F1 2010 already Pirated

[vondutch51]

Hard to believe but its true. Codies F1 2010 has'nt even been released in most countries and its already been cracked.
This is rather unfortunate as I would imagine that the devs are not pleased that their hard work has already been pirated and is being freely distributed on the web. Plus game piracy probably has seriously curtailed what has and will be developed for the PC. I for one plan on buying this game and I hope that if you are thinking of using a cracked copy you think again and buy a copy and support Codemasters for developing this truly fantastic looking game. Hopefully it will play as good as it looks.

[NSRacer]

no comment =))

[murphy0207]

unlebievable, already cracked, not even released here in the uk until friday, what a shame.

hopefully my legal copy from amazon will be with me on friday,or saturday.

tbh vondutch i would remove that link, i dont thinks its a good idea;-)

[Prez2010]

Oh saves paying out for it on here and the 360

[Viper]

A reminder:

No posting of links to cracked games/software/etc - No discussion of cracking, hacking, warez, asking for serial keys etc - if you have a cracked game go buy it. Telling people to PM you for info/links to warez is not a way round this rule.

[mickeyf]

Its not right... I bought the real deal, why cant others do the same and enjoy it that way. If you really want it that much then surely its worth the money....

[zud the spud]

Supply and demand.

If you do not buy, you are not demanding, so they cease to supply.

So I don't pirate games.

[-=Prodrive=-]

The 360 version is cracked too.

[shinsou]

Although I'm not going to play this game it's still sad to see what's happing these days with software products.

It's even worse to have people on the many different forums who're using pirated games and profit from the hard work of dedicated modders and their mods too.

[kenpat]

Part of the really annoying thing is all the protection the games companies load onto the honest buyer, which of course the pirates don't have to suffer.
I have had several games I bought that I couldn't get to work, the pirated copies worked perfectly.
The worst thing is the contribution it makes to the demise of some games being released on the pc.

[-=Prodrive=-]

Is F1 2010 a Steam based game?

[Tigerteeth]

The irony of this is that I WANT to buy F1 2010 at full RRP, but as the boxed PC version will not be available to purchase in the high street I won't be able to. Yet the game STILL gets pirated, and is now freely available before the UK release date.

I'm not interested in pirated versions of games - I've paid for all my previous racing titles and I want to pay for my software, but Codemasters have made the availability of the PC version of F1 2010 so limited that I think it will increase piracy. If you want to sell PC titles, then make it available in stores on the shelves, or just make it a digitally distributed title. If you want a boxed version in the UK, you have to buy it from a certain online retailer before a certain date, or you miss out. I'm afraid I don't agree with such a decision, and if that's the only option available to me, then Codemasters have lost a sale.

I'll be going into my local game retailer on Friday and if it's on the shelves I'll be purchasing it (I've heard conflicting reports of it being in stock) - if not I'll be going without (or buying Civilization V, a title I will be able to buy). It may be a brilliant title, but if this version of F1 2010 is no longer available after the release date, then what's the point in developing it?

[Tigerteeth]

Is F1 2010 a Steam based game?

Yes - for UK and US consumers. It's also available exclusively as a boxed version in the UK from an online retailer, but only until the 24th. After that it becomes a digitally distributed title ONLY.

And the boxed version uses Games for Windows Live - not Steamworks. This is another baffling decision by Codemasters, why not make all the on-line components unified across the PC platform?

[freejrs]

Yes - for UK and US consumers. It's also available exclusively as a boxed version in the UK from an online retailer, but only until the 24th. After that it becomes a digitally distributed title ONLY.

And the boxed version uses Games for Windows Live - not Steamworks. This is another baffling decision by Codemasters, why not make all the on-line components unified across the PC platform?

What so some people will get online with Windows live and others must use steam??? Will the two parties be able to race against one another??

[Siggs]

I'd think the steam version uses both; I have DIRT2 through steam, and it runs with Windows Live ingame.
.

[ravenmorpheus2k]

What so some people will get online with Windows live and others must use steam??? Will the two parties be able to race against one another??

Dawn of War 2 is Steam only, but for the online component it uses GFWL.

There's your answer for F1 2010. ;)

And the fact that it's been pirated already comes as no surprise - THERE IS NO DEMO AVAILABLE.

So what do Codies expect?

[maeckie]

What so some people will get online with Windows live and others must use steam??? Will the two parties be able to race against one another??

very good question ! :ohmy:

Dawn of War 2 is Steam only, but for the online component it uses GFWL.

There's your answer for F1 2010. ;)


very good answer ! :-)

[Tigerteeth]

What so some people will get online with Windows live and others must use steam??? Will the two parties be able to race against one another??

You should be able to race online together (not sure as nothing is particular clear concerning the PC version), but the Steam browser, auto update, friends, achievements (?) etc obviously won't be available.

No demo, limited boxed version availability, GFWL only - getting a bit tired of being shafted by gaming developers for using the PC platform...

[Siggs]

nono, I'm pretty sure it'll be te same deal as DIRT mate ;) overlay and all

[kopyville]

I dont know why you people are surprised? With the piracy sharing thats going on these day every big game is pirated on release date and even before. Heck, you can download games for X360 even 2 weeks before they're out. So dont be surprised that its already out.

[maeckie]

that they dont have a demo, really sucks a bit...

so , does somebody know , how many copies they want to sell ? whats their aim at that ?
2 milion copies ? more ?

[ravenmorpheus2k]

You should be able to race online together (not sure as nothing is particular clear concerning the PC version), but the Steam browser, auto update, friends, achievements (?) etc obviously won't be available.

I think you're wrong on that. It's all tied into Steam. Whether you buy the boxed version or download it. Dawn of War 2 (and the expansion Chaos Rising) works the same way, I bought the boxed version of Chaos Rising, it uses GFWL for the online multiplayer but everything else is done via Steam.

I'd be very surprised if F1 2010 is any different.

