Time to upgrade from my dfgt

[stuku]

Hi lads, I'm thinking of changing wheel. I have dfgt and was thinking of getting t500 rs but price is quite high. Main reason I wanted t500 is it's speed (ffb counter steering is like on real car). im thinking of g27 now, shifter and pedals are nice but what about ffb difference between dgft/g27? since this is most important for me is it worth upgrading to g27? Maybe some fanatec? or just saving up bit more and get t500?
Thanks a million for advice.

[Petrolmania]

Either the T500 or G27 would be great choices. I wouldn't touch Fanatec, too many horror stories about reliability. I had a set of Clubsport pedals and in general they were fairly reliable but recently sold them as Fanatec hired Darin Gangi (unbelievable as it sounds, apparently for Customer Service!!!! Bad sign.) and I refuse to support any company he is associated with. That alone guarantees I will never purchase another Fanatec product. Their iffy quality/reliability reputation merely seals it. Why take a risk with your investment when there are two more reliable products out there.

I just got a DFPGT to replace my G-25 but as it's for PS3 right now I can't compare until I get a PC again. I am seriously considering once I get a PC again saving for the T500 myself as the DFPGT will be fine until then.

Den.

[Scorz]

Either the T500 or G27 would be great choices. I wouldn't touch Fanatec, too many horror stories about reliability. I had a set of Clubsport pedals and in general they were fairly reliable but recently sold them as Fanatec hired Darin Gangi (unbelievable as it sounds, apparently for Customer Service!!!! Bad sign.) and I refuse to support any company he is associated with. That alone guarantees I will never purchase another Fanatec product. Their iffy quality/reliability reputation merely seals it. Why take a risk with your investment when there are two more reliable products out there.

I just got a DFPGT to replace my G-25 but as it's for PS3 right now I can't compare until I get a PC again. I am seriously considering once I get a PC again saving for the T500 myself as the DFPGT will be fine until then.

Den.Is that not a slight overeaction? I mean i also don't like Gangi much and their show but to sell your hardware because he joined Fanatec seems insane and somewhat potty.

Fanatec of old were brilliant when they did work but as said they did have alot of issues. That's to be expected of a young company though. Their new wheels i'm sure will be more robust.

OP - Save for a TS or wait for the new Fanatecs. For the time being keep your DFGT and try and source some G25/7 pedals. DFGT and them pedals is a decent combo. I have owned both and IMO the G27 is not worth the extra money over the DFGT. The new Fanatecs and TS though will be worthy and worthwhile upgrades

[freejrs]

Just go for a G27 or G25. FFB should be a significant step up from your old wheel and the price is not ridiculous for them. Sure a T500 would be much better but it's a lot to spend when G27 is perfectly suitable.

I had a set of Clubsport pedals and in general they were fairly reliable but recently sold them as Fanatec hired Darin Gangi (unbelievable as it sounds, apparently for Customer Service!!!! Bad sign.) and I refuse to support any company he is associated with. That alone guarantees I will never purchase another Fanatec product.

:rofl::thumbup:

Selling your pedals was a bit extreme but what a talentless ass wipe that guy is!!! He couldn't be any more unlikeable if he tried.

[alex291190]

Just go for a G27 or G25. FFB should be a significant step up from your old wheel and the price is not ridiculous for them. Sure a T500 would be much better but it's a lot to spend when G27 is perfectly suitable.



:rofl::thumbup:

Selling your pedals was a bit extreme but what a talentless ass wipe that guy is!!! He couldn't be any more unlikeable if he tried.

Doesn't the DFGT have the same internals as the G27? :)

[Petrolmania]

Just go for a G27 or G25. FFB should be a significant step up from your old wheel and the price is not ridiculous for them. Sure a T500 would be much better but it's a lot to spend when G27 is perfectly suitable.



:rofl::thumbup:

Selling your pedals was a bit extreme but what a talentless ass wipe that guy is!!! He couldn't be any more unlikeable if he tried.

It was a combination of every time they acted up wondering if this was "it" and knowing that as bad as their customer service was, their hiring Gangi would make the experience not worth the effort. It may be extreme but I won't support a product I don't believe in. Basically it's a matter of putting my money where my mouth is.:laugh:

I know there were teething problems with the T-500 but so far what I've seen is Thrustmaster like Logitech for the most part acting promptly and solving the problem rather then act like their customers are idiots. I would like to see more input from T-500 users though before I made a decision to get one.

