Gtr3

[bricky149]

J-F Chardon has given us a bit more info on GTR3 on the RaceRoom forum.
http://www.raceroom.net/forums/index.php/topic,40.270.html

[triskele10]

The only info is that there's none.

[Kazumi]

they are working on it. it seems...

I hope the statement about sound is true and they also take advantage of the RAM amount of current PCs (with 1 - 5 MB per sound (all sounds not one sample lol :-P ) you can't expect wonders in multiplatform racing games here)

[Romee]

News on GTR 3 is coming this month!

http://www.virtualr.net/first-gtr3-news-coming-later-this-month

[LeSunTzu]

News that there will be news that there will be news, this month, perhaps. :mrgreen:

[Totenkopf]

I don't know why, but I have the feeling that this GTR3 will be a "flop": an eye-candy as Shift2, but, in the same way, crappy in the physics, as Shift/Shift2 (and why not? GTR-Evo too) are.

Long Live GTR2!

[redi]

I don't know why, but I have the feeling that this GTR3 will be a "flop": an eye-candy as Shift2, but, in the same way, crappy in the physics, as Shift/Shift2 (and why not? GTR-Evo too) are.

Long Live GTR2!
I would really like to hear what your feelings are based on...

[Totenkopf]

I would really like to hear what your feelings are based on...

My feelings are based on the fact that after GTR2, I had just 5 years of delusions.
I bought Race07 and I was very disappointed, I tried GTR-Evo, then Shift and then again Shift2 (all of them borrowed by a friend) after they came out, and I decided to never buy them.
Seems the "market" wants more good graphics than realism. So, why things should change now? :-(

Plus, with all the mods out for GTR2 (I'm not talking about the "illegal" ones, there are more than enough which are legal), included the graphic improvements through the years, I have a "real sim" with good graphics, which allows me to run grids with over 50 cars at full details, without killing my PC, a chimera for Shift/Shift2.

GTR2 is like IL-2 Sturmovik: both are very old (in particular IL-2, 10 yrs now), but with a strong community which make them resist and still beat the newer products, in spite of the abandon by the original developers.

I'd like to know how many people will remember Shift2 5 years from now....

[cool3865]

speaking of GTR2, why hasnt anyone made a site that tells you where to get the cars and what series they are for?? i remember there was one site that did that but the guy was going to stop.

[Totenkopf]

speaking of GTR2, why hasnt anyone made a site that tells you where to get the cars and what series they are for?? i remember there was one site that did that but the guy was going to stop.

http://www.gtr2field.co.nr/

But it isn't updated by months now; the main problem is that sometimes modders/skinners "retire themselves from the scene of modding", and most of the time they bring their stuff away, so is very hard to find the correct skin for the correct mod for the correct series, and a working link to it. And for a single person is an almost impossible thing...

[cool3865]

thanks for the links totenkopf, thats why i miss the old modding days when people made mods for the fun of it and didnt care where it went, as long as others were enjoying it

[Zpectre]

If GTR2 is the be all, end it all of games physics-wise, what's the point of making a new one apart from new graphics? Should be easy to slap a few graphic effects on the old ISI engine, while keeping the physics intact, and call it a day!

I wouldn't hold high hopes for GTR3 because the key personnel that made GTR2 left SimBin ages ago and the newer ones like GTR Evo weren't a success.

[redi]

If GTR2 is the be all, end it all of games physics-wise, ...
Not really. There are some very obvious flaws and shortcomings in it which aren't very hard to improve on. GTR2 may look and feel quite convincing, it's not that accurate physics-wise.

[Zpectre]

Oh redi I was being sarcastic... :-) No offense to the people who like and play GTR2, I just wanted to point out that there would be little point in releasing a new game with the same physics as the old.

[Totenkopf]

The problem is: I (I think I'm speaking for the "GTR2 hardcore" people too) don't want a game with the "same physics" as GTR2 (which are already pretty good and very easy to tweak and improve even for the "common user"), but I don't understand why is impossible (looking at what happened in the last 5 yrs) to have a good looking game with realistic (or "not arcade" if you prefer) physics.

thanks for the links totenkopf, thats why i miss the old modding days when people made mods for the fun of it and didnt care where it went, as long as others were enjoying it

You're welcome. I was missing those days too...

