Were the older GT games better?

[thewarmer]

To me there is something missing from the current GT5.
Puting aside the added Eye candy & the bugs.

Latest instalment is not holding me like all the editions prior to did.

GT1/2/3 were all amazing Car games & though I enjoyed GT4 its felt like PD were losing there touch.

GT 5 seems to not have the same magic that the older games had.

But this is true of all things in life its very hard to keep producing
Music /Films/or games & make somthing amazing time & time again.

Or is it just me :-D

[bobwilliams]

Maybe they were better because the old GT series (1-2-3) were just something new, something nobody offered in the v.games market.

In those years, watching other racing titles (even in the pc stocks) wouldn't produce any surprise: not a single software house could oppose a similar product (correct if I'm wrong, but GT3, released to the market in the late 2001 didn't meet any serious competitor, since Forza 1 and Enthusia were ready in the 2005... and no, you can't say our GTR1 was modded enough to have such number of cars or championships - and it still lacked the tuning shop).
Again, cars behave quite realistically for those years.

Now there are plenty developers ready to offer a similar 'GT' experience, because they saw Gran Turismo has been a repaying deal: even the Electronic Arts is ready to offer a similar experience (NFS Shift2). But gosh, it'll be arcadish. :(

[thewarmer]

True these days the Market is flooded will GT style racing games.

Yes it was not long after GT1 the Codemasters started the TOCA now Race driver Grid series & then the CM now Dirt Games.

Now look what we have .

Need to try NFS Shift 2 first, I am almost sure EA with mess it up 2nd time around.

NFS Shift was not as big market as the normal Grabage NFS Games are sure they will dumb it down.

[Supra4]

Even today I can boot GT3 and have more fun than in GT4 or 5. So it's not a matter of the market being flooded. GT3 may not have had the most realistic physics engine, but it was one that just felt good. The later installments just didn't have that feeling of immersion.

[thewarmer]

Even today I can boot GT3 and have more fun than in GT4 or 5. So it's not a matter of the market being flooded. GT3 may not have had the most realistic physics engine, but it was one that just felt good. The later installments just didn't have that feeling of immersion.


Think that was the word I was looking for Immersion.

Just booted up GT5 to see whats new.

Almost as soon switched it off again.

Sorry PD these features should have been in the game from day1.

Ho well back to PC gaming now then.:-(


Will a PS3 slim run GT3 ? not as I have the game anymore.

GT5 for me is huge let down:thumbdown:

[bobwilliams]

Hmm... maybe we're getting to the point. One thing GT5 is missing is the offers in terms of championships available in which to race with different regulations.

GT2 and GT3 had this peculiar presence of zillion of cup in which to race with different cars (n' spec.) ... I've read GT5 doesn't have all this humungous number of championship.

Now if only Polyhpony would graciously allow us to insert new tracks and modify their .gdbs... :P

[freejrs]

Think that was the word I was looking for Immersion.

Just booted up GT5 to see whats new.

Almost as soon switched it off again.

Sorry PD these features should have been in the game from day1.

Ho well back to PC gaming now then.:-(


Will a PS3 slim run GT3 ? not as I have the game anymore.

GT5 for me is huge let down:thumbdown:

Just seen the update change log and I to am quite disapointed with the lack of new features really. Sure they fixed a few things that should have been in the game from release but there is nothing new. Where are the standard to premium upgrades?? :thumbdown:

You can now do remote races from your browser in B-Spec mode.........Are they :censored: serious!!!!!???:cursing: PD need to wake up and smell the damn coffee. They can shove B-spec mode right up their backside.

Still can't fast forward a bloody replay by the looks of it!!!:thumbdown:

Still cant save in a championship or endurence race!!!

You can now adjust gear ratios!!!!! :crying: And it took them this long to implement that??? Unacceptable. What the hell have they been doing for the past 5 years??!!!:angry:

Really pathetic for what was meant to be a major update and really quite insulting to people who bought the game expecting a finished product. What a shame PD have let the GT series become a laughing stock.

