Polling most popular tracks

[Pizzaman]

Just a thought:

if all you regulars here, who race online, decide what is the best tracks I'll ask Whoops to set up a new add-on server.
One download- and that's all. You can all study the tracks, and we finally have no more Anderstorp... :D:up:

[Mogget]

Would this be a mixture of default and addon tracks ?

[Pizzaman]

Well, I suppose we COULD use some of the less used tracks :confused:
However, I suppose we kick Anderstorp... :down::mad:

I can only post ten options. Therefore, I have taken the liberty of posting afew of my own favourites... but any suggestions would be welcome here.

Idea is, by gathering the most avid online racers we'll have a busy server.
If we all put in a word, we all may like the result. IMO I'd like an all-Mini-server which contains the above tracks. But I may be the only one who likes thatr, and therefore I will be 'the lone ranger' which will lead to the same result as the last add-on server...

Best would be to have a very busy server in which the most gentlemen racers are coming by to have a race on their favourite tracks. I am sure this is the ideal of very many here, so let's have one!

[Pizzaman]

Did I get everybody's favourites? You are welcome to post your own!

[Mogget]

One feature that I would like to see on the GC servers is an increase in the maximum number of drivers permitted. Whilst I'm sure that the 16 player limit is there for a reason, I have not had any problems in the two WNR events that I have competed in, and the first races in each of these had 27 and 24 drivers respectively.

[Kongo]

Bathurs is great but until someone sorts out the stupid walls everywhere i ain't racin it again.
All 4 NG events there have landed me over the wall cause i nudged it! :mad: :(

Snetterton is always good. Came 8th in the Elan and 2nd, 6th and 8th in the Cobra, all NG events of course. :)

Ran Loch Rannoch Short in me Isuzu Bellett and I must say, it's very fitting for TC-65 cars..even GTC-65 would have a blast but TC-65 is what we are about here so, I vote this track is great...what a view...can't wait till I'm Mini'ing it round Scotland in my own Mini. :)

[vrmx]

Even though I don't intend to race I suggest Ahvenisto (http://www.nogripracing.com/details.php?filenr=4230).

One great track. Also had the pleasure to drive there with my own car just couple of months ago ;).

[Pizzaman]

Yet you voted it as one of your favourites...
I have never had any trouble on Bathurst.
Usually I use the walls and kerbstones as a way to get the Mini on 2 wheels...
Maybe it is the speed that knocks you over the edge?

PS: you are welcome to add some of your own!

VRMX, I like Ahvenisto too but can't change the poll. Any way to take out one of the un-voted ones and put in Ahvenisto? Otherwise, everybody state if they like Ahvenisto too!

[Kongo]

I voted it as my favourite cause I like the track.
But the walls suck and i'm not too happy it has never been sorted. I'd never release something if it was that bad and if I did, I would fix it.

There are other versions tho but...mmmbathurst is the best...jus the walls suck huge portions of ass.
I race on 4 wheels cause it's fastest and safest, I wish to do so whatever the track. :yes:

[Jevgen]

Cadwell is my alltime favorite, but since it has 5 votes already, I vote limerock instead. Knutstorp could be fun (nice layout), but at least the version I have is very bumpy indeed.

Like said before, Ahvenisto is a nice track. I like also Pau 67. My other favorities are Bremgarten and Montherley. I heard there is a new version of Charade that could also be nice, but maybe we should stick with these inside the poll.

What I think would be worth to try is a server with very different kind of tracks. One street circuit, one oldtime park circuit with narrow bends, one present-day circuit and maybe one highspeed road circuit.

TC 65 cars are fine by me. If sombody get pimples of seeing red Alfas I'm ready to leave them outside (even though I like Alfas very much). I would drive with Mini then or maybe Abarth... or Jag. The point is I don't play GTL to win races, but because of the spirit. I think all the cars in game are somehow very tempting. They all have their very own characteristics. The cars back then are therefore much different compared the most of the nowadays cars.

I totally agree with Pizzaman that we have had too much of Anderstorp. :roflmao:

[Mogget]

I had a few races in the default Lotus Elite last night on the TC-65+ server. It was just as much fun racing against guys at the back :)

I was disqualified from the Anderstorp South race, and I have no idea why. Server suggested that I might have jumped the start, and then missed the Stop and Go penalty, but I find that rather difficult to believe. Anyway, I lost control on the approach to Gislaved at the end of lap 1 and hit the wall (after getting past a pack of sliding n00bs :)), so it was no great loss.

I had to laugh at the Hockenheim GP race. I caught and passed some guy in a Lotus Cortina, and his car vanished from my rear view mirror barely two seconds later. Evidently, he didn't take too kindly to getting overtaken by a Lotus Elite (down the Parabolika no less; he was struggling to regain control after "kerbing it"), but it was still a pathetic capitulation.

I had another good race at Donington Park GP. Whilst I never got past the guy in question, I managed to keep pace with his Ford Falcon !

[Nappe1]

I had to laugh at the Hockenheim GP race. I caught and passed some guy in a Lotus Cortina, and his car vanished from my rear view mirror barely two seconds later. Evidently, he didn't take too kindly to getting overtaken by a Lotus Elite (down the Parabolika no less; he was struggling to regain control after "kerbing it"), but it was still a pathetic capitulation.


This is normal. What bigger car, that more aggressive guys are about little, small engined cars overtaking them. Few times I have passed few Mustangs at Donnington and both instantly left game.

Even funnier was to be at (now already gone) GC-GTC65 server with a Mini. At the Dijon Prenois GP, quite few guys were driving GT40s and obiously GT40 was to quite few of them too much car to handle as well as my Mini was too much car to their minds to handle. :) in the end of main straight I passed 3 or 4 GT40s on every single lap, just because they had been braking way too late. Again when coming back to straight, quite few of these guys just ran over me. Some even targetted me on the shoulder, where I drove to avoid being on driving line.

it wasn't really fun back then, but now those guys just get a laugh from me. :D:roflmao:

[Mogget]

Talking of Mini Coopers on a GTC-65 server, I think it's worth mentioning here that I would like to see any future GC GTC-65 server also allow TC-65 cars to compete. I don't see a problem with that, since some of the TC-65 cars are perfectly capable of competing with the lower end GTC-65 stable.

[Pizzaman]

Well we have thing sorted then: We'll take TC-65 and some of the lower-end cars of GTC-65.
After all we can put on it whatever we want, right?
I'd be sorry to leave out the Alfa, but we can use add-on cars and only have yellow ones :D:up:

Mogget, you won't be able to pass these guys here when they drive a GT40...

I also vote for 'blacklisting' losers, maybe a special department of the haal of shame can be devoted to them... Kongo?

Cadwell is my alltime favorite, but since it has 5 votes already, I vote limerock instead. Knutstorp could be fun (nice layout), but at least the version I have is very bumpy indeed.

Jevgen, we'd love to have you in. Ahvenisto and Pau 67 and Bremgarten and Montherley would be OK with me (had fun on those). I have the new version of Charade, but I'd rather stick to the shorter tracks. Riska are that with along track like Charade you'll race alone... Anyone else here lemme know what you think, and BTW you can vote multiple tracks.

Knutstorp is very bumpy indeed, which is partly the fun of it. You can't do much there with a high-powered car. Taupo is my favourite, because it is so short and you can see the others coming down the opposite way. Adds to the 'feel', I think.

Seems like Cadwell is a sure go. How about Jevgens idea though:

a server with very different kind of tracks. One street circuit, one oldtime park circuit with narrow bends, one present-day circuit and maybe one highspeed road circuit.

I think I like it :up: Anyone for Hitchin or soemthing like that?

[Kongo]

Cadwell, Snetterton and Loch Rannoch for defo!
Never raced at Ronnoch before but it's an awesome track, fulla things like hills to get those who drive too fast without thinking. :D

How about Hilltop? That's a cool, classic track. :)
Seeing as were havin' bread and butter cars, medium to short tracks pls. Le Mans is a no no LOL!
Wouldn't mind racing some smaller ones for once actually.

[Jevgen]

Jevgen, we'd love to have you in. Ahvenisto and Pau 67 and Bremgarten and Montherley would be OK with me (had fun on those). I have the new version of Charade, but I'd rather stick to the shorter tracks. Riska are that with along track like Charade you'll race alone... Anyone else here lemme know what you think, and BTW you can vote multiple tracks.

Knutstorp is very bumpy indeed, which is partly the fun of it. You can't do much there with a high-powered car. Taupo is my favourite, because it is so short and you can see the others coming down the opposite way. Adds to the 'feel', I think.

Thank you!

You are probably right with Charade. It's too long for this kind of races. Oh, an ability to vote multiple tracks, cool. me->:crazy:

Ok, now I see your point with Knutstorp. I have done only couple of laps on that track in Healey and that looked quite scary in replay:eek:, but yes, it definitely could bring some more diversity which is good. Taupo is unfamiliar for me, but not for long. :D

Seems like Cadwell is a sure go. How about Jevgens idea though:

a server with very different kind of tracks. One street circuit, one oldtime park circuit with narrow bends, one present-day circuit and maybe one highspeed road circuit.

