Another group B

[MaartenMLK]

As you have already seen, I'm working on another group B conversion from RSC. Altough it's a pitty that mechanical failure cannot be recreated, I will continue to work on this project. Here you can follow the work in progress.

[Pero_Grozni]

Looking great :up:
Will start gathering data on it.

[RTS013]

An incredebly ugly looking car, but should absolutely be remembered in the group-B category. Looking forward to try it. :up:

[MaartenMLK]

I beg to differ. As it's not 'good looking', no argument there, it's functional looking. When Williams (indeed the F1-team) designed the car with all the wings, it was an example, soon to be followed by the other Group B-teams (Peugeot, Lancia, Audi). Unfortunately by the time the Metro got homologated, the others had moved the game even further.
The biggest mistake was the use of a normally aspirated engine...
So don't call it ugly, but functional :D

[Pero_Grozni]

First research turned up with the next figures:

Engine:
Max Power=410hp@ 9000rpm
Max Tourqe=270lbft@6500~367Nm@6500rpm
Tourqe curve is relativly flat from 3000 onwards-from 5000->9000rpm the tourqe is above 230lbft~312Nm
Dry engine weight~143kg

Transmision and driveline:
4WD 35%/65% front rear distribution. Front and rear diffs limmited slip
twin clutch, final drive adjustable with alternative step off assemblies
5 gear transmision(need help with the gearing-if no gearing is avalible I will use simmilar end speeds as with the 205).

Dimensions:
Front track=1510mm
Rear track=1550mm
Wheelbase=2391mm(longer than the S1 wheelbase :eek: )
Length=3350mm
Width=1880mm
Weigth=1050kg

Performance:
0-60mph......3,2s
0-100mph....8.2s
0-110mph....10s

Data I would still like is the gearbox ratios and any other usable data.

[RTS013]

Found a little info on the car (and other ones...) here:

http://www.rallycodriver.co.uk/uk2002/may/killarney3.htm#mg

[Pero_Grozni]

Thanks for the link RTS013. :wave:
Will prove very usefull. :)
Updated the data for the car with weigth and mesurements.

[gram]

Looks good :up: :)

[kiplali]

Great looking model :up: A welcome addition to the game. IMO these were the only decent Metro.

Kiplali

[MaartenMLK]

I have decided on the colour scheme (and thus on the driver/sponsors/...)
No much time to spend on it though. :(

[gram]

dont worry about the textures Maarten ;) :up:

[nicky6r4]

Absolutely fantastic mate. Ican get the proper metro 6r4 sound as i know the 6r4 specialists tal motorsport who made colin mcraes white one. here are some sites for you that could help you for pics, info and other bits and bobs.

www.6r4.info
www.metro6r4.com
www.talmotorsport.co.uk
www.xpower-mg.com (go to the images section as there are tons of pics)

I could also (if i could have your permission) do an 8r4, which my friend drives in england, he would let me get the sound and would get a great skin done of it.

I will put up some info for you in abit as i have the orignal sales brocure for the car. I am so gladyou aredoing this car as i am absolutely mad on them :D [/url]

can you please pm me the skin as i can do some old ones like the rothmans, unipart, austin rover (not computervision) and new ones like john prices, tony davies, warren philiskirk. Please please please pm me so you can email me the skin, i will send them back to you when done.

[Rallyfan]

Very nice Maarten,very nice :up:

[nicky6r4]

this is what is taken from the official 6r4 sales brochure.

Engine - Clubman (Standard)

Max Power Bhp/rpm - 250@7000

Max Torque lbft/rpm - 225@5000

Cylinders - V6, 90deg.

Bore x stroke mm - 92x75

Capacity cc - 2991

Firing order - 1-6-3-5-2-4

Valves per cylinder - 4

Valve included angle - 38 deg

Valve diameters inlet - 36mm
Exhaust - 30mm

Normal vlave timing (deg) - 20/52/52/20

Valve lift mm - 10.4

Period - 252 deg

Fuel injection - Single butterfly

(Lucas Micos) - Multi point injection


Transmission

Gearbox - 5-speed + reverse; syncromesh

Ratios: 1st - 2.937
2nd - 2.263
3rd - 1.695
4th - 1.300
5th - 1.091
Reverse - 3.000

transfer step off ratio - 1.31:1

Axle ratio (front and rear) - 3.44:1

Clutch - AP twin plate

Centre differential - FF viscous coupling

Axle differentials - Mechanical limited slip

Brakes

12 inch diameter ventilated discs all round, with lightweight, 4-piston calipers, Front/rear split with balance bar.

