Bad laps in Hotlaps.... reported here [Archive]

darock

5 November 07, 21:43

The main reason times will be removed is for breaking the following rules

2. More than 2 wheels off the track surface
Two wheels must always be on the tarmac, or the painted kerbs (usually red+white, or blue+white). The borders of most race tracks are surrounded by painted white lines, or in the case of street circuits, solid walls/barriers.

The painted surface behind the red+white kerbs, does not count as part of the circuit. Take note when driving at Monza and Magny, as its very easy to cut there. Tarmac run off areas are not part of the race circut.

3. Wrong Time/Track/Car
If you make a mistake you can edit your own time by selecting it in the hotlap system, and choosing to edit. Any Laps we find with wrong information will be deleted.

4. Corrupt Replay
If a large part of the replay file freezes (example, last 10 seconds are froze), your time will be removed. If the replay causes the viewers machine to crash, your time will be removed. If your replay contains flying cars, it probably means it was submitted for the wrong track and the viewer does not have that track installed, but your time will be removed due to being corrupt/unviewable.

darock

22 November 07, 09:28

Two tracks that give a lot of drivers problems keeping their car on the track are Curitiba and Brands Hatch. The two attached pictures are two hotlaps that were just removed. The car in each case had all 4 wheels off the track surface.

The main reason times will be removed is for breaking the following rules

2. More than 2 wheels off the track surface
Two wheels must always be on the tarmac, or the painted kerbs (usually red+white, or blue+white). The borders of most race tracks are surrounded by painted white lines, or in the case of street circuits, solid walls/barriers.

Sludgey

23 December 07, 21:33

And how hard it is to do still shots in RACE07.

You do know that there is a slow-motion and super-slow motion available when looking at replays?
Numpad 0 = slow-mo,
numpad . = super-slow...
It's very easy to get still shots of what you want using those modes :up:

regards,
Sludgey

darock

24 December 07, 01:04

Excellent. I did not know that.

It will make it a bunch easier.

darock

3 January 08, 12:42

Deleted hotlap by LELLONE77 in F3000 for VALENCIA07

more than 2 tires off track

The main reason times will be removed is for breaking the following rules

2. More than 2 wheels off the track surface
Two wheels must always be on the tarmac, or the painted kerbs (usually red+white, or blue+white). The borders of most race tracks are surrounded by painted white lines, or in the case of street circuits, solid walls/barriers.

darock

14 January 08, 12:19

deleted for "Incompatible game versions"

lellone77_Magny-Cours_06_RADICAL_SR4_252bhp_1_36_030.vcr

The REPLAYDATA file is rejected by the offline version of RACE07 and by STEAM, in both offline mode and online mode.

I have no information of any new version of RACE07 being available recently.

darock

19 January 08, 17:35

Caused CTD so was deleted:

Solcius_Monza_Junior_Caterham_CSR_320_0_56_897.vcr
Solcius_Valencia_Nacional_BMW_320si_2007_1_20_650. vcr

freejrs

19 January 08, 19:24

2. More than 2 wheels off the track surface
Two wheels must always be on the tarmac, or the painted kerbs (usually red+white, or blue+white). The borders of most race tracks are surrounded by painted white lines, or in the case of street circuits, solid walls/barriers.

The painted surface behind the red+white kerbs, does not count as part of the circuit. Take note when driving at Monza and Magny, as its very easy to cut there. Tarmac run off areas are not part of the race circut.

What about if you get more than two wheels in the air after going over a curb a bit to enthusiastically does this count as a failure? Or if you catch some air say over the Flugplatz at Nurburgring and no wheels are touching is this a fail also?

darock

19 January 08, 21:26

What about if you get more than two wheels in the air after going over a curb a bit to enthusiastically does this count as a failure? Or if you catch some air say over the Flugplatz at Nurburgring and no wheels are touching is this a fail also?

What do you think?

In real life, racing rules and sanctioning bodies don't even mention that, since it happens all the time. They simply ignore it. Unless there are more than two wheels in the air AND ;) the air is outside the painted curbs or the pavement. ;)

Keep at least 2 wheels on or over the track and curbs and the lap will count.

Solcius

20 January 08, 08:44

I don't understand, my replay seems to work....
I repost the valencia nacional bmw, tell me if you have a problem to watch it....

