View Full Version : Our Shift2 videos
Many of us make nice videos of their laps especially on Nordschleife, let's put them all here insted of many random threads when they're forgotten after few days :)
Shift 2 Unleashed - Alfa Romeo 8c Competizione - Nordschleife at night
Elite mode, all helps off
Lap time: 7:44.xxx
Car's performance index: 998 (C class)
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Shift 2 Unleashed - Porsche 911 GT2 - Nordschleife
Elite mode, helps off
Lap time: 6:57:682
Car's performance index: 1490
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Little bonus at the end;)
I don't ever know my times as i don't bother checking
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Sphinx666
3 April 11, 17:00
I allready made a topic like this one http://www.nogripracing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=246561
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that Radical lap is awesome:thumbup:
nismoGTR123 your laps are amazing. but having the game working very good helps a lot.
nismoGTR123 your laps are amazing. but the having the game working very good helps a lot.Thanks and very true mate you are right. And exactly why i can't wait to it's gets patched so the guys having issues right now can enjoy it as much as i am. :-)
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4 April 11, 06:09
HotLap @ Bathurst. Elite physics, auto tranny, everything else off.
Epic save at 0:56
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It's not a hot lap, but it's a Shift 2 video, so I guess it's alright if I post it.
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Edit: Thank you, Sphinx666!
Nordschleife : 6:14.618
Gumpert Apollo
Elite/no driving aids.
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In downforce we trust.
Sphinx666
4 April 11, 14:07
It's not a hot lap, but it's a Shift 2 video, so I guess it's alright if I post it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3RgNAacLR0
YOUTUBE tags don't appear to work for me, does anyone know why?
Yes, you have to copy only what is after = so your video should look like this:
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Couple of missed braking points and screwed entry to carousel but will iron out the mistakes
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toothless
5 April 11, 02:28
My first (clean) lap, lol.
Nordschleife - Porsche 911 GT3 RSR 2009 (http://www.youtube.com/user/hermitised?feature=mhum#p/u/0/zjzz7rfRGUI)
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Minty Fresh
5 April 11, 02:49
It's not a hotlap, but it's shift 2
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Sphinx666
5 April 11, 12:24
Awesome drifting Minty. Nice video
Lanica Delta HF Integrale - 7.52.280 - elite - no driving aids - Logitech Formula
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Fanatec PWTS wheel at 540 degrees, Elite handling, TCS is on low and all other assists are off. Absolutely insane car to drive and very throttle sensitive. Was driving very conservatively but now that I'm getting the hang of the vehicle, I might redo it for better lap times. Also sorry about the mouse pointer, forgot to move it
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Spa francorchamp in night
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Keep the videos coming guys! These are all really awesome.
My first... attempt :-D
(Car wasn't set up perfectly and it was only the second time on this track *searches for more excuses* :mrgreen:)
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edit: How do you embed youtube vids ?
My first... attempt :-D
(Car wasn't set up perfectly and it was only the second time on this track *searches for more excuses* :mrgreen:)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btAmkVemNsc
edit: How do you embed youtube vids ?
[youtube] = code [ /youtube]
btAmkVemNsc - code of your video :D
Thanks, that did the trick :-D
edubz123
6 April 11, 11:17
I had a fun battle against AI at Road America last night. They were killing me at Spa so I'm going to try that again soon.
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Nordeschleife at night following "easy" AI for a time of 6:42:942. Really fun race in which I made lots of mistakes (don't know the track yet so following the AI served 2 purposes).
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Not a race or any fancy driving. Just a fun little bug
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4UfWRpzSqI
grave2000ca
8 April 11, 23:03
Great vid, Nismo. Good job :thumbup:
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Fantastic video..... great.... :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:
Fight with BMW M3 E36.... (4:3 screen mistake)
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Hard, elite, manual, wheel. Made couple of mistakes. Modded game as it says.
Right i could not leave that last video ending the way it did so random, plus alot of the in car sounds were too high. Finished version below. Hope you like
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Great video, nismogtr123.
Audi R8 at Nordschleife. My favorite car, my favorite track.
All assists turned off, 7:54:379. I know many of you pull off much better times, but it's my best so far.
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darkdeus01
9 April 11, 20:44
Three clean laps with a Maserati mc12 on Hockenheim Short Ring. Elite mode and all assists off, AI on hard. The AI does an awesome job racing closely without hitting you. I thought at the end that me and the Corvette hit each other but we were actually just really close to each other.
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victorhunter
10 April 11, 03:53
Audi R8 vs Porsche 997 GT3 RS vs Porsche 997 GT3 RS
Elite Mode
All Helps Off
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Minty Fresh
10 April 11, 10:45
My new drift video
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Tappi287
10 April 11, 12:55
Haven't had so much fun in a racer for years.
http://ilikeviecher.com/images/stories/videos/Shift2.jpg (http://vimeo.com/22190946)
M3 in Suzuka endurance race. Ended up third but was the best AI racing I had to date.
MadNitroBooster
10 April 11, 18:08
I could but my video here but because I use Xbox 360 i Can't.
DoubleT
11 April 11, 00:11
Based on these videos, the AI appear to be much better behaved in SHIFT2 than in SHIFT. I did a race last night and they kept trying to 'punt' me off track every time I attempted to pass.
bobbavet
11 April 11, 07:17
HOT LAP - Mt Panorama, 2:10
Full Work spec BMW 135i coupe touring car
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2-lap race vs AI at Bathurst
'71 Challenger w/tires+intake+exhaust+suspension
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lukilla
11 April 11, 08:22
Audi R8 vs Porsche 997 GT3 RS vs Porsche 997 GT3 RS
Elite Mode
All Helps Off
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I had to click because I wasn´t sure it was the game or real life clip :ohmy:
btw, What cam mod is that?
My first... attempt :-D
(Car wasn't set up perfectly and it was only the second time on this track *searches for more excuses* :mrgreen:)
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Can anyone tell me which track is this? Wanna try it :-)
DV8ing1
11 April 11, 14:18
Can anyone tell me which track is this? Wanna try it :-)
Ambush Canyon (I think it is a fantasy track, although I've been wrong in the past)
Captain Slow
11 April 11, 18:31
I slightly missed my entry point on blanchimont, but I was able to hang onto it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NdSlqFrwoY
(for some reason when I used the youtube tags, it showed up as blank. no idea why.)
edubz123
11 April 11, 18:47
I slightly missed my entry point on blanchimont, but I was able to hang onto it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NdSlqFrwoY
(for some reason when I used the youtube tags, it showed up as blank. no idea why.)
Fixed
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I'm jealous, your Spa looks much better than mine.
What are your machine specs and video settings?
Captain Slow
11 April 11, 19:59
settings
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1280x960
texture res: high
filtering: trilinear
vsync: yes
AA: High
Motion blur: high
reflection quality: medium
car detail: high
track detail: medium
shadows: off
machine
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i5 760 @ 4.1 GHz
8GB ram
gigabyte GTX 460.
and i'm still pulling in a steady 70-80fps.
Ambush Canyon (I think it is a fantasy track, although I've been wrong in the past)
Thanks DV8ing1
gaabrysz
11 April 11, 21:36
settings
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1280x960
texture res: high
filtering: trilinear
vsync: yes
AA: High
Motion blur: high
reflection quality: medium
car detail: high
track detail: medium
shadows: off
machine
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i5 760 @ 4.1 GHz
8GB ram
gigabyte GTX 460.
and i'm still pulling in a steady 70-80fps.
And what size is your display ??
Captain Slow
11 April 11, 21:40
19" crt. :)
edubz123
11 April 11, 21:45
I wonder if the zero shadows and lower res are helping you out (plus you got that i5 screaming!). Only one way to find out!
gaabrysz
11 April 11, 21:58
19" crt. :)
Ahhh used to have one like that when i was playing quakeworld :D:D:D
Captain Slow
11 April 11, 22:04
I wonder if the zero shadows and lower res are helping you out (plus you got that i5 screaming!). Only one way to find out!
nah, not really. I can have everything turned up to high with minimal fps drop. I have it set up like this because it reminds me of a race at around noon.
