Shift 2 drifting; a fine art

[Bongomaster]

Okay, after some perserverence, I've finally gotten the hang of drifting in Shift 2.

At first, like most people, I found it extraordinarily difficult and I must say the learning curve is very steep. I remember thinking the Millenium Drift (second drift circuit in the game) would be impossible to get over 1000 points. But now it looks quite achievable. I'm getting first position very frequently now.

Maybe they should have included some more useful tips during the "grass roots" or lowered the points threshold of the first few events a bit so as not to turn players away after a few frustrated attempts.



It takes practice, but the best advice I could give is:

1) GET YOUR SPEED UP AND TAKE AS WIDE AN ARC AS POSSIBLE. JUST LIKE WHEN RACING, USE AS MUCH OF THE ROAD AS POSSIBLE. SO BASICALLY BE CONFIDENT AND TAKE THE BIG SWEEPERS IN 3RD OR EVEN 4TH GEAR. Compare yourself to the intro videos, if your drifts aren't that fast or wide, you're not doing it right.

2) To avoid having your tyres burst, follow the above advice. Slow drifts burn up your tyres very quickly. I say again, keep your speed up and be confident.
2b) If your tyres are still bursting, be careful of your angle. Large angles burn your tyres up. If you have enough speed, you don't have to be totally sideways. In fact, there is a point before your tyres start squealing madly that you start to slide and rack up points. KEEP A CAREFUL EYE ON YOUR POINTS TO FIND THIS POINT. You won't be making as much noise and it won't look as spectacular, but your tyres won't burst.

3) Use a fairly low-powered car. I found the M3 E46 to be quite good. Do NOT use the NFS RX-8 unless you're crazy. Try a number of cars and find what's best for you.

4) Don't flick into a drift (nor use the handbrake as Vaughn says) , enter the drift gradually with speed. You should have plenty of control through the throttle and steering for the open drift tracks and you should only need the handbrake (or e-brake) for tight hairpins like on the Horsethief Mile.

5) Once you are in the drift, the best advice I can give is to smoothly pull back to near opposite lock and keep at half-throttle. You shouldn't have to vary your input much on the throttle or wheel (remember this was designed to work on console controllers). Just use a minor amount (like a few degrees) of rapid back and forth on the wheel. Throttle variation should be even more subtle, if any.

Many people below are saying you can play with the tuning to make drifting easier, and another biggie is steering wheel setup. I'm not going to recommend any settings, because what's best for me isn't necessarily best for you. You just have to adjust them yourself. I personally couldn't be bothered messing around with settings, so I just tried finding a good car (M3 E46 for me)


Good luck, and be persistant. It is very satisfying when you pull it off and looks great in replays.

[kilevvri1]

Biggest problem i see is that you blow tires even when damage is set to off. It just makes it annoying to be practicing your drifting and have to restart every 1-2 minutes. Yeah, and the crappy instructions of VGJr don't help you.

[odie forever]

I had practised for hours with my wheel and got half of the points you need. But with the 360pad it's possible. I have about 10 times more points now.

1) GET YOUR SPEED UP

This can't be said enough. I'm using a slightly tuned 350Z only in third gear. When possible, I only start the drifts while I'm in the limiter.

I never lost a tyre in Miami or Londeon, but in the training levels in the career. Maybe there's a difference :?

[SonnyXT]

3) Use a fairly low-powered car. Best to stick with the Drift Alliance 240SX or I found the M3 E46 to be quite good also. Do NOT use the NFS RX-8 unless you're crazy.


So....I'm crazy....Thanks!
Im acing all the events with the RX-8 and no burst tire yet :laugh:

[Bongomaster]

Nice work, I was all over the place with that RX-8.

will add a note 2b) to the first post, in case your tyres are still bursting.

[lt8080]

heres a video of me drifting a 370z at london for around 2800 points, it had the replacement v8 engine and all upgrades except works. had to use a 360 controller to be any good at it, wheel was impossible.

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[Conath]

With pad you get assist that helps you not to spin.

[klogar]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9Xiw42oRuo

had to replace my wheel with keyboard to do it, anyway this was my 1st drift in shift 2 :P

[aaltomar]

GRID was very fun to drift with a wheel. My biggest gripe with GRID is that it's too fast paced. You accelerate like twice the normal and I've been looking a mod that would make it more of a sim but alas none that I could find.

In SHIFT2 drifting feels like a gimmick, I don't want to use a gamepad (I don't even own one).

[mfxfgr]

TNFS FC is so easy being tire burst~
Need setting~

[logimen]

With my stock E36 I can easily drift 2 laps on london with about 1500 point or more I dont remember exactly without bursting my tyres and using DFP wheel :-)

For the first time I was frustrated. IMHO this won SX240 is shit in drift. Every turn I spin out in this car. E36 is much much better, only gearbox is too tall.

[Miths111]

Has anyone managed to drift with Juls minimod installed, and using a wheel (I have a G25)?
It quite literally took me around 20 minutes - and probably 30+ hits of the car reset button - to get the measly 200 points you need to complete that first drifting tutorial, and I quit the second in rage after a disastrous first ten minutes :).

I don't really care if I have to skip the drifting events, it's not really a kind of "racing" I've ever been interested in, but I figured it might perhaps be fun to try anyway. So far it definitely hasn't been :).

[Altarir]

I currently installed the dll from the minimod - my V10 E36 stopped being drivable, but the DA 240SX started being quite managable - I can win competitions. I use a Logitech Formula Force EX

I start drifting gently, in 4th (sometimes 3rd gear) - it usually works. I only use the handbrake when the front starts to straighten up.

After hours of swearing, I'm beginning to actually like drifting in this game - at least it's challenging unlike in Shift 1

[brrupsz]

Drift mode is probably using different grip and CG levels like in Shift1. Since physicstweak is coded in S2U there is no way to change or turn off "addons" in drift mode (like PTMv2 did for shift1). Juls minimod have stiffer tyres so it will be hard to drift with it. FFB sucks in drift mode too so drifting in S2U with wheel = pain in the ass.

[Kazumi]

it's definatley not more grip on front and 70% on rear. so this time maybe you get more real drift angles. also means that quick reactions work out accordingly... like in the other thread (man i don't find anything, there are too many threads :sleep: ) discussed maybe try around with wheel lock a bit.

i still don't like it that much, but hey, if i would like it in a game it would be unrealistic ;)

i guess people who spin too easy don't like the weigth distribution of front engine cars. of course that makes a problem under that extreme situation like ice/snow or having massive wheelspin and rev the engine to the max in 2nd/3rd gear. (not that mid-engine helps overall in competitive drifting :sleep: )

[klogar]

TNFS FC is so easy being tire burst~
Need setting~

Using default setting is ok for me , also try using stock falken mustang rtr-x (its the old classic mustang with green bits)

[Big Ron]

With pad you get assist that helps you not to spin.

That´s wrong. You can turn all aids off even with pad and spinning comes very fast. The trick is the better and faster steering as with steering wheel.

[turbo86]

I've been practicing drifting since yesterday and finaly today i can drift in almost any track with almost every RWD car.

Anyway, the advices i can give are:
1:Tune you car so that you can actually drive it. The stock settings are trully horrible, the cars are too sensitive and snappy.
I recommend a low stance with hard springs, but with relatively medium or soft bump/rebound setups. It will make the car more controllable.
Short gear ratio so that you revs dont drop much after a change and your speed won't skyrocket. This way you will be able to drift most tracks using only 3rd and 4th at almost full throttle.
These are the 2 most important,anything else is up to you.

2: Try to drift with blown rear tyres. I know it may seems stupid but i couldnt drift until i did about 14 laps without rear tyres. After that i tried with good tyres it was a piece of cake.

[Bongomaster]

I've just turned my wheel friction and damping off, and while racing is fantastic now (I can feel every bump), the wheel is really loose while drifting, making it much more likely to spin out.

I really think having friction and damping in the wheel helps to drift because it deadens your inputs a bit. Not so good for racing though, so I'm trying to get good at drifting (AGAIN...) with this new 'loose' wheel setup.

[Vaselkov]

FFB off, Throttle sensitivity 5%, Steering sensitivity 50%. No mods, just use old dinput8.dll from juls. Thats it, drift is easy now. Never thought I would say that when I tried to drift first time lol. :-)

[logikwolf]

The first stage of drift with the DA Nissan, how is it possible that the car spins out on 5th gear just starting up? It's so unrealistic.

[logimen]

I got my E36 tuned to 301hp and tyres level2. This way I have enough power and pretty good control cuz of better tyres grip. Now its quite good for drifting on almost all tracks but I cant do a good drift on Miami. I hate this track.

[JKDC]

I went with a 370Z with shortened gears and lsd all the way. Drifting at redline in 3rd is easy. It is much easier than the 240sx. Mess with upgrades and tuning. Get a big turbo instead of weight reduction and body kit etc.

[Antila]

The E36 is imo the best drifter with the minimod. uploading vid atm.

[6UNN]

PEOPLE! :lol
can some1 upload a save game file, just after drift(hate it!) championship? -plz
if im not mistaken there is just1 championship...am i right?

edit:
u can send it to my email if u want - murderist.extraordinaire@gmail.com

PS. preferably with 100% win ratio ;) - am i asking 2much? :lol

thkz in advance, sincerely,
me.

[Brixxlnator]

I found my own way of drifting and winning. But its a very strange way... at least it worked for me :D Im causing a crash in order to loose one of my rear wheels. After that the car goes sideways all the time if you accelerate and still is very easy to control. You can actually control the car with the acc-padel. :D

[Chalkman]

Finding it incredibly challenging and difficult, but finally achieved a 2nd place (on hard) at Tokyo docks. They seem very stingy with the points :D

Bongomaster, your tips seem spot on. Still learning and finding that seat time and tuning/tweaking are the way to go. There are no shortcuts. Another thing i've been learning is that if you edit your control cfg it seems to reset your car setup? I've found on several occasions my setups have gone missing after editing things.

[logimen]

My drift Setup for E36

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oerir3JpUAY

Why my movie doesnt show ? :/ help

[boyd747]

[Replay Video]
Nissan Silvia spac.R AERO (S15)
Location : Circuit de Spa Francorchamps
NO Handling MOD , Elite Mode , 360 Pad
:
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[kennyken]

Sick driving mang. I can't get the hang of it lol i barely managed to get passed the training level in the S13 lol. Just part of the carreer mode i'll leave out haha.

[Jonzy]

I wish there was more intensive instruction of how to do it right. Maybe the lack of instruction were to the fact that VGJr was afraid to reveal too much of his secrets :p

I barely making points and I've made the mistake of going through the Tutorial, I can't access it anymore :(

[sgtskid]

well I still say that the lack of controller access is the reason alot of people are having a problem. it is funny how they will give you the ablity to set up the clutch but not give the G-25 and 27 users the access of the 6 speed shifters they paid for. I find it easier to drive with a clutch and shifter

[Jonzy]

what do you mean? I don't want to sound ignorant but I have a G27 and I can use my 6 gears on my gearbox?

[sgtskid]

okay jonzy i have an idea for you. I just used the nissan skyline gtr 34. did 75% better

[EagleJohn]

well I still say that the lack of controller access is the reason alot of people are having a problem. it is funny how they will give you the ablity to set up the clutch but not give the G-25 and 27 users the access of the 6 speed shifters they paid for. I find it easier to drive with a clutch and shifter

I don't know what you're talking about, the H-shifter and clutch works just fine on both of those wheels. :?:

[Jonzy]

make sure in the predefined profiles selector you selected the proper wheel. I had an issue with the buttons the other days only to realized I was using G25 profiles instead of the G27. I must not have paid attention since the picture of the wheel is very similar.