Wheels and Tyres

Dymag cast alloy wheels. 390mm dia. For loose conditions (standard), 16in dia. for tarmac (option). Michelin TRX tyres to suit conditions.

Wheelbase

mm 2412

Track

Front 1,510mm

Rear 1,550mm

As i said at the top this is for a clubman version i will put the same stuff for the works cars tomorrow.

[st]

A couple of pictures of the prototype 6r4 driven by tony pond on the 1984 york national rally.
Nice looking rt model :)

[MaartenMLK]

Clubman, clubman, who's talking about Clubman. Of course we want the full spec works engines, with some 460bhp on tap :twisted:

[MaartenMLK]

BTW, when I release the car, I will produce a blanc (or blue for that matter) skin, wich will be easy to convert...

[nicky6r4]

I will post the spec for the works car sometime for you today mate.

Here is a pic of the dashboard of colin mcraes 6r4.

[nicky6r4]

And another pic, this time the engine of the beast :D

[Rallyfan]

:OMG:

[nicky6r4]

The best thing about it is i can honestly say that i helped build it :D

[MaartenMLK]

I got the car into the game. that's a start.

[pepe2]

And another pic, this time the engine of the beast :D

Where is that engine. :D

[Rallyfan]

No pepe,that engine won't fit in your sierra :P :smash:

[pepe2]

No pepe,that engine won't fit in your sierra :P :smash:

Oh dude, I just wanted it to my Sierra. :P

I must to smash :smash: it to right size. :twisted:

[Rallyfan]

make a miniature model of the engine,maybe then it will fit... :P

[nicky6r4]

If your interested in a 6r4 engine you would need at least 20 grand for one. and thats not the best spec engine either. There was a bloke who put a 6r4 engine in a mk5 escort.

[Rallyfan]

There would be no use for the engine for me,maybe for a vacume cleaner only :P

[nicky6r4]

Hows the beast coming along now? Here is the gear ratioson the works spec 6r4


1st - 3.313
2nd- 2.235
3rd- 1.667
4th- 1.333
5th- 1.115
reverse- 3.000

I got intouch with my mate with the 8r4 (Rover v8 in the back instead of V6) and he said i can record the engine at the relevant revs that i need, from the exhaust and also from the engine :D Already got a load of pics ready to do the skin of it. It will look awesome

[Roger]

And another pic, this time the engine of the beast :D

Are those Ohlins resevoirs peeping through in that pic? :cool:

[nicky6r4]

For full spec of the car got to metro6r4.com as it has the whole list of it and also some pics of the car. The engines dont blow nowadays. And it was the cambelts coming off which caused alot of the faults. They cant be as bad as some people on here claim as there are loads of drivers using them and beating wrc cars.

[MaartenMLK]

I back on the right track...
Damn you, Richard Burns!

[richard]

That looks really good. :up:

[nicky6r4]

:D :D :D That looks cool mate, one prob though, the austin rover helmet is round. I have got the logo scanned in if you want it. I will put a few pics of the skins im having a go at later

[MaartenMLK]

BetaBetaBetaBetaBeta-version available for your pleasure.
Post comments here.
If there are no comments, maybe a final version will never appear :twisted:

[Roger]

Well done, I'm looking forward to trying this :D

Right now, this precise minute, I am patiently waiting for 3D Max to return control to me while I re-style Swiss SS1 ;)

[nicky6r4]

had a quick go on my keyboard and the handling seems very good, but i will be ableto tell you more when i play it on my steering wheel tomorrow
Im so chuffed you put this on as im off work all week so you can expect some nice skins appearing

Really really really well done on it its taken some time getting it together but it looks like its been worth it :up: :up: :up: :up: :up:

[nicky6r4]

oh yeah is it ok for me to do the 8r4 mod which my mate drives?

here is a pic of it below

[MaartenMLK]

of course, but remember, this is still beta, with loads of faults and bugs and incorrect settings...

[nicky6r4]

Cheers mate :up: :D

[Pero_Grozni]

Settings will be comming soon(yes I am repeting myself-sorry). I was just busy with other things and didnt really have the time for RT and other games.
Hope you dont mind guys

[nicky6r4]

no probs. the car handles a bit weird but with it being a beta version it was better than what i was expecting. Dont change the gears ratios as they are spot on. Keep p with the great work lads :up:

[nicky6r4]

i have justfinished my first skin for the 6r4. Its of warren philiskirk and co-driver neil eurig. Ill post a screen shot of the car when i have just had a quick go and everything looks alright.