Gaiajohan

25 January 08, 18:34

You do know that there is a slow-motion and super-slow motion available when looking at replays?
Numpad 0 = slow-mo,
numpad . = super-slow...
It's very easy to get still shots of what you want using those modes :up:

regards,
Sludgey

and arrow down (non-numpad), to stop it playing..

Femto

31 January 08, 20:11

Sorry Lellone77, your time in 1'33'454 at curitiba07seem to be bad! But you are an interesting competitor, thanks to you!

darock

31 January 08, 20:58

Thanks for the help Femto.

I missed that one.

It has been removed.

darock

1 February 08, 01:34

mississippi_Monza_Junior_LOLA_B02_50_0_56_999.vcr deleted

The replay is of an entire test session. We need the hotlap replay that shows the 56.999 second lap.

Femto

9 February 08, 19:58

Sorry Repsol23, you have made a mistake when you have typed your time on Oschersleben 07, it isn't 1'17''571 but 1'27''571 (with the sr4), can you correct it, please?

darock

9 February 08, 21:58

Actually, the rule concerning replays that have the wrong time is this one:

3. Wrong Time/Track/Car
If you make a mistake you can edit your own time by selecting it in the hotlap system, and choosing to edit. Any Laps we find with wrong information will be deleted.

repsol23

11 February 08, 16:39

Sorry Repsol23, you have made a mistake when you have typed your time on Oschersleben 07, it isn't 1'17''571 but 1'27''571 (with the sr4), can you correct it, please?

I was looking around at the links and realized that I am unsure of how exactly to edit my time. I guess I just converted wrong in my head when going to minutes:seconds format.

Just realized that I have got to resubmit my time, didn't see that my time had been removed!!

Femto,
Just had to give you some PROPS time in Curitiba07, I have tried all weekend but to no avail, I cannot best your time!! ARGGHH!! At least not without cutting the first corner!! I have been able to beat my time for the fiirst half of the track, but when I get to the hard left hander I always tend to end up with the rear end getting really loose on the exit.

darock

11 February 08, 17:33

I believe if you move the cursor over your name beside any hotlap listing, you will see the cursor change from an arrow to the pointing hand.

Click on your name and you should see a list of all your posted times. If you look to the right hand side of the list, you should see "edit" in red beside each listing. If you click on that, it will provide you a form through which some changes can be applied.

Hope this helps for next time you need it.

Femto

24 February 08, 19:27

Can you delete my Oschersleben Reverse 07 time with the 320si, it's a mistake, please?

darock

24 February 08, 21:15

Yes, but you can delete it yourself.

Anyone can edit their own times. Move your cursor over your name in the list. Then click on it. You will receive a list of your times. If you look to the right column you will see a red "edit" button. Click on that and go from there.

Look for the "delete" box there.

Femto

24 February 08, 21:29

Sorry but i don't see the delete box!

darock

24 February 08, 22:19

Sorry, I did not know that users did not have the delete option.

However, anyone who makes a mistake and chooses the wrong track, car, mode, or puts the wrong time in can edit the incorrect listing that results. You simply edit the listing that is in error and select whatever is the correct option.

I actually "deleted" that entry by correcting the track choice. The system accepted the correction, saw that there was already an equal or better time and deleted one of them.

Femto

25 February 08, 17:38

Thanks Darock

SuperCouilles

2 March 08, 14:37

Guys, could you verify my time on Pau?

Last chicane before the straight.

I'm a bit mystified by this rule:
Two wheels must always be on the tarmac: Tight - look at the left wheels.
The borders of most race tracks are surrounded by painted white lines, or in the case of street circuits, solid walls/barriers: I'm in between the barrier.

It just look weird.

darock

2 March 08, 15:37

Street courses have lines all over them. They're the traffic control lines that control public transportation.

Yeah, lines on street courses look weird, but they mean nothing really. It's almost impossible on street courses to cut, so don't worry about the lines.

I really can't remember ANY street course turn where your car could cut and gain an advantage.