DV8ing1
12 April 11, 04:27
Have a new record on "nordschleife" with a 6:01:xxx
Unfortunately it was with the overpowered lambo... but its not my fault they made it the fastest car in the game (IMO).
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A little video of SHIFT in slow motion, played around with some defocus aswell, works quite well
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Absolutely stunning nismo! A delight for the eyes.
Very cool! The detail on these game replays is almost startling. I like the "marbles" you can see in the corners also. Don't remember that in Shift 1. They must all be on Pirelli F1 tires...heh.
psycosteve
12 April 11, 09:09
Cool Slow-Mo video Nismo love those slow-mo`s seeing the weight transferring through the suspension looks awesome.
This is The 1st GT3 race in vette Z06 GT3.
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This is a autolog challenge to beat Tommy Millners Lap Time on Brands Hatch Indy.
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Ai Corner Fail @ Riviera
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Drift Evo-X Forgot to change car LOL.
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Hope you all like the vids ive watched all the other videos in this thread and there all awesome some good drivers here.
max attack
12 April 11, 09:09
Here is my first shift2 vid. Me driving the porche for the first time at Mt panorama.
I shot this using my cannon sx20is. I wanted to show how nice my 120 hz benq monitor looks while playing this fantastic sim/game. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiTnKTrue7w
Graphics settings are all on full/max.
edubz123
12 April 11, 14:58
Here is my first shift2 vid. Me driving the porche for the first time at Mt panorama.
I shot this using my cannon sx20is. I wanted to show how nice my 120 hz benq monitor looks while playing this fantastic sim/game. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiTnKTrue7w
Graphics settings are all on full/max.
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Simple video of a night race at the Nuerburgring, to check if recording with Fraps worked OK. Shows off Shift 2's incredible graphics nicely, though :)
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Elite/Helps off
Nordschleife Run with Zonda R
6:47.xxx -> it's real life record too btw :D
Now call Shift 2 unrealistic :P, sorry for clipping sounds, YT messed up during convertion to their format. :(
Vaselkov
16 April 11, 07:49
A little bit of drifting + 3 different cameras:
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Direct link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STowIijGLL8
Mavrikk
16 April 11, 12:06
Just had a great battle with Juls' hard AI set to medium. Outcome wasn't sure until the last corners... :-D
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Just had a great battle with Juls' hard AI set to medium. Outcome wasn't sure until the last corners... :-D
Hahah, I was wondering how you were gonna pass him. Nice driving!
Mavrikk
17 April 11, 07:57
Thanks mate :-D
I really thought i would not be able to pass him, but right before that corner you can see a small Tyre smoke trail - looks like he lost traction for a moment which opened a small window.
I saved the replay, maybe i can make a quick one with other cameras.
Really depends on the car how the AI matches - with the Caterham i pulled away easily and with an Aston i came in 7th... Not sure how far they are able to adapt. I tried it with same class and with identical cars.
Mavrikk
18 April 11, 04:29
So i had a look again at the replay - it doesn't show the wheel smoke anymore but you can see that 'he' made a mistake by braking on the curb (actually pretty awesome that AI can make such mistakes).
And i was lucky to get this corner right and that he didn't clip my tail...
Reminds me that a race isn't over until you cross the finish line ;-)
If you like to see it from other camera angels - i made a short vid
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this one was hard as hell, Modern B Invitational Catalunya Corvette Z06.
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Hard AI, no aids no mods, elite.
A little video of SHIFT in slow motion, played around with some defocus aswell, works quite well
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Brilliant video
Brilliant videoThanks :-)
Bumping this thread up, so it won't get lost.
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Car: Pagani Huayra Works
Track: Nordschleife
Elite mode, assists: ABS: On, TC: Low, SC: On (yeh lazy)
Time: 6:20.192
My fastest run to day on Nordschleife. I know I can go scrape few more seconds as I made 2 mistakes (band and in last part my ass started sliding).
Used car setup from tepkisiz (awesome!)
EDIT: If the sound is de-synced it's YT fault (anyone knows best video settings so YT won't screw up?:))
Vaselkov
22 April 11, 15:41
Finally finished:
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LEXUS LFA REVIEW (TOP GEAR and SHIFT 2 edition) (http://youtu.be/OiHXS2IevlE)
Holy smokes that vid is surrreal :O. Ama-Zing!
gaabrysz
22 April 11, 16:15
Finally finished:
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LEXUS LFA REVIEW (TOP GEAR and SHIFT 2 edition) (http://youtu.be/OiHXS2IevlE)
Great!! just great video dude :) !! First Class :D:D
Vaselkov - Seriously sick editing mate. If you are not doing this as a job then you need to be hired. SMS should check this out, breathtaking :-)
Vaselkov
22 April 11, 16:45
Well, I am doing this just because I love editing videos. That is one of my hobbies. :-)
zacharyPL
22 April 11, 17:32
Epic! wow!
schwede17
22 April 11, 18:12
@Vaselkov very Cool !!! :thumbup:
Vaselkov
24 April 11, 09:47
Thanks for good feedback. And here is my another video. McLaren F1 + Works Kit = 440+ kph?
Are you serious? I am not cars expert, but that seems way too much for McLaren F1. :ohmy:
(SHIFT 2 McLaren F1 (WORKS KIT) reaching 440+ kph) (http://youtu.be/ctwTylb0fzw)
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With Bugatti Veyron 16.4 + Works Kit I could not reach 440 kph.
SHIFT 2 Bugatti Veyron 16.4 (WORKS KIT) reaching 435 kph (http://youtu.be/ApjFca8a16o)
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And McLaren F1 will easily reach 450+ kph if you had more road.
MaddmattH
24 April 11, 10:14
[CENTER]Thanks for good feedback. And here is my another video. McLaren F1 + Works Kit = 440+ kph?
Are you serious? I am not cars expert, but that seems way too much for McLaren F1. :ohmy:
:ohmy:
Unmodded game? Damn that's the next car I'm buying :laugh:
Vaselkov
24 April 11, 10:31
:ohmy:
Unmodded game? Damn that's the next car I'm buying :laugh:Yes, no mods which can change top speed or acceleration. But in Tune menu lots of changes. Also McLaren F1 handling is very difficult comparing to Bugatti Veyron 16.4. :-)
darkdeus01
24 April 11, 11:16
Awesome videos Vaselkov! Here's a hotlap at Bathurst in a Gumpert at Night. 1:50 time i think.
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Moohlyga
24 April 11, 13:41
input lag in SHIFT2? hahaha, no lag without mods.
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Captain Slow
24 April 11, 18:34
input lag in SHIFT2? hahaha, no lag without mods.
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hehe, nope. it's still there. I can see the delay.
Thanks for good feedback. And here is my another video. McLaren F1 + Works Kit = 440+ kph?
Are you serious? I am not cars expert, but that seems way too much for McLaren F1. :ohmy:
(SHIFT 2 McLaren F1 (WORKS KIT) reaching 440+ kph) (http://youtu.be/ctwTylb0fzw)
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With Bugatti Veyron 16.4 + Works Kit I could not reach 440 kph.
SHIFT 2 Bugatti Veyron 16.4 (WORKS KIT) reaching 435 kph (http://youtu.be/ApjFca8a16o)
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And McLaren F1 will easily reach 450+ kph if you had more road.
Don't you think it's possible? McLaren F1 was the fastest road car for almost a decade (395km/h). Consider this, the same body, but instead of it's measly 626BHP engine put there 900+BHP engine. What will happen?:)
Remember this car weight only 1200kg!! (vs Veyron almost 1900 :P).