Oh and a PS3 slim will not run any PS2 games at all..........:thumbdown::thumbdown:

[freejrs]

Just had a look on GT Planet and you would not even believe it......

People are actually saying that this has made GT5 a massively better game and what an amzing job PD have done and how great they are.

Am I missing something here??? Do these people have no intelligence at all?? Can they not see or feel the massive thumb of PD entering their rectums??

I despair. I really do.

[Leper Messiah]

I initially was impressed with the update, then it all drained away. No saving, as Freejrs mentions above. Utterly pointless addition to the utterly pointless bspec part of the game.

the Evo X has a fix, but be fecked if I know what the fixed because it's still fecked up. If I let go of my G25 in a staight line the wheel shakes from side to side quite violently and often results in a crash....NO other car has this problem.

Standing starts all seem to be gone....what the F**k????? I HATED rolling starts of GT4 and was chuffed that GT5 did away with them, now the Cretins bring it back????

One step forwards.....3 steps back IMO.

[Leper Messiah]

Just had a look on GT Planet and you would not even believe it......

People are actually saying that this has made GT5 a massively better game and what an amzing job PD have done and how great they are.

Am I missing something here??? Do these people have no intelligence at all?? Can they not see or feel the massive thumb of PD entering their rectums??

I despair. I really do.

Saw your arguments.....those prats don't have a clue do they?

The pure irony of complaining about people complaining!! At least we have a GOOD reason to complain. What's their excuse apart from being brain dead hypocrites? Sometimes I think those plonkers would be happy if GT completely stagnated (or stagnated even more I should say!).

The argument against saves in endurances did my head in, thankfully there was plenty in support of it getting done.

[wpsracing78]

I think the early games are sooo well loved because a) nostalgia works that way and b) they were the first (or atleast the best) of their kind.

GT2 was amazing - I played it a couple years ago and it is pretty bollocks! In every way apart from the memories and nostalgia.

GT3 was mind-blowing. I remember going to a mates when he got a ps2 and that game - would've been within a week of the release date - jesus was it revolutionary in graphics (atleast for me who didn't get into new computer games until a couple years ago) and the cars were very cool.

GT4 I still play every now and then, as I've got the ps2 in my room that I screw around on when totally bored. That is a good game but agree that it had no flash compared to GT2 and 3 - but it started the whole Nurburgring thing! Which I'm thankful for. The game itself - as in sound/driving, leaves a lot to be desired - but no doubt it's a great game.

have a 360 so haven't played GT5 - but it looks good - better than Forza 3 but not by enough to care.

to answer the OP though - I don't think they were better or worse - they all got played for countless hours by me, with complete happiness!!

[Leper Messiah]

It's not just nostalgia, tho. I've got my PS2 setup and regularly play GT3 and a bit of GT4 and GT1 (lost GT2 :( )

Apart from the Ai GT3 IS a better game.

[freejrs]

Saw your arguments.....those prats don't have a clue do they?

The pure irony of complaining about people complaining!! At least we have a GOOD reason to complain. What's their excuse apart from being brain dead hypocrites? Sometimes I think those plonkers would be happy if GT completely stagnated (or stagnated even more I should say!).

The argument against saves in endurances did my head in, thankfully there was plenty in support of it getting done.

Exactly. I am only complaining because I feel massively let down by PD and want this game to be as good as it should be. These "people" seem to be more than happy with whatever PD gives them regardless of the obvious shortcomings.....

Yes I am happy that PD are patching the game but it is not good enough really. It is now getting to a level close to where it should have been at release. Why should PD be praised for that???

They shouldn't. By this time 2 months after release I was expecting to see the missing tracks from GT4 added to the game. To think that they are still bringing the game up to an acceptable standard just shows how poor the initial release was.:thumbdown:

[Leper Messiah]

Exactly. I am only complaining because I feel massively let down by PD and want this game to be as good as it should be. These "people" seem to be more than happy with whatever PD gives them regardless of the obvious shortcomings.....