SuperCouilles

2 March 08, 15:49

So, on a street circuit, like Pau or Porto, as soon as you are between the rails, it count?
Great, easy rule to follow.

darock

2 March 08, 21:31

Like I said, I don't know of any that have places where you can break the 2 tire rule.

strongy

17 April 08, 18:24

hi guys, i think i have 3 wheels off on zolder hotlap ( pro ),the first chicane, would it be possible to check please.

thanks and keep the good work :-)

strongy

17 April 08, 21:36

hey darock, i know a street track where you can break the 2 tires rule ( ok maybe i know more then one but this one came to mind first ), monaco, the chicane after the tunnel and the other chicane, its possible since they modified the circuit a few years back.

race hard

flipteg

19 August 08, 11:32

Cristian Haba on Imola with the Alfa Romeo... i'm not sure if the large green part at the very end of sector 2 is included in the track but Haba was on it fully... also, 3 different corners on sector 3, all the 4 tires were not touching the painted stripe curbing...

darock

19 August 08, 12:32

Both of C.Haba's at Imola, Alfa and BMW, run completely beyond the curbs into the runoff area. They have been deleted.

Captain Vlad

31 August 08, 20:11

Run at Magny-Cours I submitted this morning has what's described here as a 'violation' (quote marks used as the game did not give me a cut track warning for it). Once I found this forum, I noted ya'll's effort at judging such things and got a slightly better time with (I think) no violation.

Can I delete my own hotlap, and if so, how?

HeebyJeeby

31 August 08, 20:14

Just upload your new file and it will replace the old one. :thumbup:

morph6567

3 January 09, 01:12

Just in order to support fair play.

andymac53
Nordschleife
Alfa Romeo 156 GTA

Completely left the tarmac and hit the wall at Breidscheid (as far as I remember the name of that turn).

Sorry, andymac53, but I'd report my own hotlap if I felt there was sth wrong with it.

Side note: darock, in andymac53's lap there was one more thing: he set the car as AR 156 GTA and it was AR 156 Extreme. The thing is, there's no Extreme cars section there. What in the world should one write if he/she prefers Extreme cars? One's lap will be rejected because of this?

johnthefisherman

5 January 09, 20:19

darock

6 January 09, 13:04

Side note: in andymac53's lap there was one more thing: he set the car as AR 156 GTA and it was AR 156 Extreme.

The thing is, there's no Extreme cars section there. What in the world should one write if he/she prefers Extreme cars? One's lap will be rejected because of this?

There are no Extreme cars on the list. Until they are, do not post hotlaps using them. Yes, laps using them will be deleted.

darock

6 January 09, 13:07

I think Hotlaps showing false driving difficulty have to be rejected:

to show a Hotlap in Pro level, needs to drive without electronic controls.

Electronic controls are for Novice level.

This my thought...

Please be so kind as to report any Pro level hotlap showing the use of Aids.

Aids are permitted for Semi-Pro and Novice.

morph6567

6 January 09, 18:54

There's just one thing I would like to ask you, darock. For example, when I race at Nords I never choose the PRO setting, because with qualifications, 1st & 2nd practices, warm-ups & so on it would take me half of my lifetime to finish a race. I choose the CUSTOM setting but turn off all the aids, the automatic gearbox etc. How do you consider hotlaps made with CUSTOM settings? Or maybe it counts only when you directly tick off the PRO setting?

Note: I'm talking 'bout racing and not hotlapping. Or maybe it is not allowed to poat hotlaps from races?

darock

6 January 09, 21:24

It is certainly allowed to post race laps. Not a problem a'tall.....

There really isn't a mention in the rules about the assistance level setting, Pro or otherwise. It is assumed, however, that you would use Pro when posting a hotlap only if all assistance was off. As few hotlaps as are posted, it really doesn't matter much.

resureksiyon

10 April 09, 21:24

darock

11 April 09, 00:09

i would like to upload my replays but my name in race07 and my nick on this forum is different. i dont want to re-install my game (considering all those add on tracks and cars) but also would like to upload my slow lap times :) any suggestions?

Upload them.

The name on them will be automatically assigned as resureksiyon. It's good enough for the forums, it'll be good enough in the hotlaps list.

M Nielsen

12 December 09, 16:02

darock

12 December 09, 19:06

AG06_Nordschleife_LOLA_B02_50_5_58_480

this engine can`t be, 284 km/h on the Nordschliefe in a Lola, prove me wrong and let me try that setup, this one drives uphill with a speed that is not possibly, i will quistion all times under 6 minutes on this track

What speed do you think is the max possible with a Lola? and what speed up what hill?