Unless Codies are doing a SimBin and doing an offline and online version, the offline being standalone and the online being tied into Steam...

[maeckie]

according to the interwibble codemasters throws 2 million copies of F1 2010 on the market now. 1 million is pre-sold,, so if 10 or 20.000 pirate copies exist,, that makes 1% of the market .

a bit exaggerated that bla-bla of the industry is about software piracy...

did the Music Cassettes destroy music industry ? no, and cd´s didn´t do that even, and so didn´t the internet and mp3... greed for the last penny does that...

btw, i´m waiting for reports from people i know who get this game , before buying it ,, first-hand experience, so to speak..

[caymus]

as usual...
ban computers, there is 1% of moron.

you make a profit of $ 100
the following year a profit of $ 90

the deficit is 10%
instead of saying the profit is $ 90.

:/

[Tigerteeth]

I think you're wrong on that. It's all tied into Steam. Whether you buy the boxed version or download it. Dawn of War 2 (and the expansion Chaos Rising) works the same way, I bought the boxed version of Chaos Rising, it uses GFWL for the online multiplayer but everything else is done via Steam.

I'd be very surprised if F1 2010 is any different.

Unless Codies are doing a SimBin and doing an offline and online version, the offline being standalone and the online being tied into Steam...

I hope I am wrong ravenmorpheus2k - it's just that Codemasters seem to taking such a liberty with PC users, it just wouldn't surprise me.

Yep - probably best to disregard my above post until someone who owns the game can confirm these details.

[Siggs]

<snip>
that makes 1% of the market .

a bit exaggerated that bla-bla of the industry is about software piracy...

did the Music Cassettes destroy music industry ? no, and cd´s didn´t do that even, and so didn´t the internet and mp3... greed for the last penny does that...

Those industries are far, far larger. In comparison, the shrinking PC gaming industry is nothing.

Also, piracy rates are far higher than you can imagine, your estimate is wildly off.

here's an example;

http://torrentfreak.com/top-10-most-pirated-games-of-2008-081204/

[pitradio]

it wasn't an early crack. it was particularly late cracked. usually it's already cracked a week before release ebcause of review edition being delivered to several websites. This one was only cracked yesterday.. Which is pretty late..

[pitradio]

I think you're wrong on that. It's all tied into Steam. Whether you buy the boxed version or download it. Dawn of War 2 (and the expansion Chaos Rising) works the same way, I bought the boxed version of Chaos Rising, it uses GFWL for the online multiplayer but everything else is done via Steam.

I'd be very surprised if F1 2010 is any different.

Unless Codies are doing a SimBin and doing an offline and online version, the offline being standalone and the online being tied into Steam...

Nopem, you are wrong. Just look at Dirt2. Retail version is wihout Steam, but with GFWL.
Steam version has both Steamd and GFWL. GFWL offers fine protection, sicne offline gaming is possible, but online isn't possible :)

Fortunately Codies is no 2k...

[Janis]

Even if we do live in wonderland and they all stopped making sims tommorow then GTR2 and rFactor will become holygrails of sims ! even outstrip GPL Legends longevity ! imagine the mods in 10 years time. ! :laugh:

On the other side of the coin I pay 79.95AU here for F1-2010
Now if they could mod F1-2010 as quick as crack it they would,
you only have to look in threads they already trying.

I did not ask anyone to hack the code, mod it in any shape or form, I paying for a licence for use tommorow and the products copyright is suppossed to protect me from that.

No I am not saying I want all sims to be unmodded. lol
But does a modder have anymore right to alter my online experience
with ctd and mismatches then anything a game cracker can do to me. ?

Truth be known I would prefer you mod rFactor2 and left GTR3 and F1-2010 well alone but off course I get no say in it so why even bother buying them. :?:

You can take the moral high ground now. ;-)

[pitradio]

Those industries are far, far larger. In comparison, the shrinking PC gaming industry is nothing.

Also, piracy rates are far higher than you can imagine, your estimate is wildly off.

here's an example;

http://torrentfreak.com/top-10-most-pirated-games-of-2008-081204/

I think piracy is overrated.
1. Many people download a game to try it before buying it. That doesn't mean a lost sale. Because usually they wouldn't buy the game on beforehand

2. Also people who're impressed after downloading and buy it, while usually they wouldn't buy it -> that an extra sale

3.Many people download a game, even tho they already preordered it or bought it, but the postage service is late. Is not a lost sale.

4. People who don't have money and download the game wouldn't have bought it in real life becaus ethey don't ahve the money -> No lost sale

[Big Ron]

And from now on we just need to wait a few weeks till some idiots have converted the cars to rFactor.

[pitradio]

And from now on we just need to wait a few weeks till some idiots have converted the cars to rFactor.

Pretty funny that is.. Don't you think?
So many people here argueing against piracy (Yep, I don't like -real- piracy. Playing the game completely while having the money to buy it, and not just to test it. But as a test version, or pre-postal-bring-it to-your-home-version I'm fine with it.) But they really like the new mod for rF and they think Codies shouldn't cry that their models have been converted..

[Big Ron]

If you want to test a game, then go into a video library and rent it for a Dollar/ Euro. It is the better way than trying to defend illegal cracks in web ;)

[ravenmorpheus2k]

Nopem, you are wrong. Just look at Dirt2. Retail version is wihout Steam, but with GFWL.
Steam version has both Steamd and GFWL. GFWL offers fine protection, sicne offline gaming is possible, but online isn't possible :)

Fortunately Codies is no 2k...

Hmm. I stand corrected.

What a dumbass way of doing it, if the Steam version has all you need then why bother with the DVD version that doesn't use Steam?! :?:

If you want to test a game, then go into a video library and rent it for a Dollar/ Euro. It is the better way than trying to defend illegal cracks in web ;)


Whilst I agree with the principle behind your statement I disagree with the statement.

Libraries, particularly here in the UK don't have the current games. Therefore it is unfeasable to use public libraries as a means of testing new games to see if you like them.

