Race3 -Snowy swiss4 with the Celica V1.1

[Pero_Grozni]

This will be our third points scoring race of RT rally season 2.
We will have a short hotlapping event based on teams(read about the Season2 announcement to know more).

Stage: Snowy swiss4 by Floreznzo-get it here (http://www.nogripracing.com/details.php?filenr=43) and here (http://www.nogripracing.com/details.php?filenr=44) are the texture updates
Car list: Toyota Celica V1.1 by YorT -get it here (http://www.nogripracing.com/details.php?filenr=699)

Rules:
We will use the usual RULES.
TT Realmod2005 is mandatory-get it here (http://www.nogripracing.com/details.php?filenr=671)
The competition starts on 15.2.2005 at 19:20 CET
The competition will stop on 20.2.2005 at 22:00 CET
You can check the time here (http://www.worldtimezone.com/).

Installation procedure(IMPORTANT!!!):
1: TT Realmod 2005
2: The car(no extra tires.ini needed for it as it is up to spec allready as it comes :) )
3: The track

And what is with the team now you ask?
Well all members must attend as this time we cant do substitutions for missing teamates as we all will be driving the same car. So please as many members as possible should attend. And the scoring bonus sistem is without meaning now-we have one class only so no bonus points.

Good luck and have fun :wave:
AND DONT FORGET TO USE SNOW TIRES

LEADERBOARD:(base for the drivers scoreboard)

1: Pero_Grozni..... 3:23.76 TheTireTeam
2: Midi.................. 3:24.16 Triumphant Trio
3: LethalOatmeal... 3:26.97 privateer
4: Ralph_B............ 3:31.80 TheTireTeam
5: Rallyfan............. 3:34.36 Triumphant Trio
6: BlaBla............... 3:35.62 Greensteads
7: vrmx................. 3:42.83 Triumphant Trio
8: Hakker.............. 3:45.14 Muffler Stalkers
9: Kiplali................ 3:46.64 Greensteads
10: GregoryB.......... 3:48.70 Greensteads
11: RedRacer.......... 3:51.28 Muffler Stalkers
12: YorT................. 3:53.56 privateer
13: Richard............ 4:11.58 privateer
14: Jim................. 4:13.13 British Empire Racing
15: Volvo142S....... 4:30.84 British Empire Racing

LEADERBOARD Teams:

1: Triumphant Trio.......... 37
2: TheTireTeam.............. 33
3: Greensteads............... 23
4: Muffler Stalkers.......... 12
5: British Empire Racing.. 3

Standings @ 22.30 CET 20.02.2005

[Volvo142S]

4:30:84
k'board/auto/yetis on

RWD on snow with a keyboard is a boring waste of time ... car is completely uncontrollable :down:

see you next race .....

[richard]

Whats the point in asking people what car they want, if you are then only going to choose the the car you want.

Nearly everyone said the Fiat 500

So we drive PG's selection instead :down:

[Hakker]

Hakker
Muffler Stalkers
tunnels on
time 03:55:86

[Pero_Grozni]

Ok-I am obliged to explain my choice.

First If you go look to the stage selection thread again you will see that car votes that were confirmed(Imagine was being his usual self-sarcastic) we get:
3 direct F500 votes (rallyfan, midi and BlaBla)
3 direct Celica votes (Hakker, Volvo142S, LethalOatmeal)
2 direct Ascona votes(Ralph and myself)

Please check the thread again-it really turnes out 3-3-2.
So F500 and Celica were on a tiebreak and as YorT's cars have not yet been raced I have decided to use it. I have said that it looks like F500, but than LethalOatmeal voted for the Celica so we had a tiebreak.

Please guys dont be mad at me sellecting the Celica on the tiebreak-I promise we will race them all. There are so many great cars that havent been raced yet and as we have traditionally sellected cars from the legends of RT carcreation I felt like we have been neglecting the "newcomers" and that it was time to show them our gratitude with racing their cars. I promise that we will drive the F500 in the near future.
But if you guys feel that I have been incorect in my sellections of cars and stages... please say so and sack me from my race organisator post :P

BTW: My personaly preffered choice for this race would be the Ascona and Sweden stage2. :cool:

[richard]

lt's no big deal and l don't want to make an issue of.

But Ralph and lmagine both said Fiat 500, Ralph said he would prefer the Ascona on a fast stage. :confused:

But lets just leave it at that.