And make also sure you have the latest logitech drivers/profiler software.

[redi]

I just had a go at the drifting lessons. Of course I passed them in the end, but I find drifting with the wheel impossible. Either the car snaps out of the drift within 2 seconds, or the car spins. I get no feeling of what I need to do to maintain a drift. A little sideways is okay, but doing a 180 degree turn drifting is simply impossible, the car always spins.

[Jonzy]

Maybe tighten the wheel lock on drift mode?

[redi]

I did, set it to 80%. Smaller values make steering too twitchy. Steering is not the problem, though, it's knowing what the car does and anticipating. When I react to what I see it's already too late.

[Chalkman]

One thing I did Redi, is seriously limit my throttle usage. Once the car starts to drift, back off to around 1/3 throttle and hold it there and -slowly- very slowly, start going up towards around halfway. Once the car is there and drifting nicely just hold the throttle at that spot and do not add more, until the car starts to straighten. Also make sure you got plenty of speed, there are plenty of times in the drift races where you will want to be in 3rd or even 4th gear entering the drift. Give it a try. It takes (at least for me) a LOT of practice, but you'll start getting the hang of it sooner or later.

[Vaselkov]

A little sideways is okay, but doing a 180 degree turn drifting is simply impossible, the car always spins.I thought the same when I started to learning drift in this game. And now I think that drift is not so hard. You need get used to the drift in this game. Also you need right wheel setup. I was playing with Throttle Sensitivity 50% and that was wrong, when I tried 0-10% then it was different thing. Also some mods (like minimod) causes harder to drift. And if you have wheel lag in game, drift would be very hard.

[redi]

I thought the same when I started to learning drift in this game. And now I think that drift is not so hard. You need get used to the drift in this game. Also you need right wheel setup. I was playing with Throttle Sensitivity 50% and that was wrong, when I tried 0-10% then it was different thing. Also some mods (like minimod) causes harder to drift. And if you have wheel lag in game, drift would be very hard.
I was thinking about that as well, because the only reason I could think of what I was doing wrong and what could cause the constant spinning was throttle control :thumbup:

The funny thing is that drifting in the normal, non-drift cars in the game seems much easier :mrgreen:

[logimen]

Try drifting in R32 with Visco all the way to the right :) Sooo much fun :)

[MaddmattH]

Rear tyres heat up and wear while drifting which makes it even harder. Just something to look out for. You can see it in the telemetry.

[Altarir]

Just stop once in a while and let them cool down, thankfully there are no time limits for drift events

[mroussev]

I find the best drift car-nisan silvia s15 from LE.I try 4-5 other cars but for Ebisu tricks only with "her" i manage to get full points.

[sgtskid]

logimen, I tried to use the skyline gtr34 but with it being an AWD cr you cant drift with it in careermode only in quick race

[logimen]

logimen, I tried to use the skyline gtr34 but with it being an AWD cr you cant drift with it in careermode only in quick race

Ohh. I dont knew about this :|

For me, all nissans are extreme difficult to drift in this game, sama as AE86. Every turn I spin out. Only in my E36 I can do a pretty good drift. Must practice more but I dont have too much time cuz of work :/

[sgtskid]

Ohh. I dont knew about this :|

For me, all nissans are extreme difficult to drift in this game, sama as AE86. Every turn I spin out. Only in my E36 I can do a pretty good drift. Must practice more but I dont have too much time cuz of work :/

i feel you there. bills and kids are expensive

[xsever]

Drifting with a PS3 controller on PC is much more realistic than my wheel!

That should be patched up since a wheel should provide more control and finesse.

[mroussev]

Problem with drift is that even with all assist off game still interfere in control(auto steer) and i suggest this is much coinfusing with steering wheel.With gamepad its not so noticeable but still a problem according to me.I very much want to see drift with absolutely no assist on.

[CellFraction]

Greetings..

I'm doing quite well with my steering wheel... Using Momo Racing wheel
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[_machine]

Greetings..

I'm doing quite well with my steering wheel... Using Momo Racing wheel

What settings are you using for the wheel?

[Bongomaster]

Wow, very good for a wheel. I thought I was drifting okay, but I still can't get enough points to even place in the second drift event (the 2-part series).

You need to average about 700pts per lap of Millenium and my best is about 500pts per lap, but I can't even do that consistently. About how many points do you get for a lap like in that vid?

Any tips?



mroussev,
Did you know that you can turn off speed-steering for drifting in options? It's default set to 60%, but you can turn it off. I've tried it but I spin out all the time because I guess I'm not moving the wheel fast enough.

[CellFraction]

What settings are you using for the wheel?

Here's a few pic's of the settings I used [need 7-zip to extract]
http://www.quickshare.co.za/files/vhhtwpyu/Settings.7z.html

@Bongomaster

I actually scored more with my Shelby GT500 1010pts, but I banged the wall a bit so I upped the 1 that looked better:-P My score with the challenger was about 970ish... With the Challenger I mainly use Throttle to start a drift, never any handbrake, 1st corner I go around in 3rd gear at about 5500-7000 rpm, and just countersteer it. Entering speeds about 110kmh [70mph], then after 4th turn I go into 2nd gear and just give it some beans lol.. Avrg pts about 900 atm..

[Hdale85]

My main problem seems to be that as soon as I start drifting no matter how little or how much throttle I put in it's always a spin out. I am going to try soon here as I get my cockpit finished probably Monday or Tuesday, and adjust the throttle sensitivity and what not and see if I can get it working.

[Vaselkov]

I think I am doing well too, like CellFraction. And I am also using MOMO Racing. :-) But I use very different car.
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With 1 lap drift I get almost same points as CellFraction. :-)

http://imgf.tw/940287343.png (http://imgf.tw/940287343.png)

My drift car setup:
(only changes from default values/stock parts)
http://imgf.tw/549786776t.jpg (http://imgf.tw/549786776.jpg)

Wheel in game setup:
http://imgf.tw/585313583t.jpg (http://imgf.tw/585313583.jpg)

Logitech profiler setup:
http://imgf.tw/511703051t.png (http://imgf.tw/511703051.png)

Maybe this will help somebody, good luck! :thumbup:

[CellFraction]

@ Vaselkov

How did you turn off that annoying background music? BTW nice drift, I upped my drifting a bit too..

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[Vaselkov]

CellFraction, thanks. In Options -> Audio/Video -> Audio -> Music off. But you will lose music in menu too.

[CellFraction]

CellFraction, thanks. In Options -> Audio/Video -> Audio -> Music off. But you will lose music in menu too.

Weird I did that and it won't...:thumbdown:

[Vaselkov]

In my audio options: Speech and Music is off. So maybe try turn off speech.
If that won't work then maybe my game was bugged. :| I will check later if that was bug or not. :-)

[sgtskid]

My main problem seems to be that as soon as I start drifting no matter how little or how much throttle I put in it's always a spin out. I am going to try soon here as I get my cockpit finished probably Monday or Tuesday, and adjust the throttle sensitivity and what not and see if I can get it working.

I have the same problem. but it is when I am using rwd cars.if I use a 4WD car in quick it works great no spin and I get 400 plus points at miami. but I cant use those cars in career. my best in quick was a 455 with a skyline GTR R34

[CellFraction]

@Vaselkov

Was a Bug:angry:, had to exit game for it to take effect.. lame but atleast no music anymore:mrgreen:..

Anyhow I just crushed my Challenger with the Skyline GT-R [R34].. That thing is sick:thumbup:.. You can do Ken Block Gymkhana 3.2 Style stuff with it, it has so much control once you learned the car it's crazy...

[EagleJohn]

Problem with drift is that even with all assist off game still interfere in control(auto steer) and i suggest this is much coinfusing with steering wheel.With gamepad its not so noticeable but still a problem according to me.I very much want to see drift with absolutely no assist on.

If you're using a wheel you won't get auto-countersteer.

[mroussev]

I am not so sure...I try to load some wheel profile and there is no differences.Game still steer my car.Maybe game actually find again that i use gamepad and turn on that assist but i realy doubt it about that.Are you using wheel?Can you confirm that really that game did not interfere in any way with steer?

[CellFraction]

Drifting with Skyline..

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[EagleJohn]

I am not so sure...I try to load some wheel profile and there is no differences.Game still steer my car.Maybe game actually find again that i use gamepad and turn on that assist but i realy doubt it about that.Are you using wheel?Can you confirm that really that game did not interfere in any way with steer?

I'm using a G27, with the G27 separate pedals profile ingame, and the game doesn't do any counter-steer when I'm drifting.

I also read somewhere in the official FAQ about this and they said only gamepads (don't know about keyboards) get auto-countersteer to compensate for not having FFB like a wheel.

Have you tried using the custom wheel profile to see if it makes a difference to you?

[mroussev]

I tried all-custom gamepad,custom wheel,few ot ready wheel profiles but with all i have assist on...Damn its so lame that way,drift is very easy.As you say that you read that in ifficial FAQ i dont see any way to fix this...

[madworm]

@cellfraction & vaselkov: can you pls pls make a drift tutorial? Also using momo racing here.

[Vaselkov]

madworm, I probably could do a video tutorial, but now I really don't have much time, because I am working on my LEXUS LFA (TOP GEAR edition) REVIEW video. Now I just can give advice:

1) Don't use mods like minimod or PTMu.
2) Use dinput8.dll to remove wheel lag (I use old dinput8.dll from SHIFT 1, works way better for me than new one).
3) Lower Throttle sensitivity to 5-20%
4) Watch again all 3 movies about Vaughn Gittin Jr. drifting tips (worked for me).
5) I prefer don't use FFB when drifting (very light wheel), maybe try that?

[CellFraction]

@cellfraction & vaselkov: can you pls pls make a drift tutorial? Also using momo racing here.

Here's my settings:Momo Racing Settings (http://www.quickshare.co.za/files/vhhtwpyu/Settings.7z.html)

My settings also make use of the dinput8.dll and overwrite of the ControllerDefaults in game dir [just make a backup of those]

I'll maybe up a vid later of my rev's. In a car like the Challenger R/T 5500-7000rpm in the work's conversion car seems to be the range for london millenium, in 3rd gear, 2nd gear for tighter corners [didn't tweak the cars settings, all standard after upgrade]

Here's a clip of my Lancia Delta, just to show you my corner entries... Btw I was clowning around a bit here:-P You don't get point's for that Ken Block hairpin type stuff tho..
r0aJeG-sVSY

[hansip87]

Here's my settings:Momo Racing Settings (http://www.quickshare.co.za/files/vhhtwpyu/Settings.7z.html)

My settings also make use of the dinput8.dll and overwrite of the ControllerDefaults in game dir [just make a backup of those]

I'll maybe up a vid later of my rev's. In a car like the Challenger R/T 5500-7000rpm in the work's conversion car seems to be the range for london millenium, in 3rd gear, 2nd gear for tighter corners [didn't tweak the cars settings, all standard after upgrade]

Here's a clip of my Lancia Delta, just to show you my corner entries... Btw I was clowning around a bit here:-P You don't get point's for that Ken Block hairpin type stuff tho..
r0aJeG-sVSY

Nice drifting there.. :thumbup:

But for me, i gave up on DFGT.. :( and i chose to use my ol' xbox 360 controller, JUST FOR DRIFT. all is 'good' then.. :thumbdown:

[CellFraction]

My friend can only drift with his xbox remote and the Dodge charger.. lol it's so diffrent for each player, imo the only reason most struggle with wheel is throttle sensitivity, with low HP cars you need more throttle, with high HP cars about none 1/10th to 4/10th's throttle [dipending on sensitivity of cars rev's and your throttle pedal]. Low HP cars tend to use Handbrake to start a drift which I can't do.