Tell me where the hill is on the course and what you've gotten for speed there.

Milky Way

13 December 09, 00:18

AG06_Nordschleife_LOLA_B02_50_5_58_480

this engine can`t be, 284 km/h on the Nordschliefe in a Lola, prove me wrong and let me try that setup, this one drives uphill with a speed that is not possibly, i will quistion all times under 6 minutes on this track

Try low settings on splitter/wing. I set them to 5/7 and it did 281km/h downhill with no other changes from SIMBIN's settings.

M Nielsen

13 December 09, 09:00

and can you still control the car ?

enriko81

10 January 10, 18:09

Track: mantorp park
Driver: Milky Way
Car: Radical Sr4
Time: 1_12_966

cutting chicane (2 wheels on kerb and 2 wheels on the ground) at the 22nd second. :thumbdown:

Milky Way

13 January 10, 20:21

Track: mantorp park
Driver: Milky Way
Car: Radical Sr4
Time: 1_12_966

cutting chicane (2 wheels on kerb and 2 wheels on the ground) at the 22nd second. :thumbdown:

That's according to the rules here actually. Maximum two wheels outside the track and the part beyond the the curb is outside the track. See the rules (http://www.nogripracing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16984).

enriko81

13 January 10, 21:57

That's according to the rules here actually. Maximum two wheels outside the track and the part beyond the the curb is outside the track. See the rules (http://www.nogripracing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16984).

ok you are in right. i apologize to you, infact I thought kerbs was not part of the track. (in almost all leagues kerbs are not part of the tracks)

enriko81

6 February 10, 10:27

driver: Late4Apex
track: mosport1977
time 1:09:5

he drove f3000 instead of fMaster.

darock

6 February 10, 11:22

1:09.559 lap corrected to show Lola as the car used.

thank you

LATE4APEX

6 February 10, 20:54

:-DHI

1:09.559 lap corrected to show Lola as the car used

Sorry about that.
Saw Enriko's posting as Forumla Master, and the only thing I could find close was FORMULA 3000 MASTERS.
Surprised though, when I played his lap, it was a 4 cylinder front wheel drive chev sedan, a very FAST chev none the less.
I don't see any "FORMULA MASTER" that applies to sedans in EVO.

Thanks for all the time you guys put into this site.

LATE4APEX

darock

6 February 10, 21:47

:-DHI

Sorry about that.
Saw Enriko's posting as Forumla Master, and the only thing I could find close was FORMULA 3000 MASTERS.
Surprised though, when I played his lap, it was a 4 cylinder front wheel drive chev sedan, a very FAST chev none the less.
I don't see any "FORMULA MASTER" that applies to sedans in EVO.

Thanks for all the time you guys put into this site.

LATE4APEX

Enriko's replay is a lap in a Formula Master open wheeler.

You should have the class on the screen that gives you choices of what class cars to drive. The button shows "Formula" with a very small "masters" tucked up under it.

The Formula 1000 button shows the "1000" quite prominently.

Whenever a replay does not show the car that's in the replay you've either got a mod that screwed up the original car or you don't have the class at all.

LATE4APEX

6 February 10, 22:50

:-) HI darock
Thanks again for your time, still confused though, not unusual for me.
Please see attached screen shot of "car" selection screen for the version of GTR EVOLUTION that I have.
Its a retail dvd of the game, with no mods.
I don't see any open wheel cars other than FORMULA 3000 MASTERS.
I guess thats why the replay didn't show the correct car.
I'm only persuing this because it shows me where i'm at in speed.

Again, thanks, LATE4APEX

Milky Way

7 February 10, 00:34

LATE4APEX: You need "RACE ON" for Formula Masters.

darock

7 February 10, 01:23

Yes, you don't have the Race On expansion. So you don't have the cars that software adds to the Race07 game. You've got the F3000 class, but not the Formula Masters class.

When anyone tries to view a replay of a car in a class they don't have installed, the Race07 code notices that it doesn't have the 3D shape and skins to display. So it uses a default car/skin to show you the replay as best it can. Your experience, playing a replay of a FMasters car yet seeing a touring car, demonstrated just what the code does.