[Pero_Grozni]

I posted in the Stage selection thread so let's continue this dissusion there :wave:

[GregoryB]

I was looking forward to the likul Fiat but the Toyo physics are spot on on snow.
A run to break the ice and see if I've got all the right files.
Fur coats on. 3.54.07

[Ralph_B]

Well, it was expected to race the little Fiat here, but after a few runs I don't think, the Celica is a bad choice. The physics of the updated version is really superb and I enjoy it very much, even I hate those damned tunnel in this stage. But that's not the car's fault. So here we go with a first fast bench to beat! ;)

Driver:Ralph.B
Team: TheTireTeam
Time: 3:41:07
Animals on - even there are none

Good luck,
Ralph.B :wave:



edit1: don't know, what's on with me - I alway have Finnland in my mind .... it's Switz!!! But of course drove on the right track, so don't be happy to early - the replay is valid! ;)
edit2: attachment nuked - better replay uploaded further behind in this thread

[gram]

I cant get under 5 mins :cry: Rear wheel drive on snow is nightmare for me :down: I keep crashing alot and spinning :down:

[Ralph_B]

I am a bit confused about all the complains about not getting the power on the road. Have you really mounted SNOWTIRES on your car? By default the game chooses graveltires according to the original stage. No wonder, if you spin with those socks. But perhaps the name of our forum is program: NoGrip! :D

[gram]

:twisted: I tried all the tyres ;), its hard for me to get grip I dunno why, and my throttle is not 100%, not even 50% :cry: I guess I better admit that I suck with rear wheel drive :twisted: :D

[Hakker]

Do the tapping game Gram! It helps! I can get under 5 mins. with my keyboard. Tapping! :P

And when I really want to drive I grab my Sidewinder :twisted: :D :wave:

[RedRacer]

I don't know what you have, guys - I really like this car/track combination. Everyone blames Pero for this choose - not me, thanks for this! :up:
Here is my first time, still plenty of room for improvements:

RedRacer
Muffler stalkers
4:10:09
Yetis on

Cheers,
Sigrid :wave:

edit:
forget about this one - better replay uploaded below

[Ralph_B]

Maybe, keyboard isn't a real blast for RWD's on slippy surfaces (apart from this the snowtires don't have much less grip than a gravel-tire on medium or soft gravel). Haven't tested, but the cars with realistic behavior perhaps are more difficult to handle like the a bit arcadish ones of the default game. Sorry to say, but we set our priorities on realism when making the realmod and didn't care for other steering-device than a wheel. I assume, this also is one of the reasons, why BB didn't use the full potential in physics for this game and concentrated more on playability under all circumstances than realistic behavior. Sorry, guys - but it seemingly can't be done right for everybody.

Greetings,
Ralph.B

[Midi]

3.35.76
Triumphant Trio
creatures on

First this car felt very odd but now i can say it's one of my favorites, great work :up:

better time uploaded

[BlaBla]

hmm, don't know if I have done something wrong or if I am really that fast. Hope I have a good time because I am that fast.

On snow I should have a big disadvantage with keyboard, but after driving 15 minutes I had a time of
3:35:62. With Keyboard. And of course with animals

[RedRacer]

RedRacer
Muffler stalkers
3:58:91

edit: better laptime available, so deleted this replay

[Rallyfan]

Improved time on my next post...

[Hakker]

10 secs off, still way too slow

Hakker
Muffler Stalkers
tunnels on
time 3 45 14

[Pero_Grozni]

I actually think that you KB guys have a lesser disadvantage this time as you have to keep a clean line if you dont want to crash and therefore if you ome into the finnish you also have a good time. :up:

For now my best run is:

PG
TheTireTeam
3:27.69 :ace:
With beasts :twisted: and IM :cool:

More to come-just need to put all the lines together and keep the rear end always in a slight slide. For now I have far to many understeery moments and that kills the time on the straights.

[Jim]

Just to check, do we install the 'snow switz physics.rtp' as well as the 'snow switz basic.rtp'?

I have to say that after a quick go its very hard to control, as soon as the car starts to slide, it instantly spins, but I didn't install the physics file that came with the track, so maybe thats why?

Downloading the texture update also, got some very funny looking tunnels and scenery.