[CellFraction]

I've been clowning around and this is how you drift with a FWD car and handbrake on permanently:-P

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[Bongomaster]

Haha, that's pretty awesome man. :)

[Jappse]

What camera mode do you drift in? I find it very hard doing it 1person

[Hdale85]

Man those back tires would have a major flat spot lol.


I tried again the other night as I got my cockpit put together. I struggled through the training courses and just spent tons of time getting the points I need. Now that I can drift with any car it's still crazy hard and I just can't seem to get anything to work.

[CellFraction]

Haha I was thinking that half of the rim should be gone after that drift.:-P

@jappse I use the hood cam, on old shift I use to sit in the car but this one just moves around so much I get dizzy.

What annoys me the most with shift 2 is that you can do that FWD handbrake drift thing and score more points with that than with a proper RWD car. My current best car on that track is a Work's Audi RS4. I just couldn't let the MK1 be my top car.. It's just wrong..

[freedompro]

Hi People

Could anyone post a good setup tuning for DRIFTING stages. I got Nissan 200SX, Ford Shelby GT500 and Toyota Supra.

I am driving with all assists on including the Minimod by Juls installed.

The car keeps spinning and am afraid to turn all assists OFF so some good advice will be helpful.

cheers
Rob
Sleep, Eat, Shift

[IHSAHN]

@freedompro
it's not good idea drifting with minimod.
minimod gains tire grip and something that is not suits drift.

[freedompro]

@freedompro
it's not good idea drifting with minimod.
minimod gains tire grip and something that is not suits drift.

I see so can anyone explain to me what i should do because if i take off the minimod the game will become unplayable. anyone HELPPPPPPPPPPP

[EagleJohn]

I see so can anyone explain to me what i should do because if i take off the minimod the game will become unplayable. anyone HELPPPPPPPPPPP

Of course the game won't be playable anymore if you just delete the mod.
You should have made a backup of the original files before installing the mod.

Since you don't have one, you're probably gonna have to reinstall the game or ask someone else to upload the originals.

[freedompro]

Of course the game won't be playable anymore if you just delete the mod.
You should have made a backup of the original files before installing the mod.

Since you don't have one, you're probably gonna have to reinstall the game or ask someone else to upload the originals.

Darn yes you are right infact i dont have the originals. Can please somebody upload them so i can work in drifting i have been trying everything but no luck

[H3ll$pawn]

I can perfectly drift with any FWD-front engine car.
I cannot however drift wih any RWD car, soon as I turn my G25 wheel, I spin out.I don't even have the time to countersteer.It's, for a lack of a better word, nuts.
I'm trying to hold the accel in between, but that doen't even help.
I'm spinning in every gear possible.
I'm gonna look up all my settings and post them here, maybe any of you guys can help me out figuring out what i'm doing wrong.
Here are my settings:

http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n586/Yvezzke/gaming-mods/SHIFT%202%20Settings/th_controls.jpg (http://s1141.photobucket.com/albums/n586/Yvezzke/gaming-mods/SHIFT%202%20Settings/?action=view&current=controls.jpg)

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[H3ll$pawn]

Tried a lightly upgraded M4 E46.
Track was Miami park drift.
Using Mini-mod 0.4 with Juls Profiler settings.

No solution what-so-ever, tried various gameplay settings, various advanced settings.
As soon as I hit the accel, the car spins round and round, no matter what gear i'm in.
It's so ridiculous, this can't be the dev's intention.
what am I doing wrong?

[EagleJohn]

what am I doing wrong?

Using the minimod, and probably assuming that drifting with a wheel in this game will be easy.

You have to be very careful on the throttle (lower sensitivity might help) and practice a lot if you want to get it right.

[H3ll$pawn]

Didn't assume that drifting would be like in GRID, offcourse.
But not like this either, I've practiced a whole day now, in the end I used my wireless XBOX360 pad.With this peripheral I can drift moderatly, but still end up a lot spinning.

I'll try tommorow without minimod, just with the dll and lower various sensitivity settings.

[motkany]

Tried a lightly upgraded M4 E46.
Track was Miami park drift.
Using Mini-mod 0.4 with Juls Profiler settings.

No solution what-so-ever, tried various gameplay settings, various advanced settings.
As soon as I hit the accel, the car spins round and round, no matter what gear i'm in.
It's so ridiculous, this can't be the dev's intention.
what am I doing wrong?

Same problem here... with Thrustmaster F430.

[Jonzy]

For wheel users, I never drifted IRL. Does real life wheeling and pedaling techniques can apply in this game? Does any youtube tutorials can help?

[Kazumi]

well, that's a good question. one thing both got in common, forget anything you learned about grip driving :-)

for my taste some cars are to drift happy. but that's not unusual if you have a car that's set-up for competitive drifting, where you need a high angle drift in every corner.

[Jonzy]

Yeah I tried to tune the cars for less grip but it really hard. As soon I twitch the wheel the car just spin out and I don't have time to counter steer. I was looking on youtube a bunch of japanese drifting technique and it seems very complex, I just understand why using the clutch, and I tried to push the gas and brake with one foot and with the g27 it really damn hard since they have different tension. I rather know what I'm doing before investing time trying to learn on my own which seems a waste of time.

[dj paragon]

Hi guys !


This is quite an interesting thread. I'm actually enjoying drifting more than in Shift.

Here is a few sequences of replays using a couple of different cars and tracks. Playing with a 360 pad for Windows :

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[Bongomaster]

For the record, drifting is significantly easier with the patch. I can achieve 1st position in any event now (not too easily though) using my wheel with 540degrees rotation.

To reinforce what I think is the key to drifting (and not bursting your tyres), perform gradual drifts. Ease into the slide so that you can just see smoke coming off your tyres. If your tyres are roaring, they're going to burst more quickly. I can barely hear my tyres squeal most of the time and that gets me through.

[thedecimater]

I use a wheel ( logitech momo ) as I do not have a joypad for the pc, I had a lot of trouble when I first started drifting in shift 2, I tried the mini mod+ the input dll and still had trouble, even to the point where i gave up completely.

since the patch with no mini mod and or dll, driftting is much easier.

I think the issue ofr a lot of people is the fact that the sence of sideways slide movement is not the same as other games, both isi based and codies based sideways yaw effect is very different to the one in shift 2.


My tips are as follows:

drive with cockpit or bonnet/hood view,build up some speed take it easy into the curve in 3rd or 4th gear .. and watch the score counter, as soon as it starts to tick over score hold your foot in place and hold the slide with small adustments on the wheel.

Just dont throw if full on sideways and dont have your foot pinned to the floor, its not how sideways you are that gets you big scores, its how long hold the drift and how fast you are going while drifting.

for momo users.. I found that setting the steering sensitivity in game to 25-30% helps heaps, i also found by dropping the lock for drifting to about 170 it was much easier to hold slides.

my settings for the momo are as follows
( no mods at all this is for 100% stock game with the 1.01 patch)

Overall Effects Strength: 100%
Spring Effects Strength: 80%
Damper Effects Strength 65%

Centerspring off

in game settings

FFB 100%
steering senstivity 30%
steering deadzone 0%

drift lock 170

hope this helps

one more thing map a button or key to cycle the hud, there is a great hud that shows tyre temps, if they are getting red hot then you are pushing it too hard

[H3ll$pawn]

Hooked up my old MOMO racing wheel, and used Cellfraction's exact settings.

The low powered Honda S2000 spins the moment I turn the car into the corner, no matter what gear.
I simply do not have the time to countersteer.If I turn too little the car goes trough the corner as if it were on a regular racing track.
I tried to completely losen the throttle as soon as the car goes sideways, but I still end up spinning.
Tried iniciating the drift trough te means of a quick tap on the brake, still spinning.

Afterwards, I tried a low-powered Guiletta.

Drifting is farely easy because off the weight off the engine coming down on the car's transaxle soon as I engine-brake.
Crashed into a wall, lost my spoiler.
At this point the car behaves like a RWD, spinning as soon as try to iniate a drift.

My feeling tell's me the RWD cars simply lack downforce or weight in the back.
Hell, I can even drift better with the reventon police car(4WD), then with a slowpoke stock S2000.
Where's the sense in that?

Sad it before, it's a GAME, not a drifting exam or virtual school.

[thedecimater]

I just got all the way through the drift events with the above seetings, using the 240sx that i got from doing the tutorials.. did not need to use any other car, if the back end is stepping out its quit simple.. too much gas most of the time even when getting up to speed my pedal is only abou 20% down.. never flat to thr floor, you can just hold it in one position and the car will drift, like i said in my previous post the car does have to be fully sideways.

If you are having issues, just drive the car through any corner at a 1/2 decent speed it will start to drift try and hold it. then watch the replay at the end of the run, you little drift that you did by just driving through the corner was prolly about a 20Deg angle, if it goes past 45deg you will loop it. have a look at any of the videos that guys have been posting. not many of the drifts if any are over 30-35 deg, they are big long gentle drifts..

[Kazumi]

My feeling tell's me the RWD cars simply lack downforce or weight in the back.
Hell, I can even drift better with the reventon police car(4WD), then with a slowpoke stock S2000.
Where's the sense in that?

Sad it before, it's a GAME, not a drifting exam or virtual school.
it's not a game it's the parameters of the cars :ohmy:

eg the S2000 already in racing isn't the most stable car (in both S1 and S2)

then you can also play with set-up, negative camber, stiffer swaybars - basically what would give you understeer (it's weird but normally you can get understeer in a drift-prepared car in some situations as far as i know, then (as the drift tutorial says) you had to use the ebrake to avoid driving into a wall)

2. i dunno but some drift cars actually use rear wings and downforce :?: try it with one of the bodykits - can't hurt...

3. i agree placing stuff in the trunk should be an upgrade option :der:

[thedecimater]

I suggest you keep trying, I tried drifting a stock s2000 and did not have any real issues other than the fact it was under powered and thus drop revs rather quickly which makes it hard to sustain the drift as you have to apply more power.

I have tried drifting multiple cars since the patch and it is much easier now that it was, I even tired drifting a gt3 race car and had no problems.

The trick is be gentle, on both the steering and power. For way to long most of us have been getting way to used to the foot flat on the floor, and hang on for dear life, you cant do that with the drifting in shift 2.

Once you get the hang of it ( it does take time and lots of practice) you will find it very easy, to hold big long drifts. I spent 2 days just drifting and now i have it down pat

the only things i change on the setups for the cars now is in simple mode change the steering to max, and change the gearing to accel , and have max front downforce with 40-50% rear, you dont have to go 300kms an hour, you just have to be able to hold drifts at 100kms +.

if you go to fast your reaction time has to be faster which means more chance of makeing mistakes.

I used to not be able to even get 300 points for a lap of the london course, now getting 1000 per lap is easy.. just dont give up and you will get it.

on the funny side of things, last night I had a mate that fired up a dirt 2 jam session, I actually found that wih all the practice i had done with the drifting in shift 2 i was faster in dirt 2 as I did not care so much when the back end started to slide and hence did not correct as much.

Practice makes perfect :)

[Headsoup]

Drifting isn't usually my thing, but I gave it a go the other night.

Very difficult, but I found that being very light on the throttle while entering the slide, then adding a bit more once sliding helped.
But the biggest thing I found helped was keeping the tires at a decent temp! Which I think is what makes it so hard because after about 20 seconds of drifting they're red hot and lose a lot of grip. If I let them cool down again (telemetry) I can then do decent drifts again.
I wish the tyres wouldn't wear out so quickly, it would make drifting a lot more fun.