Look around and see if you can find RaceOn in the discount bins or somewhere at a cheap price. It's well worth the money for offline. I wouldn't get my hopes up for online, as I find it's pretty worthless unless you plan to run in a league (and that doesn't work for me).

LATE4APEX

7 February 10, 03:11

THANKS GUYS

That clears that up.

LATE4APEX

magare28

23 March 10, 13:14

darock

23 March 10, 16:23

my time on a1 ring is actually my time on curitiba, i made a mistake. sorry.
also it is a bmw 2009 but it is the same car as 2008!! you surely know that.
i have no wheel i play with mice and tastatura.

Both have been deleted.

The Chevy Lacetti that shows as your car cuts the 2nd turn in both replays. When all 4 tires are outside the blue/white curbing, the lap time is not acceptable.

Also, the car that shows in the replay must be the car you specify. When your car is a modified or new-skin car, the basic Lacetti shows in the replay. Hotlap times cannot be set with modified or skinned cars. Sorry

magare28

27 March 10, 07:54

thanks, i was driving a BMW from WTCC 2009 mod. I post a new time with 2008, the same car. I am a passionate Curitiba track driver i have driven more then 3500 laps and my setup is perfect because i use motec i2 pro for analising my setup and driving! Thank you for your explanation and greeting from SERBIA!
P.S. I apologise if my English is not so well.

metalgriso

13 April 10, 13:41

hi,

i noticed that the lap posted by "Werning" at the Nurburgring GP with the time 1:40.146 actually shows to me a modified lacetti and not a formula bmw

Simone

The Iceman Marco

3 May 10, 17:58

1 ddr123 0:41.494 LOLA B02/50 F3000 Pro 10-03-10 at Curitiba Oval is nothing. The Car stays in pit for 41 seconds.

pesche

6 May 10, 17:22

Please delete my wrong hot lap in Dubai Club
3:11.533 Alfa Romeo 156
Thanks

pesche

16 May 10, 08:37

The user t7r87 has posted a wrong hotlap in Mondello Intemediate 1:07.697 with Mini Cooper S.
The time is good for Magny Cours

pesche

16 May 10, 10:11

I am sorry, the track where the user t7r87 has posted the wrong lap, is not Mondello Intermediate
The wrong hot lap is for Mondello National

pesche

16 May 10, 10:14

I am sorry, the track where the user t7r87 has posted the wrong lap, is not Mondello Intermediate
The wrong hot lap is for Mondello National

MAX1956

12 June 10, 07:02

I MADE A MISTAKEN "TYPING ERROR"
fILE : THRUXTON_max_56_HONDAO8_1_17,060.VCR
I WROTE 1:7,060 (A BIT FASTER)
PLEASE CAN YOU REMOVE IT
THANK'S

darock

12 June 10, 14:04

I MADE A MISTAKEN "TYPING ERROR"
fILE : THRUXTON_max_56_HONDAO8_1_17,060.VCR
I WROTE 1:7,060 (A BIT FASTER)
PLEASE CAN YOU REMOVE IT
THANK'S

Better yet, I just edited it. OK?

DaPion

22 June 10, 12:04

I submitted a replay with a Mini Cooper at Monza. On my screen my Mini is black with red and light-blue stripes: in fact it has a custom skin, that I created using Photoshop and the nVidia DDS plug-in. My question is: what do you actually see in the replay on your screen? Do you see my custom livery or what else? A livery chosen by Race 07 or Race On between the available ones in your computer? Thank you very much for your answer!

paulus22

14 July 10, 16:41

hi darock,
i submitted a replay with custom skins on it..is it allowed?
also i use novice cause i cant use un automatic gearbox cause i use only keyboard and my hands are full with the accelerator brakes and left and right to add gears...
the custom skin is orange livery found here in nogrip
the track is valencia street
shame cant use pro only custom cause i use sim mode in gtr2 hotlap submits..
thanks very much

mitsuogtre2010

28 August 10, 12:58

Zandvoort 07
1 bibipcr125 1:35.103 Radical SR4 252bhp Radical Pro 01-07-2010

It seems to be a wrong time(replay file shows 1:39.229), and completly out of the track at 46sec.

darock

29 August 10, 03:41

Thanks for the report

HOTLAP removed, car completely off track
bibipcr125_Zandvoort_07_Radical_SR4_252bhp_1_35_10 3

Eagleone

20 December 10, 09:48

Dijon Grand Prix
robert1505_Dijon_Grand_Prix_Saleen_S7R_1_12_699
Car is not Saleen off track at 36'' as well.