I think I like it :up: Anyone for Hitchin or soemthing like that?

My point with having different type of tracks is to have some real diversity race after race. I mean there would be better chances for different cars (and drivers) to show their capability. It could also be exciting to jump from something like cadwell to chalenging present-day race track with safety areas. Then moving to Bremgarten and floor it between the trees like (good);) old days. Then something like Pau 67 with pavements, close walls, tricky corners and stuff... and Bathurst with fast bends on hilly surface... and then twisting on some short circuit like Taupo... :drool: But that's only what I like. ;)

[Kongo]

Sardian Heights 100

Shame online play saps fps if you race set at night cause...this tracks ACE at night!

The ong one kinda sucks tho so, jus the 100 version. :)
Maybe it's my street attitude or something but I love racing these tracks...Jus check out that tunnel! I used to love those when I was a kid...and I still do now LOL!

[Pizzaman]

Well I think that is what most guys like here, certainly if they are online racers.
The onlyproblem I have with Brengarten is, that if you stuff up you are mostly really stuffed.
I mean, probably your car will be FUBAR...

Mostly I would like to have tracks like Knutstorp, where you can overshoot a corner and still be able to join at the rear, without having to limp all the way to finish. This 'outrun' prevents having to watch the rest of the race form pits... this is also the problem with Bathurst (I like the track, but Kongo is right here) and worse if you stuff up, you'll fly over the edge and into 'the great beyond'. It wouldn't do to have tracks where 17 racers start and 5 make it to finish, that is usually so in TC-65 already...

But your idea to have 'different' tracks is very cool, let's get into that. ALL JOIN PLEASE!
I have a list of 'road tracks' here, my opinion stated. Let's hear yours!

- Hitchin Track very short, not very good to see through corners, no 'outrun'
- Neurburg Village a good jump in it, and 2 way traffic, but no possibility for overtaking
- Mountain Sprint nice track, but no 'outrun', IMO it has possibilities
- Pau '67 I think this is a winner
- Loch Rannoch the various bits may make it a hit, though sometimes a bit bumpy
- Monaco 1979 I think it will be a parade rather than a race, too narrow
- Spa-Francorchamps 1967 this is loooooong and faaaaast - and that is the disadvantage....
- Le Mans (by Frank55) enough said... too long... but NICE
- Monthlery now there's a track with potential... a nice fly-by included
- Lienz man that would not be a punishment to watch form pits (I'll probably roll down the hill again)
- Leipzig Stadtparkrennen I just like the road-structures on this one. Also one of my favourite stunt-locations for drivng on two wheels and such... a dangerous track!

I have 'done' most of these tracks online on Altbierbude and other sites, and would like to have either/and/or Loch Rannoch, Pau 67, Leipzig or Mountain Sprint.
But guys let me know how are your experiences. As experienced racers (and probably faster than me :cry:) I ask for you opinion. Let's make it 'our dream come true'...!!! (man I'm getting a bit over-excited here)

I know Sardian Heights, but this is indeed a FPS-eater (even in daytime races). Which is a shame because the track is nice enoughand very spectacular. But I am afraid that this FPS-issue and the layout will lead to 'many watchers from pits'...

[Kongo]

tracks' here, my opinion stated. Let's hear yours!

- Hitchin Track very short, not very good to see through corners, no 'outrun'
- Neurburg Village a good jump in it, and 2 way traffic, but no possibility for overtaking
- Mountain Sprint nice track, but no 'outrun', IMO it has possibilities
- Pau '67 I think this is a winner
- Loch Rannoch the various bits may make it a hit, though sometimes a bit bumpy
- Monaco 1979 I think it will be a parade rather than a race, too narrow
- Spa-Francorchamps 1967 this is loooooong and faaaaast - and that is the disadvantage....
- Le Mans (by Frank55) enough said... too long... but NICE
- Monthlery now there's a track with potential... a nice fly-by included
- Lienz man that would not be a punishment to watch form pits (I'll probably roll down the hill again)
- Leipzig Stadtparkrennen I just like the road-structures on this one. Also one of my favourite stunt-locations for drivng on two wheels and such... a dangerous track!

I know Sardian Heights, but this is indeed a FPS-eater (even in daytime races). Which is a shame because the track is nice enoughand very spectacular. But I am afraid that this FPS-issue and the layout will lead to 'many watchers from pits'...

Saridian Heights is very good for fps in the day.
As for your tracks hmmm...Neurburg Village...Not really. It has silly cut tracks and bumps and is not racable at all...better race Dragon GTL LOL!

Spa-1979...I did this in an NG race in the 70's Corvette...VEEEEERY LOOOOOONG even in that...for TC-65 it would be lame and engines could blow. The Mini konks out at the end of Le Mans' Mulsanne straight if you let off and allow it to lower in revs...jus imagine this! Even the Mustangs would find it too long...That said, Le Man's is there too...Nah way too long, either version for TC-65...Jus be a leave fest for many with that. :(

If we's havin' TC-65 then short to mid...a few longish ones if you wish but none of the silly long ones...Le Man's would takes a long time a lap in TC-65, setting it to 5 laps...imagine the time?

[Mogget]

I don't fancy any stupidly long tracks like the Nordschleife, Le Mans, or Spa 1967. I haven't raced on anywhere near as many tracks as some of you guys, so I don't have a particularly extensive list to suggest. However, over and above Snetterton 1964 and Limerock Park, I would also like to suggest Eastern Creek. This is one of the better addon tracks that I have seen, and it seems to have a nice mix of fast and technical sections.

[Kongo]

Perhaps we should keep it classic lookin' and rural?
Tracks like Snett, Rannoch and Cadwell for example of what I mean.

[rookiedaz]

How about classics like Mosport and Watkins Glen? Also another fave for me is the current Spa, but this may be a bit long. Great racing in TC-65 though, really close.

[rookiedaz]

Anythings better than poxy Anderstorp!

[grem304]

How about Lakeside, I have yet to check out the GTL version but I loved it in GPL
And being where I live I have to say Virginia

By the way Pizzaman on the eight day God realized he messed up on day 6

[Mogget]

Also another fave for me is the current Spa, but this may be a bit long. Great racing in TC-65 though, really close.

I have yet to see Spa on the TC-65+ server. I know that it's quite long compared to the other tracks (and that Bus Stop chicane is rubbish; I prefer the 2003 version), but it would still make a change.

I'd be sorry to leave out the Alfa

Why leave out the Alfa ? I would want ALL of the TC-65 cars, and quite a few of the GTC-65 cars. The Alfa wouldn't be the best car in that kind of field, so including it wouldn't be a problem.

I still reckon that Eastern Creek should be included. I personally feel that it's a better track to race on than Bathurst.

[Magaz97]

Cadwell, Croft and Brands Hatch.

Thankyou! :)

Magaz

[The Stig]

I voted for Bathurst, because it's just such a great track. The only problem is that I just can't drive a proper lap around the track. :roflmao:

[Pizzaman]

Well it seems that we have a few that are sure go, a few 'maybes' and a few problems. Let me know what you thionk though.

The sure go:
- Cadwell, I already expected this to be a hit (still my favourite too).
- Snetterton, I think everyone likes that!
- Loch Rannoch (but this is just sucking up to the admins :D)
- Limerock Park

All these tracks are about 2.5-3kms in length, taking care of the middle-length ones. What we need now is some 'city stuff' and some 'modern& fast' stuff (I hear they are making AVUS for GTL...).

The maybes:
- Taupo (hey give me a break, we need another 'Mondello short')
- Knutstorp (this will be fun when we run TC-65 and GTC-65 together)
- Mountain Sprint
- Ahvenisto
- Eastern Creek (this is coming up though to be a 'sure')
- Oulton Park (thanks Daz for reminding me, that is an awesome track)
- Hilltop, a nice classic one

We do have a problem here and that is called BATHURST. I like the track and lots more people do, but there are sure issues with it that prevent it being put to good use (like the bouncing walls). How would you all feel if we had the version from Frank55, it's still here. I remember no problems with that: http://www.nogripracing.com/details.php?filenr=832

I have even DRIVEN Eastern Creek (in a Mini of course) and I like the track. It is nicely done too and no bloody roos jumping the bloody fence this time mate. Anyone?

PLUS: I'd like to suggest TOBAN, it is available in different layouts but they are pretty varied. Nice elevations and a surprisecorner are in too. Plus it is pretty fast.

[rookiedaz]

Eastern Creek is a decent drive I think. I think you are right to have reservations about Bathurst Pizzaman, because whilst it is fantastic, it also has issues, as we know. One crash and you're out will just put people off probably. No one fancy Oulton Park? I've always loved it, and the races we had a few weeks ago on the wednesday night sever were absolute crackers.:up::up:

[Nappe1]

for the fast track, I would be suggesting Fuji 1996 edition. :) pre-1974 edition would be even faster (and really dangerous) but unfortunately no one has done a one in any game. (there is alpha version for GPL, but it has been several years unfinished, so most likely it's abandoned project. :cry:)

Suprisingly, Mini is actually quite fast at Fuji.