Yes I am happy that PD are patching the game but it is not good enough really. It is now getting to a level close to where it should have been at release. Why should PD be praised for that???

They shouldn't. By this time 2 months after release I was expecting to see the missing tracks from GT4 added to the game. To think that they are still bringing the game up to an acceptable standard just shows how poor the initial release was.:thumbdown:

I had a go at the knobs not wanting saves in endurances...pillocks. Also, some on GTp are saying the system that tells you if you've bought a car has problems! Patches are all well and good, but if they're buggy as well. PD have MASSIVELY gone down in my estimations over GT5. they have failed and failed badly and continue to compound the fail.

It's still a good game tho, it's like PD are Da Vinci, GT5 is the Mona Lisa and Da Vinci after finishing the Mona Lisa did a big turd and rubbed it all over the painting! Underneath the crap is a good game. Sadly in trying to get rid of the crap PD seem to actually be ADDING some!

[thewarmer]

:-D Who would have though we would all be here complaining about GT of all games.

With the money & resources they have via Sony,there is no way they should produce such a sub standard game like this.

Now they are failing to even fix the game with out adding more Issues.

All those years building the GT series up as gone now.

Feels like we are all Beta testers for PD now but may be that is it now they will use us to test there game Updates & then when it is all working correctly Tell us its GT6 Now:mrgreen:

Who the hell did there Beta testing as they want sacking for a such a poor job.

Though Kaz is a Perfectionists this I doubt very much now :thumbdown:

As for GTp maybe these people are not real maybe its were all the B-spec Bobs Post a forum for the AI drivers.

No one can say this game is good or perfect as they ddo on there.:laugh:

What I can see is PD fixing all the minor bugs & than trying to charge for Car updates & any major addons.

Which they can shove up there #######.

[Leper Messiah]

:-D Who would have though we would all be here complaining about GT of all games.

With the money & resources they have via Sony,there is no way they should produce such a sub standard game like this.

Now they are failing to even fix the game with out adding more Issues.

All those years building the GT series up as gone now.

Feels like we are all Beta testers for PD now but may be that is it now they will use us to test there game Updates & then when it is all working correctly Tell us its GT6 Now:mrgreen:

Who the hell did there Beta testing as they want sacking for a such a poor job.

Though Kaz is a Perfectionists this I doubt very much now :thumbdown:

As for GTp maybe these people are not real maybe its were all the B-spec Bobs Post a forum for the AI drivers.

No one can say this game is good or perfect as they ddo on there.:laugh:

What I can see is PD fixing all the minor bugs & than trying to charge for Car updates & any major addons.

Which they can shove up there #######.

I'm wondering if Kaz is suffering from the Lucas effect? George Lucas was so powerfull and respected that no-one questioned him during the making of the prequels, which is why they are pretty shite films (altho I still love 'em coz it's Star Wars!!). It's seems to me that Kaz is going off in a direction no-one really cares about and no-one within his organisation dares express an opinion that differs from his. That is NOT a healthy way to run an organisation or create anything IMO.

regarding DLC, I'd buy a track pack with Seattle etc, or a pack of, say, Oz V8 race cars.

But not for upgrades to tracks already in the game that should have been right in the first place. I'll be mighty pi**ed off if they charge for an updated Laguna for example.

I think the DLC policy will truly make or break GT5 and future games. PDs stock is already pretty low with me and many others.

I brought every Playstation at launch apart from the PS3, primarily because they was no GT for it. And I bought the PS2 and had it more or less gathering dust until GT3.

I probably won't bother with the PS4 at launch and will probably not bother with GT6 either after the debacle (IMO) of GT5. I'm certain I'm not the only one expressing this sort of thought, Sony and PD have dropped the ball big time I reckon.

[PorscheDriver]

Were the older GT games better?

i think so, yes. for me, a combo of 4's content with 3's handling and 5's gfx would be the zenith of GT-ness 8-)

[freejrs]

I know of a way in which PD could save their reputation.................Release a Tourist Trophy HD which could be downloaded from the PS Store. I would buy that even if it was just a direct port with HD graphics.

