfocus3.jpg (http://s235.photobucket.com/albums/ee155/MattLeach/?action=view&current=mnstrfocus3.jpg)

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee155/MattLeach/th_mnstrfocus1.jpg (http://s235.photobucket.com/albums/ee155/MattLeach/?action=view&current=mnstrfocus1.jpg)