[freejrs]

Will buy on release no questions. Every game SIMBIN have made is great IMO. I have no doubt whatsoever that this new GTR title will be on a par with NetKar Pro in terms of physics and FFB. :-)

[hoboholic]

If GTR2 is the be all, end it all of games physics-wise, what's the point of making a new one apart from new graphics? Should be easy to slap a few graphic effects on the old ISI engine, while keeping the physics intact, and call it a day!

I wouldn't hold high hopes for GTR3 because the key personnel that made GTR2 left SimBin ages ago and the newer ones like GTR Evo weren't a success.

You may not have liked it but the RACE series was a great success, the AI in my opinion is on par or better than GTR2.

[Leper Messiah]

I'm with freejrs on this, I've liked all the simbin stuff physics wise post gtr2. I have every confidence GTR3 will be an excellent game and worthy of purchase.

[SwedishFrog]

sure ,,,as long as there's no system file encryption od Steam download...we spend enough good money on hardware...LOL
I'm ;game'...
GTR 2 is very good indeed, and still challenging.

[SwedishFrog]

Did I mention extremely user-friendly and logical......LOL

[SwedishFrog]

J-F Chardon has given us a bit more info on GTR3 on the RaceRoom forum.
http://www.raceroom.net/forums/index.php/topic,40.270.html


I lived in Stevenage and St Albans and Hitchin over 10 years....

LOL miss a good pub crawl.:thumbup: Bludy'L

[gears]

Hello,

I can see a lot of discussions going on, just let me say that what we are working on at the moment will be a lot better looking than Race Pro. Sounds are greatly improved as well. Much better than you could imagine

I think you can expect some news pretty soon.

I understand that it has been over a year since the announcement, but you know how it is: before you start talking about a project, you'd better make sure that your project is going to happen for real. And while you guys were wondering what was going on, this project was just getting real

And the team here is just as impatient as you all are to start leaking stuff and showing off the progress made.

http://www.raceroom.net/forums/index.php/topic,40.270.html

Nice :thumbup:

[Petrolmania]

Personally, I have a lot more faith in GTR3 then I do rfactor2. I prefer GTR2 but to be honest think the feel in the Race07 series is much more realistic. Hoboholic has a point about the AI and I agree as I hardly ever race online. Shift and Shift2 I have and never touch as even for an arcade game they have no feel, let alone comparing them to a sim.

Back on topic, I AM admittedly sceptical about GTR3, especially after a year in which we've had a few duds, iRacing 2.0 (Left enough of a bad taste I signed my account over to a friend.), the Race 07 Retro Pack's physics (as it was THE pack I was looking forward to.), and even though they are arcade, TDU2 was a huge let down along with SHIFT2 being the major ones that come to mind for me, and have made me leery about expectations in future.

I'm not a fan of modern cars/racing but am willing to see how GTR3 turns out. I hope Simbin keeps up the good work and hope the retro pack was merely a "bump" in the road gamewise.

Who knows, they may just yet surprise us all.

Of course, I'd have to tear myself away from GTL for a looksee first.....lol.

Cheers.
Den.

[phrantic77]

My feelings are based on the fact that after GTR2, I had just 5 years of delusions.
I bought Race07 and I was very disappointed, I tried GTR-Evo, then Shift and then again Shift2 (all of them borrowed by a friend) after they came out, and I decided to never buy them.
Seems the "market" wants more good graphics than realism. So, why things should change now? :-(

Plus, with all the mods out for GTR2 (I'm not talking about the "illegal" ones, there are more than enough which are legal), included the graphic improvements through the years, I have a "real sim" with good graphics, which allows me to run grids with over 50 cars at full details, without killing my PC, a chimera for Shift/Shift2.

GTR2 is like IL-2 Sturmovik: both are very old (in particular IL-2, 10 yrs now), but with a strong community which make them resist and still beat the newer products, in spite of the abandon by the original developers.

I'd like to know how many people will remember Shift2 5 years from now....

I totally agree with you, Fabrizio.
I'm not sure if I'll buy it. Maybe we'll get some demo. Back then when GTR2 came out, I didn't buy it. I loved GTR too much. Lol. But time and the community proved that GTR2 is a proper sequel. I kinda hope that the same happens this time. But if not - good aswell. GTR2 and all it's mods 'n stuff is almost unbeatable. I think GTR3 has to use an updated gmotor engine again. Or sth similar. Then it can be possible to run it properly on a bit lower specs but still looking good. And it should be possible to use, or at least easily convert, the GTR2 mods.
After all the "modding-friendliness" decides if it will be top or flop.

