WMD Portal early access for NoGrip members!

[redi]

WMD Portal is open for a selected audience!

www.wmdportal.com
Password: testtest


Now why couldn't you have guessed that password? ;)

[freejrs]

Im in!!!!!!!!!!:-D

I thought you were lying redi!!!

[redi]

Im in!!!!!!!!!!:-D

I thought you were lying redi!!!

I could infract you for doubting me :nono:


:P :mrgreen:

[IronFly]

VIP member account done!

[freejrs]

All is forgiven.:-)

[edubz123]

:thanks:

Registered! I'm 'edubz' (gee!)

Hey guys, at first that "verifier" thingy didn't show me anything so you may have to hit "refresh verifier" to see the image.

Edit: Grr, when's that "email verification" gonna show up in my school account? Want to upload my Avatar NOW!

[ceth]

Now why couldn't you have guessed that password? ;)
Damn, I tested wmd - wmdportal - wmdportal.com - redi - ceth - ianbell etc., but not testtest :laugh:

[freejrs]

Ok I registered and I see play CARS now but how the hell do I download the beta?

[redi]

Ok I registered and I see play CARS now but how the hell do I download the beta?
You have to buy a tool pack first.

http://forum.wmdportal.com/toolpacks.php

The build download link will be at the top of the forum page.

[freejrs]

Riiiiiiiight.......maybe they could put a link to that on the first page rather than it being hidden away where no one can see it. :-)

Think I'll go for the 25000 euro option................:lol:

One question.........

If I invest 25 euro now can I increase my investment in the future?

[Mr. A]

So if I choose for example the 25€ option today, will I be able to just upgrade to a higher one later on?

Edit: Typing too slow as usual...

[edubz123]

cool info here:

http://wmdportal.com/projectnews/get-hands-on-with-cars/

[broken7]

pay to play beta ?

[edubz123]

pay to play beta pre-alpha ?

Fixed

[IanBell]

Get paid to play and become a part of the team.

[freejrs]

So if I choose for example the 25€ option today, will I be able to just upgrade to a higher one later on?



Ian, any info on this please?

[redi]

If you pay 25 euros now, then the next time you want to upgrade you only pay the price difference to the requested pack. So that would be 75 euros for Tool Pack 3, for example.

[Mr. A]

Ok, thanks! :-)

[freejrs]

Thanks redi. Just invested 25 euro. I am really, really excited about this!! :-)

[edubz123]

yeah we need a little guidance Ian. I reviewed Andy's pages but I'm still confused.

redi: What's the 'typical' steps we need to perform to get started and any interesting detours? PLEASE GUIDE US! (kthx)

(now I know what my mother feels like when I'm trying to teach her how to use her iPad2)

[redi]

It's being cleared up now on the Play Now! page :)

Steps:

1) Register on the forum
2) Buy a Tool Pack (http://forum.wmdportal.com/toolpacks.php)
3) Download the build (link at the top of the forum main page)

[freejrs]

It's being cleared up now on the Play Now! page :)

Steps:

1) Register on the forum
2) Buy a Tool Pack (http://forum.wmdportal.com/toolpacks.php)
3) Download the build (link at the top of the forum main page)

Now if someone had just put that on the front page I wouldn't have spent the last 30 mins looking around the site like a dumb bass.

:thumbup:

[gh69]

Okay, maybe I missed something. Build downloaded and try to install but "This installation is password proected"
Did I get given a password as part of registration and miss it??

Off I go to check .......

[edubz123]

cool, ok done.

edubz = 25 euro ($35 USD, what's the market FX rate?) 'Team Member'

I feel really special, too bad I'm stuck at work today. Contemplating skipping school tonight.

redi: Any word on when our accounts will get verified so we can post etc.?

(You & Ian doing a great job BTW on the turn-around time with the info/answers! Many thanks)

Ian: Any special 'perks' for your loyal Shift players? (I had to ask.)

[IanBell]

Okay, maybe I missed something. Build downloaded and try to install but "This installation is password proected"
Did I get given a password as part of registration and miss it??

Off I go to check .......

Check the builds section of the development forum ;)

[ocram]

25 Euros and downloading.


Okay, maybe I missed something. Build downloaded and try to install but "This installation is password proected"
Did I get given a password as part of registration and miss it??

Off I go to check .......

I am curious too about copy protection of the builds.

[freejrs]

Check the builds section of the development forum ;)

Nothing there except a blank page. ;-)

There are no posts in this forum.

I see this is almost like a little point and click adventure game just to get it installed...................except it's no fun at all and rather boring and tedious. ;-)

[gh69]

Check the builds section of the development forum ;)

Theres nothing there :?:

[YANNLEBLANC]

Hi,
ok i got it, i will try it soon :mrgreen::thanks:

[IanBell]

Theres nothing there :?:

Sorry, the builds section was just moved. The pass is going up in a forum post now.

[ocram]

I smell a rip-off.
Or maybe this was just a test about how easy it is to get money for nothing.

;-)

Nooo

Just kidding.

[redi]

There's a new posting with the password now.

The original thread was moved recently to a different forum section.

Welcome to a start-up of a complete new project ;)

[IanBell]

PS guys, we opened a little early just for you guys here at no grip. There will always be a few teething issues but we're on them instantly. Please keep posting issues.

[freejrs]

Finally it's installing!!!! :-D

Just like to say thanks for the oppourtunity to test this out and invest in the project. It really is an exciting prospect and while I am sure there will be many issues and problems along the way I look forward to seeing the title being developed in real time so to speak.