I would soon forget about GT5 alltogether if they re-packaged this old classic. :-)

I did actually fire up the PS3 for the first time in over a month last night. Got the update for GT5 just to see what's what. There was one thing I was impressed with (alas it is also something that was missing on release) , the camber option in the Course Maker. Really improves the quality of the tracks you can make but unfortunately it only works one way. No adverse camber available..........

[Leper Messiah]

I know of a way in which PD could save their reputation.................Release a Tourist Trophy HD which could be downloaded from the PS Store. I would buy that even if it was just a direct port with HD graphics.



Oh god yes!! Altho I'd prefer TT2 ;) with the money system of vehicle aquisition rather than TTs weird system. Also TT needs more races for the street bikes!!

[thewarmer]

Did not some body say that there may be TT DLC added to GT5 in the Future.

Though I would sooner they Got GT5 up to a Standard that all are happier with.

For those of us outside of the GT-P world.

[Leper Messiah]

Did not some body say that there may be TT DLC added to GT5 in the Future.

Though I would sooner they Got GT5 up to a Standard that all are happier with.

For those of us outside of the GT-P world.

For sure PD have got to get GT5 sorted out before they even think of anything to do with bikes.

[cyrax_delso]

a real let down that game is. Wheres the quick U.I we crave for not alot of loading times just to collect your prize car/s. It takes forever to watch the stupid little sequence of the car coming out of nowhere. the driving is still awesome how ever little things that have been left out like realistic damages and the invisible wall thing, whats up with that and dont get me started on the A.I sucks man

[markspeed]

I've all but givin up on complaining about A.I. I can't recall the last game I played that had good A.I., let alone great A.I.

[ravenmorpheus2k]

I've all but givin up on complaining about A.I. I can't recall the last game I played that had good A.I., let alone great A.I.

What you have to remember though is that the sim racer is often in a different league to the person who most commonly plays a game such as GT.

So they have to aim the AI at those people - i.e. the lowest common denominator.

I played GT5 just recently round my mates house.

And to be honest I didn't see anything in it that I haven't seen in Forza 3. After 6 years of development, and all the hype, to find it's not that much better than FM3 is rather a let down.

Perhaps we have simply reached a point where racing games such at FM3 and GT have become so good looking and so good in their physics that we won't see any significant improvements on them for quite some time and any significant improvement is quite difficult to achieve.

As for the topic question - at the time the older GT games were good, but they had little competition and do not stand up to todays GT game.

[markspeed]

That's not really was I meant though. I can understand the A.I. being slow, so to allow non-simmers to be able to play, what I'm talking about is driving behavior. I've yet to see A.I. in a racing game that don't block, check brake, intentionally crash into your car, and every other manner of illegal black flag driving. It's at it's worst in FM3. It's so bad I can't even lap a car without them trying to block, check brake, slowdown massively, hog the racing line, obstruct, or do any possible thing to prevent me from getting by including deliberately crashing into my car. It never quits with the A.I. I don't know who's idea this was, but they shouldn't be involved in games at all.

Other games have A.I that is just as bad, but in different ways. I'm not to concerned about challenge. I've gave up on the A.I. challenging me as a player such a long time ago. What I can't stand is cheating. The computer is cheating by default, because they are not using a controller, and two eyes and 10 fingers to play the game. But this is unavoidable so nothing to say about that. But all the rest of it needs to go away.

It's not challenging, it doesn't compensate for a lack of challenge, as it does is take the realism out of the game. And it pisses me off to no end. And apparantly the developers in their efforts to try and please the insatiable challenge junkies continually push the envelope farther and farther with each new game. And there's no end in sight too it. It ruins all the best games.

But this is an ongoing problem and it's not going to end, so I've pretty much giving up on complaining about it. Save for this rant of course. ;-)


I try to get what fun I can out of each game I buy or rent, but my days of turning up the difficulty setting are over, cause it doesn't increase the difficulty. It merely handi-caps player 1 even more than on the lower setting, while the A.I. continue to cheat away. Complete boredom is all that creates for me. It makes any achievements totally unsatifactory.