[nicky6r4]

here you all go. I will get it put on for people to download later tonight as im having ago at another skin now hope you all like it.

[Roger]

That looks pretty good! I must try and find time to get a drive in the 6R4 :up:

[Kaps]

The metro is very nice! Thanks! It would've been even better in works livery, but there we are...

BTW, does anyone know anything about the Lancia Delta S4 for RT? Months ago I've read that it will be made, but nothing since.

[nicky6r4]

I can do it in the austin rover colours for you if you want. Its not the computerevision colours but its what david lewellin drove in the first 3 rounds of the british rally championship in 86.

[Kaps]

I've PMed you.
Thanks for your effort! :up:

[Roger]

Looks nice in the Austin Rover colours, not as "in yer face" as the computerevision livery, but I think tastier :up:

[Pero_Grozni]

Hi guys :wave:

Finnaly I have made physics for the Metro.
It is the same spec as the data listed in this thread. Final works gearing drive wouldnt hurt, but I think that I am not far off.

Made for TT mod so use it combined with it to get the best feel.
TT tires model is still developing so updates will come soon(a bit more grip). I also updated the info for the car, but didnt yet move the driver/Co driver to the correct position.

Hope you like it guys :wave:

BTW: Those austin collors would be great(wheels also). And Maarten-if you still want to get the S4 and R5 into RT for the group B mod-I will gladly make the necesary physics(will have more time now :) )

[Rallyfan]

Looking good,just tried it :up:

[jmlima]

you still want to get the S4 and R5 into RT for the group B mod

Is there a Gr. B mod on the making? Which cars will it include? I posted a full list of Gr. B cars on other thread.

I wanted to know to see if I will return to Rally Trophy to make skin and physics again... ;)

[nicky6r4]

i wont be able to do any skins or anything for rt at the moment everyone. I have been told by my doctor that i have lumbega and that i can only spend about 30 minutes a day sitting on my pc chair and go on my pc :mad: :( . I will be back again doing stuff for the cars in a few weeks but for now i wont be able to do anything.

[gram]

i wont be able to do any skins or anything for rt at the moment everyone. I have been told by my doctor that i have lumbega and that i can only spend about 30 minutes a day sitting on my pc chair and go on my pc :mad: :( . I will be back again doing stuff for the cars in a few weeks but for now i wont be able to do anything.

Im sorry to hear this :(. Btw what is lumbega?
Get well soon :) :up:

[nicky6r4]

Lumbega is a really bad back. The doc said that the two main muscles at either side of my spine are damaged so i cant really sit on my pc chair for 30 minutes before my back gets really sore :cry: :( . Thanks for wishingme all the best mate :)

[richard]

Just like to wish you well. l know how you feel, l was out of action with a slipped disc earlier this year, but l was able to sit down, but not stand up for long.

So take it easy and make a good recovery. :wave:

Richard

[Kaps]

i wont be able to do any skins or anything for rt at the moment everyone. I have been told by my doctor that i have lumbega and that i can only spend about 30 minutes a day sitting on my pc chair and go on my pc :mad: :( . I will be back again doing stuff for the cars in a few weeks but for now i wont be able to do anything.

I'm very sorry to hear of your health-problems.
Take it easy and make a full recovery! Skins can wait.
I wish you all the best!

[Kaps]

you still want to get the S4 and R5 into RT for the group B mod

Is there a Gr. B mod on the making? Which cars will it include? I posted a full list of Gr. B cars on other thread.

I wanted to know to see if I will return to Rally Trophy to make skin and physics again... ;)

Apparently, Maarten is doing, or planning to do the Delta S4 & R5 Turbo.
As far as I know,nobody's doing a Toyota Celica TCT. What do you think of that one?

[Midi]

If we can get the S4 i'm 99% back to RT, RBR eats my dust :D

Get well soon nicky6r4, you have done great job :up:

[jmlima]

As far as I know,nobody's doing a Toyota Celica TCT. What do you think of that one?

Well if the R5 and the S4 are beeing done, we'll only be missing from the real significant ones the Audi's and Toyota, since we already have the most radical Audi, the Toyota would be a very nice one to add. :up:

[Kaps]

Hey, Nicky, how's your back mate? Is it getting better?

Get well! Cheers!

[nicky6r4]

my back is still the same thanks kaps, I will try my best and get enough time to get these skins done for you. But you will have to bear with us for a couple more weeks im afraid.

Thanks for all your nice comments it is really appreciated :)

:wave: Nicky

[Kaps]

Take your time, mate!

Sorry to see your back is still bad!