[zeymatis]

I allways keep coming back to GTR2 "LIKE A GOOD OLD PAIR OF WORN IN SHOES".I wasnt over impressed with the Race 07 series and think that everything else has been a bit of a let down .
At the moment im driving simraceway. Which, IMHO has the best physics and steering input that ive ever experienced . Hope gtr3 is going to be a winner

[kooda]

The only thing that I fear is that AMD won't have a driver yet where xfire is working for this game. I hope the graphics have come a loooong way in these years. I did like Shift's graphics, and these better be at least that good.

[ravenmorpheus2k]

just let me say that what we are working on at the moment will be a lot better looking than Race Pro.

Should fecking well hope so. Race Pro looked shite. Worse than Race07 imo.

but you know how it is: before you start talking about a project, you'd better make sure that your project is going to happen for real.

Better to just stfu then and get on with it rather than making pointless teasing posts here and there full of "business speak" and nothingness...


If that screenshot that has been banded about is really an "in-game" unedited shot then the graphics will certainly be decent, I just hope the physics side of things is as well - be nice to see even just a graphical update but with the physics of the gMotor2 engine.

All I hope is that unlike Race07 they don't lock down the game so much that it makes modding very difficult to the point where you cannot do certain things that for certain mods you need to (like add final gear ratio adjustments, or create new rule sets, or make championships do points beyond 8th place etc.) and that the cars they do give us at least have a real world race series licence behind them with an associated championship.

If GTR3 is going to be a successor to GTR2 it needs a proper real world series recreated within, not some approximations of real world cars with mostly fantasy liveries in a set of fantasy classes like the GT cars in GTR Evo, and it needs to be just as moddable as GTR2 is.

I remain cautiously sceptical as that screenie knocking around has a fictional numberplate on the P4/5...

[bobste]

IMHO I hope GTR3 is great - but I also hope I can xfer the GTR2 tracks - at least, if not some cars. Folks on sites like this have invested a lot into some great stuff and I won't sacrifice all those goodies for GTR3 unless I can somehow keep my old stuff alive.

[Chronus]

My feelings are based on the fact that after GTR2, I had just 5 years of delusions.
I bought Race07 and I was very disappointed, I tried GTR-Evo[...]
Seems the "market" wants more good graphics than realism. So, why things should change now? :-(


Unfortunately for many, these failed slogans/clichés direct their minds and they are unable to see the improvements done on its game engine by SIMBIN post-GTR2.

These "Race07/GTR EVO is worse than" GTR2 or rFactor is getting old and tired, but they keep insisting on this. What's more, they now talk about "realism". :thumbdown:

SIMBIN may or may not deliver a great sim. If it is at least as good as GTR Evo or GTR2, plus a few new features to the physics engine and more modern graphics, we should consider ourselves lucky...and happy.

SIMBIN and ISI ftw. :thumbup:


GTR2 may look and feel quite convincing, it's not that accurate physics-wise.

Hmm, "look good and feel quite convincing", "not that accurate physics wise". Really?

Which sim (aside from NetKar Pro / Racer / XMR) is "accurate physics wise"?

Which are the "some very obvious flaws and shortcomings in it" (obviously, physics wise)?

[vondutch51]

GTR2 is still so good. Yes I'm a fan boy but I think it's true. I was reminded of this after spending the last day or so trying to reinstall some of my fave rfactor mods (after a HD failure) and trying to get decent FFB. So much work to install the realfeel and leo plugins and test and tune them. Still the FFB doesn't feel as good as the stock FFB in GTR2 (and GTL for that matter.) Stock GTR2 at the limit is as good as anything that's out there in my humble opinion. I say this not having tried the latest version of NetKar Pro. I have tried the Ferrari Virtual Academy and I liked it but wouldn't say it's superior to GTR2.