How can I turn the headlights on also, its very dark in the tunnels...?

[Pero_Grozni]

Just to check, do we install the 'snow switz physics.rtp' as well as the 'snow switz basic.rtp'?

Downloading the texture update also, got some very funny looking tunnels and scenery.

How can I turn the headlights on also, its very dark in the tunnels...?

Yes you have to install the snow swits physics.rtp as well. This will give the surface the right behaviour and I think that you will get much better handling(I assume that you tested with snow tires and they dont work well on gravel-which is the normal surface and you have not overwriten)

The lights will get turned on automaticly with the update. And I deffinitly recomend the textures update as it looks really great :wave:

[Hakker]

Just to check, do we install the 'snow switz physics.rtp' as well as the 'snow switz basic.rtp'?

I have to say that after a quick go its very hard to control, as soon as the car starts to slide, it instantly spins, but I didn't install the physics file that came with the track, so maybe thats why?

Downloading the texture update also, got some very funny looking tunnels and scenery.

How can I turn the headlights on also, its very dark in the tunnels...?


Man, what have you been smokin'? :D you bet your *ss that a certain physics file has some effect at your spins ;)

And the headlight thing...I was wondering that aswell, until I found out that I smashed my headlights already in the first two tunnels :wave:

[Jim]

Hakker, I hate smoking! :eek: :P

But I have installed the physics file, and its fine now, the car feels really good. I originally didn't install it because I thought it would interfere with TT-RealMod!

I downloaded the texture update, but I still get strange looking scenery, most of it matches the the evening tone, but some of it appears as if its day time! (see attachment)

In the tunnel, the tunnel texture is light, but the track is pitch black! (see attachment)

Some bits of the track are also completely black towards to end, to the extent I couldn't see where to go!

Please tell me and Hakker how to turn the headlights on, they appear on, on the car, but when driving nothing is lit up! :smash:

Thank you,

[Hakker]

This is weird.....looks more like a videocard error! Overheating possible? :confused:

[LethalOatmeal]

3:34:32
I like this car and track
the speeds are quite realistic for winter tires without studs

replay deleted becasue faster later

[Ralph_B]

Hakker, I hate smoking! :eek: :P

But I have installed the physics file, and its fine now, the car feels really good. I originally didn't install it because I thought it would interfere with TT-RealMod!
........

Thank you,

Very strange! I've to agree to Hakker - it seems to be a problem of your grafic-card. I don't see any reason in the related files, that it shouldn't work propperly. To make shure, that the reason isn't a messed up instsallation perhaps install the trackfiles one again - first the basic files, then the physic-file and at last the additional textures. Best would be, to restore the original track_5 file from your cd before applying the new trackfiles from Florenzo. If you are not familiar with the restore-function of the bfz-manager you can also copy the RallyTrophy/Data/tracks/track5 file from the cd in the related folder of your RT-install and overwrite the current file. But be aware with this method, to remove the writeprotection of the copied file before patching it with Florenzo's files!
Otherwise try to change your grafic-settings, perhaps annother resolution or colordepth. Had a similar problem with annother game some time ago and changing the mentioned things above cured the problem.
For the question about physics: yes- even we mentioned in the TT-realmod readme not to apply any other physics-files, in this case you can do without thinking about. The files in Florenzo's track are not a new physics in general, they only point to the related surfacetypes and make the game recognize the surface as snow and not gravel anymore. The physics itself keeps untouched. Be shure, that we wouldn't have choosen this track, if it knowingly would mess up any part of the TT-mod.

Regards,
Ralph.B

[Imagine]

3:34:32


:OMG:
never thought that you will be faster and i did a few drives on it and can't brake 3:40.

what is wrong with you people and why are you so quick...
especially kayboarders like BlaBla and Rallyfan :confused:

there are no words to describe how much i hate this car/track combo :mad:

[Ralph_B]

3:34:32


:OMG:
never thought that you will be faster and i did a few drives on it and can't brake 3:40.

what is wrong with you people and why are you so quick...
especially kayboarders like BlaBla and Rallyfan :confused:

there are no words to describe how much i hate this car/track combo :mad:

Hope, you have installed the physics-file as well, guys! Otherwise you will still run on gravel-physics and that's invalid! As mentioned in my post above, this time it MUST be installed too, even the readme in the TT-realmod tells you something else! The file of Florenzo doesn't mess up the TT-physics and is compatible.