If I want a challenge, all there is left for me is online. But from what I here most of that isn't much better.

I'm gonna have to get back into beiselperdude, or however it's pronounched, cause that seemed like the only place for good racing.

[ravenmorpheus2k]

That's not really was I meant though. I can understand the A.I. being slow, so to allow non-simmers to be able to play, what I'm talking about is driving behavior. I've yet to see A.I. in a racing game that don't block, check brake, intentionally crash into your car, and every other manner of illegal black flag driving. It's at it's worst in FM3. It's so bad I can't even lap a car without them trying to block, check brake, slowdown massively, hog the racing line, obstruct, or do any possible thing to prevent me from getting by including deliberately crashing into my car. It never quits with the A.I. I don't know who's idea this was, but they shouldn't be involved in games at all.

Other games have A.I that is just as bad, but in different ways. I'm not to concerned about challenge. I've gave up on the A.I. challenging me as a player such a long time ago. What I can't stand is cheating. The computer is cheating by default, because they are not using a controller, and two eyes and 10 fingers to play the game. But this is unavoidable so nothing to say about that. But all the rest of it needs to go away.

It's not challenging, it doesn't compensate for a lack of challenge, as it does is take the realism out of the game. And it pisses me off to no end. And apparantly the developers in their efforts to try and please the insatiable challenge junkies continually push the envelope farther and farther with each new game. And there's no end in sight too it. It ruins all the best games.

But this is an ongoing problem and it's not going to end, so I've pretty much giving up on complaining about it. Save for this rant of course. ;-)



Oh I agree. Shift 2 for example is advertised with a tag line along the lines "all the violence of real racing". Last time I looked racing wasn't violent.

And I commented in the past on Shift 1 having the XP points and rewards for dirty driving.

But again it boils down to the lowest common denominator.

They have to make the AI as they are to compensate for challenging AI because if they were challenging, besides trying to punt you off at every corner, the average joe console racer wouldn't look twice at a game - it'd be too difficult in their eyes.



I try to get what fun I can out of each game I buy or rent, but my days of turning up the difficulty setting are over, cause it doesn't increase the difficulty. It merely handi-caps player 1 even more than on the lower setting, while the A.I. continue to cheat away. Complete boredom is all that creates for me. It makes any achievements totally unsatifactory.


Yep agree with that also. I do the same, turning the AI down to suit me, i.e. so I can win.



If I want a challenge, all there is left for me is online. But from what I here most of that isn't much better.

I'm gonna have to get back into beiselperdude, or however it's pronounched, cause that seemed like the only place for good racing.

Join a GTL league, there's a few of them around and they're usually quite good fun.

Slight problem with time zones as your on the west coast of America, you'd have to be up in the middle of the night (I think) but there is good online racing out there if you want it.

Pilsbierbude/Altbierbude/Weissbierbude. ;)

[markspeed]

Oh I agree. Shift 2 for example is advertised with a tag line along the lines "all the violence of real racing". Last time I looked racing wasn't violent.

And I commented in the past on Shift 1 having the XP points and rewards for dirty driving.

But again it boils down to the lowest common denominator.

They have to make the AI as they are to compensate for challenging AI because if they were challenging, besides trying to punt you off at every corner, the average joe console racer wouldn't look twice at a game - it'd be too difficult in their eyes.



Yep agree with that also. I do the same, turning the AI down to suit me, i.e. so I can win.



Join a GTL league, there's a few of them around and they're usually quite good fun.

Slight problem with time zones as your on the west coast of America, you'd have to be up in the middle of the night (I think) but there is good online racing out there if you want it.

Pilsbierbude/Altbierbude/Weissbierbude. ;)




To my American head that first one sounds like the title for an annual Pilsner Beer Festival at a Dude ranch! :laugh:

[Kazumi]

sprint races are intense...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4CEOlRpXY8

the feeling of having 15 AIs around and anything can happen. it's just absent in GT5.