[gh69]

Sorry, the builds section was just moved. The pass is going up in a forum post now.

Sorted Cheers :thumbup:

[ocram]

I wonder if I should set up a single partition for installing the builds.

Will each build install on top like an update or will it be a complete reinstall?
And how big should the partition be?

[YANNLEBLANC]

"the term and condition" have too much pages :-P

[redi]

I wonder if I should set up a single partition for installing the builds.

Will each build install on top like an update or will it be a complete reinstall?
And how big should the partition be?

No, each build install requires the previous build to be uninstalled first.

[scca1981]

Will there be any actual in-game on-track footage posted? I'd like to invest but its hard to make that decision based on a couple screenshots that look like renders of cars in a garage.

[ceth]

So, maybe you can save me digging into the t&c: is there kind of a trial period before the end of which I can choose to grab my money back ?

(one may want to do that for any reason. Urgent need of this money, don't like how the project is driven, don't trust into the project after trying the firsts builds (or just don't like it), etc.)

So, any "trial" period ? Or not.

I'm not against investing but I'd like to be able to see how things go for let say a month, during which I could decide grab all my money back if I am disappointed by what I've seen, or for whatever other reason.

[BonoVox05]

Will there be any actual in-game on-track footage posted? I'd like to invest but its hard to make that decision based on a couple screenshots that look like renders of cars in a garage.


Yep, that's my problem too ! I might be too cautious, but it would be nice to see some of your work in action !

[cornishbrooksy]

i dont know how much im allowed to say here...but i invested...played the first build.

Mouth on floor, for something this early....its dam impressive.

[IanBell]

Yep, that's my problem too ! I might be too cautious, but it would be nice to see some of your work in action !

Take a mad punt for 10 Euros you should get back threefold. Go on.

[freejrs]

Well I see the Junior and Team Member investment options are no longer available????? :?:

Are you altering the price structure or something?

For 10-25 euros it would be mad not to invest. :-)

[IanBell]

Well I see the Junior and Team Member investment options are no longer available????? :?:

Are you altering the price structure or something?

Nope, all showing fine here.

[Gassolini]

I'm in :mrgreen:

Now looking for the "Game Design Overview" document that redi mentioned in the other thread....

Edit: I'm using my proper racing nick, "Gassolini", over on WMD.

DJ
--

[gh69]

Well I see the Junior and Team Member investment options are no longer available????? :?:

Are you altering the price structure or something?

For 10-25 euros it would be mad not to invest. :-)

Once you have purchased, the levels at which you are and below no longer are available to you, only those which you could upgrade to. Is this what you are seeing perhaps?

Edit: Oh and apart from no car textures (DX9, just black shapes, but I usually drive from bumper cam anyway) I too am very impressed. The driving is great so far.

[IanBell]

Once you have purchased, the levels at which you are and below no longer are available to you, only those which you could upgrade to. Is this what you are seeing perhaps?

Edit: Oh and apart from no car textures (DX9, just black shapes, but I usually drive from bumper cam anyway) I too am very impressed. The driving is great so far.

The cars should be fully textured. That's a bug. Please post about it in the QA forum.

[redi]

Once you have purchased, the levels at which you are and below no longer are available to you, only those which you could upgrade to. Is this what you are seeing perhaps?

Edit: Oh and apart from no car textures (DX9, just black shapes, but I usually drive from bumper cam anyway) I too am very impressed. The driving is great so far.

Sounds familiar, like the black textures bug in Shift 2. Do you have an ATI graphics card?

[sagedavid]

Is it possible to invest between 1000 and 25000 (doesn't seems) ?
Or should I invest in the name of my wife and son 3x1000 ?

Gonna download ;)

[gh69]

Sounds familiar, like the black textures bug in Shift 2. Do you have an ATI graphics card?

As it happens I do :laugh:

[edubz123]

Well I see the Junior and Team Member investment options are no longer available????? :?:

Are you altering the price structure or something?

For 10-25 euros it would be mad not to invest. :-)

you can't see them because you're already at the "Team Member' level.

I have the same as you. Only see "Senior" and higher now.

[ocram]

Aside from the black shadows, black car and black interior (incl. black windscreen), I am positively surprised. Especially about the FFB and the global graphics. Better than Shift(2)!

BTW, nvidia here, latest drivers etc.

[edubz123]

performance?

[IanBell]

Aside from the black shadows, black car and black interior (incl. black windscreen), I am positively surprised. Especially about the FFB and the global graphics. Better than Shift(2)!

BTW, nvidia here, latest drivers etc.

Please try DX9 chaps. For now DX9 and 11 are all but identical apart from performance. Turning off dual GPU where it applies can also help.

Plus each build will have different issues. Some might not work at all. It's all part of the development process we're working on together.

[ocram]

Running it in DX9 / WinXP Sp3, single GPU.

But thats what testing is for, finding bugs.

[edubz123]

In the meantime, Good God, check these out (2mm FTW!):

http://forum.wmdportal.com/showthread.php?53-Bologna

ocram: would you mind posting your PC specs? Just trying to determine if I will experience similar issues w/ my ATI single GPU when I get home tonight.

[Gabkicks]

Awesome :) I have an interview for a job today and if I get it, I'll invest 25 at least.

I think it Should be noted on the page that you can upgrade later and the difference from what you payed earlier will be deducted from whatever level you upgrade to. Maybe it is mentioned and i'm just Blind. :)

[sagedavid]

Maybe I'm silly, but I don't found the way to download the game...