Watkings Glen
geco997_Watkins_Glen_GP_Aston_Martin_DBRS9_1_42_38 7
Car is not DBRS9 but DB9R.

darock

20 December 10, 12:39

LATE4APEX

8 January 11, 18:36

HI
Can the horse power of a car be modified (increased) in a game.
If yes, a time has been posted by a car/driver that has a top speed 10 MPH faster than appears possible.
Is there a rule/procedure that covers this?

Thanks, LATE4APEX

Eagleone

11 January 11, 19:01

niksiboxi_Nurburgring_Koenigsegg_CCGT_7_24_290

Wrong track, off at various places.

Eagleone

11 January 11, 20:03

LATE4APEX

12 January 11, 00:14

darock

17 January 11, 09:46

HEY Eagleone.
1st, thanks for that C6R lap at MOSPORT, gave me something to shot for, took me forever to even get close.
I don't want to accuse a guy in "public" of cheating, how would one go about reporting what I feel is an impossible top speed/illegal horse power without going public ? (anybody ?)

Thanks, LATE4APEX.

Frankly, it wouldn't be a good idea to have anonymous accusations showing up in public. So send me a pm and explain what it is that proves they cheating. If you have proof, it is just that, proof.

I'll take a look at the impossible top speed if you'll explain your reasoning.

Eagleone

2 May 11, 07:37

Donington Park 2004 GP ddr123 LOLA lap is cutoff - replay is not full lap on my PC.

DaPion

19 May 11, 18:00

A1 Ring, WTCC 07:

hanyiksaby: the track is not A1 Ring, but Okayama!

Komjati: the car is not a BMW 320si, but a Chevrolet Lacetti.

DaPion

19 May 11, 21:52

A1 Ring, WTCC 07, Komjati:

4 wheels completely out of the curb (the rules must be equal for all, aren't they?)

Eagleone

24 May 11, 13:03

Problem is I dont think this section is monitored anymore.

gambla

24 May 11, 13:54

Basically DaPion is right, but i'd consider this as part of the track, imho. There are some more tracks in the world with that kind of "extension" and in real life the drivers are afaik allowed to use them. However , rules are rules...

DaPion

24 May 11, 16:04

I'm afraid you're right, Eagleone. It's a pity, because I think Hotlaps section is one of the most interesting of the site. It would be fair it was monitored as it deserves.

I know, gambla: it's enough we agree on what a driver can do. Passing that way in that corner, you can gain 2 or 3 tenths, because you carry on the faster exit from the curve throughout the long next straight.

Gutshot

24 May 11, 16:45

Hotlaps have been my favorite since joining in 2006. Spent many happy hours in GTR, GTR2, GTL, etc. But I now find, in the last 1.5 years, that all my hours of sim lapping have moved to iRacing. Mainly due to the laser tracks and the better (more realistic) handling of the cars. AND the apparent inability of the participants to rig the system for cheating.

In a way, I miss all the fun hours of driving the wonderful mods and discussing the various versions of tracks and which is more accurate, but with laser accurate tracks in iRacing I find the question now irrelevent.

I do miss the old versions of the tracks though, like the old long Spa, old LeMans versions and even old versions of Sebring. Since they no longer exist they can never be lasered.

No disrespect to GTR2, rFactor, etc. but I dont have the time, having moved on to iRacing. But its been great. :thumbup:

DaPion

2 June 11, 16:59

Some other good pictures, thanks to people who don't worry about rules...

Assen - ddr123 - BMW 320i - time on the board is more than 3 seconds lower (2:19.489) than actual on the replay.

Pau 07 - hanyiksaby - Honda Accord - over the curb.

Curitiba 07 - Komjati - BMW 320 - in that chicane many drivers cut left turn, but here is cut a bit too much.