If PC game makes want to avoide this or reduce the level of piracy then one simple way is to issue a demo (preferably one that accurately represents the final product), I bet games that don't have demo's are pirated more than those that do.

[kopyville]

I think piracy is overrated.
1. Many people download a game to try it before buying it. That doesn't mean a lost sale. Because usually they wouldn't buy the game on beforehand

2. Also people who're impressed after downloading and buy it, while usually they wouldn't buy it -> that an extra sale

3.Many people download a game, even tho they already preordered it or bought it, but the postage service is late. Is not a lost sale.

4. People who don't have money and download the game wouldn't have bought it in real life becaus ethey don't ahve the money -> No lost sale

+1 thumbs up

[Big Ron]

Libraries, particularly here in the UK don't have the current games. Therefore it is unfeasable to use public libraries as a means of testing new games to see if you like them.

Wow, that is poor. In Germany, video libraries sometimes release the rent versions earlier than the selling versions. Same with movies.

The only reason to buy a fullretail game after illegal download is to play it online. If you are a non-online-player, there isn´t really a reason to buy it after download.

[pangasuis]

And from now on we just need to wait a few weeks till some idiots have converted the cars to rFactor.

idiots??? wtf :thumbdown:

i think its good that we have modders, NO ONE asks u to add MODS to ur games.
wtf is going on with u people? do u want mods in ur games or not?
rfator,gtl, gtr and gtr2 would have died along time ago if it wasnt for all the mods and skins.

idiots my arse, these guys/gals put there time and effort into bringing u new cars and tracks to add to ur unfinished games and all u can do is bitch.:angry:

IF U DONT LIKE MODS DONT ADD THEM.
I DO LIKE MODS AND I RESPECT THE TIME THATS PUT INTO THEM.

has far as piracey goes then i think this is a waist of time to post on a forum, u will not stop games being cracked just because u think its wrong.LOL BLESS
and at the end of the day its not a lost sale in ur pocket now is it so get off the (as janis says "high ground") and get back under ur stone.

lmao at idiots.
KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK MODDERS. :thumbup::thumbup:
i cant wait for the new games, plus all the new possabilatys of mods :)

peace

[pitradio]

If you want to test a game, then go into a video library and rent it for a Dollar/ Euro. It is the better way than trying to defend illegal cracks in web ;)

Those don't exist anymore (in the Netherlands at least). Microsoft and Nintendo don't want their games to be rented.. That's what such a former person who was in that busines said to me. That was also the reason he closed his store..
Libraries only have books here..

[kopyville]

pangasuis I think that you've misunderstood a lot.

he (Big Ron) didnt mean to bitch about the modders that bring new mods to games. But the people that are hating on privacy, but still are downloading illegaly converted cars from other games to the pc sims like rfactor, gtr2, gtr evo and so on.

ITS NOT ABOUT THE MODDERS BUT THE PEOPLE WHO BITCH ABOUT THE PRIVACY BUT STILL DOWNLOAD ILLEGAL CONVERTED MODS!!!

ah yea.. peace.. lol

[pangasuis]

lol ohhh well, wen i read it, he does call the modders idiots.

it must be my bad english :D

and ye.... peace :mrgreen:

[Big Ron]

idiots??? wtf :thumbdown:

i think its good that we have modders, NO ONE asks u to add MODS to ur games.
wtf is going on with u people? do u want mods in ur games or not?
rfator,gtl, gtr and gtr2 would have died along time ago if it wasnt for all the mods and skins.

idiots my arse, these guys/gals put there time and effort into bringing u new cars and tracks to add to ur unfinished games and all u can do is bitch.:angry:

IF U DONT LIKE MODS DONT ADD THEM.
I DO LIKE MODS AND I RESPECT THE TIME THATS PUT INTO THEM.

has far as piracey goes then i think this is a waist of time to post on a forum, u will not stop games being cracked just because u think its wrong.LOL BLESS
and at the end of the day its not a lost sale in ur pocket now is it so get off the (as janis says "high ground") and get back under ur stone.

lmao at idiots.
KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK MODDERS. :thumbup::thumbup:
i cant wait for the new games, plus all the new possabilatys of mods :)

peace

You misunderstood. Maybe I used the word modder but didn´t want to. Real modders create their own stuff or get permission to convert/ edit scratch made stuff made by other modders.

People, who steal cars from other games are no real modder. Because it would be a shame for me and others to titled modder, while spending month or years to create something new.

[pangasuis]

lmao ye i understand nothing at all.

goto love the edit button.

u used the word idiots not modders

[pangasuis]

i love the edit button :D peace out to u all :D

[kopyville]

no.. but if you somehow manage to take the porsche carrera gt or bmw M6 from Forza 3, or lets say 10 super cars... and u convert them into rFactor without Turn 10's permission or whatsoever, then u are not a true modder, to what Big Ron is refering to. You dont make the car 3d model yourself but steal it from another game without permission or whatsoever.

[freejrs]

Maybe some people genuinely cannot afford to buy the game but they still love F1 and want to play F1 2010. If a crack is the only way they are going to play it that's fair enough imo.

Personally I do not use pirated or cracked games but I agree with Pitradio.........piracy is over-rated. It is not the huge monster people make it out to be.

It's like Henry Rollins, frontman fom Black Flag and spoken word artist, says.....

When kids download your stuff for free off the internet and they tell you about it you don't get mad at 'em. My partyline is "Pal I'd rather be heard than paid. So if you wanna steal my stuff you go ahead and do to me what record companies have been doing to me for ever. Now you get to play the man, good for you. But am I going to come after you like Lars Ulrich demanding my 35 cents??? No man, if you can't afford to listen to my music and you gotta get it off the internet at least your rockin.



Rock on, or er.....race on. ;-)

[kopyville]

I couldnt agree more with you freejers, well said

[David Wright]

I'm amazed so many PC gamers still bury their heads in the sand.

Wake up and look what has happened to PC gaming in the last decade.