[edubz123]

Maybe I'm silly, but I don't found the way to download the game...

dude, there's a gigantic link right at the top of the main forum page.

did you register & purchase toolpack?

[redi]

Maybe I'm silly, but I don't found the way to download the game...

When you registered and bought a tool pack, the download link is at the top of the main forum page.

[sagedavid]

Oki, thanks ;)

Gonna read terms and conditions tonight ;)

[freejrs]

you can't see them because you're already at the "Team Member' level.

I have the same as you. Only see "Senior" and higher now.

Oh right.....silly me. :-)

Just tested a few cars out on track. Running on WinXP 32bit specs:

E8500 @3.16ghz
GTX 460 1GB
3.25GB RAM

Runs quite well on medium/high settings. Some of the lighting effects look really nice and the car models are very impressive indeed.

Had some weird FFB effects though................when stationary in the garage the wheel turns all by itself from side to side. Also some odd effects around the centre of the wheel's rotation......like the forces disapear for a second or it pulls you off centre breifly when turning into or exiting a corner.

Overall pretty impressed for this early stage of development. There is clearly MASSIVE potential here.:thumbup:

[ocram]

In the meantime, Good God, check these out (2mm FTW!):

http://forum.wmdportal.com/showthread.php?53-Bologna

ocram: would you mind posting your PC specs? Just trying to determine if I will experience similar issues w/ my ATI single GPU when I get home tonight.

Interesting link. Nice to finally see the car I was driving in all the time. ;-)

WinXP 32bit SP3
C2D @ 3,8 Ghz
570 GTX
4 GBRAM

I tried various ingame settings with and without AA but the black was always there.

[redi]

Oh right.....silly me. :-)

Just tested a few cars out on track. Running on WinXP 32bit specs:

E8500 @3.16ghz
GTX 460 1GB
3.25GB RAM

Runs quite well on medium/high settings. Some of the lighting effects look really nice and the car models are very impressive indeed.

Had some weird FFB effects though................when stationary in the garage the wheel turns all by itself from side to side. Also some odd effects around the centre of the wheel's rotation......like the forces disapear for a second or it pulls you off centre breifly when turning into or exiting a corner.

Overall pretty impressed for this early stage of development. There is clearly MASSIVE potential here.:thumbup:
What wheel + driver version?

[cygnific]

Thanks for this opportunity. Just signed up for 25,- and i'm sure it will get higher as it seems to be a very nice project allready. :thumbup:

[edubz123]

11-10-11

Would have been an interesting numerology trick if Ian opened up the portal a month later and CARS would have been born on 11-11-11 (unless that a bad omen)

I know some cultures (Chinese?) have a lot of faith in this kind of stuff.

[freejrs]

What wheel + driver version?
G25. Logitech Driver V. 5.09 I think.

I think I eliminated the problem a bit.......

By default "steering deadzone" is set to 1%. Putting it to 0% seemed to fix things somewhat but the FFB still feels a bit "rough" at times. I'll have to play with the strength and damper settings a bit more.

Also I set the rotation to 900* in the game menu but sometimes it reverts back to 360* If I leave the game or come back to the menu from being on track. I did notice the wheels stopped turning after 180* each way in game but maybe that was just the car I was in.........


Just tried the Lionus 77 beast on Conneticut and I was pretty blown away by both the track and the car. Most laps were spent open mouthed and wide eyed at the graphics, sounds and feeling. Really nice.:-):-):-):-):thumbup:

[ceth]

So you don't want to answer my question ? Is it taboo to ask if there is kind of a trial period during which you can decide to get out of the project and retreive all the invested money ?

Sorry but I think this is really an important point to be answered. I remember this question has been asked in the other thread already, but I can't find it back with Ian's answer. From what I remember, Ian's answer to this was something like "why would you want your money back to loose any profit you could make".

More precisions needed please. Can we "test the system" (wmd project) without investing money that will be necessary lost (or blocked, at least, if you prefer to say it like this).

I see the answer coming: just invest the minimum, 10$ is nothing, and if you like how things go then invest more.

Is this the answer to my question ? No way to see how the project is driven without spending 10$ you know you couldn't get back if you don't like what you've seen during the first few weeks after you entered the project ? (and I'm not necessary talking about the game's built here, but also how discussions between SMS and investors goes, who got the main power among investors and where those power investors could drive the game to)

[freejrs]

That's pretty much it. If you can't spare 10 Euro to try it out then I don't see why SMS should offer it for free.

Seriously I don't see your concern. I have been driving some laps and it is definitely worth 10 euro of your cash just to try it out.

[ceth]

That's not a matter of not being able to spend 10€ freejrs, but a matter of principle to be asked for "blind investing".

Pay first if you want to see how we drive the project, how we listen, or don't listen to suggestions made (and that's 25€ min to be able to suggest things), and if you don't like what you see you can go away but we keep your money. I don't like that method if this is really the only option offered.

SMS have made a huge terms & conditions (which early investors here have signed without reading), and atm I'm just asking one simple question without getting any answer.

[brabham67]

That's not a matter of not being able to spend 10€ freejrs, but a matter of principle to be asked for "blind investing".



Yet we all do that on a daily basis. Take the example of going to the cinema to see a film. You read all the reviews, your friends recommend it to you, so you drop the $10-15 to see it and are disappointed. You don't get you money back all the time. The same can be said for the first outing at a new restaurant, coffee shop, ect. At least with this there is some return on the investment in seeing a game being developed before your eyes.:thumbup:

FWIW, I haven't bought in yet, but will likely do so later today.