Curitiba 07 - Komjati - BMW 320 - travels on the grass.

I don't know if some moderator is interested in this stuff. I think this website would need more seriousness, anyway...

DaPion

14 July 11, 16:40

Hockenheim 04 - Komjati - BMW M3 - completely out of the kerbs.

lolsokje

19 July 11, 08:54

I just have a question. Is the line I'm driving in the picture also illegal? I still have 2 wheels on the curb, so I thinks it's legal. Just wanna know your opinion.

Gutshot

19 July 11, 19:11

I believe the rule is that a minimum of 2 wheels must remain within bounds at all times, thus 2 wheels on the kerbing should be good enough.

DaPion

19 July 11, 21:12

Your passing on the curb is perfectly valid.

AndreiRS

30 July 11, 02:20

Can someone help me on with a hotlap... I just did my best time @ Nords with the Z4, but after the big strait, I "cutted" a bit, if someone could download my replay file and tell if it is still valid. Needs GTR Evo. :P

DaPion

7 August 11, 15:18

It's valid, because two wheels are always on the track. However, you were wrong to write the time on the board: it's 7:10.840, not 7:10.084.

AndreiRS

8 August 11, 19:36

It's valid, because two wheels are always on the track. However, you were wrong to write the time on the board: it's 7:10.840, not 7:10.084.

Hm I used the windows calc to get that time, can some admin change it?

SuperCouilles

11 August 11, 14:08

I think these rules should be revisited.
Per example, I believe the pavement outside the red/white, blue/white curbs should count.
Its not like if it was grass or gravel after all...

darock

1 October 12, 10:25

sorry guys, but this section isn't monitored anymore.

I discovered there was no way at all to tell if anyone was cheating and very often it really looked like there were always a few people whose times appeared to be the result of altering traction on their pc. The game code does nothing to stop that. There is nothing available that can tell if the replay was done with that cheat.

Often there were a couple of guys competing with each other and their constant flow of improvements were suspect. The improvements always were slight, never variable as they would be had a better line, brake point, etc been discovered. And they were usually immediate until the pair either got tired of that track or feared they'd moved the time down so far as to be suspicious.

Try it. Simply change the traction in the files and you'll be faster through the turns. Submit the replay and see if anyone can prove you did otherwise. I can't. The game won't. Faster through the turns makes you faster on the straights. Both will give you yet another record time. Don't want to report a hugely improved record time then just drive a bit easier until you have a time that's only a tenth or so better. Of course, if someone comes along right after and beats you by a tenth, you could take your loss gracefully and move to another track. Or you could do what some have done and take a minute or two and slap down a tenth better than your fellow competitor. Competition can cloud your thinking. You might not notice just how amazing your times have become.

Ever notice online how some cheaters didn't care who could tell that their 10 second laps were obviously the result of cheating? The straw that broke this camel's back was when some of that scum submitted replays that showed them blasting other cars off the track while they flew around the circuit. The cars they ran over were often turning very, very fast laps. Who knows if they were cheating too, since their times were at least believable.

Unfortunately, the game is flawed. I really didn't feel like my effort was of any value any more. It really isn't.

Gutshot

1 October 12, 16:58

Falconett

20 January 13, 21:56

Hello,
As rules says, one of the hotlaps should be deleted and I mean this one
"Driver: Cake, BMW 320 Extreme WTCC Extreme 1:55.691" TRACK: Brno 07
Why? It's a Time Attack file instead of .VCR file so it's unviewable.
Regards.

240gtz

6 March 13, 07:07

Thanks for the explanation Darock, At least some of us had good years driving clean and posting on Nogrip. Many thanks for the good work.

Also, thanks for the posting of the simple and undetectable way to cheat. That solves a lot of the previous discussions on this thread and is a full explanation of why Hotlaps are no longer (and perhaps never were) worth posting, due to the simpleton cheaters.

Ya, Jokers, ruin it for the great majority of honest folks.:angry:

+1
Hadn't read the last few posts until today :/ Damn, been sweating hard to achieve my (crappy) times.
C'mon people, this is a game, not a matter of life or death. Been away from this game for a year or so, but with my newly built simrig I enjoy this more than ever. Tweaking and tuning to see how far (low) you can go. No fun in editing some file.
Oh well...