I would believe this car would easily go 450km/h, why not. :)
Cheesenium
25 April 11, 03:11
Finally finished:
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LEXUS LFA REVIEW (TOP GEAR and SHIFT 2 edition) (http://youtu.be/OiHXS2IevlE)
Wow, this is amazing.
edubz123
25 April 11, 03:47
@Vaselkov GJ man, you've got talent
Mocambo
25 April 11, 09:47
Hello,
BMW M3 E30
Nordschleife
Elitemode, No Assists
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktuENiKZN8c
Dodge Charger R/T
Hazyview Eight
Elitemode, No Assists
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wtKy3nEde8
Best ragards
Andy
edubz123
25 April 11, 12:28
Some good GT1 action and I threw in a PiP for fun:
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Damn, so many good video production, I wish I got more money to buy a better CPU and graphic card for video recording~
Thanks for good feedback. And here is my another video. McLaren F1 + Works Kit = 440+ kph?
Are you serious? I am not cars expert, but that seems way too much for McLaren F1. :ohmy:
(SHIFT 2 McLaren F1 (WORKS KIT) reaching 440+ kph) (http://youtu.be/ctwTylb0fzw)
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With Bugatti Veyron 16.4 + Works Kit I could not reach 440 kph.
SHIFT 2 Bugatti Veyron 16.4 (WORKS KIT) reaching 435 kph (http://youtu.be/ApjFca8a16o)
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And McLaren F1 will easily reach 450+ kph if you had more road.
For example i had 404kph on 5th gear on work Supra, but I started when road became straight, also i think that Supra can beat Bugatti ;)
Vaselkov
27 April 11, 18:23
For example i had 404kph on 5th gear on work Supra, but I started when road became straight, also i think that Supra can beat Bugatti ;)Yup. Supra (Max upgrades, no Works Kit) easily can reach 460 kph using nitro. :-) But if Veyron or McLaren F1 had nitro I think they could reach 500+ kph. Nitro is huge advantage. ;-)
Jozef420
28 April 11, 05:57
Just a crash trying to win the NFS Scion :mrgreen:
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Nice vids all, wish the ai were that much of a challenge in my copy of shift :(
Jozef420
28 April 11, 21:52
A couple laps at Miami drift park in Dmac's AE86
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goatrage
29 April 11, 13:15
how do you record these?
Did some crashing on Nurburing, flew through the environment. Strange
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PS: I'm rendering with Movie Maker at 1680x1050 (also my native resolution) and using Full size in fraps. Still the aspect/resolution looks wierd on Youtube. How do I fix this?
edubz123
29 April 11, 16:22
how do you record these?
http://www.fraps.com/
try the free version for a little while. I use PowerDirector 9 to edit, pretty user-friendly and puts out 1080p clips. Oh yeah, there's a free trial version of that too.
If you got an XP computer lying around you can edit the fraps recordings with Windows Movie Maker but that only gets out 480p. Still a good way to start the adventure IMO.
http://www.fraps.com/
try the free version for a little while. I use PowerDirector 9 to edit, pretty user-friendly and puts out 1080p clips. '
If you got an XP computer lying around you can edit the fraps recordings with Windows Movie Maker but that only gets out 480p. Still a good way to start the adventure IMO.
Movie maker does work for Vista and Windows 7
Hagane007
30 April 11, 17:43
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Just a quick lap at the ring. Read the video description for more details (as well as a mention of NoGrip. :P)
Jozef420
30 April 11, 19:05
:thumbup:
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Just a quick lap at the ring. Read the video description for more details (as well as a mention of NoGrip. :P)
SKCDop3man
30 April 11, 20:12
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gardenx
30 April 11, 20:41
Following the idea of "nismo", i decided to make a video with slow motion shots too
Hope you enjoy...
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You just need to paste the bit after the = between the youtube tags for it to embed. :-)
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nice run btw :thumbup:
@gardenx : excellent job man. I think Chris Cornell (sp?) makes the best racing music too! I had an idea to do a slo-mo track with Cochise as the soundtrack. Great job, do more please!
anyone know how to use AfterEffects ?
I have tons of FRAPS recordings but the thing stop at 4gigs and do another segments of 4gigs. I try to weld the movie together but it appear to not allow two clips to be in the same layer. And worst, even it I place the two clips around the breaking point with a layer below, the movie doesn't extend itself. I have to adjust manually somewhere the exact timing which I don't even have a clue, I just type random minutes and seconds.
I used to use Windows Media Maker from Win7, it nice but mess with the sounds and theres a delay between clips
Jonzy: You need to have the clips on separate layers. From your source directory, drag and drop the clip onto the timeline, then slide it over to meet up with the end of the first clip. Hold shift when you're dragging the clip on the timeline for it to "snap" onto the end of the first clip.
sweet thanks it work :)
Still, is there an automated way to resize the movie clip in order to fit them all? It probably the only thing left to learn correctly before venturing.
I am a photoshop expert and trying to fit in the AE experience is totally awkward for the basics, just when I began Photoshop, but when you got the basics everything else rolls :)
You want to fit more into the timeline? Just change the composition time length. I usually set it to something ludicrously high then just match the length when I'm finished editing.
Menu bar> Composition> Composition settings
yeah that's the way I was doing it in the end. Kinda surprise after all these years of R&D in Adobe office they haven't come up with a simpler way to adjust timeline to fit the clips together. These guys just don't get it.
Hah. Well, I've been fine with how things are with Ae; I've been using it for years now. Like I said, I always just set the comp. time length to something huge like 15 minutes then just copy and paste the time from the last frame of the finished video into the comp. settings. That takes like 5 seconds, really.
Also, pre-comping is useful when you're dealing with multiple clips (Ctrl+Shift+C).
yeah but my point is why to make a software tedious to use when theres free software already can do it better (beside the effects thing). I know it like 5 seconds away but it really breaking the balls when you have so many features when it can be break into simple clicks. It like if they make it so complex to make sure they have people to get Adobe certs or something.
I had some clips with SHIFT 2 crashes/accidents so here is short video:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-J516Pn7BQk
Just in case we have not enough Nords vids... :-P
Won for the first time with the MX-5 (somehow i can't match the AI speed on the straights - so i tried to gain some space through the corners. Was just enough :-D)
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Mavrikk: Great Video!
#1 You included AI opponents. I like this so much better than the "Wheee, look how fast I can drive Nords by myself" videos.
#2 The P-i-P was a great idea ;)
More please!
jacks_fuhrer
3 May 11, 20:55
mavrikk => how did you get that helmet view without having the pilot turning his head?
Thank you :-) !
Jacks, i use this camera mod : http://www.nogripracing.com/details.php?filenr=32151
An earlier version though because i still don't have a patch (Steam). Just saw that the new mod comes with a crash fix for Suzuka... Gosh, i need that one...
jacks_fuhrer
4 May 11, 18:59
thank you ;)
i checked mods yesterday and i found one other mod (Default Camera plus Visor Mod for Patch 1.01 v1.2 + Look to Apex) modifying only views so i took it and i've got the same view now
but thank you to make me search to such a mod :)
Another video... Audioslave again... 8-)
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gardenx, I get this message:
This video contains content from SME, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds.
Is this only blocked in my country (Lithuania) or others can't watch too?
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Had very horrible accident in SHIFT 2... video:
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wow, that looked bad. Hope everyone is ok now.
gardenx: another great one. GJ
Grandshift
6 May 11, 00:26
Mind if I drop some in here?
Hard/Elite no aids
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this really is one of hte most fun driving games I've ever played/heard :laugh:
Im trying to get some videos done but im having trouble compiling the frap segments, it all comes out in pal bit and looks really awful, any help please?
Im trying to get some videos done but im having trouble compiling the frap segments, it all comes out in pal bit and looks really awful, any help please?
What are you using?
power director/live movie maker
In PDirector, I think there's a setting in the 3rd tab ("editing", "recording", forgot the name) that allows you to choose the output format/quality. Play with those. I choose MPEG-4 at Full/High HD (just make sure it's outputting 1080p).
Thank you :-) !
Jacks, i use this camera mod : http://www.nogripracing.com/details.php?filenr=32151
An earlier version though because i still don't have a patch (Steam). Just saw that the new mod comes with a crash fix for Suzuka... Gosh, i need that one...
That mod could only be considered a camera mod in the very first version. The later versions change lots of other things as well, even handling.