(nevertheless, I am not suprised if no one else likes this idea, because it's generally thought to be quite bland track... don't know for why though...)

the pre-1974 version had huge hyperbowl (instead of linear ones mostly used in U.S.) banking at the end of the mainstraight. (straight was even longer than it has been since 1974.) aaaand the banking ended very wild, slow, non banked, chicane taking back to same line as the road course had until Tilke destroy... sorry, re-designed it.

link to wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuji_Speedway

[Mogget]

I'm glad to see that Eastern Creek is being seriously considered. As for Toban, is that the one with decent graphics (for an addon track) ? If so, then I give my vote. It's got some good elevation changes, and I suspect it would produce some great races.

I know that plenty of people like Bathurst, but those "problems" that have been mentioned might ruin races for the unlucky few, and that would just cause frustration.

I would normally approve of Oulton Park, but I really didn't like the version that I tried recently. The hairpin seemed to be very poorly modelled, and the track looked almost "polygonal" in that section. I seem to remember the GPL version of the track being a LOT better.

As far as "fast" tracks are concerned, I'm not a big fan. Monza is one of the most boring default tracks (IMO), and I tend to prefer those tracks that require a bit more skill to negotiate. The old Hockenheim is another track that I always considered to be a bit of a joke. Racing is supposed to be about more than just raw power.

[Kongo]

There is another nice street track that's well suited to TC-65 but...I can't remeber what it's called...A1 Ring I think...Has a part where you go under s flyover...This is it in the dark but obviously we'll be in the day...

[lowndes888]

There is another nice street track that's well suited to TC-65 but...I can't remeber what it's called...A1 Ring I think...Has a part where you go under s flyover...This is it in the dark but obviously we'll be in the day...

Can't be A1 Ring, thats the name of the ex-Austrian GP track

[Kongo]

Can't be A1 Ring, thats the name of the ex-Austrian GP track

It is an Aussie track. :)

[Pizzaman]

I think you mean AF-GTL 1, which is a made-up track and even has a busstop in it. It features a fly-over, and is also a pretty fast one.
http://www.nogripracing.com/screenshots_t/screen1460.jpg

For the Australian track, I think you mean Hidden Valley? But that's a tunnel if I am not mistaken. It also has a bridge in it (I managed to fall off it, yes... in case you wondered how I know that:roflmao:)
http://www.nogripracing.com/screenshots_t/screen12097.jpg

Lowndes, your vote please! :D:up:

[Kongo]

I think you mean AF-GTL 1, which is a made-up track and even has a busstop in it. It features a fly-over, and is also a pretty fast one.
http://www.nogripracing.com/screenshots_t/screen1460.jpg

For the Australian track, I think you mean Hidden Valley? But that's a tunnel if I am not mistaken. It also has a bridge in it (I managed to fall off it, yes... in case you wondered how I know that:roflmao:)
http://www.nogripracing.com/screenshots_t/screen12097.jpg

Ah yes, AF-GTL 1 that one, perfect track to add.
The other week NG raced that in Falcons. :)

[Mogget]

For the Australian track, I think you mean Hidden Valley? But that's a tunnel if I am not mistaken. It also has a bridge in it (I managed to fall off it, yes... in case you wondered how I know that)

Hidden Valley has neither a bridge nor a tunnel. I think that you are referring to Oran Park.

[Pizzaman]

Hidden Valley has neither a bridge nor a tunnel. I think that you are referring to Oran Park.

You are right, just checked it. Can't remember all 256 tracks that I have...
I''l go search, I kinow another good one.

Meantime, will you guys try out 'the other Bathurst'?
http://www.nogripracing.com/details.php?filenr=832

http://www.nogripracing.com/screenshots_t/screen1420.jpghttp://www.nogripracing.com/screenshots_t/screen1421.jpg

[Kongo]

The other bathurst ios a little nasty round the hill to the slalom part.
It seems too sharp and if your not careful, willc ause all kinds of funny stuff.

This is why, when we have to at NG GTL league, we use the other dodgy one...cause they all are! :(

[rookiedaz]

Hidden Valley was a right laugh last week. The full version of Oran Park didn't flow as well to me, but as said before Eastern Creek is pretty cool. @Mogget; just as racing isn't just about power, gaming isn't just about graphics. The Oulton Island circuit is well worth a bash! How about european circuits like Zandvoort, the older layout of course. If you have 250 odd tracks Pizzaman, you really should have enough to refer to!:D

[Mogget]

Daz,

Yeah, my introduction to online racing has made me a bit less critical of certain addon tracks (when I was only racing offline, I wanted the graphical quality to be almost perfect). Nevertheless, I still think that the hairpin section of track at the Oulton Island circuit looks a bit "weird". It could do with being smoothed out.

[Pizzaman]

How about european circuits like Zandvoort, the older layout of course. If you have 250 odd tracks Pizzaman, you really should have enough to refer to!:D

Well yes and I have done them all, but it's like women; you never forget your first girlfriend, there are some impressve ones, but the rest goes kinda 'forgotten', shall we say... :uhm:

Well, some European tracks are pretty cool. I think Zandvoort though is kinda bland to look at. I like tracks that have some shrubbery and other stuff to obscure some bends, so the upcoming one will be a surprise if you don't know it... and tracks that have some elevation into it, even if this means you have to keep the Mini up speed or else you'll get bogged due to lack of power (in GTL: lots of fat-ass).

Maybe it is because I am Dutch, like Germans love water (which we have plenty and they do not) and lots of them come here for the holidays and we like mountains (which we have not) so we go to Germany...

[Kongo]

BTW driver weight in GTL is 80KG so it says so it's not fat-asses inc ars but the weight they put the car at anyways.
Hell, I weigh way over that. :D

Gym + race car = :confused: has anyone done this?

My Mini when i get it will see me and cry. :D
Nah it'll be fine, I'll jus treat it to a few specialist parts. :yes:

[Pizzaman]

Well, not really a problem.But wit the GTL-Mini I am always nagging.
Can'timagine a Mini weiging that much, even with the driver on board.
Mine weighs 620 kg (I HAD IT WEIGHED) and that is with full upholstery and a 750 RMS bass in the back, plus amps and all. :argue:
BTW I cannot imagine an A-series having 140 hp and not going conk after 3 laps either... :crazy:

Well anyway, I weigh about 96 kilo now and at the top of training I weighed about 110-115, and still drove a Mini... still kicked ass! :D:up:
Handy was that when the battery went dead I would open the door, put contact on, push it, make speed, jump in and drive away... I still do that sometimes just for fun and to see the amazed look on peoples faces :p

But I''d like some more suggestions for tracks.
Anyone, could you make a hotlist? I know that some tracks are DEFINATELY not gonna make it...

[Kongo]

Well, not really a problem.But wit the GTL-Mini I am always nagging.
Can'timagine a Mini weiging that much, even with the driver on board.
Mine weighs 620 kg (I HAD IT WEIGHED) and that is with full upholstery and a 750 RMS bass in the back, plus amps and all. :argue:
BTW I cannot imagine an A-series having 140 hp and not going conk after 3 laps either... :crazy:

Dude, these ain't any car, they are racers so they can run fine.
What about tune ups now? People have A-Series engines to 180BHP and above if you supercharge and they run fine...

I need to get this months mag so I can read about the 1600cc Mini. Whoa LOL!

[Pizzaman]

I wouldn't go over 1380 cc, after all it is just amn old three-bearing engine.
NO crossflow, NO overhead cam...

But then, I have always abused mine to the max and it has lasted me 250.000 km.
Now it needs probably a rebore and a new cam and some other stuff.
never needed any special care or maintenance.
I must admit that I was thinking about supercharging it, but back then the Shorrock Supercharger would only fit RHD Minis (because of the hydraulic brake and clutch)

I wonder how reliable it will be with all this stuff on it. And maybe you'd need it serviced every 500 miles?

Well, I'll hear from ya how you go. At least you can have your Mini like whatever you like- fried, well-done, rare, whatever, it is all possible in Mini-Mini-Mini-World!

[Kongo]

I wouldn't go over 1380 cc, after all it is just amn old three-bearing engine.
NO crossflow, NO overhead cam...

But then, I have always abused mine to the max and it has lasted me 250.000 km.
Now it needs probably a rebore and a new cam and some other stuff.
never needed any special care or maintenance.
I must admit that I was thinking about supercharging it, but back then the Shorrock Supercharger would only fit RHD Minis (because of the hydraulic brake and clutch)

I wonder how reliable it will be with all this stuff on it. And maybe you'd need it serviced every 500 miles?

Well, I'll hear from ya how you go. At least you can have your Mini like whatever you like- fried, well-done, rare, whatever, it is all possible in Mini-Mini-Mini-World!

LOL!
Well when I get full info I'll send ya the skinny on the new superchargers a dude made by modding new Cooper S ones and adding a different manifold plate to achive compression level without changing too much...