F1 2010 is the perfect example. 10 years ago we had the choice of two PC exlusive F1 sims. today we are lucky to have a PC conversion of a game primarily made for consoles. I saw a review of Red Dead Redemption and thought wow that sounds great I'll buy that. But then I found the developers are not interested in making a PC version. Ask yourself why?

[Tigerteeth]

I'm amazed so many PC gamers still bury their heads in the sand.

Wake up and look what has happened to PC gaming in the last decade.

F1 2010 is the perfect example. 10 years ago we had the choice of two PC exlusive F1 sims. today we are lucky to have a PC conversion of a game primarily made for consoles. I saw a review of Red Dead Redemption and thought wow that sounds great I'll buy that. But then I found the developers are not interested in making a PC version. Ask yourself why?

Some games have a broader appeal to a mainstream audience. A poorly produced football or golf game will sell many more copies than a well received game such as Red Dead Redemption. That's why I can't understand why a game based on F1, a sport with high popularity in the UK, isn't being stocked on the shelves of Tesco and the like, where many people buy their games along with their cabbages.

[trotter2k]

i got it pre-ordered on the PS3 and then ill prob buy it for me PC when i update me graphics card.

[eahueahueah]

why the suprise? every single game is cracked day 1, or prior to release.

[David Wright]

That's why I can't understand why a game based on F1, a sport with high popularity in the UK, isn't being stocked on the shelves of Tesco and the like, where many people buy their games along with their cabbages.

It is being stocked on the shelves of Tesco and the like, just not the PC version :)

Actually my local supermarket, Morrisons doesn't stock any PC chart games, just some cheap old PC games.

[Big Ron]

Are some of you really defend piracy with the fact, some are not able to buy it? Oh man, I can´t buy a Porsche. But that is no reason to steal one.

[Siggs]

+1

[zud the spud]

Are some of you really defend piracy with the fact, some are not able to buy it? Oh man, I can´t buy a Porsche. But that is no reason to steal one.

The fact that it is stealing does not come into the equation, for Codemasters are not losing physical property like if a car was stolen. It's a completely invalid argument. They don't know how many have been stolen, and if people said nothing and kept piracy under the radar they would never know. If a car dealership could make infinite copies of their cars for no additional cost then it would be exactly the same.

The only reason you can use for not pirating a game is the supply and demand argument. If people are all pirating the game, there is no demand and they have no reason to supply, and the industry dies.

[Big Ron]

It does not matter if it is a Porsche or a game or whatever. The owner of developer is losing money in fact of others not paying for the product. That is all that is interesting.

Stealing does not depent on the size or prize of a product.

[pitradio]

It does not matter if it is a Porsche or a game or whatever. The owner of developer is losing money in fact of others not paying for the product. That is all that is interesting.

Stealing does not depent on the size or prize of a product.

Again: How does one lose money when they usually wouldn't have gotten that money?

I just bought mine in Mediamarkt:

[DoMw94]

Disgraceful!

[pain-less]

Again: How does one lose money when they usually wouldn't have gotten that money?

I just bought mine in Mediamarkt:


It's called lost revenue.

[pitradio]

Do you mean this as a better translation or an expanation...

If as a translation: Thank you

If as expanation: Not possible. How can they lose revenue when the people that download it wouldnt have bought the game? Like in a case if there was no piracy at all. The revenue would still be the same as those people that downloaded it never had in mind to buy it..

[Andy81]

This games got a few bugs in it, and no future patch support and no MP make in not worth it.


But i'll wait, Steams says it's another 1 day and 20 hours for me :( But i'll be able to give MP a go and use DX 11 when that gets a proper patch. :)

For those that don't know, there are problems with DX11, there's a fix for it but you'll get graphical glitches, but a patch is in the offing anyway.

[Trebor901]

staggered release dates = people from territories who want it badly pirating the version that is available whereever its already been released, game companies need to stop doing staggered releases

[David Wright]

... and no future patch support and no MP make in not worth it.


Why post rubbish like this?

[David Wright]

staggered release dates = people from territories who want it badly pirating the version that is available whereever its already been released, game companies need to stop doing staggered releases

Its not the game companies but the retailers.

[David Wright]

Do you mean this as a better translation or an expanation...

If as a translation: Thank you

If as expanation: Not possible. How can they lose revenue when the people that download it wouldnt have bought the game? Like in a case if there was no piracy at all. The revenue would still be the same as those people that downloaded it never had in mind to buy it..

But the truth is we have the option of getting a game without paying for it or paying for it. It is too tempting not to pay for it and make excuses. If you can afford a PC which will run F1 2010 you can afford to buy it IMO. People who own consoles buy far more copies - are they richer than PC owners?

[Andy81]

Why post rubbish like this?

It's not rubbish. Pirate versions will not let you play MP.

And, just to let you know, you can ask questions of people, without being rude...

Just saying ;)

[pitradio]

But the truth is we have the option of getting a game without paying for it or paying for it. It is too tempting not to pay for it and make excuses. If you can afford a PC which will run F1 2010 you can afford to buy it IMO. People who own consoles buy far more copies - are they richer than PC owners?

Nope, that;'s parents buying games for their children. Nowadays children don't wnat 'difficulties' like driver installation. Everything needs to work out of the box. Also more parents are like that. PC gaming has become a niche because of that, it also shows why number of sales are falling down..

Also pc''s still have the rep you need to upgrade them every 2 years.. And parents don't want that.. A lot of parents are just plain lazy nowadays compared to the 1990's...


But the truth is we have the option of getting a game without paying for it or paying for it. It is too tempting not to pay for it and make excuses. If you can afford a PC which will run F1 2010 you can afford to buy it IMO.

Depends who bought the system.. Maybe they got it as a gift from a rich newphew or so.. Or sometimes teenagers where the parents don;'t want to pay games, but the teenager can use their computer.. The teenager doesn't have the money oftenly... Which leads to piracy.. That was already the case in 1990's.. "Hey man, could I copy that on floppy?" - "Yeah fine"...