[Hakker]

Maybe it's a good idea to check all replays on that. Now I'm unsure too if everything installed correctly....:confused:

As for Jim's problem, I did have the same sort of stuff when my graphics card became too hot after some time of playing, it even messed up the menu's. If I dumped to my desktop for 10 minutes the problem was gone (for a while :P )

[Imagine]

i just try one more time end lost my will-maybe i just suck :o

now i have to calm myself with ferrari and one lap on ring :o

[Ralph_B]

i just try one more time end lost my will-maybe i just suck :o

now i have to calm myself with ferrari and one lap on ring :o

Have completely to agree - but it's not the car/track combination, it's simply the stage! :mad: It sucks and those f...ing unvisible edges in some tunnels, that throw you out of track without knowing exactly what you have hit, are nerv-killing. I really hated this track without end once we drove it last year with the Porsche, and I still hate it most of all ever raced tracks exept the old Wales-stage with those damned trees growing out of the road, no matter if it is on gravel or snow. Don't think, I will do much attempts to improve my current laptime. Really want to avoid expoding of anger ripping off my cars roof for the 100th time with an idiotic rock out of the tunnelwall, that you don't see while driving. :down: Can't stay this anymore!

[Rallyfan]

what is wrong with you people and why are you so quick...
especially kayboarders like BlaBla and Rallyfan :confused:


Well i concider my time and driving so far as complete cr*p, so i don't think that i'm fast...

Take a look at Pero's time, now that's what you can call fast :trophy:

And i'm sure that you can be a lot more faster, because you have usually beaten my times so far (for example on the Finland stage3, when we raced evenly matched cars)
So just go on and drive :wave:
And if it gets too frustrating, then hear some music while driving, i listened to some Bad Boys Blue and it helped ;)

[Ralph_B]

Ok, gave it one more try - but not quite shure if I want to repeat once more. As said, this stage sucks in competition and when fighting for each 10th second - apart from this I like the ambiente and great surroundings when not under pressure.

Ralph.B
TheTireTeam
3:35:02

[Jim]

Maybe it's a good idea to check all replays on that. Now I'm unsure too if everything installed correctly....:confused:

As for Jim's problem, I did have the same sort of stuff when my graphics card became too hot after some time of playing, it even messed up the menu's. If I dumped to my desktop for 10 minutes the problem was gone (for a while :P )

I don't think its over heating, never had problems with that before, its only a very low spec card, GeForce 4 MX440, and I've set the clock speeds about 3/4 of what they can be, and even tried with them really low, still no difference.

I just tried installing the track and texture updates again, still no joy. Maybe its a setting with my graphics card? Failing that its something wrong with the game settings? Also the car's darkness doesn't match the light settings, its still as bright as it would be in day light! Also the head lights are on yet I get no beams when driving, dispite having installed the texture updates, so something is wrong...

This is really annoying me, if anybody has any ideas or suggestions, they would be greatly appreciated. I just want to race, with normal surroundings, and being able to see where I'm going on the dark sections!

Thanks,

[Imagine]

Ralph,its not the stage becouse i love the tunnels :o

Maybe it's the car or the game itself...call me crazy but this is going so much on my nerves that i'm thinking to remove RT from my HD forever... :did:

So Midi & Rallyfan, be prepared to start looking for a new teammate :OMG:

[Pero_Grozni]

HEHE-GPL got the best of you Imagine.

Well-dont trust it too much. It is not as realistic as people belive it to be.

To get an objective view on everything stop comparing sims to other sims. Take a real car and try things out and than check sims. You will see that all sims are different than the real thing and that every sims does one thing good, but sucks on many others. It just depends on which property you want to have a bigger impact on the game.

[LethalOatmeal]

3:34:32


:OMG:
never thought that you will be faster and i did a few drives on it and can't brake 3:40.

what is wrong with you people and why are you so quick...
especially kayboarders like BlaBla and Rallyfan :confused:

there are no words to describe how much i hate this car/track combo :mad:

Thank You Thank You :bowdown: Imagine
your compliment has great meaning

I have installed all three of the Snow Switz files and the car does feel like its on ice (its sure feels like I have the right physics). I couldn't even make the first corner in the first tunnel the first three times I tried. So I tried the throttle tapping technique to do the track at extreme drift angles (I don't anymore). But I have had lots of practice with this type of driving in real life, I used to drive up to ski hills 5 times or more a week with non-studded tires, and often on unplowed roads. Really though I think GPL really helped me (I don't have to use full throttle to be fast)

[Imagine]

I can't anymore... :dood:

I allready see :chair: :slap: :argue: on me

I know that nothing is perect but I just lost the will to deal with things what bugs me here.I will allways find something what i don't like everywere-I even don't like physics of my Renault 19. :banghead: So becouse of that maybe i should play only that things what bugs me less and i can cope with...