I posted back in like January that the modders should separate physics mods from everything else. Few listened to my suggestions unfortunately.
monsterZERO
6 May 11, 22:16
My Let's Play of Shift 2 (http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=E80B5A53B0CA3313), Hard AI, no assists (Except racing line, SOMETIMES:mrgreen:)
First episode...
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When I get trackIR working proper, I'll have to get some footage done, coz it does look awesome.
Try and get some done of the private racing that is getting together.
Cant seem to get the vid to work, used youtube tags with url and embed code but neither work, I assumed youtube tags would do it =/
monsterZERO
7 May 11, 04:10
Cant seem to get the vid to work, used youtube tags with url and embed code but neither work, I assumed youtube tags would do it =/
Just use the last part of the url... For example: The url for the vid I posted is "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vXSpn-WOME", but all you need to put in the youtube tags is "3vXSpn-WOME"
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First vid, so a few errors but doesnt ruin it too much, sorry I cant record live race but my processor is really old.
Little mistake @ third corner by me, very close race until last lap, ai made a mistake and hit the grass lol
Controller, Elite, No assists, Manual Gears, Hard AI always.
I was bored so I tried to make a comedy out of this one.
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Shift 1 and Shift 2
Same track - Same Car - Same Settings.(Play both simultaneously)
NFS Shift 1: Tokyo Circuit - Ford GT
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Shift 2 Unleashed: Tokyo Circuit - Ford GT
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My personal fight @ Miami in C class with my Lexus IS F
NO AIDS, Elite level, Logitech MOMO forcefeedback (SHIFT2 version 1.0)
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psycosteve
18 May 11, 10:54
gonna post my latest 3 videos that i did yesterday while playing Multiplayer with DV8ing1
noticed theres alot of single player videos so thought these might make it a little different.
G25 @ 450 degrees no aids or assits Elite mode, only mod i use is my own cockpit/helmet camera mod.
Me & DV8ing1 this is a test to see how recording went when playing MP
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D class MP race us 2 plus some randoms.
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Last 1 us 2 in works LP640s @ spa
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i see a lot of people just guning for first smashing the AI i hope this are not the same complaining about how the AI smashes you. no patience just gun it to pass on any place they can no matter if they hit the other car.
same problem we got online people at the end of straightaways going on the inside thinking they can overtake but they dont think that their car will slide to the outside of the corner smashing into the other car. maybe its because such short races 2 or 3 laps gives no time to play clean for them i dont know.
Nordschleife in 5:46:000
Just thought I'd post my new record on nords. After what felt like 200 retries I figured I'd post the vid where I finally nailed it. Keep in mind this is with juls minimod and completely unattainable with the vanilla game. This is not a "brag" vid... more of a trophy :P
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Some rather good AI action last night. Sense of speed in this game is unbelievable. If you know the track and anticipate the AI you can have a great time. Unfortunately this was the Hard AI and I was easily able to podium so I'm looking forward to Griff's "Max" AI difficulty coming up in patch 2.
But even the Hard AI in patch 1 is miles ahead of the Shift1 AI. Really I find the patch 1 (stock) AI pretty clean drivers but you will see them defend their position occasionally.
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*sounds were tweaked*, you may not like it
This is the first video I made pretty soon after I got the game to show people complaining about sliding cars and bad handling that you could get a tight ride in this game with some tuning.
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And this is a short crash compilation. Nothing spectacular, mostly annoying spins and crazy AI.
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Don Chulio
19 May 11, 15:12
here some of my videos :
Driving on 2 Wheels :
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360° Car Slideshow :
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Some classic muscle car race on the dreaded Glendale map. Have to be gentle on the gas :o
Worked Charger R/T - The replay cam is starting at 4:00
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..to show people complaining about sliding cars and bad handling that you could get a tight ride in this game with some tuning.
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I think those who are complaining are not taking the time to learn the cars, tuning, track corner entry speeds, break points, turn-ins etc. They may be "porting" over their own experiences from other games. Not every car is well modelled in Shift2 but most are decent.
Some bad accidents in the 2nd video (Lambo @ Nords; hairpin @ London), but fun to watch :thumbup:
I got inspired by all the videos in this thread, and decided to take a stab at the best autolog time among my friends at Laguna Seca. This time in a Lambo...
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Don't worry, the lap itself is without music. Just a little bit in the beginning over a couple of replay clips.
Really fun race @ Silverstone. I got lucky with the cloudy weather, more interesting scenery.
Question: Why do I backfire so much (relative to AI cars)? Am I doing something wrong? Happens nearly everytime I let off the gas.
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An epic race I had against AI set on Hard and only assist on was ABS.
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nice race apoxc !
I also had some fun with GT1 opponents at Spa. Here's the final 1.5 laps where I chase down the leading All-Inkl Lambos. A little dirty on the final hairpin but "THIS IS REAL RACING" !
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Here's a compilation of some sequences I've captured before the GT1-2-3 events. I took the opportunity to learn AE so there you go.
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edubz123
12 June 11, 11:09
excellent job Jonzy! sometimes making these videos is more fun than playing the game. keep them coming!
thanks :D I've wasted my time in AE I realized it more easier on Premiere to do that kind of stuffs :D
I'll try to make another one but my footages get shorter :(
edubz123
14 June 11, 11:47
Turn up your speakers:
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I was about to use Filter on my next video but I changed my mind because I knew it so often use :p
nice vid.
I tried to post another one but I have problem with my current vid where there's stuttering in the final rendered product that I can't get rid.
edubz123
14 June 11, 15:38
I threw out so many other bands and then had to "settle" for this one. Sevendust "Black" was my 2nd choice. Maybe next time. Or you can use it, but do it justice!
lol I think we need to have realistic tire barriers :D
Nice vid though ;)
This is my latest one, hope you'll like it :)
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edubz123
16 June 11, 16:37
Nice one again Jonzy. Good use of the video effects!
Although I gotta say, you're a much better video editor than GT driver! lol, jk.
aw http://www.rage3d.com/board/images/smilies/tear.gif
Many of us make nice videos of their laps especially on Nordschleife, let's put them all here
is what the OP said... (topic)
Swiftracer
16 June 11, 18:19
that's quite an small alg compared to my original ps3 controller... and ps3 game crashes like hell on the same place for every car... on upgrading to be exact engine swapping :D
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the moddet bmw m3 gtr @gt1 spec :thumbup:
anyone using ptm 1.62?
i'd like to see a round nordschleife with the z4gt3
Mongoose08
16 June 11, 22:56
I would like to share my hot lap on the Nordschleife with the Scion ts. It's a real time onboard rec. There is quite a difference between replay and live recording according to the reproduction of dynamic effects and the motion of the steering wheel (unfortunately).
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Was too pushy on some corners, hehe, but that's live rec.
Thanks for watching and sharing all your videos.
Stanley87
17 June 11, 10:27
2 hot laps :)
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Are you running a little too much downforce? Or maybe too short gear ratios? Cos down the Doettinger Hoehe you got caught really fast by the Maserati and the Lambo...
dont know why... i changed nothing on gear... this setting i drive on other cars too and it drives great.. but the vette... hmm... only 270kph at döttingerhöhe... downforce is front and rear at 14
on this vid u will find also lap2 ;)
dont know why... i changed nothing on gear... this setting i drive on other cars too and it drives great.. but the vette... hmm... only 270kph at döttingerhöhe... downforce is front and rear at 14
on this vid u will find also lap2 ;)
Try go into tuning and test race Nordschleife, then do a 180 and drive up and down the long straight while adjusting gear and downforce. You need a pretty specific set-up for that track.
This was basically to show what's wrong with the drift mode. I've tried all setups, tuning, and techniques I can think of, but it's still less than satisfying. I mean, I can manage to drift, and have finished the first drift event, but it feels nothing like it should. The insane torque the cars get in drift mode is not even close to fun:
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TC seems generally deactivated / overwrite in Drift mode.
torque steer could be lowered by higher camber, negative toe and negative camber.
and of course less differential power, but that's not accessable in Drift mode. but makes it more fun and he's driving like 30 kph? :w00t: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvvudyY70hw&feature=related
(and he hasn't even tuned engine & exhaust which comes for free in Drift mode...)