[edubz123]

That's not a matter of not being able to spend 10€ freejrs, but a matter of principle to be asked for "blind investing".

Pay first if you want to see how we drive the project, how we listen, or don't listen to suggestions made (and that's 25€ min to be able to suggest things), and if you don't like what you see you can go away but we keep your money. I don't like that method if this is really the only option offered.

SMS have made a huge terms & conditions (which early investors here have signed without reading), and atm I'm just asking one simple question without getting any answer.

I was on the fence like you. The low entry price helps mitigate the risks. I think there's more upside gain than downside risk.

They've already proven pretty helpful in just the first few hours. I raised a suggestion to "disable crowds via menu option" and Ian +1'd it quickly and it's on the way. Amazing feeling being able to talk freely with these guys.

Just jump in man, the water feels great.

[Xtra]

That's not a matter of not being able to spend 10€ freejrs, but a matter of principle to be asked for "blind investing".

Pay first if you want to see how we drive the project, how we listen, or don't listen to suggestions made (and that's 25€ min to be able to suggest things), and if you don't like what you see you can go away but we keep your money. I don't like that method if this is really the only option offered.

SMS have made a huge terms & conditions (which early investors here have signed without reading), and atm I'm just asking one simple question without getting any answer.

That´s exactly what i´m thinking about the whole story for now.
I could understand, when i have to pay for the weekly builds, but i dont get it, that i have to pay for the forum access.


Another thing: i have to pay somebody to translate the terms and conditions for me and then i have to pay somebody to proof it for me because i do not understand everything what is written there 100% (im not a lawyer).

That means, i have to invest min 300-400€ here in germany, that i can understand what they want to say with their "terms and conditions".


If you (SMS) want to have menbers worldwide, the english version of your terms and conditions is not enough...



Don´t get me wrong, i have no problem with paying for the whole thing, but actually, i dont know what i´m paying for!!!;-)


Take the example of going to the cinema to see a film. You read all the reviews, your friends recommend it to you, so you drop the $10-15 to see it and are disappointed.
Actually i have to pay at wmd, that i can read the reviews, the users have there ;)

[gears]

I'm having the same wheel problems so I've made a wheel settings thread in the WMD forum.

One thing I've figured out is you need to uncheck "allow game to adjust settings"

[ceth]

@brabham67: of course in many occasions in life you have to pay first because you are not able to test.

You can't test a movie and only pay if you liked it (you can watch trailer though, so at least we should be provided some videos for cars).

You can't test food and only pay if it is good. Well... not really. If the food is abject you can refuse to pay. And sometimes you are offered to taste some food too.

And we are speaking about a product that is consumed here, which means it disappears when you test it. And this is not the case for CARS. SMS wouldn't loose anything by providing this first build for free (not even bandwidth as P2P exists), and they wouldn't loose anything by giving free access to the forum so everyone could see how things are going before deciding to invest in this project.

So I see no reason why they wouldn't do that.


@edubz123: thank you for your feedback. I trust you but still, I don't like the method. Just that could restrain me from investing. I never pre-purchase games, and I never buy games without trying myself before, so asking me to blind invest in CARS is going against my principles (even if some may find this principles silly).

I really liked to invest (money and time), otherwise I wouldn't have been following wmd topic for so long, but I don't like much the actual approach. Ian told WMD's goal was to do things in a different way, to get the community involved in development, and he starts his project by copying the industry standard: pre-purchase the game to gain access to the beta.

Also, as stated in the other topic I agree with Xtra it should be nice to be provided translated terms & conditions in a few other popular languages.

[brabham67]

@ ceth There is nothing wrong with being frugal, critical, or skeptical. I suppose its easy for me to drop 25Euro's ($35) on a taste of what is to come. Compared to what I have into iRacing its a drop in the bucket. I suppose we all look at it differently, though.

Good luck!

[Mahjik]

So I see no reason why they wouldn't do that.


Maybe they don't want to? It is after all their project. You've made your point that you would like a free demo. Whether they decide to eventually do that or not is up to them. Personally, I don't see why they would. All it's going to do is open up the door for criticism from users who have no intent of ever purchasing the product. Requiring payment means they'll get constructive criticism from consumers who are genuinely interested in helping develop the project. It's one way to filter the noise and also a way to gauge 'real' community interest.

[ceth]

Of course that's SMS project and SMS decision to drive it how they want. I'm just giving my personal opinion about it here (which will be heard or not. Atm I'm not even getting an answer if there is a test period or not).

Now I don't agree when you say they would open the door to criticism. Seriously, with that kind of graphics I don't think many negative critics would raise up from the racing game community. Don't you think so ? And even if it was criticized, it wouldn't be made on their beta forum as the suggestion is to make it open for read-only.

Anyway keeping it private won't prevent people to criticize if they want to. They can do it after infos/content have leaked (and there is no doubt it will, as it does for any beta). In fact, people can even criticize without knowing anything about the build/forum content.

If SMS trust in what they are doing, transparency shouldn't be a problem. And my opinion is the project may attract more investors if people could have a look at the forum before deciding to get in the project. No even need to open it all, just making read-only the main section and keeping others private would give potential investors the ability to have a look at what is happening.

[gears]

I really liked to invest (money and time), otherwise I wouldn't have been following wmd topic for so long, but I don't like much the actual approach. Ian told WMD's goal was to do things in a different way, to get the community involved in development, and he starts his project by copying the industry standard: pre-purchase the game to gain access to the beta.



I really don't understand.

It was clear, very clear from the beginning that you would have to invest to get the developer builds.

I don't see why on earth anyone would think you could get those builds for free??