[Janis]

I'm amazed so many PC gamers still bury their heads in the sand.

Wake up and look what has happened to PC gaming in the last decade.


GPL demo was remade and distributed as GPLdemo2004. :?:

Main reason given was so people could try before they buy it, not steal it.

So explain to me what is the difference someone doing it with F1-2010.
and why people would do the same get labelled.

Oh I see because GPL is so old it does not matter.

Well, there goes your moral high ground.

[stewart read]

Because it's been ripped off already I'm actually going to buy it so they get the money they deserve for making it even though I wasn't going to buy it or play it because I don't like open wheel games. Why do people think that ripping someone off is acceptable......It's plainly wrong and really p***es me off and something we need to stop - NOW

[pitradio]

I think it's also Codies own fault for two reasons:

1. Not the same release date in each region
2. No demo

But I'm certain the guys who want this game are buying it. Also because of the online mode..

[Siggs]

Pirate versions will not let you play MP.

Not always the case

[David Wright]

It's not rubbish. Pirate versions will not let you play MP.

And, just to let you know, you can ask questions of people, without being rude...

Just saying ;)

My apologies - I misunderstood what you were saying. I thought you were saying that Codies were not going to provide patches for the main bugs and that F1 2010 didn't have MP.

[David Wright]

I think it's also Codies own fault for two reasons:

1. Not the same release date in each region
2. No demo

But I'm certain the guys who want this game are buying it. Also because of the online mode..

The release date is actually pretty close for each region. Each country has its traditional release day. This isn't Codies choice.
I agree it would be much better to have done a demo but the consoles don't have a demo either. I'm buying it without a demo.

[JumpStart]

I think it's also Codies own fault for two reasons:

1. Not the same release date in each region
2. No demo



Your Honor, I stole it :twisted: because I wanted it and they made me wait two days longer than other countries... so I should them!


BS, Steam is available 8-)

[caracalla]

Can anyone confirm if retail box is steam endorsed? I totally hate Steam!

[pitradio]

Can anyone confirm if retail box is steam endorsed? I totally hate Steam!

With retail box you dont need steam.

[pitradio]

Not always the case

With GFWL it's impossible :)

[Doug Spinster]

It's like GTRe. The disc is a base and you still need to register on steam to play it online

[pitradio]

It's like GTRe. The disc is a base and you still need to register on steam to play it online

No its not. If you have a retail disc you dont need steam..

[Roadhog]

A couple of quick notes:

First off, it does not matter if you purchase a hard copy or Steam, you will connect online ala GWFL.
2nd. GFWL had me a bit worried when I purchased Dirt 2 but it appears to work very well. I will note though, as of late, logging in is slow.
3rd. The no demo thing as already noted will cause some to download the pirated version, especially these days where most economies have not recovered. Many are minding their expendable cash a little more closely than say a few years back. They will buy it if it is what they were expecting
4th. Obviously anyone with the cracked version will not be able to play online, not saying there are not other ways as there probably are, but no friends list, etc.

Finally:
The pirated copy could actually help in sales in the end though there will be the usual low lives who can't be bothered to support the dev for their hard work. I have both seen and purchased crappy games and my hope is that this pirating thing forces the devs to make a more refined, finished product that makes all of us want to go out and purchase it. If I asked you to name some game titles that you had spent your hard earned money on and decided they were a POS, there would be pages of titles I am sure. And note, those who think this is only happening on the PC, I would be willing to wager it was the console version that was cracked first.

[FerrariFanARG]

I will download the cracked version.
Reason:
I want to try the game and evaluate. I don't like some guy putting his
review and me taking for granted what he posts, i want to test!!.

If i consider the game is good enough then ill make arrangements to get
a legal copy.

I think Downloading the game is not bad because it gives a almost a full game
working and people can choose to buy later. Its like a Demo.

I got legal copies of Gp4, Gp3, Gp3-200, Gtr2 and i payed for rfactor license.
So dont get me wrong. And i like all those games.

[Derek Speare]

I will download the cracked version.
Reason:
I want to try the game and evaluate. I don't like some guy putting his
review and me taking for granted what he posts, i want to test!!.

If i consider the game is good enough then ill make arrangements to get
a legal copy.

I think Downloading the game is not bad because it gives a almost a full game
working and people can choose to buy later. Its like a Demo.

I got legal copies of Gp4, Gp3, Gp3-200, Gtr2 and i payed for rfactor license.
So dont get me wrong. And i like all those games.

There are two major issues that the anti-piracy camp overlooks. One is that some people who download a pirated game may go out and buy it like this chap may, and two, just because someone downloads a pirated copy of a game doesn't mean that he'd have bought it anyhow - there is a possibility that he may. Buying a game is a risky proposition for the fact that they are not cheap and may be an abject disappointment.

I have some mixed feelings about F1 2010 - I have made a few videos of some familiarization laps to get a feel for things. So far, I am leaning towards liking it. I have seen too many games to count in the 20+ years that I have been PC gaming. Most are utter flops, but there are some that hold my attention. I think this one will.

F1 2010 has some decent graphics (I have a pretty high end system), the AI cars are smart, a great selection of tracks and the cars are not stupid hard to drive (a bit easy). However, the narrow scope of the game keeps it from stepping on the toes of Shift, my only other game. Others may love F1 2010 for this very narrow - niche - reason. The "life of a Formula One driver" is just not my thing, and I think it gets in the way.

Time will tell...but I doubt seriously that piracy will hurt the sales of this game :)

Derek

[pain-less]

Time will tell...but I doubt seriously that piracy will hurt the sales of this game :)

Derek


Example: 16,987 leeches on a torrent, at a potential $40.00 each sale, equals a loss of $679,480.00.

I don't know about you, but that's a lot of money. And that's just today.


I don't have the game, I don't want the game. But the point remains, it's lost revenue, anyway you slice it up.

