View Full Version : G25 Pedals vs. Club Sport Pedals
vettefan3
13 April 11, 12:15
I am looking into getting the Club Sport Pedals as my G25's are pretty used up at this point. I know the build quality on the CSP's are better but I am wondering about the "feel" and "accuracy" of them.
I am using the nixim brake mod on the G25's just for reference.
Altrezia
13 April 11, 12:38
Build quality of the CSPs is worse, but some of the components are better, I've only had mine since november, but I've had to take them apart twice to replace rubber stops and broken bits. Not great!
The pedal throw is about twice as far as the G-series pedals, which is great for a bit more precision, and they do feel more racy. The brake feels nice, but takes a bit of getting used to.
If you post your location up, perhaps someone lives nearby will let you have a go? - If you're in the UK and down south you're welcome to have a go on mine.
I had my CSP for a long time now they are great. I would never go back to the G25 ones. The load cell and the precision IMO is a lot better then any of the G25/27 mod'd or not, short of using a load cell mod and other real expensive mod's. Also the construction of the CSP are top notch, all alum and solid. mine are any way. I am not a FANATEC lover either. I hate their wheels but I do like the CSP. One of the few best investments I got for sim racing.
Hitman_M3
13 April 11, 15:42
Build quality of the CSPs is worse, but some of the components are better
I have never inspected G25 pedals personally, much less opened them. But it's hard to believe that they can be better than my Fanatec ones, all fully built in metal and with magnetic pots. I'd like to take your word on that, but can you elaborate a bit more what is worser in the CSPs?
Altrezia
13 April 11, 18:39
Build materials in places - rubber that disintergrates with minimal use, badly exposed wires, plastic instead of actual bearings. I've had my G25 pedals since they were released (I pre-ordered the wheel) and they still work without fail whenever I get them out - yet my CSPs have been in bits twice in 6 months.
I love my CSPs, but, like all fanatec things, they're not perfect like some people make them out to be.
(Btw, I am a CSP + GT2 user, so I have no logi bias - my G25 is in my loft!)
rookiedaz
13 April 11, 18:56
Ok, that's one experience. Mine is that I've had my CSPs for about 18 months. In that time, once I'd got the brake setup correctly for my style, I have not had to touch them at all, not once. The price is a bargain as far as I'm concerned, but I appreciate that people who have had issues may feel different....
Hitman_M3
13 April 11, 19:11
rubber that disintergrates with minimal use
I can't find any rubber on them. Maybe you are referring to the separator inside the brake pedal clylinder?
badly exposed wires
Yes, that is a concern and I also find it quite unacceptable in a product that otherwise looks so solid. Myself however never had a problem with them ... *yet*
plastic instead of actual bearings.
Where? I inspected all axis and links and they are of metal. You mean on the inside of the axis?
In general, those bits you had to replace I guess were all inferior materials -plastic, rubbers- but are your pedals from a different generation?
Altrezia
13 April 11, 19:25
As I say, I bought mine new, in Nov 2010.
The rubber was actually inside the throttle cylinder container thing, but you're correct on the others.
I do really like the pedals, but they're just not perfect.
Hitman_M3
13 April 11, 20:23
The rubber was actually inside the throttle cylinder container thing, but you're correct on the others.
Thanks for clarifying :thumbup:
Reason I was asking is, because as you say, the peals are not perfect. So I want to know the weak links and be able to fix them myself. For example, I am planning opening them to add a bigger spacer in the brake, so it has shorter throw and is stiffer at the beginning instead of having to press it to the bottom, where you can't heel and toe correctly. So I will take the ocasion to replace all that crap you pointed out :thumbup:
vettefan3
13 April 11, 21:48
I believe they sell a tuning kit that will replace all the stuff mentioned with better parts. From looking at some videos the rubber seems to be kinda like what the nixim brake mod uses...confirm?
Yes, the CSPs have some issues (I've had mine over a month and already I had to take them apart to tighten up the clutch rod) and they have exposed circuitry and the FFB braking only works with 3 games and only when attached to the wheel. And tech support takes 1-2 weeks to answer emails.
That said... the CSPs are in a different league than the G25 pedals. The load cell brake is a miracle in terms of threshold braking.
Altrezia
15 April 11, 12:13
Glad to see it's not just me - and Guybo - I agree - they do FEEL fantastic to use.
Hitman_M3
15 April 11, 13:08
the FFB braking only works with 3 games and only when attached to the wheel
I don't have the wheel and yet the FF braking works for me (Not that it's much noticeable in the heat of the race anyway)
EDIT:
Yes the pedal tuning kit seems to provide brass pedal bearings, so I take the original ones are plastic ...
http://www.fanatec.de/webshop/new_eu/product_info.php?cPath=28&products_id=81&osCsid=d2b242ec819bba1fb73ba539c57ef28b
Altrezia
15 April 11, 13:44
The ones I mean are the ones in the bottom right of that box - 6 of them.