Maybe you confused the final product being free-to-play with the investor builds, I don't know.

But it was always clear to me that you would have to invest to get in on the developer builds.

And as for the forums???? When I signed up this morning, I could see and read the forums before I spent one dime???

[AndreiRS]

I'm in, I'm also very "out of money" now so 25e is what I can go for these days. Man this is looking amazing, this is going to be awesome like when multiplayer games appeared.

[Xtra]

I really don't understand.

It was clear, very clear from the beginning that you would have to invest to get the developer builds.

I don't see why on earth anyone would think you could get those builds for free??

Maybe you confused the final product being free-to-play with the investor builds, I don't know.

But it was always clear to me that you would have to invest to get in on the developer builds.

i agree, it was clear you have to pay to use the latest builds, but how Ian stated on the beginning, it sounded to me like it´s an investment and you get a refund.
But actually, how i understand the (english) "terms & conditions" you pay for beta testing!!!

Dont get me wrong, i have already donated 25€, whilst i dont know exactly what im getting for...
Another thing is, i want to invest more money, but im not sure, what i get for...

And as for the forums???? When I signed up this morning, I could see and read the forums before I spent one dime???
nope, without paying, you can not read the newest posts, they are "private"

[ceth]

@gears: because I've not asked for the builds to be released for free (but 1st build, why not).

Read again my first post, what I exactly asked was if we could enter the project (so by paying at least 10€) and have a period (a few weeks) during which we could decide to get out (and retrieve the invested money spent to enter) if we don't like what we see (= how the project is driven, and/or because of where it could go because of power investors asking for things that I don't agree with. Imagine I enter the project thinking the handling will be sim oriented, and then I see the majority of the investing power is asking for an arcade gameplay on the forum. Sorry but if I see that I don't want to stay, and I don't want any of my money to be used for that. Just an example).

[Micas]

I'm a bit confused here because the investment tiers aren't what we talked about before. The 25000 € (Senior Manager) is not enough. Being an American, I need to ask if that is English pounds or Euros? If it's English pounds, that's about $39,000 US and in Euros (which I think it is), that's about $34,000 US.

I was debating going with either $50,000 US up to $75,000 US. What should I do? Also, for that much money, I'm guessing I should use Paypal? There's no way I want to roll that through a Visa and such.

I still need to read the terms and conditions, but just skimming it at the top, this stood out.

THIS IS NOT AN INVESTMENT OPPORTUNITY.
PLEASE DO NOT GET INVOLVED IF THAT IS WHAT YOU THINK IT IS – IT ISN’T.

I'm not sure if this is just a semantics issue or what. People don't throw rather large sums of money at somebody without the rules of investing being applied to it. But, as I said, I haven't read the terms so maybe I'll have more issues after reading it a few times, or maybe everything will be just peachy.

Oh.. and nobody try and talk Ceth out of not participating. Let him save his 25€ for something else. Please.. for all that is holy..

[redi]

If SMS trust in what they are doing, transparency shouldn't be a problem. And my opinion is the project may attract more investors if people could have a look at the forum before deciding to get in the project. No even need to open it all, just making read-only the main section and keeping others private would give potential investors the ability to have a look at what is happening.

That is exactly how the forum is set up.

[Xtra]

That is exactly how the forum is set up.

nope, if you have not paid, you can not read the privat threads (what are almost all)!!!

All you can read are the "welcome at wmdportal" (etc.) threads, but nothing related to the game itself...

[redi]

i agree, it was clear you have to pay to use the latest builds, but how Ian stated on the beginning, it sounded to me like it´s an investment and you get a refund.
But actually, how i understand the (english) "terms & conditions" you pay for beta testing!!!

Dont get me wrong, i have already donated 25€, whilst i dont know exactly what im getting for...
Another thing is, i want to invest more money, but im not sure, what i get for...


nope, without paying, you can not read the newest posts, they are "private"

I'm a bit confused here because the investment tiers aren't what we talked about before. The 25000 € (Senior Manager) is not enough. Being an American, I need to ask if that is English pounds or Euros? If it's English pounds, that's about $39,000 US and in Euros (which I think it is), that's about $34,000 US.

I was debating going with either $50,000 US up to $75,000 US. What should I do? Also, for that much money, I'm guessing I should use Paypal? There's no way I want to roll that through a Visa and such.

I still need to read the terms and conditions, but just skimming it at the top, this stood out.



I'm not sure if this is just a semantics issue or what. People don't throw rather large sums of money at somebody without the rules of investing being applied to it. But, as I said, I haven't read the terms so maybe I'll have more issues after reading it a few times, or maybe everything will be just peachy.

Oh.. and nobody try and talk Ceth out of not participating. Let him save his 25€ for something else. Please.. for all that is holy..
The reason it's not an investment is... because it isn't. Legally speaking. You pay to get access to the dev forum and the builds, and when the project finishes and starts giving revenue, you will get paid for your participation in the development process. That's a guarantee. That's not investing, and it avoids a huge sh!tload of legal nastyness.

That's also the reason why there are only 5 tier levels with a max value of 25000. To avoid the investment legal hoo-ha.

[ocram]

Short question, are we allowed to install one build (or different builds) on different machines / different systems at the same time? I have WinXP and Win7 here on the same machine.
Or should I use Win7 only and use fallback to DX9.

[Xtra]

The reason it's not an investment is... because it isn't. Legally speaking. You pay to get access to the dev forum and the builds, and when the project finishes and starts giving revenue, you will get paid for your participation in the development process. That's a guarantee. That's not investing, and it avoids a huge sh!tload of legal nastyness.