I don't see the problem. Noone ever says they need to service their Mini's after such small milage.

Here's last months feature Mini (http://www.magazineclassifieds.co.uk/search/miniworld/details/96035/FLAME_GRILLED_1430.php) Up for sale and has done more miles then you stated and is still stated as a runner. :) And it's a 1430cc too. :yes:
Jus check out it's camber angle too, such a wide squat stance...and look, see if you can see something different? :)

I want it!

[Pizzaman]

Ehhhh... serviced = change oil, plugs, filters etc.... normally every 5,000 - 10,000 km.
what I have is 250,000 km on it (maybe shoul dhave put , instead of ..
This car has 200 bhp/ton, so about the same as mine. It probably weighs less, I see a lot of GRP... 1430 is pretty close to the maximum bore though, but you'll find out as you read those mags more. BTW I run 11:1 compression, that''s the max with un-added fuel. For supercharging you need around 1:8.5 or so. That would mean I need a 1/4 inch gasket....

[CX650]

We do have a problem here and that is called BATHURST. I like the track and lots more people do, but there are sure issues with it that prevent it being put to good use.

If you're gonna go all Blue Peter on us, count me out.

[Kongo]

Ehhhh... serviced = change oil, plugs, filters etc.... normally every 5,000 - 10,000 km.
what I have is 250,000 km on it (maybe shoul dhave put , instead of ..
This car has 200 bhp/ton, so about the same as mine. It probably weighs less, I see a lot of GRP... 1430 is pretty close to the maximum bore though, but you'll find out as you read those mags more. BTW I run 11:1 compression, that''s the max with un-added fuel. For supercharging you need around 1:8.5 or so. That would mean I need a 1/4 inch gasket....

Compression on these is different and comes with a plate for your engine type.
You need to specify.

[Pizzaman]

If you're gonna go all Blue Peter on us, count me out.

What is Blue Peter, is that like... ehh well, I may say something bad here...
You'd better explain! :p:confused:

What I mean is, there is another version of Bathurst. I like the track and it is very (GT)Legendary. But if we are all going to get conked between the walls or end up in apit, we better not hae it unless people state that they can live with it.

I know it has been used in a league-race once ore twice, but we are starting an add-on server here and we'll have one set and that's it. No monthly download and/or maintenance required! So I want to make sure we all agree on having it in despite the problem.

I am fine with the walls (LOL!) or with the pit. The pit-problem is, that if you drive to fast there you'll get launched by the bump and end up in the kitty litter. Now I have never raced the REAL Bathurst, but it may just have been that way. I know it is the same at the end of the straight in Monthlery, too fast and you are 'bushed'...

So, please try the track (they are both available here) and let me know what you think.

[Pizzaman]

Well, I got it now what he meant by this Peter. No way this is gonna be Peter-ed!
If we want Bathurst, then by hell we will have Bathurst!
Just want to make sure:

DUDES: There are two versions of Bathurst, which one would you like?
I guess could start a seperate poll on that one, but would'nt you aal bite me if I kept on polling, would I be called Polly online? :rolleyes:

Bathurst by Frank55 is the one with the pit:
http://www.nogripracing.com/details.php?filenr=832

Bathurst by MMM (Mr Man Mod Team) is the one with the walls:
http://www.nogripracing.com/details.php?filenr=1161

[Kongo]

Well, I got it now what he meant by this Peter. No way this is gonna be Peter-ed!
If we want Bathurst, then by hell we will have Bathurst!
Just want to make sure:

DUDES: There are two versions of Bathurst, which one would you like?
I guess could start a seperate poll on that one, but would'nt you aal bite me if I kept on polling, would I be called Polly online? :rolleyes:

Bathurst by Frank55 is the one with the pit:
http://www.nogripracing.com/details.php?filenr=832

Bathurst by MMM (Mr Man Mod Team) is the one with the walls:
http://www.nogripracing.com/details.php?filenr=1161

If we have to then Franks one.
It's no way as good but at least there is no launch ramps.
Oh BTW, in the escort eons ago I drove over one at slow speed. They are jus ramps that look like walls LOL!

A bit err...Long for TC-65 tho?
Surely only 5 laps?

[Pizzaman]

Yes, IMO 5 laps is just about right. This is tried and tested in GC-servers and has several reasons:

- You do not have to wait too long if your car goes FUBAR till next race;
- People can join more often, as you can only join between races;
- If you make more laps, attention shifts from being fast and having fun to strategy and 'keeping the thing in one piece';
- Also it would mean people could't join for a (few) short race(s) between coffee and bedtime...

So I guess we'll keep the five laps, unless people here vote otherwise.
Meanwhile I am starting to get a feeling what tracks we'll have and Bathurst definately is gonna be one of them! I think it is the longest track though, others will be shorter. Here's a list of standings so far:

- Bathurst (most likely the Frank55 version)
- Cadwel Park
- Limerock Park
- Snetterton 1964
- Loch Rannoch
- Ahvenisto
- Eastern Creek

A few which got a few hands, if nobody objects I'd like to put them in:
- Pau 67
- Bremgarten
- Monthlery
- Mantorp Park
- Taupo
- Knutstorp
- AF-1 GTL

Other candidates, suggested either online or by PM, some I just remembered: let me know how you think
- Bullrun
- Lakeside
- Watkins Glenn
- Croft
- Essington GP
- Goodwood
- Birmingham USA
- Brands Hatch
- Oulton Park

I asked Whoops how many tracks the server will take (SO FAR i DUNNO), original GTL has about 25. I also asked him how many players the server will take.

Maybe we could put them all in, but I want to make sure that they're all OK with you, plus I don't know if we want that much tracks. For having just a few hours of evening fun, maybe we don't want to learn so many... May take a while for you all to try all those tracks (or at last have a look), but let me know. My intentions are that this server gets used as a 'new' TC-65+ server, only this time we all have a say in what tracks will be!

My brother is gonna put up FRAPS so if I get some time I may get a video from each proposed track upon somewhere so you can have a look at a 'leisurely lap around the track'... but I'd prefer if you put down some of your own experiences.

[rookiedaz]

All looks good to me pizzaman. Lakeside,Croft,Brands Hatch,Watkins Glen,Goodwood and Oulton all get the thumbs up from me. Would be more fun to have more tracks to learn I think.:up:

[Kongo]

Sounds good.
For Birmingham USA it has to be Sprint. We are running it in Mini League tomorrow and I did some practise jus now.
It's right addictive number and perfect for TC-65.

Tonight I ran 1:9.547 but it'll get faster tomorrow I hope. :)

I wonder...if we's adding cars...can my Mini come? :)
Not too many more for each model tho for example, some cars like the Mustang already have enough so not too many more added. :yes:

[Pizzaman]

On the subject of add-on cars, I think there are quite a few of us that have their own preferred ride. We all must decide if we're having any, and/or the R8 Gordini or others that will come.

However, even though I do have one too (Mini 11p), I'd prefer to have the ones in that 'should have been there in the first place' (sorry Kongo ;)). Like we have a lack of Abarths (WTF 'there can be only one...?' is this 'Highlander')... and NO MINI in BRG with a white roof (shame!), no red-with-white-roof Mini, no Britax-Cooper... Also we could use a few more colors for the Alfas (hands up who's sick of that white and red one! :D:up:) and a few more Falcons. I have seen quite a few historic skins which I'd prefer to be put in before thinking about personalised cars, which are IMO better left to leagues. Exception: I think there should be one for admins only to race but that should be a cop-car (how about that Falcon Cop-car :D or we'll make an absurdly fast Gordini Gendarmerie... didn't the Italian Policia use ALfas, oh yes, but they used Giulias... and GC already HAS a Police-Mini)

For now let's concentrate on the tracks and think about cars later on, although I'd welcome any suggestions. We also have to decide if we are having some of the GTC-65 cars as well. I imagine the Alpine wouldn't hurt, and some others maybe. Just nothing too fancy, else we get the same effect as the TC-65 server but with another car...

[Mogget]

If you really, positively must have extra colour schemes, then I would prefer the total to be kept to a minimum. In addition, I think it would be a good idea to have a single download package for these cars, otherwise every new guy that hits the server will be looking all over the place for the required downloads.

In addition, I would prefer not to have to install any addon cars like the TR4 or Renault Gordini. I don't really think that we need them for something like this, since there should be a decent selection of cars already.

By the way, do we have a list of the car types that will be available ? Presumably, all of the TC65 cars will be included, but I really do think that a reasonable selection of GTC65 cars should also be available. What about the list below.... ?

Lotus Elite
Renault Alpine
Austin Healey
Ferrari 275GTB
Shelby GT350
Mercedes 300SL
Jaguar E-Type

[Kongo]

If you really, positively must have extra colour schemes, then I would prefer the total to be kept to a minimum. In addition, I think it would be a good idea to have a single download package for these cars, otherwise every new guy that hits the server will be looking all over the place for the required downloads.

In addition, I would prefer not to have to install any addon cars like the TR4 or Renault Gordini. I don't really think that we need them for something like this, since there should be a decent selection of cars already.