First i thought that I just hate this stage/car combo but after a long thinking my conclusion was that it wasent it.I tried to set up my wheel with input.ini on so many ways but i just didn't get what i want. Most frustrating part was that FF becouse no matter how much i mess with wingman profiler it is allways just rumbeling and driving like that (or without it at all when i set a time of 3.35xx with a "crash") feels like driving blind compared to...
I don't like RT physics now and it seems that TT can't help.It have so many good things but that part in physics what i dont like is bigger and i can't play this way going around it. So unless Gram finds a way to hack the .exe and "fix" the physics on that way i'm over with RT becouse TT's messing with the .ini files is just not enought for me.

I guess i just get spoiled with GPL,RBR (i don't like 4WD's but i can't wait for some proper RWD in it ),LFS and now NR2003 whitch i tried and i must say that it is so f...ing good. :OMG: I could only wish that tires are modeled so good (i don't want that tires there ;) ) in GPL like in NR2003 becouse going in circles is not that fun.

Fun part of RT has gone for me so you should think (Midi and Rallyfan) to replace me ?

[Midi]

Well.. if you really don't want to drive rt anymore.. :( maybe vrmx could join us? But let's continue this at the team gathering thread.

[Imagine]

I will still leave it on my HD so that i can chek out all new thing like stages and cars ;) -i just lost the will for competitions becouse I can't frustrate myself anymore :(

[Rallyfan]

this is going so much on my nerves that i'm thinking to remove RT from my HD forever...[/b] :did:

So Midi & Rallyfan, be prepared to start looking for a new teammate :OMG:

You will not remove it, this is all Imagine-kind-of-talking i think (I hope :o )

Seriously come-on, this is supposed to be fun, (just like your GPL races i think) so forget the thought that you have to drive as fast as you can-just try to enjoy it ;)

And if you still get frustrated, then take some time off, this works for me as well it works to the rest of the world :D

So what do you think, are you still in the races ?

[Jim]

Imagine this game is fustrating, it fustrates me no end when I start the stage literally 100s of times and just can't finish it without getting stuck on something like a sticky tree or crashing (other races.) Sometimes I feel this game is far from being realistic, sometimes its just too 'spinny.' Then at other times it feels great, and the cars handle as you would expect in real life.

I agree though, this stage is bloody hard, and at times it feels like you're driving on ice. All I want to do it fix my headlights and textures, then I have have a proper run! :cry:

[Pero_Grozni]

Jim-try reinstalling normal swiss stages from the RT CD and than apply the snowy swiss mod. It could be that you had a messed up base(some tarmac swiss installed or?) In the worst case-reinstall.
On the other thought-try different graphics settings ingame. Try to go for max details and than work your way down-hope you get it working.

Imagine-I have replyed to you comments with a new thread as my post got a bit long for the comp thread. You will find it here (http://forum.nogripracing.com/viewtopic.php?p=23569#23569)

[Jim]

Thanks for the help Pero, will give that a try. :wave:

Despite my problems and being unable to see in some places, I just set a time of 4:13.13 which I'm quite pleased with (I actually finished the stage without crashing!) Quite a tame run, but I wanted to get a time. Will keep practising, and once I've fixed my minor problems, expect a quicker time! :D

[YorT]

Just remember guys it is only a GAME and the reason we race is to share the good and bad times with everyone.

As you can see I am much better car builder than a racer.

03:53:56

[richard]

l see that River logged on today........is he going to start rallying again?

[Ralph_B]

Imagine, I can understand your feelings about RT and specially racing. You may remember, I talked about retreating about half a year ago from races. The reason was a little different and my main frustration-factor was the unrealistic driving-style that came with the races, but also the incomplete physics at that time and that we mainly drove cars with partly unrealistic handling. And remember also, it was you who had some kind words and gave me back some motivation. I still hate to fight for 1/100 second and doing countless attempts driving "on the edge", smashing my car same countless times until one attempt is sucessfull. But I can dare with it now and stop driving when it begins to get boring.