Want to be convinced how good GTR2 still is. Try the NAGP carpacks. Run the cars on the tracks we race on at NAGP. Tell me they don't "feel" right. I know a lot of you don't care for the SRT guys but they tested the NAGP carpack awhile back and ranked the Saleen as one of their top sim cars. (4th at the time I think). I still be playing and enjoying GTR2 for a long time to come. (Heck I still enjoy GTR so maybe I'm a dinosaur:))

[Kazumi]

GTR2 is still so good. Yes I'm a fan boy but I think it's true. I was reminded of this after spending the last day or so trying to reinstall some of my fave rfactor mods (after a HD failure) and trying to get decent FFB. So much work to install the realfeel and leo plugins and test and tune them. Still the FFB doesn't feel as good as the stock FFB in GTR2 (and GTL for that matter.) Stock GTR2 at the limit is as good as anything that's out there in my humble opinion. I say this not having tried the latest version of NetKar Pro. I have tried the Ferrari Virtual Academy and I liked it but wouldn't say it's superior to GTR2.
:thumbup:

There are some very obvious flaws and shortcomings in it which aren't very hard to improve on.
I don't think that would be easy :?:

also things like set-ups, AI, FFB, graphics to some degree SimBin already tried to improve.

Plus, with all the mods out for GTR2 (I'm not talking about the "illegal" ones, there are more than enough which are legal), included the graphic improvements through the years, I have a "real sim" with good graphics, which allows me to run grids with over 50 cars at full details, without killing my PC, a chimera for Shift/Shift2.
in Shift 1 then you probably ticked full AI visual details. the key here is really to improve the LODs of cars. Shift only got 2 usable LODs per car (and a 3rd for very low detail) - that isn't really much for a modern game.

S2U performance went down on average to ~ mid-end PCs of course (at least on mine, and many others)

[gears]

Well I'm ready to buy GTR3 sight unseen. I'd give them my money right now if they would take it. I have no doubt whatsoever it's going to be great.

I have the RACE series with ALL the expansions and to me, there's no better sim out there right now. There's no comparison. It really doesn't get enough credit.

So bring on GTR3. I can't wait! :drive2:

[Chronus]

FVA was mentioned above, also NetKar Pro.

There is no doubt in my mind that NKP (and the sim based on it, FVA) is highly sophisticated. Do some math or check the telemetry: NKP really is top of the top. The Ferrari 458 Challenge in FVA is, according to some who have driven it in real life, spot on. Tire damage, wall deformation, thermodynamics level calculations on the influence of heat and friction, flat spots, chassis flex - fantastic features very nicely realized.

That said, any isiMotor2 based simulation is incredibly good, even when compared to a superior product such as NKP. Incredibly good, in spite of the competition, incredibly good in spite of its age. Again, do some math/physics or check telemetry and easy to see how good isiMotor2 simulations are.

GTR2 ? Well, GTR2 default is the result of several concessions, all due to "playability reasons" - and this is regardless of the physics engine, all people have to do is take a look at hdc, sp and tyr files.

Now, read the RSC threads on iniMotor2, use good tools (such as Suspension Editor2, Bristow's slip curves spreadsheets, carFactory, etc), research a bit on the subject (chassis physics, aerodynamics, tire physics) and you'll be ready to inject some figures into the physics files that bring out the best in GTR2.

Aris did a good job (and is doing a great job, with P&G) with GTR2, davehenrie too, and a few others have too. [We, the IRG, too, gave it also our best.] It's not an easy job, but bringing out the best in GTR2 is achievable.

also things like set-ups, AI, FFB, graphics to some degree SimBin already tried to improve.

SIMBIN tried to improve and did improve.

Did you even try Race07 and its expansion GTR Evo? Did you "play" around with its physics files to try and get a feeling for the underlying physics?



I have the RACE series with ALL the expansions and to me, there's no better sim out there right now. There's no comparison. It really doesn't get enough credit.


Indeed! :thumbup:

Since GTR2, only 3 sims have impressed me enough to consider them strong alternatives to GTR2/rFactor across the board:
- GSC (2011 product)
- FVA (2010-2011 product)/NKP
- Race07 (and exp. GTR Evo)

Others come somewhat close (XMR, Racer, LFS, iRac*****), but are still far away from the complete package (ambiance, graphics, sounds, physics) we can find in any of the sims I mention above.

I too believe SIMBIN will deliver.

[splitpbt]

Well I'm ready to buy GTR3 sight unseen. I'd give them my money right now if they would take it. I have no doubt whatsoever it's going to be great.
So bring on GTR3. I can't wait! :drive2:
+1...
I've got and still have all Simbin titles and xp's in their boxes and on my pc(GTR uninstalled now).

GTR3 ftw, can't wait...

[kooda]

So bring on GTR3. I can't wait! :drive2:[/QUOTE]

I agree. It's been waaay too long waiting for either this or Rfactor 2 to come out. If it hadn't been for mods, do you think these games would've been mostly forgotten by now?