Stanley87
26 June 11, 14:07
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Dancing mirror...watch the right-hand mirror during the onboard shot
http://www.youtube.com/user/Saabjock#p/a/u/0/TeLA_3-YaNY
TC seems generally deactivated / overwrite in Drift mode.
torque steer could be lowered by higher camber, negative toe and negative camber.
You're missing the point. The fact that drift mode has the kind of physics displayed in my video proves that there is something wrong with it. Of cours,e I can bend over backwards to cope with it and try to tune the car despite this, but the weird handling will still be there, and it shouldn't be like that.
Dancing mirror...watch the right-hand mirror during the onboard shot
http://www.youtube.com/user/Saabjock#p/a/u/0/TeLA_3-YaNY
Is your linnk working?
Here's my take on the week 7 challenge:
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Aurvan
Is your link working?
Yes. It is.
Another video...running the Nissan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvEmh572qCc
Nice Porsche...nice drivin'.
You're missing the point. The fact that drift mode has the kind of physics displayed in my video proves that there is something wrong with it. Of cours,e I can bend over backwards to cope with it and try to tune the car despite this, but the weird handling will still be there, and it shouldn't be like that.
well if you read my posts in the S2U drift thread you would know that I don't think it's 100% correct ;)
the video I linked just showed that you can spin cars like that even without engine power upgrades at pretty low speeds.
I dunno why they chose to add torque to some point, especially when each cars has numerous engine or turbo upgrades available. either do a drift set-up for people to load or don't. now it's something intermediate.
This isn't technically my video; the driver is Tommy Milner. Nor is it technically Shift 2; it's real world. But what it is, is awesome :)
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Didn't know that they have to do Nurburgring GP before entering Nordshleife? That is not like the game!
But what it is, is awesome :)
IT IS!
Actually it's not in the game (unlike GT5 which does have that). Wish it did.
My first race with the new DLC, Shelby Cobra 427 at Rouen - Les-Essarts Short. Shame the AI update did not get trough, but you can always make your own fun & side ways is always fun 8-)
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edubz123
30 June 11, 20:17
nice video.
"Vaaat iiizz thisss over-steeer you speak ovvv?"
6:27 = nice air!
selfdiscarded
5 July 11, 20:53
Life is scary... a Shift 2 montage
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Good montage. Fitting music. A great collection of epic movie quotes. All in all, I approve of this video!
selfdiscarded
5 July 11, 22:19
Thank you for your kind words :D
^^ ohhhh man that was great !! One of the most enjoyable videos i've seen :)
Nice work, fantastic quotes too.
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First attempt at posting a Vid
Nothing fancy but it was a decent run on the NordShleife by night
BMW 135i Coupe
Car Rating: 556
Top Speed: 265 km/h
Elite Handling
ABS On
AI Hard
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWwx-Lq8I-s
Must have done something wrong since it dint embed the Vid
Fixed
http://www.fraps.com/
try the free version for a little while. I use PowerDirector 9 to edit, pretty user-friendly and puts out 1080p clips. Oh yeah, there's a free trial version of that too.
If you got an XP computer lying around you can edit the fraps recordings with Windows Movie Maker but that only gets out 480p. Still a good way to start the adventure IMO.
There are a few more programs to record youre games like the Xfire Client or ZDsoft Screen Recorder.
For those with MSI cards you can now allso use MSI Afterburner 2.2.0 Beta (its free) to record youre games.
Decent quality vids and file size and allmost 0 performance loss unlike Fraps wich lags the hell out of youre system unless you have a very powerfull PC ofc.
I disagree. I've tried both and Afterburner has 5 fps loss and poor sound sampling. More stable than Fraps tho.
This is my latest one, hope you'll like it :)
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Seriously one of the coolest videos for S2 I have seen. Freekin awesome.
well thank you, another one is in production :D
I like your vidz too Jonzy :thumbup:
Still that wheel turning so much for so little direction change is driving me crazy.
You turn the controler wheel that much or is it because of increased sensitivity ?
Maybe it because I use 540 degree wheel rotation? I dont use wheel sensitivity so it not this. Don't think it drive me nuts, old muscle cars just understeer a bit much, pretty much used to it, but sometime hairpins is such a headaches because some cars just doesn't steer much as my grandmom car :P
My own personnal challenge, driving the Gumpert at night at Nord in the career Nordschleife24. My god that was hard, like driving a ship with two eyepatches and two peglegs, I like retried hundreds of time and tuning as well. The AIs were oppressive at best, especially that blue Gumpert who was so damn quicker. Fierce battle after the Karussel, I was nervous because he usually ram over me if I was slower. But I beaten him, fhew.
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Nice run Jonzy .. skimmed the grass a few times but ill give you that when driving that monster :) And no assist iether very nice.
Gotta love Nordschleife at night the sense of speed is amazing.
Think i might have to try a faster car aswell, maybe try a pagani see if i can get a clean lap with one of those
selfdiscarded
10 July 11, 20:12
New personal record 5:45 around Nordschleife with the new Pagani Zonda Cinque Roadster
no (handling) mods
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Life is scary... a Shift 2 montage
Nice video.. Personally, I would have preferred if the movie quotes stopped halfway through, but that's just me. ;)
selfdiscarded
10 July 11, 21:30
Thank you, any opinion is always welcome :-)
Nice run Selfdiscarded 5:45 even with the assist thats nice ..
Now try that at night and turn off those assist aswell ;)
I was trying to get the speed hunters pagani around the nord without any assist myself .. And even though i know the layout quite well i was all over the place! Corners simply get thrown at you at night, so unpredictable when doing 300Km/h yet so fun to try.
Keep em comming guys loving these vids.
selfdiscarded
11 July 11, 01:11
No assists mate except abs
The car pivot effect is really obvious in that video. Reminds of SHIFT1. I have not seen that much myself on SHIFT2 but it looks horrible. The car does not turn at the front wheels but rather the centre of the car. It's a very odd effect and lets SHIFT2 down alot IMO, makes it look extremely arcady.
I hope they change that in the new sim.
New personal record 5:45 around Nordschleife with the new Pagani Zonda Cinque Roadster
no (handling) mods
would you share your setup? i tried the Cinque Roadster too, but i can´t drive it like you in your video.
It´s also possible, that i´m not so skilled :laugh:
Actually cars pivot at their centre mass not just the front wheels. Watch some vids of the real RX-7's racing and you'll see what I mean :)
Actually cars pivot at their centre mass not just the front wheels. Watch some vids of the real RX-7's racing and you'll see what I mean :)Sorry but that does not look right in the slightest, it's like watching a lap of nords in PGR.
Yeah it is exaggerated unfortunately :(
khildram
11 July 11, 09:19
The car pivot effect is really obvious in that video. Reminds of SHIFT1. I have not seen that much myself on SHIFT2 but it looks horrible. The car does not turn at the front wheels but rather the centre of the car. It's a very odd effect and lets SHIFT2 down alot IMO, makes it look extremely arcady.
I hope they change that in the new sim.
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You can really see that a lot on some cars. Especially the fast ones.
you people seem to have driven real cars with 1000 hp :-)
look at LMP1 cars they are fundamentally different then the cars that can be works converted. starting from wheel base (yes there's a reason they made all cars long tail version in le mans at the end of 1990s and that's not just to make them flip ;-) ) , ending with advanced traction control.
you people seem to have driven real cars with 1000 hp :-)
look at LMP1 cars they are fundamentally different then the cars that can be works converted. starting from wheel base (yes there's a reason they made all cars long tail version in le mans at the end of 1990s and that's not just to make them flip ;-) ) , ending with advanced traction control.Not sure if that's aimed at my comment about car behaviour or not? Your post is hard to understand and either way, it does not look right and looks arcady as hell. It's like the car is driving with a pole through the middle of the car and turns on that pole, rather than it's tyres.
I have watched a few videos today that exibit that same behaviour, mainly the Lambo LP640 videos, it just looks shocking and very unreal. It's dissapointing to see as that was my main gripe with SHIFT1.
I only drive the GT1 and GT3 cars really and they seem ok.