By the way, do we have a list of the car types that will be available ? Presumably, all of the TC65 cars will be included, but I really do think that a reasonable selection of GTC65 cars should also be available. What about the list below.... ?

Lotus Elite
Renault Alpine
Austin Healey
Ferrari 275GTB
Shelby GT350
Mercedes 300SL
Jaguar E-Type

Yeah i think minumal. Right now i am finally re-instaling GTL since having it after it was first released! :eek:
It's getting very dodgy so I think it's in order BUT at the same time...I'm shgedding ALOT of standalones...for tonight i will only have the Mini pack in for the Mini league......should run much better.

If we are having some, may i suggest a limit of 5 per model.
I did that myself once and for a while it worked fine...then I got DL mad again. :o

BTW, the cars high lighted in BOLD TYPE are too damn fast for this class.
The Shelby GT350 doesn't steer much better but it's a rocket on the straights.
All of these cars highlighted go to 140MPH and that's too much considering most steer very well too...the healey however I am unsure about but i think that's too fast too.

Alpine and Elite are fine...tho the Elite is useless (it's not really as slow as GTL makes it to be even stock!)...be interesting to see the Alpine......dont think it's any faster...

Maybe we should call this server something to do with power class and not TC-65+ for example like an "Underdogs" server...but not called that...you get me? :D

[Pizzaman]

I think we should call it 'greatest hits', that will cover the load :D:up:
And yes, no multiple-downloads, one pack and that will be it. I also totally agree with 5 cars (skins, if you want) max per model, only 'historic' ones and 'the ones that should be in' (better vote for that in a bseparate thread else it gets to be a mess). Maybe I better say 'periodically correct'', that is, if we agree to have any. Else it will be the standard-pack.

As far as GTC-65 goes, I have my doubts about that, though it doesn't mean I can't be convinced (if you all say let's have it, we'll have it!). I know I cannot keep up with the Alfas with the Mini, I get better times with the Alfa. I get even better times with the Alpine... This means we're shifting from Alfa to Alpine, and soon everyone will be driving Alpines like now they all drive Alfas... Not that the Alpine is slow, on these tracks I bet they can catch an Elan and certainly a GT350. GTC-65 is just far more balanced (balanced??) than TC-65 as far as competition is concerned. Or at least 'everybody will have their chance', although cars differ greatly.

As the most popular server currently is TC-65, I suppose we best take that. If the add-on server is a succes, we can always decide to let in the GTC-65 cars afterwards or if it is a huge succes I am sure a GTC-65 add-on server will be started (silently, I am hoping the whole world wil catch on to this, ditch Anderstorp, and make these their standard-set of tracks...). So, unless we all want some, let's not worry about it :zen:.

So far, the only worthwhile TC-65 download is the Gordini, and that is sooo slooooow nobody uses it online and I think nobody ever will if we put it in. If we get an Anglia or something, we'll vote about having that in after we try it. For TC-65, I don't think we'll need any add-ons of that sort unless somebody wants to vote the Toyota (one vote won't go anywhere in this case..).

I am trying to get this a bit all-have-your-say, without being too democratic I hope. I think we sould have some add-on cars, as this also is sort of a guarantee we don't get just any :chair: that has GTL on the server. At least they'll be a member of NoGrip, GC, RSC, Altbierbude or something which means they have some sort of notion about online-racing... also that admins on these forums can :slap: if they behave like a :crazy:

[Mogget]

I was under the impression that this was going to be a GTC-65 server, but that the TC-65 cars would be included ? I know that some of those cars that I mentioned are pretty fast next to the TC-65 cars, but does that really matter ? If I wanted to drive a Mustang or a Mini Cooper, I would drive one. Surely some guys around here don't just race online to win ? I know that some members of the online world do exactly that on the TC-65+ server every time that they race, but they're just idiots. Quite why they feel the need to race in a setup Alfa every single time is beyond my ability to understand :confused:

For example, I have three races to go with the Mustang in my offline track list, and then I will be moving to the Abarth. That means that I will be driving the Abarth online aswell. The fact that I'll have no chance of winning is irrelevant. I will enjoy seeing how many Alfa fanboys I can beat ;)

[Pizzaman]

I bet you can beat many. I sometimes do (beacuse the Alfa fanboys do not always keep it on the straight and narrow.. :D)..

Still may get to be a GTC AND TC 65 server, we'll see what everybody wants --> just hope they will vote! But we might get the Alfa-boys, now they just will be out in the Ferrari... or whatever... (can I get an Elan or E-type pleeeeeease!). From what I gather, every GTL-player has one car in TC-65 which is his favourite, one car in GTC-65 and one in GT-TC-76. Mine are Mini, Elan/E-type/Alpine and Capri... Ehhh, this means I didn't yet choose a favourite for GTC-65, as I usually race online only in TC-65 (or #2 Altbierbude) or in #1 Altbierbude which is GT-TC-76 but at least I can keep up...

BTW if/when there's gonna be GTC-65, I would vote for having the TR-4 (and other cars that Butch will produce, if they are just as good). I am also pretty sure that a decent Mini-driver can kill off some GTC-65 cars on these tracks, I will for sure kill GT-350s on Knutstorp! But, guess you won't kill a Cobra on ANY track with a Mini (unless that track is 1.30 m wide and runs along a cliff :roflmao:) but you can get them with an Elan.

The succes of the add-on server is depending on us all to have our say, so I'd say start splashing out your ideas. Now gentlemen: your votes, but let's keep the cars to a second thread.

[Kongo]

As far as GTC-65 goes, I have my doubts about that, though it doesn't mean I can't be convinced (if you all say let's have it, we'll have it!). I know I cannot keep up with the Alfas with the Mini, I get better times with the Alfa. I get even better times with the Alpine... This means we're shifting from Alfa to Alpine, and soon everyone will be driving Alpines like now they all drive Alfas... Not that the Alpine is slow, on these tracks I bet they can catch an Elan and certainly a GT350. GTC-65 is just far more balanced (balanced??) than TC-65 as far as competition is concerned. Or at least 'everybody will have their chance', although cars differ greatly.

Alpine catch an Elan!? Absurd! Any track and I'll show ya.
The Elan is the all rounder and cannot be beaten by an Alpine on either a twisty or drag racing course.
Even the best NG drivers have trouble doing that, as hapened on one wednesday league race. :yes: Elan can run round a Cobra and GT40 too if given the chance...ah those were the days...before I could drive the Cobra that is then I wondered how i managed to do so LOL! :OMG:

Say, leaving them out then...can we at least have the Corolla in...be a change from the Alfa. Still...Mini CAN beat an Alfa as Henk, Ross, Dahlman and I will prove. :)

A Mini even beats a porsche 911...but we'll leave that one for now...still don't know where I can upload that replay! :hehehe:

Anyways...got a nice clean GTL now.
Low mods and freshly installed...loads up well quick! :OMG:

Reason being......look underneath. :hehehe:

.

[grem304]

...tho the Elite is useless (it's not really as slow as GTL makes it to be even stock!)...

I'll run an Elite! and will see.....my group44 paint? I'm digging now for my online key and I'll probably find it by the time everything comes together.

[Kongo]

...tho the Elite is useless (it's not really as slow as GTL makes it to be even stock!)...
I'll run an Elite! and will see.....my group44 paint? I'm digging now for my online key and I'll probably find it by the time everything comes together.

As long as you don't mind being lapped by Abarth...sure. :)

[grem304]

For all the bad press it gets I love that little car and have turned some of my best lap times with it on the tight courses. Actually have run better times in it on Nords than I have been able to do with any of the GT65's. Will see about getting lapped !!

[Kongo]

For all the bad press it gets I love that little car and have turned some of my best lap times with it on the tight courses. Actually have run better times in it on Nords than I have been able to do with any of the GT65's. Will see about getting lapped !!

:up: That's the spirit...lets jus hope it holds out! :hehehe:

[Mogget]

For all the bad press it gets I love that little car and have turned some of my best lap times with it on the tight courses. Actually have run better times in it on Nords than I have been able to do with any of the GT65's. Will see about getting lapped !!

Since I run all of my offline races with default setup cars, it's interesting to compare those cars that I have already driven. Whilst the Lotus Cortina and Mini Cooper are consistently faster than the Elite, I have to mention that my Mustang times on some of the tighter tracks are only slightly better than the little Lotus. I recently ran several short GTL races on the GTR2 Estoril track, and the Elite can fly around some of those tight corners, whereas the Mustang negotiates them like a tank. The latter only makes up the time on the long start/finish straight, and the section between Curva VIP and Parabolica Interior.

I am aware that most drivers would be selecting the faster GTC-65 cars from my proposed list, but there will always be a few of us who like to have a bit more of a challenge now and again. It would be great to see grem304 kicking some ass in his Elite :)

[Pizzaman]

I wonder if he will still like it after being blasted by 5 other dudes who drive 'whatever is the fastest car around'.
I know I wouldn't, and would rather have those guys pick an Alfa, Falcon or Mustang which I have a decent chance on catching on most of these tracks.