[cygnific]

I like GTR2 alot, but it doesn't work nice on a eyefinity setup. If only the stretching of the menus was fixxed.

[Kazumi]

SIMBIN tried to improve and did improve.

Did you even try Race07 and its expansion GTR Evo? Did you "play" around with its physics files to try and get a feeling for the underlying physics?
- never said they didn't achieve improvements :sleep:

- FWD with powered and steered wheels there are some quirks. I remember I wrote something like that in PM.

GT1/2/3 (pro, derp, whatever they are called ingame ;-) ) are good, imho the GT3s are underrated because people focus on GT1. and the series don't even feel semi-realistic in terms of paints and cars.

AI works out of the box, one of the best packages in retail (or DL) games. I wonder why they didn't prepare more content like championships and that stuff. there's everything for a good semi-realistic GT championship.

and yep, I moved and adjusted some of the cars to the other GT series (BMW to GT1, Koenigsegg to GT2 and so on) . however I didn't change much in the end to keep the AIs as they are.

Others come somewhat close (XMR, Racer, LFS, iRac*****), but are still far away from the complete package (ambiance, graphics, sounds, physics) we can find in any of the sims I mention above.

I too believe SIMBIN will deliver.
yeah and... I don't see some (or most, I dunno) of them even trying or want it to be that "package" . but all 4 are still worked on and of course can improve.

:thumbup:

[freejrs]

This is all getting a bit much to be honest......

3 threads with the exact same title in one section....;-)

I know people are excited but come on now!!! :-D

[Totenkopf]

Plus, with all the mods out for GTR2 (I'm not talking about the "illegal" ones, there are more than enough which are legal), included the graphic improvements through the years, I have a "real sim" with good graphics, which allows me to run grids with over 50 cars at full details, without killing my PC, a chimera for Shift/Shift2.

in Shift 1 then you probably ticked full AI visual details. the key here is really to improve the LODs of cars. Shift only got 2 usable LODs per car (and a 3rd for very low detail) - that isn't really much for a modern game.

S2U performance went down on average to ~ mid-end PCs of course (at least on mine, and many others)


I never bought Shift or Shift2, but I know that on my PC those games can't run smooth at full details, and I know that I can run more than 50 cars, almost all are Shift/Shift2/Forza3 conversions in GTR2, with full details and tracks with HD textures, with more realistic physics for the cars, and very exciting races tnhrough some quick tweak to the AI. So, why I should change to something else?

If GTR3 will guarantee me the same modding friendliness and a graphic which will not kill my PC, I will buy it; otherwise, now I know from where is possible to convert a Ferrari P4/5 to GTR2.....

[Petrolmania]

This is all getting a bit much to be honest......

3 threads with the exact same title in one section....;-)

I know people are excited but come on now!!! :-D

I wondered if maybe that was because the threads were started before the section existed?(?)

Den.

[AndreiRS]

I wondered if maybe that was because the threads were started before the section existed?(?)

Den.

Yes. :)

[SwedishFrog]

I am too a fan boy racer..."returning to GTR 2"...from S2U....Simulator, physics...tire wear, fuel, logical and recognizable tuning measurements.....it has night racing too...love flashing my headllights LOL. So many great mods and improvements etc....the in game adjustments and brake bias and seat height.....etc,...etc... Loooove it

NAGP is very good too !.....Eye candy is great in Shift 2...but not by much...and my home built X3 720 overclocked with 8GB DDR2 and my Palit GTX560-2GB DDR5 GPU is overkill for GTR 2 - BUT,, is it totally stable at max setting at 1920x1080px32 bit 22in ...never CTD ...ONLY with the Motec app occasionally -- working on that minor issue ???

Oh did I mention, how irritating it is not to be able to ALT-out of game to check something on another screen, then resume your practice, without a hiccup...Can't do that in S2U ! S2U used to CTD 12-15 times....EA. (Exactly Arcade.)
Would CTD immediately...for 2011 EA code. NEVER again.

Experimenting with tuning for FXX Evoluzione on Enna and Monza GP...Dunlop GT tire swap helps...MEd slick/hard slick rear...see...can't help myself...love to learn

YES,.... I shall happily buy GTR 3, after I read some commonsense reviews, not just because I'm a Swedish national.... LOL (dislike Volvo's btw LOL)

[Cham3leon]

Dunno, man, I always managed to Alt-TAB out of S2U for anything, and it never CTD'd.