I'm just trying to say there are 100 reasons not to build a (real) car to drive like that. not one of them is that it's not physically possible :-)
khildram
11 July 11, 17:37
I only drive the GT1 and GT3 cars really and they seem ok.
Still they slide a lot for GTs.
While sliding the legend oldies looks ok, sliding those through corners at 150 kph looks odd, you can even put maximum wing the thing will still oversteer a bit and pass sideways faster than what I think would be normal.
But the works car are really the most awfull for that. You can slide 90° and come back.
I think the normal street cars look the most normal sliding-wise, even though with some RWD I still think you should sometimes be able to loose grip or send it sliding when flooring the gas pedal.
It's hard to put into terms, but I think it really shows in the replays in track view. When you've seen a lot of GT IRL, you see that the cars are really tighter and they don't have their back slightly drifting on the side in long fast curves.
Still they slide a lot for GTs.
While sliding the legend oldies looks ok, sliding those through corners at 150 kph looks odd, you can even put maximum wing the thing will still oversteer a bit and pass sideways faster than what I think would be normal.
But the works car are really the most awfull for that. You can slide 90° and come back.
I think the normal street cars look the most normal sliding-wise, even though with some RWD I still think you should sometimes be able to loose grip or send it sliding when flooring the gas pedal.
It's hard to put into terms, but I think it really shows in the replays in track view. When you've seen a lot of GT IRL, you see that the cars are really tighter and they don't have their back slightly drifting on the side in long fast curves.
Yeah i agree, i think your right. I think maybe when your driving yourself it's not as noticeable than it was watching a video like that. Even so, i have never seen my cars acting like that on a pivot, it looks very very odd and i really hope SMS change that for the new sim
selfdiscarded
11 July 11, 19:24
Nice run Selfdiscarded 5:45 even with the assist thats nice ..
Now try that at night and turn off those assist aswell ;)
I was trying to get the speed hunters pagani around the nord without any assist myself .. And even though i know the layout quite well i was all over the place! Corners simply get thrown at you at night, so unpredictable when doing 300Km/h yet so fun to try.
Keep em comming guys loving these vids.
I see your challenge and i raise it with no lights either.
LIVE recording HELMET cam with no lights (destroyed) with a Pagani Zonda Cinque Roadster. Time was 5:57
no mods
abs only
Check the options screen at the end of the video
Now your turn ;)
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lol what the ..
You must have one bright monitor to be able and drive that way
Anyway like i said before i was all over the place and im not even close to that time ..
managed to do a 6:25 : /
But will give it a try with ABS guess these cars would have it on anyway.
khildram
11 July 11, 19:36
:laugh:
selfdiscarded
11 July 11, 19:48
Its always something isnt it? Just like in fps they call hacks :P
Its not a bright monitor either. You dont need one anyway since you can still follow the lines (somewhat), and notice some of the breaking points (i still did many mistakes, even a crash). Ofcourse the main part is memory, I've been around that track many times :-)
edubz123
11 July 11, 19:55
i feel a Ricky Bobby "blindfold driving scene' Youtube post coming up
try without monitor, and with AIs!
While sliding the legend oldies looks ok, sliding those through corners at 150 kph looks odd, you can even put maximum wing the thing will still oversteer a bit and pass sideways faster than what I think would be normal.
But the works car are really the most awfull for that. You can slide 90° and come back.
I think the normal street cars look the most normal sliding-wise, even though with some RWD I still think you should sometimes be able to loose grip or send it sliding when flooring the gas pedal.
It's hard to put into terms, but I think it really shows in the replays in track view. When you've seen a lot of GT IRL, you see that the cars are really tighter and they don't have their back slightly drifting on the side in long fast curves.
I agree :-)
Headsoup
12 July 11, 04:23
Yeah i agree, i think your right. I think maybe when your driving yourself it's not as noticeable than it was watching a video like that. Even so, i have never seen my cars acting like that on a pivot, it looks very very odd and i really hope SMS change that for the new sim
It's a viewpoint/fov thing. I think it's also because it's so easy to go past the limits in Shift 2, but check the below and tell me that car doesn't look like it's rotating around a centre 'pivot' point...
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If you change the camera to be on the boot of the car, it'll look like the car is rotating around the back axles...
Edit: Here's an example:
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khildram
12 July 11, 08:27
It's a viewpoint/fov thing. I think it's also because it's so easy to go past the limits in Shift 2, but check the below and tell me that car doesn't look like it's rotating around a centre 'pivot' point...
If you change the camera to be on the boot of the car, it'll look like the car is rotating around the back axles...
Yes i think you have a point here, but I'd say the pivot effect is when the camera seems to be on the center of the car like the first video (see the cam is on the roof). Also the first car is sliding a lot.
When you get the camera in front or rear of the car you get less this pivot sensation than when you're in the middle.
But it's not really from inside view he's talking, more from replay view, I'll try to post a video to explain this better.
It's really hard to describe what seems wrong in S2U, because it's almost like you're alway sliding and never find the good grid, but still you can't loose control while sliding.
It's a viewpoint/fov thing. I think it's also because it's so easy to go past the limits in Shift 2, but check the below and tell me that car doesn't look like it's rotating around a centre 'pivot' point...
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If you change the camera to be on the boot of the car, it'll look like the car is rotating around the back axles...
Edit: Here's an example:
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Whats really annoying now is i have began to notice it in my game in cockpit as i'm looking for it now :angry: I don't know the thinking behind it but i can understand people passing SHIFT2 off as just another arcade racer now after seeing that video.
The pivot effect has always been in SHIFT1 and to a degree it's very obvious in the replays in SHIFT2, the cars just look very unatural, even when driving it without being on the edge.
I really don't like it and it gives a disconnected feel visually IMO.
I literally had to switch to bumper cam last night as it was so distracting
khildram
12 July 11, 09:22
Here is what I mean, it does not look so bad from inside cam, but from replay cam... It does not look natural at all.
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Anyway the pivot effect is also present in all ISI engines, so it's fairly normal you have them here too. But it's not really that the problem.
The problem is that you always feel sliding and the tires never really loose the grip.
That's sliding/drifting though and not what i'm talking about as we have already discussed that issue in another thread mate. Where me and you were outnumbered and that was seen as realistic, when really just that video there shows how arcady the game can be if you choose to abuse the grip levels. You would never see a RL FIA GT1 car behaving in that manner, it's like PGR for the PC
My issue is more to do with the car seeming to turn from the centre on a pole rather than it's front wheels.
khildram
12 July 11, 09:43
Yes I see what you mean, I still feel this is less present in GTR² and S2U than rF though.
That video was more to illustrate the point I wanted to make ;)
The one that I think Katzumi agreed.
From inside you always have the impression of pivot because the cam is nearly at the center of the car. From bonnet and bumper you don't have so much that impression. I did not notice this too much from esterior replay either, but then you may still stand a bit true, I read this from the gameindustry.biz article :
The chassis model in itself is pretty extensive (approximately 150 parameters). Basics include weight and CG heights and positions and we model the weight and inertia of the sprung and un-sprung masses separately along with spin inertias of the un-sprung items (wheels, brake discs etc). There are 3D suspension geometry parameters for all inner/outer points of a double wishbone along with the tie-rod and damper placements.
From inside you always have the impression of pivot because the cam is nearly at the center of the car. From bonnet and bumper you don't have so much that impression.
Which you just now basically agreed with Headsoup's statement. ;)
khildram
12 July 11, 13:38
Which you just now basically agreed with Headsoup's statement. ;)
Whom I didn't say I disagreed with ;-), I added to the fact that depending on the camera position you can have more or less that pivot impression.
I was correcting what he said, because I think the effect feels more pronounced when the camera is at the rotating middle of the car than in front or back.
So of course there's an optical effect, but to some extent you can see it in sims like rF2 on some mods. Usually it would be cars that have the gravity center at the middle between the wheels.
You may see it also with S2U, it still did not notice it yet.
Whom I didn't say I disagreed with ;-), I added to the fact that depending on the camera position you can have more or less that pivot impression.