[EagleJohn]

I use a wheel ( logitech momo ) as I do not have a joypad for the pc, I had a lot of trouble when I first started drifting in shift 2, I tried the mini mod+ the input dll and still had trouble, even to the point where i gave up completely.

since the patch with no mini mod and or dll, driftting is much easier.


That's no surprise, since minimod messed up drifting because it caused the tires to have more grip.

[H3ll$pawn]

That's no surprise, since minimod messed up drifting because it caused the tires to have more grip.

I have the issue I described earlier, with ANY version, stock, stock with minimod, stock with patch 1.
It's not the mod, it's the game itself.

[thedecimater]

I am sorry but there is nothing wrong with the s2000 or the game as far as I am concerned, in the quick video below is a stock s2000 and as you can see you can drift it, like i said in my previous post its not easy as its a bit under powered and I am no drifting expert.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVXxZYs_O98


you just need to practice and be gentle on both the power and steering:-P

[bakpao8900]

this is my 1st video and I'm just have a keyboard and I tried some drifts
this is my drift using 240sx. I think this car is easy to handle for amateur like me :laugh: WJgn_o_08DE
Still suck LOL

[Aldarris]

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Took the S15 around Suzuka South for some high speed entry action. Very satisfied with the way the slow motion bit captured my hand breaking. Bit of Ebisu Minami action too.

I do indeed like Itasha styling D:

[gears]

I can't seem to drift any RWD cars???

Give me a FWD and I can drift the whole course and rack up tons of points. It's really fun! But I can't seem to drift at all with RWD cars. I just spin out every time.

Any tips? I'm using a wheel btw.

[kligson]

I've been trying for days and yesterday i finally managed to perform some drifts... The force input from the wheel is very light, so it helps a great deal if you hold the wheel very very lightly (try holding it with one hand as well). This way you'll be able to feel the wheel tugging you towards counter-steering. With a tighter grip it's very hard to feel it and notice you're actually in a drifting angle already.

All of you probably know this, but:
Those red-white markings on the road are the route to follow. Use the non-marked bits to either accelerate or down-shift for tighter corners. Don't try accelerating or decelerating while you're sliding. You need to have the proper speed when entering the slide (knowing the course well helps very much in this regard)

[Kaerar]

Aldarris what settings are ya running? My S15 isn't going like that :D

Currenlty on an E46 but it's not got enough top end grunt for some reason especially on the huge US oval...

[miguelkp]

So I see that: people using gamepad telling that it's not impossible, it's even fun. Wheel users telling that it's not impossible (very near, thought) but not fun at all.
So if the solution to make it fun is to use gamepad, sorry but I won't.


Also wondering why grip and drift use different physics files. In real life, physic laws don't change (as far as I know) when you say 'hey, physics, I'm drifting, okay?'.
Is there a way to change drift physics files and 'copy' grip parameters, or at least making similar?
With the grip physics, drifting is just a matter of tuning the car adjustments.


I see real drift races and, crap, they can throttle. Is that too much to ask? I've seen NFS Shift 2 drifting videos with gamepad and it's possible too.
They accelerate, change to 2nd gear, still accelerating normally, change to 3rd gear, etc.
Try to do with a wheel... Even with TCS on, car is behaving like if it had wooden rear tires or the like. Bibibibibibibibibibibi, in the red zone all the time, even in straight roads. Just like if the car only weigh 30 kilograms, floating over the road. Annoying. Too nervous so one can't correct excesive oversteering to keep drift. I think it's not real at all...
Can this be corrected decreasing throttle sensivity?

[Cluck]

Try to do with a wheel... Even with TCS on, car is behaving like if it had wooden rear tires or the like. Bibibibibibibibibibibi, in the red zone all the time, even in straight roads. Just like if the car only weigh 30 kilograms, floating over the road. Annoying. Too nervous so one can't correct excesive oversteering to keep drift. I think it's not real at all...
Can this be corrected decreasing throttle sensivity?I have exactly the same problem (Logitech G25) and so I've abandoned the drift stuff :-(. After approximately 40 attempts to even get 3rd at the second drift event, I gave up. To be brutally honest though, I only want to do the drift stuff to complete the career fully - I've always avoided drifting in games as far as possible (GRID, Shift and Shift 2 spring immediately to mind).

[Sintek]

I feel the same as the other wheel users. I refuse to use the keyboard or a gamepad just because nobody at SMS/EA thought to give their testers a wheel. I'd rather just skip those events.

Has anyone tried replacing the drift physics files with the normal ones? We know it can be done, at least on some level (minimod, that other tyre mod, etc.) I just pulled an 8+ second drift in the old Charger during a quick race, something I was never able to achieve in the over 10 hours I spent in the drift "tutorials."

[kligson]

I gave it a whirl again with the works dodge challenger r/t (untuned!) with my wheel (DFGT), after watching CellFractions video in this thread. Amazingly, this is finally a car i can drift with! and it's actually fun with that car... i can hold drifts for quite some time (managed those 6 second bonusses) and somehow working with throttle and steering feels like it makes sense with this car.

[Jimmy The Fox]

The problem with drifting with a wheel is that the front wheels don't react with force feedback when the car is sliding with no steering input (I don't know the correct term?), but they do when using a pad - and they do in the King drift sim - Live for Speed.

Please fix this in the next patch :)


With a control pad the drifting is very enjoyable, both the high speed drifting and the slow technical stuff that you can do in the Las Vagas Neveda map.


Beside this drifting/wheel issue it's a great game. :thumbup:

[Jonzy]

I have begun to check this out seriously today. I am too having trouble with the wheel, but I think it possible!

Many people said it more easy on a pad. I use a G27 and I kinda adjust the wheel to act like a pad; swift wheel movement with smoothing. So I put the wheel lock to 270, lower the FFB to 10-20%, speed sensitivity to 80% gas sens to 30% and steering wheel sens to 20%.

After many tries I'm starting having a glimpse. I use the Nissan car they give you after the training and go on the first Miami map and I focus the first place and not giving up until I got it. I spent hours on it and I went from 180pts to 450pts. I can now do two laps without blowing the tires and I kinda predict how the car will behave.

I think it all about the controls and practicing.

[Jonzy]

Would it be possible to anyone to upload a profile that have the tutorial available? it the default.sav thing. Maybe it would be good to have progressive tutorial for those like me who skipped it.

[Kaerar]

Grab an M3 E36, Toyota Supra or something like that and go drifting. The Drift Alliance 180SX (240SX?) is pretty bad and again tuning is needed to make the cars handle, well like cars :D

Not sure of the settings yet as I use a basically stock E36 M3 which holds 7s drifts no problem (can drift the whole of that convoluted Miami track in a single drift!).

However I'm using a pad so I get some feedback from the front.

[Jonzy]

The point of using the 240sx is to learn the basics before going on higher end. Going in the big hp is not going to help me think. I already tried the supra and I cannot do anything good with it. And yes tuning can be good to learn too on mediocre car, I guess it definitely help knowing what you are doing when you see improvements.

[Kaerar]

I'm not talking big power, the 240SX is just terrible to drift ingame. The S14 is a lot better and the M3 E36 in stock form is pretty good. A few tweaks and it gets even better.

BTW Supra is not everyones cup of tea when drifting, the E36 however is just sublime. Manage the throttle, don't worry about brakes, and DON'T use the E-Brake (dammit it's a Handbrake...).

[Jonzy]

I'm not saying the S14 is a good car, but a good teacher for the basics. Like someone says earlier in this thread, if you aren't doing like the video tutorial example where they slide the car you have, you are doing it wrong. So trying to perfecting the skills with the basic car until you can achieve the skills like demonstrated I think it can be time to move on better cars.

[Kaerar]

That is what I am trying to explain. The DA S13 is USELESS for practice. Whatever you learn with it is pointless as it handles like a sack of potatoes. It isn't a good teacher, it's underpowered and doesn't drift well (despite the S13 platform being one of the best about for drifting IRL).

The S14 should have been used as in stock form it can do drifting pretty well.

[Altarir]

A while ago, I discovered that th DMAC AE86 (the one you win in the retro challenge) is stupidly easy to drift, and t doesn't blow tires easily. That's the car I would recommend for drifting in Shift 2

[Aldarris]

That is what I am trying to explain. The DA S13 is USELESS for practice.

This is where I disagree, I spent most of my time learning with the DA S13 before upping to an S15. It is true that it does not have the umph that you might want for bigger tracks, but it certainly does help you learn. However,
a lap around Suzuka south, I was able to get 100pts under my record (858) with a 660ps FD3S, and Suzuka is a pretty open track. Heres a short video of my run on the Ebisu Touge and London Drift. IMO the S13 handles better than most of the other vehicles.

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100% stock tuning.

[Jonzy]

nice, I am still not able to do this. I am having hard time to figure how to chain drifts. What are the steering setup for these? The ingame advanced options with the sliders I mean, no need to tell about the profiler thing.

[EagleJohn]

nice, I am still not able to do this. I am having hard time to figure how to chain drifts. What are the steering setup for these? The ingame advanced options with the sliders I mean, no need to tell about the profiler thing.


100% stock tuning.

:thumbup:

[Jonzy]

learn to read, I said STEERING WHEEL setup. not tuning.

[Kaerar]

Nice runs there Aldarris, though I still find that car unusable. My custom tuned one with a bit more power is much better for coping, though I can see that one being good on the Touge due to its low power :)

I just find the DA one is really poor handling though. My M3 and FD are a lot better, along with S13 and I'm putting an S14 and S15 together for drift.

However you got one thing bang on, this game needs EUROBEATS :D

[Jonzy]

There's some tracks I cannot beat the event objectives after many hours of trying. Hazyview for example, beat the 7 second drifts is simply unachievable.

[Kaerar]

Hazyview is a tough one, you have to chain a drift on the straight but due to the off camber it's really hard to chain it back or keep your arse out of the barriers. I am very tempted to get a Caterham for that track though :D

[Jonzy]

darn I am not capable of chaining yet. The most I did on Hazyview was maybe 5-6 sec on the large bend

[franklinsilva]

I just would like to know why in DIRT3 is so easy to drift?
Is most of sim players so bad that could not learn how to drift?
why should sms dont says? "ok the physics were not so good, enjoy the game(speed sensation, immerse, etc) and we are working to improve it..."

[Kazumi]

why should they say that :?:

drifting isn't easy, besides people even asked for less drift adjustments.

so they should have added things to make drift more fun, instead of just keeping things that make the cars drift.

especially when you can take a car with 1200 hp and race on the nordschleife without that much sweating and even not that much set-up tweaks.

of course drifting a 180SX shoulnd't be harder, relative to that 8-)

of course #2 then, perfect, smooth and fast drifting should still be hard.

[djotefsoup]

Yeah, I don't know if you guys read the speedhunters blog, but here's how easy it is:

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Now, maybe it's just because Team NFS is really terrible and shortchanged them, but their cars seem to be missing the drift button codemasters put in their games.

[kligson]

Crap... those cars need some serious therapy after that, i'm sure... poor things!

I'm starting to think a clutch-pedal might come in handy as well... to bad i don't have one on my DFGT

just found this (check out all the combined actions of their feet and arms... i think drifting in shift is in easy mode lol):
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[Jonzy]

is that remotely doable in first place in drift mode? Look at the first vid at 1:22. The guy completely bend the wheel and slide forward. If I do that in Shift 2, I would just spin out no matter how fast I countersteer.