I was very happy when I found out about PTMu and some other mods that made Shift2 quite enjoyable, but it never could come close to the GTR experience. GTR2 will permanently have a place in my heart as my first real race sim where I built up my driving skills, and the first racing game whatsoever that was fun to drive on an empty track without any opponents.
Just me, the car, the asphalt and the satisfaction of shaving down a second each lap as you learn to take the corner even faster than before.

[SwedishFrog]

Exactly...especially with solid headphones on so you can hear the tires scrub the tarmac and the tires begin to lock...hearing rather than seeing the rpm gear shift light...so fun.

{Looking forward to my F430 Force Feedback wheel set this weekend...progressed through keyboard and gamepads, rumble wheel.. over the past... LOL Funny how GTR 2 has so much to offer...}

GTR 3 would be offering probably better sounds and graphics ? Works if the physics remain.

[wildcard1]

A modders paradise,the real pros....

[markspeed]

Well, I'm probably gonna have to wait till about 2014 or so. That's when I'll be able to afford the PC, Ram, GFX card, sound card, wheel, and all the other things I'll need to run this game with anything like full settings. As it is, I apparantly still need a better power supply and GFX card just to run GTR2 with everything on full. And my PC has 3 gig of processing and ram. And that's still not enough. The GFX card is a Invidia Geforce 210 and it's still not good enough. Apparantly. You buy a new monitor and than all of a sudden everything else you've got becomes obsolete.

[bricky149]

Well, I'm probably gonna have to wait till about 2014 or so. That's when I'll be able to afford the PC, Ram, GFX card, sound card, wheel, and all the other things I'll need to run this game with anything like full settings. As it is, I apparantly still need a better power supply and GFX card just to run GTR2 with everything on full. And my PC has 3 gig of processing and ram. And that's still not enough. The GFX card is a Invidia Geforce 210 and it's still not good enough. Apparantly. You buy a new monitor and than all of a sudden everything else you've got becomes obsolete.
Damn, I got the same feeling; I got a 24" HDTV recently until I realised the TV's 2 speakers sounded worse than my laptop's 1 speaker! Now I'll have to get some sort of sound system. :(

[Berger R - 74]

GTR2 is still so good. Yes I'm a fan boy but I think it's true. I was reminded of this after spending the last day or so trying to reinstall some of my fave rfactor mods (after a HD failure) and trying to get decent FFB. So much work to install the realfeel and leo plugins and test and tune them. Still the FFB doesn't feel as good as the stock FFB in GTR2 (and GTL for that matter.) Stock GTR2 at the limit is as good as anything that's out there in my humble opinion. I say this not having tried the latest version of NetKar Pro. I have tried the Ferrari Virtual Academy and I liked it but wouldn't say it's superior to GTR2.

Want to be convinced how good GTR2 still is. Try the NAGP carpacks. Run the cars on the tracks we race on at NAGP. Tell me they don't "feel" right. I know a lot of you don't care for the SRT guys but they tested the NAGP carpack awhile back and ranked the Saleen as one of their top sim cars. (4th at the time I think). I still be playing and enjoying GTR2 for a long time to come. (Heck I still enjoy GTR so maybe I'm a dinosaur:))

hi von dutch,

i am a dinosaur too!!:laugh:

GTR2 is my favourite racegame too, and i hope that GTR3 is more like GTR2/GTL then race07/gtrevo, with better grafic and any improve in online race (perhaps netcode is the correct word, not sure) and real changeable weather and something similar to XD for information.
if handling is close to GTR2 handling, i will be happy, did never drive in real race car, so i do not know what is real and not, but i like handling in GTR2 much.
and i hope that main cars are GT cars, i do not like touring cars or open wheel cars for online races.
and i feel like you von dutch, the FFB in rfactor is much more bad then in GTR2/GTL or race07 and the tyres are strange in rfactor in much cars, do not feel tyres in rfactor realy, no live in tyres.
any did write NKpro is so much real, but what do this help if you must drive alone on track, think there are no AI cars and in online there are nearly nobody too (when i did test any months ago)
the racegame driver community need THIS year a new game which much people do drive and is good for online races (and of course offline too, so with good AI cars), GTL, GTR2, Race07 and rfactor are the only real games for this and now old already.

but in 2012 (hope so) we will see how GTR3 will be, and of course how rfactor2 will be.
finger cross for good games:thumbup:

[xcheesehead]

Well, I'm probably gonna have to wait till about 2014 or so. That's when I'll be able to afford the PC, Ram, GFX card, sound card, wheel, and all the other things I'll need to run this game with anything like full settings. As it is, I apparantly still need a better power supply and GFX card just to run GTR2 with everything on full. And my PC has 3 gig of processing and ram. And that's still not enough. The GFX card is a Invidia Geforce 210 and it's still not good enough. Apparantly. You buy a new monitor and than all of a sudden everything else you've got becomes obsolete.