That's also the reason why there are only 5 tier levels with a max value of 25000. To avoid the investment legal hoo-ha.

I´m not really sure, if this - let´s call it investment model - is the same in every country. I´m not a lawyer, but how i understand the (english) "terms and conditions", if i pay 25000 € i get special VIP access to several contents, but more i don´t read there.

So far, if this is not 100% clear, i will abstain from invest more then my actually paid 25€!!!

[Micas]

Wait.. so if I want to go more than 25,000 euro, I have to create 2 personas or somehow route money through a relative? That "legal hoo-ha" is what we in the "normal world" call "how business is done".

What they should really do is let me buy the 25,000 tier and as many of the 1,000 tiers as I want until I get up to the dollar amount I had in mind.

So instead of working out all the issues related to the "legal nastyness" they just bypassed it all. Hmmm.

The terms and conditions is massive.. will get back to this later.

[redi]

Short question, are we allowed to install one build (or different builds) on different machines / different systems at the same time? I have WinXP and Win7 here on the same machine.
Or should I use Win7 only and use fallback to DX9.
You are free to do as is needed for you ;)

[redi]

Wait.. so if I want to go more than 25,000 euro, I have to create 2 personas or somehow route money through a relative? That "legal hoo-ha" is what we in the "normal world" call "how business is done".

What they should really do is let me buy the 25,000 tier and as many of the 1,000 tiers as I want until I get up to the dollar amount I had in mind.

So instead of working out all the issues related to the "legal nastyness" they just bypassed it all. Hmmm.

The terms and conditions is massive.. will get back to this later.

Contact Ian, he'll tell you what is and isn't possible.

[redi]

I´m not really sure, if this - let´s call it investment model - is the same in every country. I´m not a lawyer, but how i understand the (english) "terms and conditions", if i pay 25000 € i get special VIP access to several contents, but more i don´t read there.

So far, if this is not 100% clear, i will abstain from invest more then my actually paid 25€!!!

For 25000 you get access to special content, privileges to get personal touches/things/designs/skins into the final game, your opinion has a large weight in the decisionmaking about the game's content, and finally you'll get paid a lot of money from the game's revenues.

[ceth]

That is exactly how the forum is set up.
Really ? I'm going to have a look again then. Because when I've checked earlier I couldn't see any post.

[Xtra]

and finally you'll get paid a lot of money from the game's revenues.
Where did you read that? Not in "T & C", but this can also be a translation problem.:mrgreen:

Sorry, if i spam here :-P, but that´s not really clear to me...


For now i will stop talking about this subject here, before i have a reliable translation...

[ceth]

Oh.. and nobody try and talk Ceth out of not participating. Let him save his 25€ for something else. Please.. for all that is holy..
Keep your opinion about me for you Mr 75k :sleep:

[Micas]

Where did you read that? Not in "T & C", but this can also be a translation problem.:mrgreen:

Sorry, if i spam here :-P, but that´s not really clear to me...


For now i will stop talking about this subject here, before i have a reliable translation...

You might have put a smiley face emoticon next to it.. but that's actually a serious thing. An employee of SMS just promised us all that we would "get paid a lot of money from the game's revenues."

While I'm sure that will be the case, otherwise I wouldn't be doing this, we do need to be careful how we phrase things. Not trying to be an ass about it.. but you know.. I have a sensitive job also and that comes with a laundry list of things I cannot talk about. ;-)

I gotta stop reading this forum until I can get through the T&C. It's quite large.

[ceth]

That is exactly how the forum is set up.
I've just checked again, no access to any of both general forum posts (neither in the general forum, neither in the general discussion sub-forum of the CARS section, which is the one that would let non-investors have a first look inside if they could access it in read-only mode).

Only News & Announcements, which is useless as there is no discussion between devs/community managers and investors here.

[Xtra]

and when the project finishes and starts giving revenue, you will get paid for your participation in the development process. That's a guarantee.

4.7. NO WARRANTY OR REPRESENTATION IS GIVEN AS TO WHETHER ANY REVENUE SHARE WILL BE PAID TO YOU.

imho this is the complete opposite of what you are writing here ;-)


Enough blaming here :-), for me the 25 € donation i have done yet is all at this point.
If the the game is out sometimes, and it is at my liking, i will buy it (or some of the available content), but as an investment it´s nothing for me....

[Micas]

Read again my first post, what I exactly asked was if we could enter the project (so by paying at least 10€) and have a period (a few weeks) during which we could decide to get out (and retrieve the invested money spent to enter)

I think after finishing with the T&C, I might start a new thread just for that.. but because you asked the question, according to the T&C, no, you cannot cancel your "order" and get your money back.

3.8. WMD Membership is a service that commences when WMD makes any of the Benefits described above available to you, following which you shall not be entitled to cancel your Order

[ceth]

Thanks Micas ;-)

(but don't think this may save you from having to bear me in a near future :mrgreen: Be reassured though, I guess I won't consider getting in until the MP feature is implemented. By this time I'll keep an eye on what you could find by digging into the t&c, as I never said I wasn't considering investing (way) more than 25€. Going back to t&c reading too now).

[Micas]

Ya.. I finished reading the T&C and there's a lot to discuss. I'm going to take it to a new thread specifically for that. It'll probably take me about an hour to write up the op.