I know some of us may be sportier, but there are more that think drive-to-win is a bit preferred above 'always being the underdog'.
Then there are some that will drive just THAT car... (wont mention any names :P)

For now, let's concentrate on the tracks, shall we?

[Mogget]

A Mini even beats a porsche 911...but we'll leave that one for now...still don't know where I can upload that replay!

I wouldn't be at all surprised, assuming that the Porsche driver was using the default setup (turn the wheel, spin, repeat until bored) ;)

Then there are some that will drive just THAT car...

Are you referring to my current love affair with the Mustang ? If so, I would like to point out that I haven't driven this car online for the past week. It has been a mixture of Lotus Elite and Mini Cooper, with the occasional Lotus Cortina thrown in for good measure.

OK, back to the tracks. I would be quite happy to race on all of the tracks that you have suggested, even though I have never seen half of them. I just hope that this problem with Bathurst doesn't end up ruining too many races.....

[Pizzaman]

Are you referring to my current love affair with the Mustang ? If so, I would like to point out that I haven't driven this car online for the past week. It has been a mixture of Lotus Elite and Mini Cooper, with the occasional Lotus Cortina thrown in for good measure.
Actually, I was referring to my Mini-fanatism... :D

I would be quite happy to race on all of the tracks that you have suggested, even though I have never seen half of them. I just hope that this problem with Bathurst doesn't end up ruining too many races.....
I am currently testing them for bugs, hope others are doing so as well.
Bathurst won't be a problem, looks like we'll use Frank 55s . I think that in real life when you go full speed through 'the pit' you'll also get launched.

[grem304]

:sherlock: Was searching your list and No Virginia? :cry: Don't have any problems with the ones I've tested so far. Well maybe my driving :drive2: but nothing to do with the tracks. Although at Bathurst if you load up too many cars 2 paints will show on one car. I think I had 19 opponents loaded in both runs I did and with that many cars 2 end up in the same pit. So field size may be a concern. Not putting it down I want to run there.
Lets see if mental telepathy works. :zen:
Vvviiirrrrrrginnnnniaaaaaa ...... Vvviiirrrrrrginnnnniaaaaaa........ Vvvirrrrrr

I have 2 disc for GTL the CD and the DVD version. I loaded the game originally with the CD but am having problems finding the paperwork for it. Will the DVD key work or will I have to reload GTL with the DVD disc. I've never registered to play online if that makes any difference.

Elite and TR4

[Pizzaman]

Hi Grem, I actually overlooked it a bit, because it said over 5 km in lenght.
However I see that there's also a north- and south version (which I also overlooked). That would be perfectly suitable! :D

By the way, Whoops told me that there isn't much limit to the amount of tracks we can put in. Let's not make it Altbierbude, however. I still have to test some more tracks, then will post my thoughts about them here. Or you can beat me to it! :D:up:

In Bathurst, as with many more tracks, there's a limit to the pit-boxes (Cadwell too). This would be a problem when having more players than the number of pit-boxes online. But we'll start out with 16 players (this is a manageable limit for the admins too in case some do misbehave), however the server does not limit the amount of players to 16. But we'll see.:cool:

In an offline- game, if you choose all Minis and you have not enough skins, it will also duplicate a number of cars. So that is not a 'problem' related to the track. ;)

You DO need to register online, and for that you need the data.
It would be useful anyway to have a fresh GTL-install or second GTL-install for online purposes so you can muck around with that, and not lose your championship-recods and such. For instance, you should use the all-completed-cheat to open up all the cars in your online-version. With a second install, you can leave your 'single-player' install untouched and it wont suffer any delays from any add-ons.

[grem304]

I decided to do a seperate install for online use anyway so there won't be a mismatch problem if I forget to swap out some of the files I've played with.

I mentioned Virginia because it's kind of a home track for me. That and Summit Point which is unfortunatly not in GTL although I'm working on that. I've attended many races at both tracks, raced motorcycles at Summit Point and was able to drive a friends car at VIR. Lovely track !

I'm getting things in order so I'll be ready soon to make my racing debut in GTL. Watch out for the angry Elite:D

I feel the Toyota would give the Alpha some competition

[Pacanto]

Albi! Fun track!

[Pizzaman]

Yes I'd feel the Toyota could give the Alfa some competition too.
But then we'll have a REAL add-on car (the others are basically stand-alone skins),
and I do not know what everybody else thinks of it. I have it already, as the TR and the rest... I am a conversion-nutter. I'll start a thread on add-on cars online, Kongo has already polled if thre's any need for conversions so that would be an extension of his poll.
As far as now, we'll have some more colors and that's it, we could always see how it goes.

However, the primary business of the add-on server would be to 'rejuvenate' GTL after two years of online abuse, people getting weary of Anderstorp.

Pacanto, good to see ya here too, we do not have Albi here at NGR, I do have it and it is a fun track (good lenght too).
But I'd only opt for it if it also gets hosted here, want everybody able to get it....
But they might host a track-pack, in which case I only object because people here cannot 'try it before you buy it'...

[grem304]

So now I up and did it, installed another GTL for racing online. Big problems, Now I can't access my other install because it wants the cd code from the cd I installed it from. And that info is buried somewhere around here.(got a 7year old son that likes to read my game manuals) Then the second install is giving me fits. First no FF in game then when I tried to go online and race when I get into the pits I have no response from my controls. I was able to get it to work for a couple races and had fun at one and the other race had a wreaker in it.:mad: think he was mad to see a Elite leading his CSL around Nord's so he took me out. At any rate I'm gearing up for some fun with you all.

[Pizzaman]

Latest list:
We might decide to have some GTC-65 cars, so we need to make sure the TC-65 cars get the best possible tracks else TC-65 gets wasted!!!

Sure hits, got them tested and OK, more than 2-3 votes
- Bathurst (most likely the Frank55 version)
- Cadwel Park
- Limerock Park
- Snetterton 1964
- Loch Rannoch
- Ahvenisto
- Eastern Creek
- Pau 67
- Birmingham USA
- Toban

A few which got a few hands, if nobody objects I'd like to put them in:
- Bremgarten
- Monthlery
- Mantorp Park
- Taupo
- Knutstorp
- AF-1 GTL
- Leipzig Stadtparkrennen 1967
- Virginia

STILL let me know how you think about these
- Bullrun
- Lakeside + 1 notch..
- Watkins Glenn
- Croft
- Essington GP
- Goodwood
- Brands Hatch
- Oulton Park

TWO I'd like you to consider-think about:
-Albi (not here at NoGrip, but you can get it either at Bierbude or GC)
- Whales Cost (no this is not in Wales, its in Portugal on the coast) --> get it @ Bierbude!

Kongo and some others suggested we can use the short versions if there are different versions of the track (like Toban). This seems like a good idea. I dunno how, but Whoops probably knows cause I've never seen Magny Cours full-size on GC.... or maybe that's just GTL & Murphy playing on me.

I asked Whoops, we can put in as many as we like. But I propose a limit (as the daily download on NoGrip will only allow??). Let me knowwwwwww guys! I would really like your comments on all of them, so there won't be a disappointement when we stick'em in the server!

[Kongo]

Latest list:
We might decide to have some GTC-65 cars, so we need to make sure the TC-65 cars get the best possible tracks else TC-65 gets wasted!!!

Sure hits, got them tested and OK, more than 2-3 votes
- Bathurst (most likely the Frank55 version)
- Cadwel Park
- Limerock Park
- Snetterton 1964
- Loch Rannoch
- Ahvenisto
- Eastern Creek
- Pau 67
- Birmingham USA
- Toban

A few which got a few hands, if nobody objects I'd like to put them in:
- Bremgarten
- Monthlery
- Mantorp Park
- Taupo
- Knutstorp
- AF-1 GTL
- Leipzig Stadtparkrennen 1967

STILL let me know how you think about these
- Bullrun
- Lakeside
- Watkins Glenn
- Croft
- Essington GP
- Goodwood
- Brands Hatch
- Oulton Park


Sounds good as long as "- Bathurst (most likely the Frank55 version)" gets changed to "- Bathurst (WILL be the Frank55 version). :yes: :hehehe:


..............I jus hope all this planning doesn't get wasted by only 3 people ever turing up....

[grem304]

Dang mental telepathy didn't work :) Truthfully I'll just be happy to run with a bunch of great guys having fun with the cars of my youth.

[Pizzaman]

Dang mental telepathy didn't work :) Truthfully I'll just be happy to run with a bunch of great guys having fun with the cars of my youth.

Dammit & thundercrap, I have forgotten to put in Virginia :banghead::chair:.
Consider a sure-go, I have also heard on Altbierbude that it is a good track.
I am also checking that our versions of the tracks are the same as theirs.
That way we'll get some 'visitors and there won't be 3 on the server...:D

[Pizzaman]

Sounds good as long as "- Bathurst (most likely the Frank55 version)" gets changed to "- Bathurst (WILL be the Frank55 version). :yes: :hehehe:


..............I jus hope all this planning doesn't get wasted by only 3 people ever turing up....