[Derek Speare]

Example: 16,987 leeches on a torrent, at a potential $40.00 each sale, equals a loss of $679,480.00.

I don't know about you, but that's a lot of money. And that's just today.


I don't have the game, I don't want the game. But the point remains, it's lost revenue, anyway you slice it up.

No, you fell in the same trap as what I exampled above - just because someone gets a pirated game doesn't mean that the same person would have bought it. Your numbers are erroneously skewed to support the claim. You're making an assumption that all downloaded games take a sale on a 1 for 1 ratio. Using that number, all life insurance companies would go out because everyone would die and cash in.

It's called actuarial science, and it's a subject of my profession. The argument of piracy is unsound for that reasoning. A pirate may take some dollars out of the hands of a publisher, but software code is not inventory to be accounted. Whether there are one or a bazillion copies, it still took the same money to produce it.

And ultimately, my thoughts are on will. If a developer REALLY wanted to secure his title he would ensure it was encrypted sufficiently. That it is not tells me he lacks the sufficient will. It's a business decision, and a few bucks are "lost". So what? What about all the customers who have bought a game only to be unsatisfied with it, but cannot get a refund? What about them?

They are certain not to buy from that developer again.

Derek

[DRat]

No, you fell in the same trap as what I exampled above - just because someone gets a pirated game doesn't mean that the same person would have bought it. Your numbers are erroneously skewed to support the claim. You're making an assumption that all downloaded games take a sale on a 1 for 1 ratio. Using that number, all life insurance companies would go out because everyone would die and cash in ...

... If a developer REALLY wanted to secure his title he would ensure it was encrypted sufficiently.

Rightly or wrongly, there are national and international laws against theft of intellectual material, which includes pirated software. People are occasionally going to jail over pirated music and movies in many (but not all) countries, and that is the same thing. The ONLY justification for stealing a software image of F1-2010 or anything else is in the mind of the pirate. It does not matter that the pirate may not afford to buy a legal copy. If the law is wrong, then help to change it instead of rationalizing legal theft.

Really, how many people do you think will go out and buy a legal copy if they have a working stolen copy? Rationalize and say "most", but then realize that the majority of legal users are NOT online racers and it's a pretty safe assumption that most pirated copies will be on their hard drives until the users get tired of them or something better comes along to steal.

Then there is the argument that it's the developers fault for not encrypting it well enough. In that case when your credit card number is stolen at a local store, it is really your fault because you allowed someone to actually see it. The clerk who just bought the tickets to Vegas with your money is not at fault, because she could not afford it on her own, and just maybe if she enjoys the trip she will pay you back. Sure. Really.

[Eyghon(NG)]

I've had a Warez copy for a few days but I also have it Pre-Ordered via Steam, I fail to see why people in Germany and some other Countries should get it before me especially when we in the UK tend to get ripped off and have to pay more for it. I won't buy ANY game without trying it first, even Demos only tend to show the good bits so I don't bother with those.

On the subject of Protection, very few Protection systems have worked in the last 20 years or will work in the future, for the most part if code has been written it can nearly always be reverse engineered and circumvented in one way or another, nearly all games and software is cracked and distributed long before it hits the stores. Software Companies just waste Millions on software protection, they should use that money for game development, protection achieves diddly squat. If they want to reduce Piracy they should reduce the price to the point where it is pointless to use a Warez copy.

Regards

[Derek Speare]

Rightly or wrongly, there are national and international laws against theft of intellectual material, which includes pirated software. People are occasionally going to jail over pirated music and movies in many (but not all) countries, and that is the same thing. The ONLY justification for stealing a software image of F1-2010 or anything else is in the mind of the pirate. It does not matter that the pirate may not afford to buy a legal copy. If the law is wrong, then help to change it instead of rationalizing legal theft.

Really, how many people do you think will go out and buy a legal copy if they have a working stolen copy? Rationalize and say "most", but then realize that the majority of legal users are NOT online racers and it's a pretty safe assumption that most pirated copies will be on their hard drives until the users get tired of them or something better comes along to steal.

Then there is the argument that it's the developers fault for not encrypting it well enough. In that case when your credit card number is stolen at a local store, it is really your fault because you allowed someone to actually see it. The clerk who just bought the tickets to Vegas with your money is not at fault, because she could not afford it on her own, and just maybe if she enjoys the trip she will pay you back. Sure. Really.

Just read Nietzsche and you will understand my point of view. I respect yours, but I disagree. All is good! Let's go burn some rubber!

d

I've had a Warez copy for a few days but I also have it Pre-Ordered via Steam, I fail to see why people in Germany and some other Countries should get it before me especially when we in the UK tend to get ripped off and have to pay more for it. I won't buy ANY game without trying it first, even Demos only tend to show the good bits so I don't bother with those.

On the subject of Protection, very few Protection systems have worked in the last 20 years or will work in the future, for the most part if code has been written it can nearly always be reverse engineered and circumvented in one way or another, nearly all games and software is cracked and distributed long before it hits the stores. Software Companies just waste Millions on software protection, they should use that money for game development, protection achieves diddly squat. If they want to reduce Piracy they should reduce the price to the point where it is pointless to use a Warez copy.

Regards

I just look in the mirror for my law. Admittedly I am amoral, so that makes the only law to which I am subject that of my own. If someone takes food off my plate, it is my fault.

Too many games have come and gone. The developers know that are just picking the low fruit and then onto other titles. Few players stay on and play for years. I have seen countless titles just not worth a poo come and go. It's simple, really. All they need to do is offer a 100%, 30 day money back guarantee. If it's so good, then they need to back it up...

Yes, I know...what if it's total poo?

d

[pain-less]

I agree with DRat. I understand my numbers will be on the high side and some of those will buy a copy of the game but I can almost guarantee two thirds will not. What would be the motivation if they have a working stolen copy on their computer. I'm sorry Derek but I think you have been out in the sun too long, down there in Florida. This does hurt their sales and I'm sure it has more of an impact than you or I realize.