[kligson]

is that remotely doable in first place in drift mode? Look at the first vid at 1:22. The guy completely bend the wheel and slide forward. If I do that in Shift 2, I would just spin out no matter how fast I countersteer.

yep, but he's holding down his clutch pedal (no power to the rear wheels), probably pulling his handbrake, and then, when he's finally at the apex, releases his clutch and starts "feathering the throttle"... or, in his case, stomping it to the ground :-D listen to the engine sounds...

[Jonzy]

wouldnt just releasing gas having same effect? I just don't grasp the concept of pushing the clutch when releasing the gas is more easier.

[Aldarris]

wouldnt just releasing gas having same effect? I just don't grasp the concept of pushing the clutch when releasing the gas is more easier.

Probably cause itll catch after he releases it causing the rear tires to lose traction.

Clutch kicking ingame doesn't usually work out the same way that it does irl, from my experience.

[Jonzy]

damn that Hazeview 7 second drift challenge, after 3 days I still haven't got it. This sucks, I'm obsessed with that challenge and I tried every D cars I had and no one comes close easier than the S13. I even can't reach my record I did the first time that was 416 and 5 seconds holding. To make the matter worst I just can't drift at all tonight, either the car won't initiate or the car spin out WTF.

[kligson]

wouldnt just releasing gas having same effect? I just don't grasp the concept of pushing the clutch when releasing the gas is more easier.

Just releasing the gas causes engine breaking, which causes weight transfer... there's a difference

[Kaerar]

The trick is not having any power through the rear wheels at that point. Just releasing the accelerator causes energy to still go through the driveshaft to the rear wheels, but having the clutch in removes that engine breaking effect, though some use that to actually initiate drifts in some cases, especially with certain 2way diff's.

Oh and yeah drift in Shift is easy mode. Really easy mode. Using the stock racing physics gets closer, but still nowhere near reality (no offence SMS). I can't wait to get my RX back on the skidpan IRL :D

[Jonzy]

Another evening spent trying to get the 7 second drift with no success. Tried with/without clutch, tried E36, S2000, AE86... no success.

[Aldarris]

7 second? I managed to get the 6 second in the AE86, but it required drifting into the wall.

[Jonzy]

yeah that's the thing as soon you hit the wall it cancel the drift or would be a long time I would have it. There must be a way, I don't know if a car can drift any slower. Or drift really wide on the last bend but I don't know how to do that my rear always end touching the wall.

[Kaerar]

I just did a 2000+ score on Glendale oval in what I thought was my E46 BMW, turns out I picked my E36 B Class Retro racer (with lvl 3 tires!). Drifted like a dream on that track and was getting 5th gear drifts on both ends...

Just kept it at my racing setup too (which I hadn't perfected!) so I dunno things are very confusing in the drift side of the game!

[marcomainz]

which car rating is allowed to this 7sec hazeview challenge? I can manage a 10sec drift with a GT500 1341 rating in there but i dont play carreer, maybe you should try this car out, stock tires is the key ;) Maybe You drifters should participate to out wrecord challenge, its more fun than career solo :mrgreen: http://shift2.wrecord.com/player_info.php?id=337...that client software is still beta for shift 2 and dont want to validate it, dunno why...:(

If You want to master, dont look at the points, drift slowly on torque in high gear, the first part is long enough ;)

Regards

[Jonzy]

any RWD car can be allowed in Hazeview. I tried the GT500 but the car just wouldn't drift at all even with default tires. Which gear # and upgrade allow you to drift for 10 seconds???

[marcomainz]

all power, stock gearbox, locked diff like here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoBroU2ux-0&feature=feedlik (i just managed 1444 now while fighting BrianGG on wrecord). I also provided some tips here: http://ussr-team.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6858 may it help You ;-)

To manage a 10 sec drift on hazeview i start from 4th gear and drift allmost with low rpms, just a bit angle to see points growing slowly and its enough...

[Jonzy]

You will have to produce a vid about Hazeview Marc :D, I tried your suggestions and I can't manage it. At 4th gear low rpm the GT500 drift for a second and stop drift, heading me to the wall. More gas and the car spin out.

this is my awckward experience:

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[DimitriKhoz]

You will have to produce a vid about Hazeview Marc :D, I tried your suggestions and I can't manage it. At 4th gear low rpm the GT500 drift for a second and stop drift, heading me to the wall. More gas and the car spin out.

Are you drifting with the pad?

Forget your wheel, just try with the pad,
even PS3 or XBox pad may work fine
(use http://www.motioninjoy.com/ );
and you will see that it is managable,
not 1444, but good 800-1200.

[Jonzy]

I don't have pad... I tried drifting with a pad on the PS3 at work and I thought it was more awkward than a wheel. I don't think it impossible with a wheel because I've set the input to act like a pad.

[DimitriKhoz]

What about the pedals,
is their setup resembles one on the pad?
I do not think that we can configure pedal pressure as we can configure FFB.

[Jonzy]

Throttle sensitivity is at 5%, I don't use brakes so I don't bother touch it.

[kligson]

i'll see if i can get a replay of hazyview up today with my wheel... I managed it by driving up to the corner fast, early flick in hard on the throttle... soften throttle a bit to get around the bend and then floor up at the end of the turn.

No promises, because I have to entertain my kid as well today and he has priority :-P

[marcomainz]

You will have to produce a vid about Hazeview Marc :D, I tried your suggestions and I can't manage it. At 4th gear low rpm the GT500 drift for a second and stop drift, heading me to the wall. More gas and the car spin out.

this is my awckward experience:



i think You use wrong GT500, i meaned the Shelby. At least wheel may not be an big issue after seeing what Jens "tsuschiya" can do after training ;)

@Dimitri, the 1444 is now 1482 and it was on Dakota Club (fron my example Video of holding long drifts) in my fight yesterday against BrianGG, points doesnt matter on the 7 sec Challenge, low speed drifting doesnt pay much points ;)

Regards

PS: I just found the Challenge but forgot to record it in career, so i managed a little 15 seconds drift in Quickrace mode, as long as points are growing, the time will count, use the handbrake to not smash the second corner, i uploaded it to video section:
http://www.nogripracing.com/videos/view.php?id=3342

[kligson]

Jonzy,

I've got a vid of how I drive Hazyview Oval on my autolog. If you want to see it, add "kligson".
The trick is to just use the first corner to set you up right for the second corner... End somewhere near the grass on the left, then careful feint to the right first, steer left without gas, catch it when it starts to drift with good throttle for the first apex. Then lot go off the throttle just a bit and rather short, then build up to full throttle for the second apex... and the drift stops at the finish line ;) third round in that video is the best example I could do.

car setup:
BMW Z4 sDrive35is
engine upgrades: all level 2
tires: level 1
all the rest is level 3 (get used to turbo... it helps a lot... you need to keep it in the engine revving high though or it'll kick in at weird spots and send you spinning)
No tuning done

logitech profile:
all at 100%, centering wheel on, allow game to change settings

controls setup in game:
all assists off.
steering sensitivity 50%
throttle and brake sensitivity at 0%
all deadzones 0%
speed sensitivity 50%
speed sensitivity (drift) 100%
steering lock (both) 200

wheel: DFGT

Oh... and i use the helmet view that doesn't look to apex, because that's hell to drift with... no idea where the car is pointing...

[Jonzy]

i think You use wrong GT500, i meaned the Shelby. At least wheel may not be an big issue after seeing what Jens "tsuschiya" can do after training ;)

whooops!

Thanks for the video, I can see that you spin and screech the wheels way before you start drifting, is this on purpose of initiating a drift? Are you forced to use the handbrakes to accomplish this? Everytime I use the ebrake it just make the car spin.

[Kaerar]

Don't use the E-Brake. It just does exactly what you say. I initiate through turbo coming on song or in the case of the E46 just pure acceleration force.

[Jonzy]

what's amaze me is in the video the drifting is very straight, I can barely manage to keep my car going straight. I'm battling to keep it from swaying from left to right. As soon I try to initiate a drift, it straighten up instead of keeping the angle.

[kligson]

what's amaze me is in the video the drifting is very straight, I can barely manage to keep my car going straight. I'm battling to keep it from swaying from left to right. As soon I try to initiate a drift, it straighten up instead of keeping the angle.

speed is key... and smooth turning off the wheel... use harsh inputs and you're off...

e-brake only works at very low speeds (it's either max on or off in our case... no hard and soft e-braking, which makes it harder to use). I only use it at some ebisu corners

[Jonzy]

Holy ****, I just rang to my neighbor's door to borrow his 360 pad and I gave it a try. I beat my highscore on first try. So everyone were right, pad are definitely easier than the wheel. I manage easily to drift in a straighter line than my G27 and the car doesn't search for straighten up! wow. After an intense week of trying drifting with the wheel, it a damn aftertaste.

This is something to look for. I thought snappier controls to match pad was the key but I was wrong, or there's something I did not considered. I will try to compare telemetries to see if it can be fixed.

I still can't manage to make longer drift tho. As soon I come off on exit my drift stop unlike Marc's video.

[marcomainz]

whooops!

Thanks for the video, I can see that you spin and screech the wheels way before you start drifting, is this on purpose of initiating a drift? Are you forced to use the handbrakes to accomplish this? Everytime I use the ebrake it just make the car spin.

i just tried to show You how "easy" it can be to make a long drift in there, handbrake is the best way to reduce speed without that the game stops counting points (and couting time)...Spinning wheels just to get speed, was a single lap...As i said, just made a quick thing to show You. At least, tuning is very important to get an such easy car to drift. Youre all welcome to join the wrecord battle, some good drifters more may give us some competition: http://shift2.wrecord.com/records.php?type=2&track=all&countr=all&team=all&car=all&handl=all

Regards, Marco ;)

[Jonzy]

Believe it or not but I just set my wheel settings with 0% throttle and 99% throttle deadzone. The car behave WAAAY much more better and almost match the pad. With a drift sensitivity of 70% and wheel lock of 200 I can have a much smoother control during drift.

Maybe someone can check this out with G25/G27 wheel.

[Jonzy]

Arhhh I give up. I love hard challenges but this is ridiculous. Even with the pad I cannot drift on the straight line after the first bend. Maybe it was not intended this way, but after 5 days trying to rip her up, it no uses. I want to kill everyone saying it easy now :mad:

[marcomainz]

:crying:

to be honest, ive started to drift in S2U 2 weeks ago and ive destroyed a pad thinking its impossible...:twisted:...now im pretty good in, leads all leaderboards and brings nightmare to the "old" NFS Driftking BrianGG ;) (ok, hes still kicking my ass when i though ive made unbeatable scores, sometimes)

Maybe a last tip?

Use G25 seperate pedal preset, 5% DZ, 35% steering and throttle sensivity so as 90% speed steering and 100% steering lock with the Pad and try out on another track like silverstone for example to get the drift in ;-), thats how i did. When your car starts to drift countersteer immediatly to hold a "little" drift angle, release steering if you feel that You will lost the drift, and steer again...

Im sure You can do it, its ***** ( i dont wanna die now xD) when You got it in...but until youve not the trick youll become crazy...AND TAKE SHELBY GT500 its the best car to drift in Shit (sry Shift)

Regards Marco

[Jonzy]

it not about the controls, or it is but I can't find what's wrong. I am using pad today and I see now how it very much easier compared to the wheel. The wheels always feel that the car is about to snap out. But now I am using the pad, I just wanted to finish this challenge once and for all today and despite been more easier I just cannot replicate what your video shows. I can manage the first corner, no problem, but I can't keep the drift like you do on the straight line. It like to me I have some tuning or upgrade wrong. When I come off the corner I try to keep my angle but the car just want to straight up despite flooring the pedal.

Oh well, thanks anyway, your help was really helpful regardless because I learned a lot. Maybe I will just vent off a little and try again later, but this is just crazy now.