The G-27 may not be perfect, but it IS a proven product as is the company that sells it. But myself at least, I want better pedals ("better" for me is some resistance in them.) so am seriously considering (eventually) the Thrustmaster.

[stuku]

Doesn't the DFGT have the same internals as the G27? :)

^^this question interests me most.

ok than - 2 ffb motors, helical gears.
is there anyone that used both and can share opinion how both wheels compare ffb/speed wise
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRIsYEd-o0w

[Pizzaman]

^^this question interests me most.

ok than - 2 ffb motors, helical gears.
is there anyone that used both and can share opinion how both wheels compare ffb/speed wise
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRIsYEd-o0w

You best send a PM to Pitradio, I know he has tested both. ;-)

[Petrolmania]

I'd be curious about that also as I have the DFPGT now.

[freejrs]

Doesn't the DFGT have the same internals as the G27? :)

I don't think so but I could be wrong. I thought the DFGT was more akin to the older DFP (Driving Force Pro). I would be amazed if the DFGT had the same internals as a G27.

It was a combination of every time they acted up wondering if this was "it" and knowing that as bad as their customer service was, their hiring Gangi would make the experience not worth the effort. It may be extreme but I won't support a product I don't believe in. Basically it's a matter of putting my money where my mouth is.:laugh:


Fair play for sticking to your guns. :thumbup:

The G-27 may not be perfect, but it IS a proven product as is the company that sells it. But myself at least, I want better pedals ("better" for me is some resistance in them.) so am seriously considering (eventually) the Thrustmaster.

I was under the impression that the T500 pedals are no better than the G25 or G27's. Especially if you buy the Nixim mod for the Logitech units.

[Scorz]

I said above i have owned both of the wheels and the FFB in the DFGT is every bit as good. It just depends on if you want a rubber wheel with poor buttons for paddles or some proper paddles and a leather wheel. FFB though is on par

[freejrs]

I said above i have owned both of the wheels and the FFB in the DFGT is every bit as good. It just depends on if you want a rubber wheel with poor buttons for paddles or some proper paddles and a leather wheel. FFB though is on par

Im sure the DFGT has good FFB, no doubt. But the question is does it have the same dual motor internals with helical cut gears as the G27???

I doubt it very much.

[Petrolmania]

Fair play for sticking to your guns. :thumbup:



I was under the impression that the T500 pedals are no better than the G25 or G27's. Especially if you buy the Nixim mod for the Logitech units.

I has the APElectrix mod but it doesn't add anything to the gas and clutch of course and I'm under the impression the T-500 pedals can have the resistance adjusted. I don't know how they are long term but I do know with a G-27 I will eventually have a problem with the pots as they died on my G-25's.

I would hope at least they'd last long enough to save for a set of Todd Cannon's pedals.............:laugh:

Den.

[stuku]

just an update :) parted with my dfgt on saturday last, now awaiting g27 is there anything i should know? some gimmicks handy DIY mods and all that :)
thanks a million for advice lads

[Hitman_M3]

If I were you, first thing I would check is it doesn't have any of the typichal bugs in the wheel, like loosing center when you countersteer fast, etc. (I've seen a G27 having that bug from new) If your wheel is OK and not flawed by them, you can look for mods. First thing I would do is to put a real steering wheel on it. Chilicoke and Derek Spear have adapters, Derek also has nice boards. Anything else that can't be easily bolted/unbolted, should better wait until warranty expires IMHO.

Good luck and happy racing

[Petrolmania]

Congratulations!!!!!!

[trotter2k]

ive used both DFGT and G27 and there totaly different, G27 is a lot more heavy duty then the DFGT.

[stuku]

alright, just got it :D can`t open it till my misses comes back from work, which is unbearable 8hr... all i can tell for now is that box is MUCH heavier than dfgt, i`m kind of a person that is most likely to choose a product based on weight as it usually means it more powerful-stronger-ind. grade :D

will report back later.

told my gf to bring me bag of rubber bands from work - o yeah - sequential mod incoming . lol

[stuku]

ok than, took a while but here it goes - THIS WHEEL IS AMAZING. absolutely brilliant, got a lot better lap times, feels very different to dfgt - much smoother and more natural. it`s fast i mean different league kinda fast. counter-steering in rbr is one of a kind feeling in racing sims.
have one beef with it tho... i don't have any dedicated rig/stand etc. so every time i want to play i have to through hassle of getting it wired up - it was much easier on dfgt as it had ports at back of a wheel.
thanks again for advice.