Although I do agree with your point on the 30 day money back guarantee, but think about it, how can that be enforced? The publisher gives back the money, the customer keeps the game on their computer. Who wins there?

[Knuckle]

I wanted this game right from the day I heard about it and after watching the dev videos I wanted it even more so I pre-ordered it the day it hit steam I really wanted to support this title even without playing a demo "which was never available, way to go codemasters!".

And what protection concerns uhm everything has been cracked so far even the fancy ubisoft protection it took them some time but they did it, the piracy thing is soap on a rope and it will never end.

And if u own a legit copy u get online play and game updates thats worth something, and the warez version doesn't offer all that.

[acti0n]

Lol what a silly discussion!

Warez are there for every game no need to talk about it.

[BakedBean]

Lol what a silly discussion!

Warez are there for every game no need to talk about it.

Of course there is a need to talk about, this is serious, it is killing PC gaming!

The fact is, piracy is stealing, period.
You wouldn't steal a book from a bookshop, would you? It's the same thing. People download films, music and games for nothing because they can get away with it. If there was more chance of getting caught they wouldn't do it, simple as that.

Just think about it for a moment. If you made something and your income depended on it being sold for profit. You'd be pretty upset if somebody copied it and started giving it away for nothing. That's what's happening with piracy. Simple theft and there is no way it can be defended, sorry.

Having said that, I think all games should have a demo so you can try-before-you-buy.

Just my 2 cents worth.

Game should be arriving in the morning from Amazon. Hope it's good or it will be on a well known auction site before the Singapore GP has ended!

Cheers :-)

[hypertek]

it hurts the PC crowd.. Hopefully Codemasters continues to support the PC version.

[acti0n]

This game is only crap, I have already deleted it from my HDD and sell it on Ebay...

And you can talk as much as you want about piracy it will never stop. Even C64/Atari had pirates...

I know this is not great.

And I think I am stupid .. my thoughts was all the time "please codemasters this time no crap... pleaaaaase" - I'm stupid because I bought a codemasters game again!!!

Really all this company can do is sell shit! Look Grid, Dirt, Operation Flashpoint 2 - I wish they go back to the 90s - the old codemasters games was so nice

[pitradio]

How does it not kill XBOX gaming then? As games on that one are pirated as well.

Imo piracy is not killing pc gaming. Parents who don't want to invest some time into a computer and youngsters who thionk everything should work immediately after unpacking it are killing pc gaming.

Piracy even has good sides (like for example Youtube videos about some obscure swedish metal band no one heard about before suddenly get known.)

And NOT every download is a loss. I already preordered it in July. But I did download an 'illegal' version becaus ethat one got released before my legal version got at home..

[pitradio]

I think the game is reasonable, as you've need to have in mind it's a casual game because of specific reasons. I've read numorous people saying it's too difficult on a higher setting ;). it's just very logical Codies doesn't make a full sim, becaus ethe casual audience would think they can't drive so the game is crap..
The casual market is where Codies ets their money. Not the sim market. maybe simmers are 0.01% of the audience..

[Tigerteeth]

Example: 16,987 leeches on a torrent, at a potential $40.00 each sale, equals a loss of $679,480.00.

I don't know about you, but that's a lot of money. And that's just today.


I don't have the game, I don't want the game. But the point remains, it's lost revenue, anyway you slice it up.

If Codemasters had made the box version available on the high street, then they would have had my $40.00. But they didn't, so they haven't.

So they decided to make the boxed PC version a limited release (as advertised in the TV advert). People will still pirate software, but this time a developer isn't even making any money back from the potential sales in would have made in a bricks and mortar store.

I want the game, but I won't be able to purchase a boxed version because today is the 24th, and no boxed versions are to be sold in the high street. I will therefore go without - I can't spare the bandwidth to own a digital copy, and I'm not interested in any pirate versions.

Some users such as myself WANT to purchase this title, but Codemasters have just made it so damned difficult to do so. A great shame, but at least I've saved myself $40.00 I guess (Although it will probably will go towards a developer who can be bothered to make a title widely available).

I can't think of any other developer that produces a title for a particular platform, and then decides to stop selling a version of it on release day - the more I think about it, the more ludicrous it seems...

[Blackout]

All i can say on the subject is.. if you don't like what is being done to PC versions of a game.. don't buy it.. stay on the console.. this way your safe, and have nothing to complain about... i may not agree on some things, but nobody is ever going to change how things get leaked or cracked on the PC.. games. movies or music..
as someone said.. as the money crunch hits almost everybody.. not so many people can aford to go spend $50 on a game.. a Demo might have solved this problem.. but i think they didn't release a demo because it would have killed the sales...

[Derek Speare]

All i can say on the subject is.. if you don't like what is being done to PC versions of a game.. don't buy it.. stay on the console.. this way your safe, and have nothing to complain about... i may not agree on some things, but nobody is ever going to change how things get leaked or cracked on the PC.. games. movies or music..
as someone said.. as the money crunch hits almost everybody.. not so many people can aford to go spend $50 on a game.. a Demo might have solved this problem.. but i think they didn't release a demo because it would have killed the sales...

I found that to be true with Grid - the demo even would keep some peeps from the warez version of it!

d

[FerrariFanARG]

As i mentioned earlier i downloaded it.
I have to say its good base to start from codemasters.
The arcade features can always be turned off and the
physics its not bad, graphics looks very nice too.

So conclusion i will make arregements to get a legal
copy now. It helped me greatly to decide by trying the
game. I tried to be honest in my conclusion and opened
minded.

[David Wright]

I can't think of any other developer that produces a title for a particular platform, and then decides to stop selling a version of it on release day - the more I think about it, the more ludicrous it seems...

They haven't stopped selling it - its available by digital download.

A lot (most?) PC racing sims are only available by digital download.

iRacing
LFS
NetKar Pro
FVA
rFactor for the first three years
2Pez rFactor based games
Superleague Formula

If you want an expansion for a Simbin game it is also only available from steam.