[Littlefastboy]

I read the T&C and for me there is no guaranty to see any money back. That is true for most investments, so it should not be a no-go, but nevertheless reading the T&C it is impossible to forecast/compute/estimate any return on investment. We have to faith completely what Ian wrote here. That is not a reasonable way of investing, so indeed the T&C statement "this is not an investment opportunity" is completely true. I am sorry but nowadays it is not possible to trust blindly anyone. I would like to believe what Ian wrote on this forum, but from what is written black on white in the T&C, I can't invest more than few bucks.

[brabham67]

I would like to believe what Ian wrote on this forum, but from what is written black on white in the T&C, I can't invest more than few bucks.

True. My philosophy has always been, "only spend what you can afford to loose." I bought in at the 25Euro price. I can't see getting in any deeper than that.

[marcusarillius]

Just wondering is the 25 euros a once off payment or do you have to pay monthly/yearly?

[kligson]

If you want to truely "invest", there's also this link (http://www.wmdportal.com/investors/) to look at.

[brabham67]

Just wondering is the 25 euros a once off payment or do you have to pay monthly/yearly?

One time payment. I would not have bought in at that price if it were monthly(which would make iRacing cheaper!!).

[-=Prodrive=-]

I've signed up, €25 for now. Will see what its like when it downloads.

[marcusarillius]

Going to pay the 25 euros tomorrow. Looks great!!
Some videos uploaded here...

http://www.virtualr.net/c-a-r-s-goes-live-with-first-previews-development-build/

[Kaerar]

WOW looks like I missed the start! I'll be in shortly, just about to release my own mod, but I'll be about ;)

[redi]

imho this is the complete opposite of what you are writing here ;-)


Enough blaming here :-), for me the 25 € donation i have done yet is all at this point.
If the the game is out sometimes, and it is at my liking, i will buy it (or some of the available content), but as an investment it´s nothing for me....
Caught me there. Well done :) No guarantees in life ;)

[Kritter]

Gday guys. Signed up to try it out, is the installation password

[YANNLEBLANC]

I found it here: http://forum.wmdportal.com/forumdisplay.php?44-Builds
;-)

[Kritter]

:banghead:

Cheers mate

[Xtra]

Caught me there. Well done :) No guarantees in life ;)

It was not my intention to catch somebody, only to clarify the truth ;-)

[sagedavid]

Still looking for the installation password... I saw it few hours ago...

[Mahjik]

Still looking for the installation password... I saw it few hours ago...

Its in the forum section posted just a few messages up by YANNLEBLANC.

[redi]

Current build 071 upload is without password.

[NWAlliance]

im In, when the first Porsche is seen, probably a Carrera2 Cup Car(964):drive2:, or a 934 RSR(not the known 911 RSR from GTL^^:mrgreen:

[freejrs]

Current build 071 upload is without password.

Is that a new build since yesterday?

[redi]

Is that a new build since yesterday?

Same build, just without installer password.

[freejrs]

Ok, thanks.

[flymar]

I've read the TC and please correct me if I am wrong - by paying 25 EUR I can use builds and contribute but at release I would have to pay for the game?

[redi]

I've read the TC and please correct me if I am wrong - by paying 25 EUR I can use builds and contribute but at release I would have to pay for the game?
It's not decided whether the game will be free-to-play or boxed.

However, when the game starts earning money, you'll get your 'entry fee' back plus revenue, so you're not losing anything. Besides, for €25 you'll get 1.5 years of free dev builds to play and talk to the SMS devs ;)

[flymar]

Not really:
4.7. NO WARRANTY OR REPRESENTATION IS GIVEN AS TO WHETHER ANY FEES WILL BE PAID TO YOU.
I haven't found anything about return of entry fee.
The last sentence could be put another way - For 25 EUR I could use my "resources" to help SMS build the game.

Don't get me wrong. I'm all enthusiastic about the thing but TC is just "standard" EULA type - we can screw you at any time, close the whole bussiness and fly to Bahamas with your 25 EUR in the crocodile's skin suitcase :)

Argh. I'm probably gonna participate anyway just to see what is the next step from Shift 2 :)

[ceth]

It's not decided whether the game will be free-to-play or boxed.
Really ? I thought the f2p nature of cars was written in stone already.

[gears]

It's not decided whether the game will be free-to-play or boxed.

However, when the game starts earning money, you'll get your 'entry fee' back plus revenue, so you're not losing anything. Besides, for €25 you'll get 1.5 years of free dev builds to play and talk to the SMS devs ;)

Yeah I don't know why everyone is freaking out.

Even if I have to buy the final product, $35 USD for 18 months of weekly builds + access to the devs is worth it.

And besides, if I have to buy the final build, I'll already know if it's worth it or not.

[DurgeDriven]

Yeah I don't know why everyone is freaking out..


Says the bloke deleted all his sims after one lap. lol ;)

I'm uninstalling all my other sims. There's no point to them anymore.

[gears]

Says the bloke deleted all his sims after one lap. lol ;)

lol are you going to actually play the game or just troll our forums? :-P

[DurgeDriven]

lol are you going to actually play the game or just troll our forums? :-P

That from the bloke that goes to F1 2011 thread to bag it and talk about CARS.

lol ;)





This is great value 25EU but everyone seems pre occupied with the looks of it.

I more concerned in physics and the way that '68 can go around corners on that steering lock just looks so arcade.

So I will see in a year how the new engine looks while I play rF2. :mrgreen:

( certainly won't be deleting GPL or any other sims . )


Troll ?
My observation with 1968 turn-in is correct and I have not even drove it. :?:


Another turn me off att is the Shift bright sparkles on chrome (yes I realise .... this will be fixed with DX11 version)

[gears]

This is great value 25EU but everyone seems pre occupied with the looks of it.