Hitman_M3
15 April 11, 16:15
Very clear now Altrezia, again thanks :thumbup:
Looks like ordering the kit is a good investment, only that being honest this all is what the pdeals should have had in first place! :angry::thumbdown:
vettefan3
20 April 11, 22:01
I just received my CSP and they cam with brass bearing, so I have extra's in that kit I guess.
I am wondering what the most realistic settings for the brake is? In terms of throw position, foam used, and brake bar used.
strtgng
20 April 11, 22:04
I just received my CSP and they cam with brass bearing, so I have extra's in that kit I guess.
I am wondering what the most realistic settings for the brake is? In terms of throw position, foam used, and brake bar used.
Yeah - I just got my CSP and they had brass bearings already. I posted on GT Planet and Fanatec replied that brass is now standard issue.
vettefan3
20 April 11, 23:14
Good stuff. My throttle pedal seems to have a side to side wiggle to it and is also "squeaky", the thing is though I put some CSP metal lube on it before I put it back together so I don't know what the deal is.
Mine has very little wiggle but it is squeaky. I just tune it out.
Altrezia
21 April 11, 08:29
Mine squeaks sometimes. As I said, great feel, bad quality :)
trotty88
21 April 11, 08:52
I moved my brake stiffer by one hole, and removed the gas pedal spacer, that was it in the end.
Hitman_M3
21 April 11, 10:19
I ordered the pedal tuning kit some days ago, so I can somewhen replace the bearings with the brass ones and get the longer brake pedal cylinder to reduce throw. I also wanted to try harder spring at gas pedal, so in the end it all was worth ordering instead of having the bits done here in a hardware workshop ...
If any of you has interesting in knowing anything about the kit (Size, stiffness, etc) post here and I will try to answer.
vettefan3
21 April 11, 14:33
I found out how to get rid of the "squeak", you need to lubricate the pivot point that the gas "bar" connects to the pedal shaft.
(**note: not my pedals in the picture")
vettefan3
21 April 11, 16:22
I ordered the pedal tuning kit some days ago, so I can somewhen replace the bearings with the brass ones and get the longer brake pedal cylinder to reduce throw. I also wanted to try harder spring at gas pedal, so in the end it all was worth ordering instead of having the bits done here in a hardware workshop ...
If any of you has interesting in knowing anything about the kit (Size, stiffness, etc) post here and I will try to answer.
If you find something you think is the bee's knee's let me know, I have torn this thing apart about 30 times looking for the right feel. Right now the brake on the short throw with the longest brake bar and the longest but softest foam seems to work really well.
Let me know though.
I've used my CSP's over a year, and they still work like new one. Haven't changed any parts or even lubed them. Before that I used over 2.5 years G25, nothing bad in those pedals either.
Have to say that I still hope that those CSP doesn't brake, F's support is maybe the worst from them all...
saguenay500
27 April 11, 06:19
I have the CSP since 3 months, all is fine, i am very satisfied with the feel it give. I have not bother to mesure how much tenth of second it removed compared to my G27 pedals...It just feel more like a real car brake pedal. Good for me.
There is one question: how long will last the load cell capsule,will it loose its sensibility, like needing to press harder to get the braking force. Time will tell.
eric
I recently received the replacement clutch pedal sensor it seemed to have done the trick and fixed my clutch. Fanatec sent it out after I tried a few other fixes that didn't work. Once the other fixes failed they suggested replacing the sensor and when I gave my address they sent it right out. It took a while for the process to happen- Fanatec does not answer emails quickly- but eventually they fixed the prob and I'm a happy camper.
I know this is my first post here, but I seen this thread and I felt I should share my thoughts on the fanatec wheel and pedals I tried out.
To start, I had bought a 360 just for forza 3 (my last 2 360's RROD OOW) and paid for the console, the game and then ordered a package from fanatec.
I got the base wheel, pedals and shifter and a stand.
I got the next day air options for $100 on the wheel.
The first day I got the wheel everything worked great, the second day the pedals (the plastic ones) started acting weired but not enough to make a big deal out of it. Mostly the clutch. (again the plastic pedals).
The next day (3rd day) my clutch pedal literally went up in smoke, white smoke came out of the pedals.
I called and emailed fanatec and was told I would be sent a set of tester CSP for free, but if I wanted I could try and fix the plastic ones my self.
About a week later I got my CSP and had not been able to fix the plastic ones (the pot on the clutch burnt up, and the pot on the brake went out) and guess what?
The CSP where dead from day one.
I tried adjusting the knobs on the pedals, I tried new firm ware (had to use my sisters 32bit OS), everything.