[marcomainz]

it not about the controls, or it is but I can't find what's wrong. I am using pad today and I see now how it very much easier compared to the wheel. The wheels always feel that the car is about to snap out. But now I am using the pad, I just wanted to finish this challenge once and for all today and despite been more easier I just cannot replicate what your video shows. I can manage the first corner, no problem, but I can't keep the drift like you do on the straight line. It like to me I have some tuning or upgrade wrong. When I come off the corner I try to keep my angle but the car just want to straight up despite flooring the pedal.

Oh well, thanks anyway.

to keep the drift you must countersteer ;) Its weird because you get feeling that youll lost the drift but if you do it right, it works...take my Charger Tuning from here (its working fine with GT also): http://ussr-team.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6858

Hold on, its hard to get it in, but when its in, its **** (im still not want to die tonight :D)

Regards

[Kaerar]

GT500 my ass, I just got 2904 on Millenium Drift Park with my FC3S RX-7 :D

Finally getting the hang of this ;)


MAD just got 3896 on the 3 lap Millenium Drift!!!

[Jonzy]

to keep the drift you must countersteer ;) Its weird because you get feeling that youll lost the drift but if you do it right.

Marco, I'm not that stupid. Yes I know I must countersteer but that's the thing, the car just want to straight up to the direction I aim no matter how much throttle I put. Did you have stock air pressure on your tires or you have your own tune? (I am using stock 60/50)

[marcomainz]

GT500 my ass, I just got 2904 on Millenium Drift Park with my FC3S RX-7 :D

Finally getting the hang of this ;)

Sure sure, just validate it on wrecord to see ;), of course mods are not allowed there...

@Jonzy,

60/70 on the GT, or just take the full tuning ive linked above. The steering problem, i know, sometimes the car become crazy, training is the only way to handle it...

Regards

@Millenium...

3 laps? lol, BrianGG do 1800+ on a standing start single lap (http://shift2.wrecord.com/records.php?track=1096&countr=all&team=all&car=all) with the E46...and after fighting me he understood the shelby GT500 is a way better...But its not the point, the point is the "7sec drift challenge" on Hazeview ;)

[Kaerar]

Yeah I was having issues with that too. Getting it to last down the straight is damn hard, especially when you are an inertia drifter, rather than an E-brake drifter.

BTW 2904 was over two laps, so was less than BrianGG's. I thought the records were over 2 laps :)

[Jonzy]

I've just ****ing got it

[Kaerar]

Well done Jonzy :D

[Jonzy]

yeah I had to resort to the pad, I barely got it, I crashed into the wall just as I got it. It impossible with a wheel. I tried to imitate the wheel settings reaction to the closest to pad and it not remotely doable. As soon I bank for drift it either too much or not enough and when I got a drift the car just sway from left to right. even trying to roll straight forward it not possible, the car always want to flip. Switch to pad and the car just handle marvelously, I actually have the impression of sliding and in control. Funny, I drift with the pad and I don't even have to touch the stick unless I have to make corrections.

[kligson]

yeah I had to resort to the pad, I barely got it, I crashed into the wall just as I got it. It impossible with a wheel. I tried to imitate the wheel settings reaction to the closest to pad and it not remotely doable. As soon I bank for drift it either too much or not enough and when I got a drift the car just sway from left to right. even trying to roll straight forward it not possible, the car always want to flip. Switch to pad and the car just handle marvelously, I actually have the impression of sliding and in control. Funny, I drift with the pad and I don't even have to touch the stick unless I have to make corrections.

That's about where i am with controlling it with a wheel... took me the better part of 3 weeks to get there... I'm thoroughly enjoying drifting now, accept for the very technical stuff like ebisu... that's still an exercise in frustration, but i'll get it eventually :twisted:

[Kaerar]

Not quite sure how to approach Ebisu at the moment. It's a bit of an enigma setup wise, though I think the Hachi Roku has the best chance being pretty small, maybe even a Caterham if you are crazy enough to try it :D

Drifting with the pad though is really easy. I have been using lvl1 tires too, not a single blow out, though the E36 with lvl3 tires also has that ;)

[kligson]

I'm trying ebisu south atm... in an rx7 (he newer version). It's finally starting to become challenging instead of nearly impossible lol!
It's good practice though.

edit: hah! regional best @ ebisu south now with 230

[Jonzy]

bah I give up. Those challenges are just impossible as it get like Hatch, Willow, Ibisu.... Really? 7sec at Ibisu Touge? are you ****ing kidding me? heck even at 4 sec at Easy it impossible unless you're gifted or retarded enough to spend a week on it.

Fortunately for me I finished the Drift part on Easy. I am never touching this again :)

Back on normal races.

[Kaerar]

I like the dedicated drift tracks, though the one at Toyota oval with the hairpin off the banked curve is a little annoying. Favourites are Miami and London Drift Parks :)

I don't bother with the 7s drift challenges on most as you either get them through natural drifting or spend an age wasting time for something that's utterly pointless. Much prefer chasing better scores :D

[Aldarris]

I'm trying ebisu south atm... in an rx7 (he newer version). It's finally starting to become challenging instead of nearly impossible lol!
It's good practice though.

edit: hah! regional best @ ebisu south now with 230

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This is the line that I used, yielded me 385 pts. Hope this helps.

[kligson]

This is the line that I used, yielded me 385 pts. Hope this helps.

Oooh thanks! have to check that out when i'm home... Do you have one for ebisu touge as well? I just cant seem to wrap my head around that one :crying:

[Jonzy]

My guess to Touge is to take a small car like the AE86. I tried but my car would just spin. I had more success with the old worked RX7

I don't bother with the 7s drift challenges on most as you either get them through natural drifting or spend an age wasting time for something that's utterly pointless. Much prefer chasing better scores :D

Yeah, what I did is to put the game on Easy, those 7s will be 4s which is a reasonable time for most tracks, then switch back to hard and they are still completed.

I should have done this long ago :(

[Kaerar]

Nice lines there Aldarris, what setup are you running on that AE86, I can't seem to get mine to behave :D

[Aldarris]

Nice lines there Aldarris, what setup are you running on that AE86, I can't seem to get mine to behave :D

Specs are in the attatched post. This setup isn't particularly working out for the more open tracks, but seems to work out on Ebisu South and Touge.

[kligson]

Any upgrades installed?

/me is itching to go home...

[Aldarris]

All level 3 except Forced Induction and Tires, which are stock. Decided to keep it N/A but I've yet to try it with turbos.

Upgrade list is under the tuning settings.

[kligson]

Upgrade list is under the tuning settings.

oops, i missed that. Thanks for the effort. Much appreciated!
Just watched you vid... awesome that you also show what gear you drive and where you pull the handbrake... That's stuff i've been wondering about...

Firing up s2u to give it a whirl now :-D

[kligson]

I have absolutely no control with that setup :-(

Been having fun at the freight depot though... Did a bit of my own tuning on the same car and i was managing some pretty nice doughnuts and i can only do them consistently turning right, i noticed lol

[marcomainz]

try this out, works with many cars, from S2000 over Charger RT/Shelby GT500 to BMWs, manages best scores (autolog rtxusGER, add me if you want):

Upgrades: All exept engine swap (swap just destroys car balance), brakes and tires

Tires and Brakes Front Tire Pressure 70 psi
Rear Tire Pressure 60 psi
Aligment Steering Lock max
Caster Angle 5-10 (muscles 10, others 5)
Front Toe Angle 0
Rear Toe Angle 20
Front Camber 10
Rear Camber 40
Stance Front Ride Height 3
Rear Ride Height 5
DF 0 front 2-3 rear
Differential Limited Slip Acceleration Lock 20
Limited Slip Deceleration Lock 0
Limited Slip Preload 5
Springs Front Sway Bar 2 from right
Rear Sway Bar 2 from right
Front Spring Rate 2
Rear Spring Rate 5
Front Bump Stop 15
Rear Bump Stop 20
Dampers Front Damper Fast Bump middle
Front Damper Slow Bump middle
Front Damper Fast Rebound middle +2 to right
Front Damper Slow Rebound middle +2 to right
Rear Damper Fast Bump middle
Rear Damper Slow Bump middle
Rear Damper Fast Rebound middle +2 to right
Rear Damper Slow Rebound middle +2 to right
Drivetrain Final Drive 1-2
1-4 max right
5-6 1-2 from right

To me this is pretty easy to handle if youre relaxed on gas...That was my original setup for the S2000, did 197 on ebisu touge, 500+ on thief horse or Lakeside, for the hardest tracks in it, standing start single lap of course...

Regards

[miguelkp]

I have exactly the same problem (Logitech G25) and so I've abandoned the drift stuff :-(. After approximately 40 attempts to even get 3rd at the second drift event, I gave up. To be brutally honest though, I only want to do the drift stuff to complete the career fully - I've always avoided drifting in games as far as possible (GRID, Shift and Shift 2 spring immediately to mind).

I just gave up after 3 hours of "tutorial". I don't mind if S13 is not the best car to drift. To keep a drift and to chain 2 drifts should be possible (even "quite easy") and fun but it's not at all, at least for me (it's also true that I didn't changed too much the wheel setup inside the game; anyway, if I feel good in normal races with wheel setup, I can't understand why I can't feel good in drift races with the same wheel setup).

I'm not asking for a very very very easy drift handling like NFS Carbon or NFS ProStreet (though drifting in these ones was very fun). Just keeping the same handling feelings that I have in normal races. With some fine tuning and a couple of tries, one can be able to make good drifting in grip races. I find this annoying.


I ask ('cause I really don't know): can real drifters throttle in straight roads without feeling that their cars have bubble-gum-rear-tyres? I suppose that drift tyres are quite different for normal ones (or maybe not) but need to keep less than 25% throttling just to not blow up the engine is crazy.

[Kaerar]

Drifters actually need a lot of grip ironically, so you tend to see very good tires on the top drift cars. Easily equal to level 2 or 3 ingame. I use an RX-7 FC3S for inertia drifting (no E-Brake or braking at all unless in trouble).

Car: RX-7 FC3S
Track: Most Drift locations except large oval and Ebisu

Upgrades:
Bridge Port
Flywheel LvL 2
All Drivetrain LvL 3
Suspension LvL 3
All Brakes LvL 3
Bodykit LvL 2
Weight reduction LvL 3

No Tuning Done...
(I think my tuning got lost when I did it, so I've been drifting without my tuned settings by accident!)

Just start in 3rd gear and switch to 4th and manage the drift on the throttle with counter-steering to suit. Chain by lift off and steer then throttle on again (smoothly not suddenly).

[kligson]

those dedicated drift tracks (miami park, london millenium) are no problem at all for me. It's the technical stuff that i want to get the hang of
Also: handbraking. As soon as I touch the thing i'm backwards. How do you manage that, Aldarris? Still countersteering, with throttle?

[Aldarris]

I'm fairly sure it reacts differently with a wheel. With a pad its not as harsh.

[Jonzy]

yeah, try if you can with a pad to see the difference. You will notice that you may waste time on wheel like I did, the car is too sensitive to oversteering or tries to much to get back on track when you are drifting. I could only drift straight quarter of times if I was lucky. When I borrowed the pad, I was unpleasantly surprised to see the car drifting so smoothly, I didnt even have to touch the stick to autocorrect.

If it possible, it may require different upgrade/tuning. I tried my best to match the kind of responsiveness of the pad to the wheel but no success. I think something's bugged because even rolling straight was not possible, the car would lose control on about the 4th gear.