I more concerned in physics and the way that '68 can go around corners on that steering lock just looks so arcade.

It's not the graphics that made me delete my sims. My game looks nothing like the screenshots posted or redi's video as I can't run it on high.

It's the physics and how the game feels. I've always valued gameplay and physics over eye candy (which is why I hated the Shift series).

My observation with 1968 turn-in is correct and I have not even drove it. :?:


If you say so :whistling:

I believe if you drove it, you would change your opinion ;-)


That from the bloke that goes to F1 2011 thread to bag it and talk about CARS.

At least I own F1 2011. In fact, I asked for that sub-forum to be created.

I don't go into sub-forums of games I don't own or have never played and give my "opinion"

[marcusarillius]

I've read the TC and please correct me if I am wrong - by paying 25 EUR I can use builds and contribute but at release I would have to pay for the game?

This is from their page..

For the price of the minimum Tool Pack therefore, you'll be able to see the game being made, speak directly to the developers, and play a new version of the game each month.

Then, when the game is released you'll receive a free copy and potentially money back based on its success and your position in the company.


Regarding pricing system..

Free2play + Microtransactions

(probably will ship with some cars and some tracks for free)

Then extra content prices..


Vehicles €2
Tracks €2
Series(eg..Btcc car/Track pack) €5-€10
Team Creation €1
Organized event entry €1
Paint finishes €1
Decals/Vinyls €1
Garage slots 50¢
Apparel Slots 50¢
Customization Slots 50¢
Apparel 10¢
Liveries 10¢
Upgrades 10¢

[DurgeDriven]

I will buy it, never suggested otherwise.

My first comment on it was just the '68 should not be able to stick like that with inordinate lock and yes I realised physics are 12 months away, said as much att.

Then I said "....other then that .....wow ! " hardly Troll like. ;-)

[AndreiRS]

im In, when the first Porsche is seen, probably a Carrera2 Cup Car(964):drive2:, or a 934 RSR(not the known 911 RSR from GTL^^:mrgreen:

Well, till they get the licence we may see some Perscho 199, or something like that. :laugh::thumbup:

[nitroin]

Sorry if I'm off topic.

Referring on this:

Register on the forums
Become a C.A.R.S. Team Member
Download the latest build from the link at the top of the forum
Install it using the password in the Builds sub-forum!


If I donate 10€ I'll be already able to play?
And then: is a permanent internet connection required after installation? Thanks!

[ceth]

10€ and you can play, yes.

[nitroin]

Thanks for the fast reply!

[edubz123]

yeah, I think internet connection is required because you have to 'login' to the game each time.

[sagedavid]

yeah, I think internet connection is required because you have to 'login' to the game each time.
Not so sure... Maybe for the first time, but not each time, as it was for Shift2... They show the "login interface", but as long as you don't change it, I don't there will be any problem... (?)

[ceth]

If you disable the feature that sends datas to sms when you play (or play offline) according to the t&c "you may not be deemed to be making a contribution to the game". And according to those same t&c, "you must make a contribution in order to earn revenue share".

[Pizzaman]

Seems like I'll be able to run it on my system.
When the first euro-box-classic-Mini-like thing surfaces I'll be in like Flynn.

Mini, Beetle, Gordini, Abarth TCR, anything of those buggers.
Or gimme a Musclecar... and I'll be a happy critter.
Won't be able to test much at this point, so I'll hold it a bit.

But for sure I'll get it when it is 'finalised'.
Looks like other sims can kiss their @$$es goodbye.

[DrugsDen]

Iv downloaded the game and it worked now everytime i try to load it i get this..

your account has insufficient access right to play the game currently

can anyone help pls?

[redi]

Iv downloaded the game and it worked now everytime i try to load it i get this..

your account has insufficient access right to play the game currently

can anyone help pls?
What build, and what member level do you have (junior, team member etc.)?

[DrugsDen]

What build, and what member level do you have (junior, team member etc.)?

I cant seem to see what build i have but i only downloaded it this week if that helps and im a junior member for now

[redi]

Must be build 73 then. I think it's better you post over at the WMD forums, probably a server admin has to look at this.

[DrugsDen]

Must be build 73 then. I think it's better you post over at the WMD forums, probably a server admin has to look at this.

I cant post on there iv only got access to news and announcements and cant even look at help and support page

[redi]

I cant post on there iv only got access to news and announcements and cant even look at help and support page
If your username at WMD is also DrugsDen then you're not a Junior but a Free User which gives you no right to download a build and play it (as you did not buy a Tool Pack to take part in the dev process).

[DrugsDen]

If your username at WMD is also DrugsDen then you're not a Junior but a Free User which gives you no right to download a build and play it (as you did not buy a Tool Pack to take part in the dev process).

yes it is DrugsDen and i have allready payed the cash has been taking out my bank i payed for Junior ??

[redi]

yes it is DrugsDen and i have allready payed the cash has been taking out my bank i payed for Junior ??
Well your account is still on Free User so you should not have been ablt to download the build. I'll check your payment.

[redi]

yes it is DrugsDen and i have allready payed the cash has been taking out my bank i payed for Junior ??
Where did you download the build, by the way?

[DrugsDen]

Where did you download the build, by the way?

From the main site after i payed

Cheers for the help :)

[redi]

yes it is DrugsDen and i have allready payed the cash has been taking out my bank i payed for Junior ??
You should have received an email about your payment. Please check your spam box if not.

[redi]

From the main site after i payed

Cheers for the help :)

Check PM please.