Perhaps have some brake and don't take it to serios. No need to race if you don't have fun anymore. It's still a game and should be for amusement, not for ruining anyones nerves. I'm a bit sad about your plans to leave the team and RT-racing, but can understand your plans to quit. I only hope, you will stay away from the idea to delete RT completely from your HD and memory. You've always been one of the highlights here and and a fast and fair opponent. I really would like to see you here in future like in past, even you are more concentrating on GPL now. But don't forget good old RT completely. As said, perhaps a little break will bring you back the fun.

Greetings,
Ralph.B

[GregoryB]

Slight improvement. I like this stage/car combination. Animals on.
3.48.70

[RedRacer]

Sorry to hear, Imagine. We will miss you - but I think most of us will understand you. Hope, some brake will help to find back your way to us some day.

Have improved my laptime - so here is a faster replay than my last:

RedRacer
Muffler stalkers
3:52:28

Cheers,
Sigrid :wave:

final replay on the bottom of the page

[LethalOatmeal]

I just lost the will for competitions becouse I can't frustrate myself anymore :(

:OMG: losing your will for competition is like losing your will for life.
I don't know if you have a bike or car you can race around with, just go outside and do something physical with real thrills and spills (or just get drunk and dance like crazy), and come back to RT after you need a rest and bit of unwinding.
It would be sad to lose you and your multitude of apt comments :cry:

[LethalOatmeal]

oops :smash:
I better be careful what I say
the worst injury I've had in my life is from getting drunk and dancing like crazy

[LethalOatmeal]

3:29:44 :)

[LethalOatmeal]

3:26:97
I've got a bad cold and can't go out and play
I'm hope I'm healthier tomorrow, cause I need some real speed

[Imagine]

3:26:97


you must be kidding me :OMG: :bowdown:

[LethalOatmeal]

I watched Pero's replay and I think he can go 5 sec faster
He uses the gas pedal tapping technique, it may set up the car for drifting easier but it is probably slower out of the corners

[Pero_Grozni]

Great driving LethalOatmeal :wave: :trophy:
I will have a crack at your time tommorow as well as updating the leaderboard(sorry guys-I have been quite busy).

[LethalOatmeal]

I just lost the will for competitions :(

:OMG: losing your will for competition is like losing your will for life.


Steve McQueen said it best in the 1970 movie LeMans
"Life is Racing", Anything Else Before or After, Is Just Waiting"

I just got out on my bike for an hour and even though I have no speed now it felt good. Its too sunny a weekend to stay in again tomorrow to see all my split times green. If Pero takes his usual 5 to 10 seconds out of me I won't feel bad, I think I could go only about 2 seconds faster anyway

[Ralph_B]

I am really impressed from you in this event, LethalOatmeal! I watched the scene since a long time and I've noticed, that you have improved your skills a lot since last year. But that big step was unexpected! :up: Well, I don't like this stage - yeah, really hate it - and don't have the will to drive it over and over again to get a much better time. But even I would, I don't think I could beat your's! In the past I never had much problems to leave you far behind. My respect for this - I think it's worth to mention this phenomenal progress and LethalOmeal deserves a title like "straight-shooter of the year" or something else! :trophy:

Greetings,
Ralph.B

[Midi]

3.27.43
animals on

better time uploaded

[Rallyfan]

Looks like there is no way to beat some of you aliens :P :smash:

Rallyfan
Triumphiant Trio
3.34.36
All possibly imaginable creatures on
Keyboard

[Midi]

3.24.16
animals on
Triumphiant Trio

my last run

[richard]

4.11.58 animals on.
Tip toe around on the ice :down:

[vrmx]

So it seems like I'll be driving for Triumphiant Trio from now on and this drive is for the team.