I was correcting what he said, because I think the effect feels more pronounced when the camera is at the rotating middle of the car than in front or back.
So of course there's an optical effect, but to some extent you can see it in sims like rF2 on some mods. Usually it would be cars that have the gravity center at the middle between the wheels.
You may see it also with S2U, it still did not notice it yet.
I guess what he was originally saying, which I agree with, is that it's not the physics. It's just an issue with the cameras and FOV which give the impression of the pogo stick pivot position. When the camera is always focused on a single point, that's what happens as everything else moves but the camera. You can really see the effect in games which use a static chase cam:
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khildram
12 July 11, 15:01
I don't see why this is different from what I say, but i'm not english, so I might express myself using wrong words or word that are sugects to different interpretation.
So of course there's an optical effect, but to some extent you can see it in sims like rF on some mods. Usually it would be cars that have the gravity center at the middle between the wheels.
Here I agree with that optical effect, but add that on rF you can almost see a pivot more or less depending some mods. And I was talking seeing from outside, track camera view.
In the sim model, you have a center of inertia for a vehicle, so from a model point of view there is something that will act as the center of the car for the sprung masses and that will translate/pitch/yaw/roll given what the tires do.
Thing is it should not rotate too much without translating enough. Because if you only have a rotation without translation, then it looks odd.
If the rear tires are allowed to slide too fast compared to front it can make it look odd too. Like on my vid, it really look like there is some kind of pole making the car go back to straight line.
I might be wrong but some drifts/skids definetely don't look right an they get catch up almost like magically.
Again, I think it's something built-in for the pads as the sensitivy is very low on a pad compared to a wheel.
I really have troubles to put words on what feels wrong in the game. Simply a GT or race spec car that would slide like in my vid at 160kph but then immediately catch it up that easily is not right. Maybe it's something bad at aero level, I don't know. I had max wing there, so it may help to catch the drift, but the car should not have drifted like that in the first place. Maybe go straight because of too much wing, but not loose the end like this.
I could be wrong, but this does not look right on replays.
I guess what he was originally saying, which I agree with, is that it's not the physics. It's just an issue with the cameras and FOV which give the impression of the pogo stick pivot position. When the camera is always focused on a single point, that's what happens as everything else moves but the camera. You can really see the effect in games which use a static chase cam:
eaqj03nKl58That is 100% bang on what i'm talking about, i.e the pogo stick effect. It's nothing to do with the physics i have a gripe with but rather as shown in the original video i responded to the car behaviour looks very unatural and tbh just plain stupid.
Don't think it's FOV either as for me the cockpit FOV is perfect in SHIFT2 and miles better than the wider original SHIFT FOV
Regarding RF, i raced RF for a good 5 years and not once have i seen this odd cockpit effect that SHIFT2 has, not once and we raced many many mods.
I have never seen this effect in iRacing either and as said earlier SHIFT1 was the first time i saw this odd behaviour and now i am seeing it in SHIFT2.
It's the most odd effect i have ever seen in any race game and it totally reminds me of the PGR games. There is nothing we can do now though, but i really hope SMS change this effect for the new game as i am a cockpit player and i can not stand this effect, to the point i can no longer race like that.
I don't want to post in the new game thread as i don't want to sound like a broken record and been seen to be forever moaning about SHIFT2. But more and more lately i am noticing alot that i don't like and really hope they can change
Never really noticed it untill i watched that Nord run Selfdiscared posted.
And i wasnt trying to bash him, but to me it looked like it was the assist (active stability management) that was turning that car.
Now i see the effect on other cars aswell but meh ..
I tend to drive with the bomit cam anyway wich basicly eliminates the effect.
Personaly i can look passed it and still enjoy the game, but it would be nice if it could be fixed/reduced :-)
Here is what I mean, it does not look so bad from inside cam, but from replay cam... It does not look natural at all.
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Anyway the pivot effect is also present in all ISI engines, so it's fairly normal you have them here too. But it's not really that the problem.
The problem is that you always feel sliding and the tires never really loose the grip.
that's no bad driving.
imagine it's a (upgraded) honda s2000.
car doesn't rely on downforce. tires are very grippy. set-up is very soft.
take one thing out of the equation - and it won't work.
it's one reason why I'd like to see more road or mountain tracks. you can be fast. but you can also crash easily by driving like that :-)
on the other hand I can't see how that makes him faster in that video. he's sideways where he could easily remain at ~ 170 kph and accelerate.
I don't want to post in the new game thread as i don't want to sound like a broken record and been seen to be forever moaning about SHIFT2. But more and more lately i am noticing alot that i don't like and really hope they can change
please post it their so we can make it not happen (I doubt it's really necessarily after they release the first version though...)
just don't use the word "arcade" :mrgreen: . PGR and rFactor will do.
khildram
12 July 11, 16:30
that's no bad driving.
imagine it's a (upgraded) honda s2000.
car doesn't rely on downforce. tires are very grippy. set-up is very soft.
take one thing out of the equation - and it won't work.
it's one reason why I'd like to see more road or mountain tracks. you can be fast. but you can also crash easily by driving like that :-)
on the other hand I can't see how that makes him faster in that video. he's sideways where he could easily remain at ~ 170 kph and accelerate.
I made that video. I just find it strange to loose the car when the aero should stick me to the ground in fast curves. I did set max wings there.
Maybe there is something wrong with springs settings but I think I had them to a very stiff setting compared to default. And I think the swaybars were stiff too.
That does not make me faster, that is true.
The "faster when sliding" is already illustrated by the original video from selfdiscarded which brought this discussion (with the Pagani on Nords), second turn, you can see the car 90° sideways before entering the right turn.
I wanted to show another car behaviour that look odd from a track camera perspective. Like that catch of the drift is like the car turning out round a pole.
I'd love to see selfsdiscarded's replay from the TV cam.
I'd love to see selfsdiscarded's replay from the TV cam.I wouldn't, it was torture enough from the cockpit.
Regarding my views, take a look below and see if you agree. The cockpit behaviour is extremely like PGR.. Just want to say btw that how slick it still looks now and how much i would of loved to have seen that game running on a PC.
I accepted that game as a bonkers arcade racer and loved that game. But SHIFT2 is a sim and it displays that same behaviour in the cockpit as PGR.
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I made that video.
sorry :-) . didn't checked the uploaders name on youtube.
I accepted that game as a bonkers arcade racer and loved that game. But SHIFT2 is a sim and it displays that same behaviour in the cockpit as PGR.
I agree. probably the only arcade game where it still feels a bit like driving a car (compared to full arcade games like Burnout, Sega Rally and so on) :thumbup:
Shift 1 in normal mode resembled it a bit (with grip and center of gravity modifiers)
S2U not more then other racing sims with road cars...
Never played PGR myself but the effect does look very simulair in these vids ..
Graphics are nice indeed (just checked) game was released in 2009 so not that old.
PGR 3 & 4 are both Xbox 360 exclusive. developer Bizarre closed recently because racing games don't sell (according to craptivision, while GT, Forza and Shift (and PGR, Motorstorm and so on) combined sold like what 30 millions this generation?)
besides I don't see the wrong with a PGR-style game with physics.
1st is for people who want a fun racing game with cars. second is for people like me. combined it's a win win (of course Shift isn't perfect)
I don't see why this is different from what I say, but i'm not english, so I might express myself using wrong words or word that are sugects to different interpretation.
Your English is fine, and better than some who speak/write it natively. ;)
Here I agree with that optical effect, but add that on rF you can almost see a pivot more or less depending some mods. And I was talking seeing from outside, track camera view.
It has to do with the camera and most likely with the look to apex functionality. There is a "point" in space that the camera is focused on. This causes the car to make some adjustments without the camera making similar adjustments. In part, this is realistic behavior. The reason I bring that up is that when driving a car, your physical head isn't always reacting exactly in line with the vehicle. The problem here is that without head tracking, the point in space may not be "your" point in space that you are focused on which then creates a separation of the driver and the game. You don't find this in some other games as they don't simulate as much cockpit movement as S2U (i.e. iRacing does none of that). Therefore, their cameras are in direct relation to the car which IMO is not quite realistic.