Kongo, consider it 'will be Frank 55 version unless someone fixes the walls in the MMM version'
As said above, I am also counting on some joiners from Bierbude. There are a lot of add-on freaks there, and:

#1. they do not have to download the tracks and the cars.
#2. Although the Bierbudeserver #2 runs TC-65, there are usually only a heap of people on the Bierbudeserver #1, and I KNOW the TC-65 players at Bierbude are looking for some competition

It's easy for them to join the GC-add-on server.

We also won't bre alone out there because:
- people who drop out of the race at the other GC-servers, woud only need to download the pack ONCE and they'd be 'in for life'. That's why there's such a lot of preparation, no changes for at least six months and then we'll probably have another vote before we change anything.

Now what would they do, if the TC-65 server is busy/full or they drop out of a race? usually they visit some other servers and race there. Lots of wreckers and no admins, sucks bigtime, but hey, better than watching from pits a heap of Alfas going around Anderstorp... My guess is they'll download the pack, and join us and if they like it (I guess after 2 years a lot of the experienced players will like it) they may stick around...!

[grem304]

Wouldn't mind seeing Lakeside bumped up a notch.

[Nappe1]

not to want crush the party or something, but the Forgotten Tracks 3 server has been running now almost a week again and if I don't count Jevgen and I, there has been only 4 other players during the whole week and biggest number of the racers at the same time has been "whopping" Three.

[rookiedaz]

Nappe, I wish I could join anytime, but GF is fairly insistent that she isn't going to turn into a GTL widow.:cry::o

[Nappe1]

Nappe, I wish I could join anytime, but GF is fairly insistent that she isn't going to turn into a GTL widow.:cry::o

explanation accepted. ;)
:roflmao:

well, I don't think we weren't even expecting huge masses of racers, but during spring time we had at least 4-6 racers.

Another thing is that while I am running the server on this very same computer, I have to shut it down if I want to join at GC-TC65+
(which I am almost committed to do time to time, after I was promoted as moderator there.) nevertheless, if FT3 server would have 3 or 4 players already when I am launching the game, I most likely would race there instead of GC-TC65+

[rookiedaz]

@Nappe, thankyou. It still sucks I can't get on all these servers I see on the go though.:( I particularly like doing the lesser known tracks, there are some real gems out there..

[Pizzaman]

Problem is, that when you have time to go racing, someone else may have it too. This means that while you join another server, the RP 'forgotten tracks' server is down.

I'll try to join if I can, unfortunately it's only in weeekends and friday nights. Last week was just a lucky thing....

[Pizzaman]

Here's what happens when you hit the walls in MMM Bathurst...
NB: I did hit this full-speed, suppose it's the same thing in real life.

http://www.nogripracing.com/gallery/data/503/medium/What_side_up.jpg

[Kongo]

Here's what happens when you hit the walls in MMM Bathurst...
NB: I did hit this full-speed, suppose it's the same thing in real life.

http://www.nogripracing.com/gallery/data/503/medium/What_side_up.jpg

Exactly...now do that in an Escort / GT40 and you'll see my problems in the NG league...and everybody elses, with this tack. :hehehe:

[Pizzaman]

Gonnan be Frank 55's for sure. By the way, tha problem with 'the dipper' is there for real.
I asked around, seems like this is an actual problem here with the real track too.
Too fast through the dipper and you'll not touch ground before you have to turn right...
and there you are in a right lotta shite... hahahaha I am gonna laugh at the ones going too fast!
But then, there's a lot of tracks that have this... and we'll have fun with it!

[Kongo]

I ran the Mustang around Franks version...the steep hills meant the front should have "Banana'd" before the dipper as I nosedived many a time...dunno how bigger cars survive! Prob why we dont use this for league races...

[Mogget]

That section of track looks very narrow.

On a side note, the number 11p is particularly appropriate. That's probably what your car's gonna be worth after it hits the ground :)

[Pizzaman]

I know... SunAlp2 (KING of skins) made it for me. It's not gonna be on the add-on server though, not a historical skin (not even close). I have it uploaded on Altbierbude too, by theway, I get funny remarks. Especially when they see the roof (which gets shown quite often).

Anyone else probelems with Frank55's version? I think it is quite realistic, this dip.
You have to brake for it, even in the Mini, or you'll get launched on exit.
This means you stick your car up a tree somewhere round next right turn.
Actually, this is also what you get on Monthlery: 'AIR TIME".... :D

http://www.nogripracing.com/gallery/data/503/Jaguar_v_letu.png

[Pizzaman]

Guess we've got ourr list.. I'll start making the pack!

[Kongo]

Yes I'd feel the Toyota could give the Alfa some competition too.
But then we'll have a REAL add-on car (the others are basically stand-alone skins),

They are exactly the same btw, skins overwrite current cars, not addon.
So adding other car colours on top is the same as adding a new car as they are standalones, not skins. :)

[Pizzaman]

Yes, I know the difference. But I mean the Gordini is completly DIFFERENT as opposed to Mini 11p being ANOTHER Mini...

But I think we HAVE the track-pack. Now, unless somebody makes some suggestions or objections, on to the car-pack...

[Kongo]

Yes, I know the difference. But I mean the Gordini is completly DIFFERENT as opposed to Mini 11p being ANOTHER Mini...

But I think we HAVE the track-pack. Now, unless somebody makes some suggestions or objections, on to the car-pack...

Well they usually come with a read-me and are self explanitory...The Corolla and TR4 must be in. :):up:

[Pizzaman]

Errr... in the other thread... well guess no Corolla... but the TR is a sure go!
Now for the Gordini... but as said: other thread!

http://www.nogripracing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16996&page=2

[Kongo]

Errr... in the other thread... well guess no Corolla... but the TR is a sure go!
Now for the Gordini... but as said: other thread!

http://www.nogripracing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16996&page=2

Wow...did Jabba recruit more admins? :p

[Pizzaman]

Nope, he didn't. Don't mean to put ya off! But your opinion is a valid one, and more fundated than most.
So I'd hate to see it go to waste whe posted on the wrong thread.. :D

Heheh, I have been a server-god too, ya know... Kicked a few wreckin-dudes... felt GOOOOD!
Too bad I haven't got much time now, else I'd apply if they were asking!

[Kongo]

Nope, he didn't. Don't mean to put ya off! But your opinion is a valid one, and more fundated than most.
So I'd hate to see it go to waste whe posted on the wrong thread.. :D

Heheh, I have been a server-god too, ya know... Kicked a few wreckin-dudes... felt GOOOOD!
Too bad I haven't got much time now, else I'd apply if they were asking!

:DI was joking BTW. :hehehe:

[Pizzaman]

I know, saw the smiley-face!

[Pizzaman]

Two more tracks, proposed @ Gamers Crib:
Falkenberg and Knockhill.

[Kongo]

Limerock defo has to be in (w/out chicane).
Jus done a leahue race there :OMG: it's awesome!

[Zieman]

Last turn outside track cut warning could be moved a bit farther off...

[Pizzaman]

Actually, I like the Chicane as it kills the 'faster'cars!
Anfd you are right about that track-warning...

[Pizzaman]

Hey All, I'll upload the tracks here this weekend if I get to it.
Maybe we can start messing around on it with the standard cars.
That will also give us time to test the tracks online.

After we're done discussing the add-ons, we'll upload a car-pack as well.
Seems we're going for ALL AVAILABLE MODS & ADD-ON-CARS.

I hope to see ya all online. Mostly I am there between friday-evening and sunday-evening, if family-events don't prevent me from being there. Occasionally I may miss a few races (because of kids puking all over the floor or something). ENJOY!

[Mogget]

Falkenberg is OK by me. Gamers Crib hosted a "fun" event there last night, and the racing was great fun.

[Pizzaman]

Seems I wont be able to upload it this weekend,
my PC has no keyboard and even though that is manageable,
the netprovider seems to have a bit of a day off...

[Pizzaman]

Just posting the files, here's the full list (ADDED A FEW SURPISE-ONES):

Pack 1:
- Leipzig stadtparkrennen 1967
- Pau 1967
- A1 Ring
- AF1 GTL Italia
- Ahvenisto

Pack 2:
- Albi 1967
- Bathurst (Frank 55)
- Birmingham GP
- Brands Hatch
- Bremgarten

Pack 3:
- Bull Run
- Cadwell Park
- Croft
- Eastern Creek Raceway
- Essington GP

Pack 4:
- Falkenberg
- Goodwood
- Hilltop
- Knockhill
- Knutstorp

Pack 5:
- Lakeside
- Limerock Park
- Loch Rannoch
- Mantorp Park
- Monthlery

Pack 6:
- Mountain Sprint
- Oulton park
- San Luis
- Snetterton
- St. Petersburg

Pack 7:
- Taupo
- Toban
- Virginia
- Watkins Glenn
- Whales Coast

Enjoy, and race 'em!