Could not get them to work.
Once again exchanged emails with fanatec for 3 days trying to get a solution.
The only thing they wanted to do was keep sending tester pedals and have me send the faulty ones back.
In that I send in the bad ones, they get them and then send me a new set.
No, I think not. I already paid out the arse for the wheel, a stand that never showed up until 3 weeks after I got the wheel and 2 sets of pedals that don't work.
Well, fanatec did give me a 100% refund. Even refunded all my shipping.
I didn't think I will EVER buy a fanatec product again, but I am looking at a wheel from them because despite all the issues I had the wheel was very,very good.
here is a link to one of the threads I made o the FM3 forums about the CSP, I also have pics some where of the plastic pedals when I took them apart.
If anyone wants to see them.
Very shoddy built for a $60 set of pedals, and the CSP where not all that impressive IMO either.
http://forums.forzamotorsport.net/forums/thread/3293037.aspx
The other things that bothered me was how loud the H-gate shifter was and how the shifter flaps felt.
Now, if they (fanatec) have improved the build quality I would say sure, the CSP would be great. But it sounds like they have not.
I've owned my CSP's for a couple of months now and have found them to be good quality for the money.
Mine are the later versions with the brass bushings fitted and the only changes i've made are removal of the spacer on the throttle pedal, moved the brake pedal to the right and up one hole for shorter throw which all helps with heel & toe.
Compared to my G25 pedals the load cell brake and higher pedal resolution makes them well worth the money.
I've owned my CSP's for a couple of months now and have found them to be good quality for the money.
Mine are the later versions with the brass bushings fitted and the only changes i've made are removal of the spacer on the throttle pedal, moved the brake pedal to the right and up one hole for shorter throw which all helps with heel & toe.
Compared to my G25 pedals the load cell brake and higher pedal resolution makes them well worth the money.
Its nice to see that they may have improved the quality, to be honest I would not care to save up for a new set of CSP if I knew they would work with no issues.
But I really want a G-27 but they are a bit higher than the base fanatec setup.
I have been wanting a good wheel for a long time now, since forza 3 came out.
I like the Fanatec CSP pedals a lot. I'm using them with my G25. I have the newest GT whatever wheel that came with the CSP's but I don't like it much. I may sell it since it was pretty "spendy" and is just collecting dust. If they broke or were stolen I would buy another set asap and would not like to go back to G25 pedals, although they really are not bad.
To sum it up, coming from G25 I think buying the CSP is money well spent but perhaps the wheels are not your cup of tea.
only changes i've made are removal of the spacer on the throttle pedal, moved the brake pedal to the right and up one hole for shorter throw which all helps with heel & toe.
EXACTLY the same I have done by now. Though I received recently the tunning kit and hop to find an even better setup with it.
Wingboot, using the same G25/CSP setup and i also have issues with the Fanatec wheels but i'm looking forward to the Clubsport shifter.
Hitman M3, may i ask what parts from the CSP tuning kit have you fitted and how it improves things?
I haven't yet added any parts from the Tuning kit, as I'm collecting the parts for an inverted mount and I will tune the pedals once I am building them in.
What I have done so far, without fitting parts from the kit yet, is the same you said and I quoted. I find now that the brake has too little initial travel, but heel and toe is greatly improved.
Same here on the G25/CSP combo. I just do not like the FANATEC wheels (I have two Turbo Ss). They just do not feel right with the slight lag you get with them with their belt drive. A friend says its seems more realistic in that the FANTAEC seems to mimic tyre sidewall flex...just BS IMO, but I guess some will like that.
My CSP are prob the 1st gen ones. I got the tuning kit also but never felt the need to use any of it (yet?). I have not had any probms with it for over a year now. One of the better buys for sim racing I invested in.
A friend says its seems more realistic in that the FANTAEC seems to mimic tyre sidewall flex
The problem is that the sim (If it's a good one) is already taking slip angle into account and theoretically has values set for the different tyres. The FF wheel instead has a fixed lag due to motor response and eventually belt elasticity under tension, which: 1) Adds to the one already built in the sim, enlarging its effect and potentially unbalancing what the designers intended, 2) Does not allow to replicate the difference in slip angle between different tyres for varied racing series.
In any case, I think the
Next year I'm thinking long and hard about getting GT3 wheel and the h-shifter with it. The problem is, the G25 is working great and I'm in love with this set up. :wub: LOL The only draw back to the G25 (actually 2) is that the shifter is starting to get a little dodgey and some gates (specifically 3rd gear) is starting to get wierd to shift into. and also, the G25 has always had the center sloppiness issue.
Guybo, next for me will be a new shifter maybe the SST/ Act Labs but i still think the G25 wheel is a great bit of kit and i'm struggling to find something to replace it!
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