[Kaerar]

Only thing stopping me from getting high scores is that I lose points on direction changes. Using the Handbrake apparently reduces that, but it just spins me out. Hence my 774 on Miami Drift Park is about as good as I'll get with current style. Why they penalise Inertia drifting I'll never know!

[kligson]

I refuse to use a pad! :-P Call me stubborn if you will
I'll get it eventually... Like i said, i can hold long drifts pretty easily on them drift parks (1200 avg on London millennium from standing start).
Ah well... back to practice

[Kaerar]

Interesting, I'm on a pad and I avg about 600-700 on Miami and about 1500 on London. Trying to get close to 1800 on London, but I'm still losing points on transitions...

[Jonzy]

I refuse to use a pad! :-P Call me stubborn if you will
I'll get it eventually... Like i said, i can hold long drifts pretty easily on them drift parks (1200 avg on London millennium from standing start).
Ah well... back to practice

I know, I refused to use a pad too, but then I realized it was a bit stupid trying to master something broken on a game that is on it way out anyway. I can waste my time for better use, like normal race drifting.

[Kazumi]

I ask ('cause I really don't know): can real drifters throttle in straight roads without feeling that their cars have bubble-gum-rear-tyres? I suppose that drift tyres are quite different for normal ones (or maybe not) but need to keep less than 25% throttling just to not blow up the engine is crazy.
- i guess so

of course if you steer a bit, that not steer and then floor the throttle, the car will still follow that direction and initiating a drift.

so sometimes it looks to just drift in a straght line :huh:

- well. the real problem for me is that there's now more grip on front tires than rear tires. you can rule that out a bit with negative camber, toe and so on. basically the range / time where you can countersteer feels a bit off (at least on wheel)

i agree though there should be an "easy mode" - at least a chance to pick a car with a friendlier set-up, especially with all normal tracks available in drift modes. kinda like the normal race cars' default set-up.

[kligson]

I found this interesting titbit (http://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=5385669#post5385669) on another forum.
Did some experimenting:

When i install a limited slip diff on the AE86 and move the sliders around, i can definitely feel a difference, so i don't think the "regardless of the current configuration" comment in that post is true
When i uninstall the diff upgrade, drifting feels easier. This might be placebo of course, but it works for me

[Kaerar]

Is it just me or are there null zones around certain corners on Miami Drift Park? First corner if you go outside the arrows you get less than half the points you do if you go on them or to the inside of them. Same happens on the long sweeping corner just before the final hairpin...

[Jonzy]

yeah I had the same issue, I guess you have to stay within the arrows range.

[Kaerar]

Which really makes no sense. As long as you are drifting in the right direction you should be awarded points, hell for scraping the barrier (as in really close not actually touching) it's considered excellent skill in Drifting, not you don't get any points for being so close to the guard rail...
Ah well, at least I now know the reason for my lower scores...

[kligson]

from Judging a drift event (http://www.drifting.com/article.php?threadid=3866&goto=newpost&show_Title):
Driving line refers to the path the car travels through the corner. Judges prefer to see a driver take a tight line around a corner, putting the nose of the car as close as possible to the apex of the turn. Getting the back end of the car close to the outside of a turn also demonstrates car control and can score the driver addtional points.

I guess going wide isn't as important as catching the apex

[Kaerar]

On the drift parks there aren't exactly apexes, especially Miami, which looks designed for wide arc drifting. Just frustrating when you hold a 7-8s drift to get 0 points for it...

[miguelkp]

I know, I refused to use a pad too, but then I realized it was a bit stupid trying to master something broken on a game that is on it way out anyway. I can waste my time for better use, like normal race drifting.

Yeah. But it's too much money spent on a G25. I find annoying to need a gamepad only because EA didn't make well.

What I'll do is just ignore drift events except if anyone makes a drift mod for that game to make it, at least, playable* with wheel.
If that doesn't happen and I need these events to continue game I'll try to make myself the aforementioned "drift mod" if possible. If not possible, abandone drift events at all and aim to grip races and even drifting with grip races physics.


* With "playable" I mean:
1. You can full throttle (or almost full throttle) whenever you have car control (ie, except while drifting itself, when full throttle means oversteering and too low throttle means "failed drift" or undesteering; and in 1st, 2nd and even 3rd gear depending on the car power, when cars use to lose traction except with TCS activated).
2. You can keep inertia drifts with throttling carefully (as stated in point 1 and as it's in Real Life™).

In conclusion, handling drift cars as grip cars and rely on tuning options to get a good drifting experience.

[Kaerar]

Playable? You mean like Tsuchiya who has 5th place in the World Records for Shift 2 with a wheel...

http://shift2.wrecord.com/records.php?track=1096

[miguelkp]

Congrats for he/she. I just wonder how many hours did he/she spent to do that.
But anyway, drift races in NFSS2 are clearly a broken feature, absolutely not well done, just complicated by EA for who knows what reasons, very unreal and, for me, not fun at all.

[kligson]

It takes time and effort to make it fun... I'm having quite a bit of fun with it now (and i still use a wheel). Took me a few hours a day for four weeks :-P I kind of like the challenge

[miguelkp]

I spent time and effort (like I did in NFS Shift 1) now even trying diferent setups (for both wheel and car). And I can handle it, I can drift. But it's just unreal, too much. So unreal that it's not fun at all.
Maybe for someone I'm telling a big nonsense but I found quite more real drifting in NFS ProStreet and Carbon than that. A "meeting point" between ProStreet/Carbon with Shift 1 would be a good aproaching. Or at least just use the same files for drift and grip races.

[Kazumi]

- explain what is unreal, throttle, steering, inertia... :?:

- same files are used... just with drift modifications, multiplier, cheat whatever you want to call it

[miguelkp]

Don't know how to explain it. It's a mix of what you said.

I think throttle is not well done. Even with TCS on, rear tyres just slips whenever I throttle about 50% or above. But, surprisingly, it seems to happen only with certain cars at certain circuits.

Steering is also faulty. I had to kill myself worrying about wheel adjustements, both in game and in Logitech profiler, to get some response (and I still don't feel comfortable at all). I just found strange that a low-powered front drive car oversteers each spin, no matter what you do with the wheel and the throttle.

Inertia by itself is not bad done. The problem I found is that whenever I tweak wheel setup in order to enhance steering, I mess up inertia (specially changing wheel setup at Logitech profiler and when using dinput8.dll; I just tried it but will not use again I think). Again, maybe I need to spend more time to get a good balance between initial steering (starting drift) and inertia (keeping drift).


About files, don't know exactly where are the tweakings. Acording to this thread (brrupsz said it in page #1), physicstweak is hardcoded so can't be edited (unlike in NFSS1), and that file is where drift vs grip differences are set (don't know more about that).
That's what I mean. Why to make these differences between drift and race physics? In real world, physics are physics. That's all. It doesn't matter if you are drifting or... handstanding XD

I can drift (sometimes...). But I still don't find funny. Maybe I don't find funny because of that: I can drift only sometimes. It's like if drift was a matter of luck more than a matter of skill.

[marcomainz]

Don't know how to explain it. It's a mix of what you said.

I think throttle is not well done. Even with TCS on, rear tyres just slips whenever I throttle about 50% or above. But, surprisingly, it seems to happen only with certain cars at certain circuits.

Steering is also faulty. I had to kill myself worrying about wheel adjustements, both in game and in Logitech profiler, to get some response (and I still don't feel comfortable at all). I just found strange that a low-powered front drive car oversteers each spin, no matter what you do with the wheel and the throttle.

Inertia by itself is not bad done. The problem I found is that whenever I tweak wheel setup in order to enhance steering, I mess up inertia (specially changing wheel setup at Logitech profiler and when using dinput8.dll; I just tried it but will not use again I think). Again, maybe I need to spend more time to get a good balance between initial steering (starting drift) and inertia (keeping drift).


About files, don't know exactly where are the tweakings. Acording to this thread (brrupsz said it in page #1), physicstweak is hardcoded so can't be edited (unlike in NFSS1), and that file is where drift vs grip differences are set (don't know more about that).
That's what I mean. Why to make these differences between drift and race physics? In real world, physics are physics. That's all. It doesn't matter if you are drifting or... handstanding XD

I can drift (sometimes...). But I still don't find funny. Maybe I don't find funny because of that: I can drift only sometimes. It's like if drift was a matter of luck more than a matter of skill.

:laugh:

what about training?

Ok seperate physics for drift is weak but i have no problem with drifting after trying to learn how the game wants it...you know, its a game ;-)

It has cost me a controller but now its more funny than racing to me...and no problem to drift big angles over seconds and seconds...throttling is nice, steering too...dunno whats the problem, maybe not enough training?

Regards

PS: I use 100% stock game, no mods, sqeeeeeetch (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoBroU2ux-0)

[miguelkp]

:laugh:

what about training?

Ok seperate physics for drift is weak but i have no problem with drifting after trying to learn how the game wants it...you know, its a game ;-)

It has cost me a controller but now its more funny than racing to me...and no problem to drift big angles over seconds and seconds...throttling is nice, steering too...dunno whats the problem, maybe not enough training?

Regards

PS: I use 100% stock game, no mods, sqeeeeeetch (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoBroU2ux-0)

:glare:
I did. I spent hours and hours.

First, with no changes in wheel setup (wheel, key word here... controllers are an universe apart) it was just impossible. There was no way on keep a drift more than 0.5 seconds. Whatever one do, whatever car one use, whatever circuit one try, all car do is oversteer. I'm talking about wheels (remember that since it's an important thing in that discussion).

After hours tweaking wheel setups in game and in Logitech profiler and, of course, after hours drifting (or trying it), I can say I handle it in certain situations. Even win some events. But, to my liking, it's still the weakest, more inconsistent and worst done part of the game, by far.

[marcomainz]

Tsuschiya (a friend of mine) has no problems to drift with wheel, i also tried my fanatec out in there, im just not able to do big scores to beat my "enemy" N°1, BrianGG, so i use pad...I just removed DZ and reduced rotation degrees to lowest....other settings are set to 100%, just DZs to 0, i used G25 seperate pedal setup, so as i use it with the pad...

Tuning is the Key in there, with wheel also...I made my trials on silverstone national and with wheel i did around 1k...so i guess its possible but as i said, tuning makes the biggest diff after the DZ and low rotation degree wheel setup...

Regards

PS: of course, smooth throttling and steering is also required, aggressive driving doesnt work at all...

[miguelkp]

Tsuschiya (a friend of mine) has no problems to drift with wheel, i also tried my fanatec out in there, im just not able to do big scores to beat my "enemy" N°1, BrianGG, so i use pad...I just removed DZ and reduced rotation degrees to lowest....other settings are set to 100%, just DZs to 0, i used G25 seperate pedal setup, so as i use it with the pad...

Tuning is the Key in there, with wheel also...I made my trials on silverstone national and with wheel i did around 1k...so i guess its possible but as i said, tuning makes the biggest diff after the DZ and low rotation degree wheel setup...

Regards

PS: of course, smooth throttling and steering is also required, aggressive driving doesnt work at all...

That is working for me also, the 0%DZ and low rotation degree (also have very very low throttle sensivity). Maybe I will take your advices and go to next step (tuning) when drift races are required or when I beat all grip races.

In grip races I don't use aids, neither TCS nor ESC, so I assume I have some control over throttling and steering (that's what I like to believe XD)

[Jonzy]

if you find any tuning for the wheel users, write them down. The key is to reduce the lousy grip felt with the wheel.

I guess the steering lock (tuning) is one of the key, with the pad I always had it near max but I think it really help having it at it lowest when using a wheel.