- Celica
- 03:42:82 :(
- animals all over the place

This car was not really for me. I did many runs and after that I tried with the Cortina and was instantly faster with it (by a quite big margin).
And I've been more busy with GT4 :D. Off topic picture (http://vrmx.gt42.net/GT4/gt4_25.jpg)

[Rallyfan]

2 questions for PG :arrow:

1)why aren't you on the leaderboard?
2)Why is my name written with a small ''r'' there? :P :smash: ;)

[Pero_Grozni]

1-because someone else has to update my time(usualy Ralph)-otherwise I wouldnt be under controll
2-Sorry a mistake(will be corected) :wave:

[Ralph_B]

1. see above Pero's comment, who was slightly faster with answering while I was adding him.
2. corrected as well.

[Rallyfan]

1-because someone else has to update my time(usualy Ralph)-otherwise I wouldnt be under controll


Makes sence, i was just suprised to see myself in the top3 and then i didn't see your name on the leaderboard, so i decided to ask...

Btw am i the only one who doesn't hate the combination of this stage and car :smash:
I love this swow-switzerland, it's like Monte driven on snow, and the car :arrow: it might not be the best for keyboard players like me but i like the challenge that comes with it :twisted: ;)

[kiplali]

3.46.64 Animals off.

Kiplali

[Pero_Grozni]

Improving the time was much harder than I thought. Midi-you sure did a great run :up: :trophy:
I even broke my pedals yesterday and had to improvise a brake pedal spring. I think that the complete wheel will give up very soon :(

3:23.76 :ace:
With beasts :twisted: na AC/DC :cool:

[Ralph_B]

That's sick! :P And not even one scratch on the car - great drive, mate! Will update the results after uploading my last bid and RedRacers final run.


Ralph.B
TireTeam
3:31:80

[RedRacer]

Last one:

RedRacer
Muffler stalkers
3:51:28

[Rallyfan]

3:31:80

I tried and tried but i didn't manage to beat this time :bowdown: , how many times did you drive the stage before you made this time?

[Pero_Grozni]

Competition finnished-great racing guys :trophy:

Now we will have a week off. You can go and vote for the stageand car to use in our next race-this time I will count the votes properly :o :P :wave:

[Ralph_B]

3:31:80

I tried and tried but i didn't manage to beat this time :bowdown: , how many times did you drive the stage before you made this time?

Not so often after my former uploaded laptime, perhaps 7 or 8 times. As said, I hate this stage and initially didn't want to do any further runs. But then I couldn't resist and drove a few times more - and was able to improve a lot. Perhaps some better replay lower than 3:30 would have been possible, but after that sucessfull ride crashed a several times again and started to get angry - and quit immediately!

Im not shure how often I drove this stage in total. The snowy version definitifely never before our race, but of course the default one a lot more - and the track is the same, only different textures and annother physics. We had annother competition here last year with the Porsche 911 (and got in rage about the damned tunnels as well ;) ).

[gram]

I wanna apologize for not partcipating in this race, but I was really really struggling with this car and couldnt get time under 5 mins :cry: Im aware that my team will loose alot of points due to my absence in this race. I hope I will sparkle next time and bring the amount of lost points back :up: :wave:

[Hakker]

Yep, the big dilemma: I know I can be faster became very often I crash faster :D

[Ralph_B]

Thanks for participating, ladies and gentlemen - great racing everybody! Have updated the total-rankings after our 3rd event now. Please have a look and check your and your teams points. Please report, if something's wrong or somebody's missing like last week.

Greetings,
Ralph.B :wave:

[LethalOatmeal]

Btw am i the only one who doesn't hate the combination of this stage and car :smash:


This car and stage is good for me too for some reason. I think because I can drive it like I would realistically (minus the fear of crashing or scratching the bodywork) and I have driven lots on similar roads (but without the cliffs, only snow banks to hit). Some of the other RT cars I find very hard and the speeds are way beyond what I've experienced in real life. The speeds for the Toyota are very realistic to how I used to drive with unstudded winter tires.
Congrats Pero :trophy: . I watched your replay - it looks like you used a higher gear ratio and/or shifted to a higher gear more often.
I looked through the raw data for each car on teh RTBZF Manager and couldn't see how much power each car has (other than menu) or figure out at what rpm to shift. I see torque, but can't figure out at what rpm peak torque

[LethalOatmeal]

did the British Emprie team need a sub?

[Pero_Grozni]

To know where the peak tourqe is just check the engine.ini with the BZF manager.