I might be wrong but some drifts/skids definetely don't look right an they get catch up almost like magically.
Again, I think it's something built-in for the pads as the sensitivy is very low on a pad compared to a wheel.
This is a separate issue which has to do with the more relaxed slip angles of the tires. I'm sure it was intentional to allow the game to be more accessible to less than hardcore racers. Those are just some of the compromises we have to live with until the modding community is able to build the proper tools around the game (which seems to be coming along fairly quickly). :)
sorry :-) . didn't checked the uploaders name on youtube.
I agree. probably the only arcade game where it still feels a bit like driving a car (compared to full arcade games like Burnout, Sega Rally and so on) :thumbup:
Shift 1 in normal mode resembled it a bit (with grip and center of gravity modifiers)
S2U not more then other racing sims with road cars...Yeah the PGR games were brilliant at the time, spent copious amounts of hours with PGR4.
PGR2 aswell on the original Xbox was also superb. If you took them for what they were then you could have alot of fun!
Either way, that's PGR and this is SHIFT2, two very very different games and i can't stand this odd behaviour. If the new game is gonna continue with this camera i am out as i can not take it serious with all that OTT camera and pivot effect. This very behaviour is the main reason IMO it has not been accepted by the sim community and passed of as arcady, when really driving it on bumper the game suggests different but with too much grip. But the underlying physics IMO are solid
People can cover it up like everything else in SHIFT2 with excuses but it's not right and in no way is it realistic. It's like being at a fairground ride.
If the game was sold as a PGR type game like it is in that video, i would accept it but it was not sold as a PGR type game. The annoying thing is, it's fine in bumper cam, but that's not the point. I use cockpit cam on all sims
selfdiscarded
12 July 11, 18:56
I'd love to see selfsdiscarded's replay from the TV cam.
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Yeah the PGR games were brilliant at the time, spent copious amounts of hours with PGR4.
PGR2 aswell on the original Xbox was also superb. If you took them for what they were then you could have alot of fun!
Either way, that's PGR and this is SHIFT2, two very very different games and i can't stand this odd behaviour. If the new game is gonna continue with this camera i am out as i can not take it serious with all that OTT camera and pivot effect. This very behaviour is the main reason IMO it has not been accepted by the sim community and passed of as arcady, when really driving it on bumper the game suggests different but with too much grip. But the underlying physics IMO are solid
People can cover it up like everything else in SHIFT2 with excuses but it's not right and in no way is it realistic. It's like being at a fairground ride.
If the game was sold as a PGR type game like it is in that video, i would accept it but it was not sold as a PGR type game. The annoying thing is, it's fine in bumper cam, but that's not the point. I use cockpit cam on all sims
I understand your point of view.
there's just no racing sim with licenced road cars that does it better, and is also drivable with upgrades like those in S2U (I agree as I said for different reasons at some point and performance the cars should stop being tailhappy - except spinning or really forced power slides) .
I understand your point of view.
there's just no racing sim with licenced road cars that does it better, and is also drivable with upgrades like those in S2U (I agree as I said for different reasons at some point and performance the cars should stop being tailhappy - except spinning or really forced power slides) .Oh no doubt it's doing something right as i keep going back to it nightly. I don't really have issue with the physics to a point and am not worried with the new game as Ian has already explained as to why i think it feels like there are assists running in the backround.
But this car/cockpit behaviour is a worry too me and this pivot effect and i do worry that SMS and the community in general think it's right. We shall see. It won't be for me though if it does continue like this, not with RF2 just round the corner.
Do agree though, for real race bred cars, SHIFT2 is untouchable and it's ALOT of fun!
khildram
12 July 11, 19:42
It has to do with the camera and most likely with the look to apex functionality. There is a "point" in space that the camera is focused on. This causes the car to make some adjustments without the camera making similar adjustments. In part, this is realistic behavior. The reason I bring that up is that when driving a car, your physical head isn't always reacting exactly in line with the vehicle. The problem here is that without head tracking, the point in space may not be "your" point in space that you are focused on which then creates a separation of the driver and the game. You don't find this in some other games as they don't simulate as much cockpit movement as S2U (i.e. iRacing does none of that). Therefore, their cameras are in direct relation to the car which IMO is not quite realistic.
I agree with that, but the video that Scorz was talking first was on fixed cockpit view.
@Scorz I don't agree, Shift 2 does not look as bad as PGR... :-P
@selfdiscarded, Thanks for the second video. You've helped coming back to topic :-P
I now see really that that second corner pass also does not look really realistic from exterior and seems too much slidy. I don't think you could slide a Zonda like this.
Now seeing that additionnal view it seems the car is really fast to weight transfer from a left-right turn (or right-left). It looks like pivot on the replay here sometimes too.
What you guys think after seeing the same from outside the car ? You don't notice some times where it just seems to rotate abnormaly around an axis ?
btw selfdiscarded, pad or wheel ? driving aids or not ?
selfdiscarded
12 July 11, 20:03
360 controller, no assists except abs
khildram
12 July 11, 20:09
360 controller, no assists except abs
Yes that could explain the ability to change direction so fast also. With a wheel with FFB it's hard to change directions that fast.
Which might confirm the pad-type filtered input would have to be changed to be sticked to pad players and removed for wheel players.
OlivierMDVY
12 July 11, 20:39
That is 100% bang on what i'm talking about, i.e the pogo stick effect. It's nothing to do with the physics i have a gripe with but rather as shown in the original video i responded to the car behaviour looks very unatural and tbh just plain stupid.
Don't think it's FOV either as for me the cockpit FOV is perfect in SHIFT2 and miles better than the wider original SHIFT FOV
Regarding RF, i raced RF for a good 5 years and not once have i seen this odd cockpit effect that SHIFT2 has, not once and we raced many many mods.
I have never seen this effect in iRacing either and as said earlier SHIFT1 was the first time i saw this odd behaviour and now i am seeing it in SHIFT2.
It's the most odd effect i have ever seen in any race game and it totally reminds me of the PGR games. There is nothing we can do now though, but i really hope SMS change this effect for the new game as i am a cockpit player and i can not stand this effect, to the point i can no longer race like that.
I don't want to post in the new game thread as i don't want to sound like a broken record and been seen to be forever moaning about SHIFT2. But more and more lately i am noticing alot that i don't like and really hope they can change
What is the default FOV value in cockpit?
Because in Helmet View the value seems different, doesn't it?
Klazerman
12 July 11, 21:14
I don't have a problem with the pivot while driving, im in constant panic so theese small things tend to fade out from the experience :)
however ...
I think the camera in cockpit slightly shifts while turning the car in high speed .. just slighty. But that might increase the pivot feeling of the car?
I noticed that PGR has it a lot more than Shift 2..
dunno. Just a thought.
Klazerman
12 July 11, 21:21
Damn .. That night run on Nords is absolutely sick! .. you are seriously talanted Selfdiscarded!
What is the default FOV value in cockpit?
Because in Helmet View the value seems different, doesn't it?I'm not sure tbh but yes they are different
I don't have a problem with the pivot while driving, im in constant panic so theese small things tend to fade out from the experience :)
however ...
I think the camera in cockpit slightly shifts while turning the car in high speed .. just slighty. But that might increase the pivot feeling of the car?
I noticed that PGR has it a lot more than Shift 2..
dunno. Just a thought.When i'm comparing to PGR, i'm not comparing like for like. It's clear PGR is way more excessive but it's the same horrible effect but just on a smaller scale.
selfdiscarded video looks like Gymkhana on the Nords resulting in a fastest lap.
That can't be right.
Have you ever seen GT cars driving rally style around the circuit and beeing fast at the same time? There is definitaly something wrong in Shift. And this is one of the things that turned me away.
selfdiscarded video looks like Gymkhana on the Nords resulting in a fastest lap.
That can't be right.
Have you ever seen GT cars driving rally style around the circuit and beeing fast at the same time? There is definitaly something wrong in Shift. And this is one of the things that turned me away.
the first wrong is it isn't a GT car :-)
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