Your problem is more than likely the Nvidia 210 graphics card. I have a 220 and it is barely doing the job. With Nvidia cards, never buy the x10 models (in other words, 210, 410, 510) they are the bottom of the barrel in terms of processing power. In fact, the 430 and 520 are also really cheap bottom line cards. Card models I would recommend are 240/250, and 440/450. 460 and 550/560 are much more expensive.

Can't wait to see more about GTR3 in the coming weeks and months...

[markspeed]

Your problem is more than likely the Nvidia 210 graphics card. I have a 220 and it is barely doing the job. With Nvidia cards, never buy the x10 models (in other words, 210, 410, 510) they are the bottom of the barrel in terms of processing power. In fact, the 430 and 520 are also really cheap bottom line cards. Card models I would recommend are 240/250, and 440/450. 460 and 550/560 are much more expensive.

Can't wait to see more about GTR3 in the coming weeks and months...



Which seems retarted to my brain because according to it's spec sheet, and card comparison it's supposed to be faster and better than my old 8400 GS which had a ragequit about 14 months ago. I guess that doesn't line up the way it looked like it did. Cause it's only marginally better, if at all. I wish I understood the ATI cards better, so I could make side by side comparisons. It would be nice to be more informed. But I've yet to find a website to really put these cars side by side. Cause pricepoint and spec sheets always seem deceptive at best. Someone who lacks this kind of hardware knowledge really is out in the cold trying to understand how to line these up.

And I'm a professionally trained electronics technician. But these cards, are way beyond capacitors, resistors, diodes, and step up/down transformers. These things are microelectronics, where the transistors are almost molecule sized. I'm way out of my league with my 80's/90's digital circuits training. I'd need a learning annex course in engineering to get my head around these things. And worse yet, the software is for the Zuckerbergs and Gates of the world. Not a bluecollar tech like me.


Anyway, thanks for the quick cards for dummies guide on numbering. I'll keep that in mind the next time I have 80 bucks to spend on a card. This was my biggest fear about PC gaming. Getting sucked into having to upgrade every 6 to twelve months to keep up with the Jones, so to speak. I'd love to be able to run a 24 hour race at Le Mans or Spa, or where ever, but the spec I need to have more than 20 cars on track, without anomalies, is formiddable, at best.

It runs good enough for GTL at the moment. So that'll do till the better cards get below 100 bucks. Of course, by the time that happens I might need a new computer to go with it. This model is only an 08 model, so hopefully it won't quit anytime soon, but you never know.

[bentley speed 8]

my Nvidia 240 GT runs fine most tracks with about 40 cars at full detail, but i've also got a core 2 duo @ 2.93, so that is also helping a little

[SwedishFrog]

I run my GTR 2 at 1920x1080px32bit at nvidia control/override game for 32x multi SS, 16x AF HIGH...such a fine picture...online/offline....keep states on my 17in lcd at left.

GTX 560 DDR-5 2GB + Ph II X3 720BE

[bobste]

After reading all the posts, I would just like to toss in my opinion: I play GTR2 about as much as most folks (3-6 times per week, even for 15 mn. stints). I have some of the other titles, and even the "latest and greatest" like Project CARS. However, I think GTR2 is the best because it gets the visuals and physics relatively close (how the heck would I know? I'm not a professional race driver), but the best feature of GTR2 is the modding community that comes with it. Like open source experts, everything moves faster, is flexible, and responsive. If it weren't for the modders GTR2 would still be limited to the original FIA tracks and cars. I can run ALMS; INDY; F1; and just about any track I need. In fact, someone built a local track - Autobahn club circuit in Joliet, IL - I mean who would've thunk it?

So first I say thanks to all of you and nogrip.

Second, my reality is that while these games are a blast and good gaming fun (I won first three out of four iracing races) I can only imagine how it compares to real racing, because I don't do that. But because of GTR2 I wish I did.

[Blackbrird]

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[NorthernUnion]

I just watched those two youtube videos and got automotive wood!!