Browse down and you will find something like this(this is directly from Toyota's engine.ini):

TorqueMax = 237.43;
TorqueCurveParams = 17;

Torque00 = {500, 0.31};
Torque01 = {1000, 0.55};
Torque02 = {1500, 0.68};
Torque03 = {2000, 0.76};
Torque04 = {2500, 0.82};
Torque05 = {3000, 0.88};
Torque06 = {3500, 0.925};
Torque07 = {4000, 0.96};
Torque08 = {4500, 0.98};
Torque09 = {5000, 0.999};
Torque10 = {5500, 1.00};
Torque11 = {6000, 0.97};
Torque12 = {6500, 0.92};
Torque13 = {7000, 0.86};
Torque14 = {7500, 0.81};
Torque15 = {8000, 0.700};
Torque16 = {8500, 0.000};
Torque17 = {9000, 0.000};
Torque18 = {9500, 0.000};
Torque19 = {10000, 0.000};

The numbers are: {RPM, Ammount of max tourqe or better said max tourqe multipliers}
So to check where your peak tourqe is, just look for 1.0 as this will give the engine the defined max tourqe. In Toyota's case this is at 5500 rpm :) \

BTW: I used shortest gearing, but did the most of the stage in fourth. The stage is too twisty to keep up long fast slides, so this was more effective for me.

[Midi]

I liked too this race, i drove the stage about thousand times :P

Always in the second place :down:

[BlaBla]

I couldn't race yesterday.
I played football with some of my friends and suddenly´I couldn't move my neck anymore. I was enabled to drive. Really wanted to get a top position this time again, but it was again not possible.
Today my neck is much better :wave:
But I think a 3:35 with keyboard and driving only 15 Minutes is quite good, as you were driving hours and hours with your wheels.

[Rallyfan]

...as you were driving hours and hours with your wheels.

Not all, i also use a k/b ;)

[Volvo142S]

did the British Emprie team need a sub?

Looks like it - dunno what happened to Nicky ! (Jim - any ideas ?)

I think our Canadian freind needs to come on board ...... :wave:

Depending when the next race is, I might be missing anyway - I will be on holidays for 3 weeks from next week ....

[LethalOatmeal]

Although "British Emprie" is quite imperialistic and I don't want to be thought of as a poor colonial breach cloth wearing heathen. I think Commonwealth is the current term.
Anyway, I still happily offer my services.

[Volvo142S]

Although "British Emprie" is quite imperialistic and I don't want to be thought of as a poor colonial breach cloth wearing heathen. I think Commonwealth is the current term.
Anyway, I still happily offer my services.

Cant say i disagree .... but we are talking HISTORIC rallying here ! :D

[Jim]

I don't think Nicky plays RT anymore, he seems to be obsessed with RBR! I've asked him so many times to come and race but he seems to ignore me! :( :mad:

Sorry I didn't get another drive, I've been in bed most the time, I hate illness. Its so annoying I haven't been properly well since the start of the year, just one illness after another! :o :cry:

Would be great to have LethalOatmeal to replace Nicky. Thanks for the offer. :up:

[Ralph_B]

I don't think Nicky plays RT anymore, he seems to be obsessed with RBR! I've asked him so many times to come and race but he seems to ignore me! :( :mad:

Sorry I didn't get another drive, I've been in bed most the time, I hate illness. Its so annoying I haven't been properly well since the start of the year, just one illness after another! :o :cry:

Would be great to have LethalOatmeal to replace Nicky. Thanks for the offer. :up:

So if you have done the "formalities" of a driver-change in your team, please post a short note in the "team-gathering"-thread. Will update the teams then.

Greetings,
Ralph.B

[LethalOatmeal]

shouldn't Nicky OK it before its official?

[Jim]

Yes, I'll try and get him to post here.

I don't think its about him disregarding RT, and moving to RBR, it seems he doesnt have time, and I know he is flat out with work all the time.

[nicky6r4]

I don't think Nicky plays RT anymore, he seems to be obsessed with RBR! I've asked him so many times to come and race but he seems to ignore me! :( :mad:

Jim i rarely get chance to play rbr at the moment either work. and i dont ignore you, its just that i have been working the last few sunday nights aswell as overtime and im absolutely shatterd when i finish my weeks work. If i had the time to play i would but i havent so i cant.

[Jim]

I understand mate, read my post above. :wave:

Sorry to loose you, hopefully BER (British Empire Racing) can have some consistent drives now and start to pick up some points. We don't want to finish last!