[Big Ron]

As i mentioned earlier i downloaded it.
I have to say its good base to start from codemasters.
The arcade features can always be turned off and the
physics its not bad, graphics looks very nice too.

So conclusion i will make arregements to get a legal
copy now. It helped me greatly to decide by trying the
game. I tried to be honest in my conclusion and opened
minded.

It is good to hear. But I guarantee, you are one of 10 with that decision. In my youth time, my friends and me had downloading cracked stuff as a kind of sport.
And I really never...never...bought a game after having a full working cracked version on my PC. And none of my friends did it, too.

The fact is, that 85% of user do not buy a official version, when a working cracked version is running on the computer.

And this is a fact that outweighs almost all other facts....not to say that the law prohibits piracy.

[Tigerteeth]

They haven't stopped selling it - its available by digital download.

A lot (most?) PC racing sims are only available by digital download.

iRacing
LFS
NetKar Pro
FVA
rFactor for the first three years
2Pez rFactor based games
Superleague Formula

If you want an expansion for a Simbin game it is also only available from steam.

You missed my point - I said a version of the title, not the title itself. And if I remember correctly, the Race and STCC expansions were never offered as boxed copies in the UK, so the situation is entirely different.

All the games you stated have clearly been digital distribution titles, which is fine by me (rFactor owner here). My problem is with Codemasters offering F1 2010 as a boxed version, and then withdrawing it on release day for no reason given. People late to the party who wish to own an F1 game and who are unable to purchase it online for whatever reason will just miss out.

Think about it - they have the platform to play the game, the ability to purchase the game but not the ability to own the game. One failed link in the retail chain that will effectively cost Codemasters $40.00 in lost revenue per unit.

If Codemasters wanted to reduce piracy, perhaps they shouldn't have made a physical copy available at all. If you want to make money on a title, then make it available to ALL consumers, not just one section of the market.

[BakedBean]

See here for Codemasters reason for digital distribution:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2010-09-21-codies-explains-download-only-pc-f1-2010

The reason, as always, is money. All companies exist to make money, whether you like it or not. Sad, but true.:-(

[Janis]

People have many views on what hurt PC sims

There is another way of looking at it.

If GPL, GP4, F1C and the rest never had mods would they have had the same longevity. ?

Follows then more people would have brought more sims to have the variation in models and tracks they seeked.

Money saved on monthly mod downloads and storage cost for them would help pay for a few new titles a year.

More sims sold = more profit, more chance for continued support and new titles.

Maybe we would have had a new GTR every 2years, GTR4 would be due now :laugh:

So you could argue mods boosted sales for a while but bottlenecked development in the long run.

[razgriz55]

As i mentioned earlier i downloaded it.
I have to say its good base to start from codemasters.
The arcade features can always be turned off and the
physics its not bad, graphics looks very nice too.

So conclusion i will make arregements to get a legal
copy now. It helped me greatly to decide by trying the
game. I tried to be honest in my conclusion and opened
minded.

Same here,I torrented the game yesterday and planning on buying it next week. Pretty nice game but not a full blown sim sadly but meh,it will do.

[David Wright]

So you could argue mods boosted sales for a while but bottlenecked development in the long run.

Mods are not as influential as you think, with the exception of rFactor of course. The number of mod downloads is small compared to the number of copies sold. And in my experience bringing out a direct replacement kills the original, mods or no mods. F1C killed F1 2002. NASCAR2003 killed NASCAR 2002. GTR2 killed GTR.

[pain-less]

I found that to be true with Grid - the demo even would keep some peeps from the warez version of it!

d


Soooooooooooo true!! I downloaded GRID a few months ago from a torrent to finally try it. Game looked great, drove like crap. It has been deleted.

I will never again by a Codemasters product. Which is why I said in an earlier post that I do not have this game, nor do I want it. The last Codies game I bought was Toca 3. Codies will never produce a sim. Plain and simple. People thought GRID was going to be a sim and were disappointed.
Then comes F1 2010, hot looking screenshots but I knew it would be nothing more than another GRID.

I was correct. :mrgreen:


.. a Demo might have solved this problem.. but i think they didn't release a demo because it would have killed the sales...

EXACTLY!! It would have killed sales. Because then everyone would know its another sham like GRID.

[East]

See here for Codemasters reason for digital distribution:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2010-09-21-codies-explains-download-only-pc-f1-2010

The reason, as always, is money. All companies exist to make money, whether you like it or not. Sad, but true.:-(

Actually no, that's not entirely correct. A company exist to makes it's products and services available for public sale. You can't be profitable if you don't make your product accessible to the general public to buy.

[Derek Speare]

Actually no, that's not entirely correct. A company exist to makes it's products and services available for public sale. You can't be profitable if you don't make your product accessible to the general public to buy.

Profit is the driving motivator - it controls every decision. Profit is the only reason for a for profit concern. You are correct in the second point, but incorrect in the first. A company exists to generate profits for their shareholders. They do this by providing a product or service. The ones who do the best at it have a better chance - and an optimal sense - to make more profits than those who do not.

d

[hypertek]

i downloaded it to see if it would run on my system, and it did...

then last night i purchased it on steam =)

I know some of us who have done this are a rare case compared to the thousands out there.

[Bigrt]

It's not a game I'm interested in, but not releasing a DEMO first is just asking for trouble. I've been let down countless times buying games that didn't have a demo, and they turned out to be total garbage.

I've been doing it for a while, if a game I'm interested in comes out and doesn't have a demo, I download the full game from a warez site. If I like it, I'll go out and buy it, if I don't like it, it gets deleted. I'm not afraid to admit that.

As for some of the protection methods on some games, they're even worse than not having a demo out. Bioshock for example, I re-format my computer every 6 months or so, and normally upgrade at the same time. I found out the hard way that Bioshock had limited installs. So what do I have now? A legal copy of Bioshock sitting in the cupboard, with a 'cracked' one on my computer.