Pizzaman

[Mogget]

Looks like a good list, Pizzaman. Now we need to haul some ass onto the servers :)

[Pizzaman]

Oh yeaaaaahh, I am uploading pack #7 to NGR as we speak.
What a @@%@ mking all these instructions and getting them all correctly put in.
Now I am imagining Kongos face as he has to search all through this... :D
remember the uploads have to be approved? :p

I proposed first we do a round without the add-on cars,
because some are getting ready as we speak.
We also can get a bit of experience which cars are good and which are not (GTC-65).


Poor Kongo, maybe this will console him a bit.... :D:up:http://www.nogripracing.com/forum/showpost.php?p=187827&postcount=27

Hey BIG K, are you drooling yet? :drool::hehehe:

[rookiedaz]

@Pizzaman. That's a cracking list mate. Don't know if anyone else has said it but THANKYOU for your effort on this. I do promise to visit as regularly as I am allowed:o. When we going to be all systems go do you think?

[Nappe1]

bremgarten.:drool:












you didn't hear? let me say it again with a bit more power... hold on...









BREMGARTEN!


:drive: <--- so, when the server fires up? :) I am able to join in thursday evening.

[Pizzaman]

Mmmmm seems to be a slight problem, maybe NoGrip wont allow the game-packs to be hosted here.
But no worries, they'll het hosted on Gamers crib (and I'll post the link here) and RSC.
So even if NGR decides not to host the packs, they'll be at GC & RSC no problem.

As soon as I get the instructions from Whoops ho to stick 'em on the server, they'll be up in no time when Whoops strats up the server. I've got a good upload-speed here, and today I have the day off. So any time, It will get cracking.

And yes, Bremgarten. It got 3 votes here, some more on PM, and some when online.
So it's definately in, total count is almost as high as Bathurst (BTW: mostly I end up in that barn along the 'dip' halfway, anyone else got that too, maybe I should slow down there a bit...?).

Daz, thanks for the thanks, but I think it is the least I can do. There's so many people here that do lots, like SunAlp2, James, Sharpo, Butch, Kongo and many others and they do it all for free. As I cannot do anything like making cars or skins, might a well do something like this which is at least useful. And it would be sucha waste not to use these tracks online!

As soon as the GC-server is running, I'll post a link to the tracks here. After that I'll make a separate 'ADD-ON RACING' thread that has all the links to the separate tracks as well as the packs, so if you accidentally delete one you can just download that one. This thread would also be good to post your experiences on the tracks, and to post complaints if you find any ***** that you think need to be reprimanded for their driving, mods can then easily track down the offenders.

[Mogget]

I'm looking forward to being able to race the NoGrip guys on a regular basis. I could do with a few more scalps in the trophy cabinet :D

[Pizzaman]

Well, mine looks sorta like this. Won't be much use...
http://ae.medseek.com/adam04/images/en/7094.jpg

[Jevgen]

As soon as the GC-server is running, I'll post a link to the tracks here. After that I'll make a separate 'ADD-ON RACING' thread that has all the links to the separate tracks as well as the packs, so if you accidentally delete one you can just download that one. This thread would also be good to post your experiences on the tracks, and to post complaints if you find any ***** that you think need to be reprimanded for their driving, mods can then easily track down the offenders.

Sounds great! Thanks Pizzaman :up:. This is what GTL online needs. I hope other guys in GC TC-65 finds it that way too. At least I enjoyed every lap when we tested tracks (Cadwell and Knutstorp) few days ago. These addons with online players makes GTL feel fresh again. :roflmao:

[Pizzaman]

Yes, that's the general idea. To have a fresh feeling.
Besides, this time WE choose the tracks instead of being limited to the FIA-tracks.
I hear all around that the idea is great. Now I hope a lot turn up!

[Si33]

Pizzaman - congrats on all your hard work with this - I'll race with you as often as I can. Can't wait :)

[Pizzaman]

Guess we have to wait a while - I got cut off mid-uploading here at NoGrip, may be a problem to host them here.
Haven't gotten the code to upload the stuff to Gamers Crib yet. (WHOOOOPPPPPPSSS!!!!)
Put it on the site for Hoskins from RSC, he will put it there ASAP but is having a bit of trouble...

Cross fingers guys, and maybe it will be available online before X-mas :D

[Mogget]

Fingers crossed, Pizzaman. This could be the BEST CHRISTMAS EVER ! :)

[Pizzaman]

It will be (I hope). Whoops will throw it on the gameserver today or tomorrow, will notify here when he's done! Meanwhile, the list:

:D Hear ye Hear ye!
Well, awaiting Whoopster's upload of the tracks to the game-server and to he download-section, Here's the tracklist (in 7 pieces) and the locations on Filefront where you can download them from. I have split them in pieces < 100 Mb, total is about 500Mb. With thanks to their respective makers and converters (readme's included).

:confused: You got the lot?
If you already have these tracks, or only need some, you can either download the pack(s) you need or grab the single tracks here at No Grip. If you are a member of Ye Ole Beerbarn (Altbierbude), there's no further action required (cause you'll have them all)! But mind, at Beerbarn tracks do get updated sometimes so it may be wise to stash them somewhere seperate as well (or create a separate install) because these will have to last for a while.

:confused: Which car?
For starters, we'll use the standard GTL-cars, meaning TC-65 and 4 cars from GT-65: Elite, Alpine, Austin-Healey and Mercedes. When the carpack follows, this will also contain the TR4, the Gordini and most likely the Corolla. (just because we're sick of that red and that white Alfa!) ;)

All tracks were tested, for a good Mini-driver it is possible to kill Alfas and even to kill some of these GT-65 cars... so I encourage the Mini-league drivers to take on some of the 'Michael Knight Wannabes' in their sportscars...! :roflmao::up:


Pack 1:
http://files.filefront.com/Add+on+trackserver+1rar/;9197462;/fileinfo.html
- Leipzig stadtparkrennen 1967
- Pau 1967
- A1 Ring
- AF1 GTL Italia
- Ahvenisto

Pack 2:
http://files.filefront.com/Add+on+trackserver+2rar/;9197471;/fileinfo.html
- Albi 1967
- Bathurst (Frank 55)
- Birmingham GP
- Brands Hatch
- Bremgarten

Pack 3:
http://files.filefront.com/Add+on+trackserver+3rar/;9197487;/fileinfo.html
- Bull Run
- Cadwell Park
- Croft
- Eastern Creek Raceway
- Essington GP

Pack 4:
http://files.filefront.com/Add+on+trackserver+4rar/;9197492;/fileinfo.html
- Falkenberg
- Goodwood
- Hilltop
- Knockhill
- Knutstorp

Pack 5:
http://files.filefront.com/Add+on+trackserver+5rar/;9197497;/fileinfo.html
- Lakeside
- Limerock Park
- Loch Rannoch
- Mantorp Park
- Monthlery

Pack 6:
http://files.filefront.com/Add+on+trackserver+6rar/;9197502;/fileinfo.html
- Mountain Sprint
- Oulton park
- San Luis
- Snetterton
- St. Petersburg

Pack 7:
http://files.filefront.com/Add+on+trackserver+7rar/;9197507;/fileinfo.html
- Taupo
- Toban
- Virginia
- Watkins Glenn
- Whales Coast

The official Readme that goes with it:
http://files.filefront.com/Readmetxt/;9197511;/fileinfo.html

The Tracklist (txt):
http://files.filefront.com/Tracklisttxt/;9197512;/fileinfo.html


:D:up: I hope to see you all online for a FRESH round of GTL!

[rookiedaz]

All downloaded:up:. Like I said before, will join as much as I can get away with, because this will be loads of fun if we can get enough people on board regularly.:D

[Pizzaman]

I have no doubts this will be a hit...
did ya have a look at our latest add-on car?

[rookiedaz]

I have no doubts this will be a hit...
did ya have a look at our latest add-on car?
I presume you mean the mini Pizzaman. If so yes, oh yes!! Or did you mean the new BMW? Got that too, but I can't get the lock to go high enough and keep spinning.:(

[Pizzaman]

Of course I mean the MINI! :D
B-there before X-mas, sure to go on the add-on carpack!
(we may have a few other surprises...)

BTW that BMW turned out well enough, good car.
Thumbs up for that one :up:
Can't stop spinning either...

[rookiedaz]

Of course I mean the MINI! :D
B-there before X-mas, sure to go on the add-on carpack!
(we may have a few other surprises...)

BTW that BMW turned out well enough, good car.
Thumbs up for that one :up:
Can't stop spinning either...

Before Xmas? Good stuff. Does look fantastic, exactly how I would want my dream mini to look!!! Can't wait to take it for a spin, particularly as I have discovered I can go quite well in the little buggers!:D:up:

[Mogget]

Gamers Crib had a fun event at Monaco 79 last night, with everyone driving Mini Coopers. I started 8th on a grid of 14 cars, and finished 5th. Tough track, but I managed 15 pretty consistent laps (just a few minor bumps and scrapes along the way). The guy who finished 6th (Don Dahlmann) had a scrapyard reject by the end of the race :D

My qualification lap time was 1:55.9