[Petrolmania]

...and the leather....:-D

Enjoy!

Den.

[fileleecher]

the dfgt is a pos compared to a g25/27. it has a single motor ffb design and is loud as hell. the g25/27 is ten times as smooth, quiet, with two motors, top notch quality at least on the wheel, and an h-shifter that is stand alone.
you cant even compare the two.

im on a g25 now and had a dfgt for two weeks while waiting on my g25 auction to end and ship.
the dfgt is like comparing a chinese made product to a usa made product, no comparison.

[WildBill]

Speaking of reliability----I've had a Driving Force Pro for the last 6 years---put----no kidding---about 500,000 kms on it and other than taking the pedals apart about 10 times to clean out the cat hair:crying: and spraying the original pots with contact cleaner ---it's still workiing fine.

The cat is apologetic and says I can buy a G27 or Fanatec soon---as long as the quality of his food and cat litter doesn't suffer. :thumbup: One thing I'll say about my cat---HE UNDERSTANDS THE NEED FOR LAPS---lol:laugh:

DRAGON

[LittleZippyUK]

For me it has to be Logitech, I've owned a G25 that lasted me 4 years, when that went kaput they offered me discount in their store so I went for a G27 for £180 and I'm more than impressed so far. Only downfall is the lack of sequential shifter stick (ok yeah, paddles but I prefer a stick).

[freejrs]

Only downfall is the lack of sequential shifter stick (ok yeah, paddles but I prefer a stick).

Have you heard of elastic bands before??:-P My mate did a little bodge up job with about 10-20 fairly large elastic bands.............same as this guy........

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................works perfectly. As good as G25 seq shifter.

[LittleZippyUK]

I would but me with diy is very dangerous. Normally I forget stuff, lose stuff or it just goes wrong and the whole item is buggered. Maybe Logitech should offer some software to use your old G25 shifter with it. The connections are the same. Just doesn't pick up the sequential mode nor H shifter :/

[Petrolmania]

I would but me with diy is very dangerous. Normally I forget stuff, lose stuff or it just goes wrong and the whole item is buggered. Maybe Logitech should offer some software to use your old G25 shifter with it. The connections are the same. Just doesn't pick up the sequential mode nor H shifter :/

Maybe use this. (http://www.leobodnar.com/products/G25-G27-shifter/) ?

[freejrs]

I would but me with diy is very dangerous. Normally I forget stuff, lose stuff or it just goes wrong and the whole item is buggered.

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

Dude it's like 10 elastic bands. No disassembly......no tools. Just RUBBER BANDS!!!!!

The worst thing that could happen is one of the hits you in the eye............BUT WAIT!!!!! Wear goggles and you should be fine.;-)

I don't see why you would be afraid to do it??? Find 10 rubber bands...........fit them to shifter...........SEQ SHIFTER!!

Your call anyway!:-P

[stuku]

used it as ebrake in rbr. great fun and easy to do.

[peraic]

the dfgt is a pos compared to a g25/27. it has a single motor ffb design and is loud as hell. the g25/27 is ten times as smooth, quiet, with two motors, top notch quality at least on the wheel, and an h-shifter that is stand alone.
you cant even compare the two.

im on a g25 now and had a dfgt for two weeks while waiting on my g25 auction to end and ship.
the dfgt is like comparing a chinese made product to a usa made product, no comparison.

The Logitech G27 is a POS compared to the Fanatec 911 GT3 RS you cannot even compare the two :-) yet I also have the Logitech Driving Force GT and it has better feeling FFB effects than the Fanatec GT3 RS I also have a friend that has a Logitech G27 and he also prefers the Logitech Driving Force GT FFB effects in all other areas the Fanatec GT3 RS is better .
The Logitech Driving Force GT is the only cheap steering wheel with an optical sensor mounted directly on the steering axis unlike the Logitech G27 and Fanatec GT3 RS I think this is what gives it such a nice feel in the FFB effects and also such an accurate feel .

[guybo]

Recently I went with a T500 RS, but I was seriously considering a G27. I was very happy with my 5 year old G25 but in the end I went with something totally new- the Thrustmaster. But I have no problem recommending a G27 based on how good my G25 was.

The only suggestion I'd make is to mod the brake and make it a load cell brake. It is absolutely worth it. Or if you want to drop a little more money, go for CSP's or the new line of pedals Fanatec made with the load cell. At very least, get the Nixim mod for your G27's.