[Kaerar]

I think the wheel issue lies within the games auto-countersteer section for drift. Something that will disturb wheel users as the car will literally start doing something without your input. With the pad it's less noticeable, but to someone who likes full control it took me a while to get used to. Throttle wise, I do Miami with the RX-7 in 4th gear the entire race with about 60-70% throttle for the first corner again for the switch then up to 90-100% through the long section about 70% on the switch to 90-100% for the second long section, down to 30-40% for the final hairpin and back up to 70-80% for the start line before turn 1 switch. I'll post one of my vids when I get it reduced in size from the FRAPS recording :)

[kligson]

I think the wheel issue lies within the games auto-countersteer section for drift. Something that will disturb wheel users as the car will literally start doing something without your input. With the pad it's less noticeable, but to someone who likes full control it took me a while to get used to. Throttle wise, I do Miami with the RX-7 in 4th gear the entire race with about 60-70% throttle for the first corner again for the switch then up to 90-100% through the long section about 70% on the switch to 90-100% for the second long section, down to 30-40% for the final hairpin and back up to 70-80% for the start line before turn 1 switch. I'll post one of my vids when I get it reduced in size from the FRAPS recording :)

RL cars also autosteer when drifting... When the back end spins around, your front wheels stay in the same direction, turning the steering wheel.
I turned off centering spring in logitech profiler today and started using that... and had my personal best on London millennium: 1449 (second lap, so tires are nice and warm)

here's the clip (remember, i'm driving with a Driving Force GT wheel). I used cockpit view for the replay so you can see my steering input. I mostly correct using the throttle.
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Settings:
Logitech profile:
Overall/Spring/Damper @ 100%
No Centering Spring (it kills feedback you need)
Allow game to adjust settings

In game:
elite handling, all assists off
FFB 100%
Steering deadzone/sensitivity 1%/50%
Steering sens 50%
Throttle deadzone/sensitivity 0%/1%
No brakes used :D
Speed sensitivity (drift) 100%
steering lock (drift) 250

Car:
Toyota Supra
engine upgrades all to highest, no engine swap
drivetrain upgrades all to highest
turbo to highest
suspension to highest
no brake upgrades...
tires to first option
bodykit 2
weight reduction to highest

tire pressure F/R 47/63

steering lock 45
Caster 10
toe F/R 22/17
camber F/R 20/28

stance F/R 5/5

differential acc/dec 1/1

downforce F/R 9/6

swaybar F/R 5/6
springs F/R 1/3
no bumpstops

front damper fast/slow bump 1/2
front damper fast/slow rebound 4/1
rear damper fast/slow bump 2/2
rear damper fast/slow rebound 0/2

gears all 2, final drive 4

[Kaerar]

I'll upload my RX-7 FC3S C547 class when I get round to a world record recording. Currently can't as drunk at friends birthday party :D

[robillard3381]

I don't manage AT ALL drifting, the car goes immediately into a tailspin. I use the same car and same settings as you (kligson). Maybe it's a wheel issue (I use F430 FFB and it's very difficult playing with it), but what you do in this vid is just impossible for me :crying::crying::crying:
Any help somebody?

[kligson]

If you spin out, you're giving it too much gas. Easiest way for me to initiate a drift is to get up to speed, turn in, press the throttle down a bit and almost immediately ease up on it again. If you turned in enough and gave enough gas, you should feel a tug starting on you wheel (hold it very lightly). That's the back end sliding while the front wheels stay in the same direction. When you're facing the direction you want to go, start gently applying more throttle. Don't tug on the wheel like a madman. That's not a good way to drift in this game

Try driving around nevada freight depot first and try and get a feel for when it starts to slide. I spent days there...

Speed is important to hold a slide. Keep it up

I'll upload a telemetry video later, maybe that makes things clearer

[kligson]

it's up:
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I don't know if you're familiar with the telemetry screen, but it might help make things clearer... Green bar on the left is the throttle, that bar from left to right just below that is the steering wheel.
Also gives speed in the upper right corner.

As you can see i'm just messing about, trying to find the limits and all around having fun :laugh: i can fill a whole evening doing just that...

And of course it help to disable damage when you're doing a session like this 8-)

also, on throttle use: when you're in a drift and you give more throttle, the angle of the curve tightens. Too much and you spin. When you give less throttle, the car settles out of the drift. You can use this to make curves grow progressively tighter or wider by repeatedly giving more or less throttle in small bursts ("feathering the throttle" as they call it)

hope that helps

[robillard3381]

Thanks for your help and the video! But I think it's a wheel issue, the throttle is way to sensitive, impossible to assay the accelerator. And the sensibility is at the minimum...

[DrugsDen]

Drift set up cars are just point less in this game its a lot better and a lot more fun just drifting race set up cars IMO

[kligson]

Drift set up cars are just point less in this game its a lot better and a lot more fun just drifting race set up cars IMO
They're not pointless, because i'm having loads of fun with them... They may be pointless to you though. Tastes differ :-D

[DrugsDen]

They're not pointless, because i'm having loads of fun with them... They may be pointless to you though. Tastes differ :-D

Its not i dont like drifting the bit thats pointless is the way they make the cars feel for drifting just a normal race car feels and is 10 times better

[Welsh]

I was in "arguably" the best drifting team on GT5, was competitive with wheel but made mistakes, was lack of practice, the skill was there.

Have now sold PS3 and GT5. Upgraded the PC and I'm....

Getting Shift 2 in a few hours hopefully (for PC), will LOVE to see what I can do on this beast. Anyone else made this jump ? Tips ?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fN3cqaxIkUk&feature=player_profilepage
Bit of LFS Fooling around xD
(1 to 1 wheel movement)

[Kazumi]

if you can do that with LfS's RAC i think maybe you will be fine with S2U drifting... :alien:

[Welsh]

I can't drift with the wheel xD

Feels really strange lol

The racing is fun though.

[Baule]

Did anyone beat a drift length of 4 seconds in Ebisu Touge?

I would like to complete all the event objectives and I'm done with all the other drift events. But this one... I really don't know how to manage a 4 second drift on this track.

I use the gamepad playing Shift2 on the PS3, by the way.

[Patjeee]

I thaught my handling was on elite , but it was on pro ...drifting failed
since i put it on elite drifting goes much easier ... but the only car i can drift with is the drift alliance nissan 240sx

[frankth3frizz]

slalom drifting is HARD! well drifting in general is hard. i can't make full continuous circles :/

[Kaerar]

It's all about inertia and throttle control. Pretty easy when you get the hang of it, but remember the car auto steers into the drift (the thing that messes up wheel drifters most) so managing throttle manages the position of the car far more than steering. Steering is just used for minor directional changes (like avoiding barriers!!).

[The Driver]

Aww.. I would be 9th on that page, Kaerar. :S I should register at there.. Maybe. :D

And I think drifting is just too.. Easy! For me atleast - With pad... :/

[DrugsDen]

Well how easy is drifting with a 360 pad plug it in and im top of my speed wall in 30mins flat! Just gos to tell me there was no testing at all with a wheel for drift mode:angry:

[Kaerar]

I swear it's the auto steering correction that screws it for wheel users. I personally don't like it, just like I dislike the adjusted physics of the drift events. Pads make drift a piece of cake...

[Minoza]

I swear it's the auto steering correction that screws it for wheel users. I personally don't like it, just like I dislike the adjusted physics of the drift events. Pads make drift a piece of cake...

But are you sure it's auto correction? I mean, if you look at YT (cockpit) videos of people drifting, you can clearly notice that wheel indeed (well, sort off...) "auto corrects" itself. What it actually does is trying to keep the direction of movement, which is natural. So if you slide in one direction, the wheel will tend to go (what seems to be from that perspective) in the other direction.

Maybe that's what's going on here?

Sorry if my english wasn't clear enough... It's not my native language.

[Swiftracer]

I swear it's the auto steering correction that screws it for wheel users. I personally don't like it, just like I dislike the adjusted physics of the drift events. Pads make drift a piece of cake...

yeah, I hate autosteer and different physics, all I have to do on my ps3 is rew turn in and just play with throttle and everything else will be done by the script...
I'd also like a different setup for drift and grip races. (drift: Manual tranny, all aids OFF!) (grip: some aids on , Automatic tranny)...
I missed this function even on the first shift.
also I run 1% sensitivity, because any more would just mess up the steering, would go to wheel lock immidiatly :D

NOTE!: we need to get mrdf-s decrypted ASAP to fix those stupid things... but I'm stuck at it... -.-

[djotefsoup]

But are you sure it's auto correction? I mean, if you look at YT (cockpit) videos of people drifting, you can clearly notice that wheel indeed (well, sort off...) "auto corrects" itself. What it actually does is trying to keep the direction of movement, which is natural. So if you slide in one direction, the wheel will tend to go (what seems to be from that perspective) in the other direction.

Maybe that's what's going on here?

Sorry if my english wasn't clear enough... It's not my native language.

From memory of the prerelease interviews it's actually the pad drift system that auto countersteers for you, whereas the wheel drift system leaves things alone and has the front wheels simply pushing back through the steering arms trying to find the path of least resistance into the direction of travel (eg. it "'steers' steers" rather than countersteers to meet the slip angle coming from the rear).

[DrugsDen]

From memory of the prerelease interviews it's actually the pad drift system that auto countersteers for you, whereas the wheel drift system leaves things alone and has the front wheels simply pushing back through the steering arms trying to find the path of least resistance into the direction of travel (eg. it "'steers' steers" rather than countersteers to meet the slip angle coming from the rear).

Think the main prob is you cant feel anything the cars doing with a wheel and you NEED TO! Cant feel that much in race mode tbh but its not as bad as drift

[Captain Slow]

The other thing that's needed in the drift mode is for the wheel to spin in the same direction of the tail when you let go, as demonstrated here

Kjaxez9OIX8

the other thing that needs to be addressed is the steering needs to be much lighter, so you can flick the wheel the way you're supposed to.

[khildram]

I managed to get a podium on all drift events with the wheel 8-)

I mainly used the stock Shelby Cobra. But i also used the Drift Alliance Nissan and a bit of the Falken/Monster Mustang.

It was hard but I did it, now I have 100% career, all with wheel. I changed the difficulty to easy for drifting, but I don't know if it makes the scores easier to beat.

[Jonzy]

it does, harder difficulty the challenges are raised up.

I wonder now that we know for fact that Toes in/out are reversed it could become easier to drift with a wheel.

[Sensekhmet]

I realy cannot do this. I even tried with keyboard. The car just snaps in the opposite direction and I cannot feel or learn when the wheel should be pointed straight or in the opposite direction to awoid a tank slapper/fishtail.
I cannot explain just how frustrated I am: I real life I've raced a little Renault and I've gone sideways on tarmac, gravel and snow. I'm not a pro and I'll probably never be but going sideways is NOT HARD OR FRUSTRATING, IT'S FUN AND EVEN A FAT IDIOT LIKE ME CAN DO IT. In real life, anyway.


* Note: it's not drifiting, just going sideways. If you link this in an RWD (or AWD car) you are drifing. But I cannot start linking it if I cannot catch a single slide once in 5 tries.

[SakuraBlack]

Drift in Shift 2 it's stupid. Front wheels have more grip than rear. This it's not real drift.
With my tweaking
Now i can drift with one hand on my Logitech Formula EX (3year old) and a beer in other hand.
I can drift with any 400HP+ standard car like SLS AMG with real sterring lock 36degree(62 lock to lock). I don't make very impresive drift just enough to overcome elite AI. Maybe with more power and sterring lock i could more...
For racing i use 10-15 degree for any track because now cars are at least 2x more reponsive than cars from original games.

[Kaerar]

It's really easy with a pad, not so with a wheel due to the auto-correct :(