Gtr3

[andicirk]

and now the noise begins.....turn your speakers up (http://www.gtr3.com/)

Andi

[Copyright]

Wow, cool!

We asked for sound, they gave it to us. If that's in game sound, they've got my money.

The pictures leave a few doubts in my mind (raceroom billboards, etc)but the pit crew looks good and certainly it is good news to have plenty of sure to be great sims coming out soon.

[triskele10]

and now the noise begins.....turn your speakers up (http://www.gtr3.com/)

Andi

This is the best preview a ever seen/hear from a race game:thumbup:

[andicirk]

id expect a few more details soon .......lots of dust (http://www.simbin.se/)


Andi

[max attack]

That did please the ears.
Thanks for the link.

[pitradio]

Awesome, just awesome

[maeckie]

so whats happening tomorrow ? gtr3 to buy&download ? -> would be nice : )

just a new website -> would be sooo ##*+#%$...

[SwedishFrog]

please NOT Steam....PC-DVD.

[splitpbt]

please not steam....pc-dvd.+1

[gears]

please NOT Steam....PC-DVD.

Even if it's on DVD, there will probably be Steam also. Race07 and many of the expansions came on DVD, but Steam was still required.

I love Steam. If games aren't offered through Steam, I'm disappointed. I don't know why people have a problem with it. I prefer it. If it wasn't for Steam, we'd all have crappy DRM like Starforce on our computers. No thank you.

It's not 1995 anymore. Steam has over 15 million users and it works flawlessly.

I can access my games through any computer, anywhere in the world, unlimited downloads and backups, no disks to keep track of, CD keys are tied to my account, automatic updates for my games...

It's a great system.

[ravenmorpheus2k]

It's a great system.

Until Valve turn their servers off because they feel a "new business model" is required.

Then you wonder where your DVD's are, and then realise you didn't get any.

Then of course there is the selling or gifting the games after you're done with them aspect...

[gears]

Until Valve turn their servers off because they feel a "new business model" is required.

Then you wonder where your DVD's are, and then realise you didn't get any.

Then of course there is the selling or gifting the games aspect...

Distribution platforms like Steam are the way of the future. EA realized this and started their own.

With the thousands and thousands of games and millions of users, I don't see Steam turning off their servers. I see their platform growing and being more and more the choice of developers.

And you can gift games. You just have to do it when you buy it.

[splitpbt]

If it wasn't for Steam, we'd all have crappy DRM like Starforce on our computers. No thank you.
It's not 1995 anymore.

CD keys are tied to my account
And there's the problem right there.
1995 arguement does not hold water. have no clue why you say 1995 unless you enlighten us - pls do.

GTR2 not Starforce - not steam.
GPL not Starforce - not steam.
RBR not Starforce - not steam.

I can buy any of these games 2nd hand/used and still race OL' no prob's.
pls tell me you can do that with any steam activated game... err no.!!

[gears]

And there's the problem right there.
1995 arguement does not hold water. have no clue why you say 1995 unless you enlighten us - pls do.

GTR2 not Starforce - not steam.
GPL not Starforce - not steam.
RBR not Starforce - not steam.

I can buy any of these games 2nd hand/used and still race OL' no prob's.
pls tell me you can do that with any steam activated game... err no.!!

I say 1995 because Steam was very buggy in it's early days. A lot of people still live in past and think Steam is buggy.

As for the games you mentioned... Yes, you buy them. But you are the minority. Those games are easily downloaded illegally. More people stole those games than bought them.

Was there a GPL2? Was there an RBR2? No.

SimBin used Starforce for GTR and GTL. People complained and GTR2 was Starforce-free.

Look what happened with GTR2. SimBin lost so much money, their company broke up and their next games, Race06 and Race07 were on Steam.

Companies use Steam to prevent illegal downloads without having to install DRM on your computer.

That's my point.

[splitpbt]

And you've missed my point, so i'll quote you again:If it wasn't for Steam, we'd all have crappy DRM like Starforce on our computers. No thank you.

CD keys are tied to my account
Again, that's the problem right there..

As for the games you mentioned... Yes, you buy them. But you are the minority. Those games are easily downloaded illegally. More people stole those games than bought them.

who says i'm the minority.?? you.??
More people stole those games than bought them.
Proof.!!

Was there a GPL2? Was there an RBR2? No.

GPL2.?? - proof there was'nt a second GPL through piracy.

RBR2.?? Richard Burns died before they got a chance todo a sequel. (RIP Richard Burns and thankyou)
SimBin used Starforce for GTR and GTL. People complained and GTR2 was Starforce-free.

Look what happened with GTR2. SimBin lost so much money, their company broke up and their next games, Race06 and Race07 were on Steam.

Companies use Steam to prevent illegal downloads without having to install DRM on your computer.

That's my point.proof... that "simbin lost so much money" to piracy, and it was'nt through inhouse disagreements on the future of game developement(physics) etc...

[gears]

So you're saying piracy is not a problem, not a factor. Everyone is an angel they all pay for games.

Believe what you want. "In-house disagreements". lol yeah because of money.

GTR3 will be on Steam. Like it or not. And there is only one reason: piracy.

Why do you think they stopped making patches for the non-Steam offline version of the Race series? Because anyone can download that and play it.

SimBin stopped making patches for the offline version over a year ago. Steam version has been updated many many times since then.

GTR3 won't even have an offline version. Steam only. And I support that.

[splitpbt]

So you're saying piracy is not a problem, not a factor. Everyone is an angel they all pay for games.I did'nt say piracy is'nt a problem. I said steam is the problem when your game product code is locked to your account.
Believe what you want. "In-house disagreements". lol yeah because of money.

GTR3 will be on Steam. Like it or not. And there is only one reason: piracy.

Why do you think they stopped making patches for the non-Steam offline version of the Race series? Because anyone can download that and play it.

SimBin stopped making patches for the offline version over a year ago. Steam version has been updated many many times since then.

GTR3 won't even have an offline version. Steam only. And I support that.
And you've missed my point, so i'll quote...(Absolutely no proof given.!!)
hahaha...
Woah, can't believe you disregarded my whole post, when you've made statements that you cannot bakup when all i asked for is proof.
Yet you reply with more statements that you cannot bakup. lol...

[gears]

It's not my job to educate you on piracy. Educate yourself. I couldn't care less if you believe me.

My whole point was companies use Steam to curb piracy because gamers are less likely to buy a game with DRM.

EA's Spore was supposed to have the most sophisticated DRM ever. Guess what? It became the most pirated game in history.

I won't give you a link. Look it up. It's a fact.

And if your only argument against Steam is buying 2nd hand games, then you're out of luck. More and more games are tied to some kind of online account, Steam or not. Buying used games is a thing of the past. Most new games can't be sold 2nd hand.

[splitpbt]

It's not my job to educate you on piracy. Educate yourself. I couldn't care less if you believe me.
I don't need no education in piracy tyvm. lol...
My whole point was companies use Steam to curb piracy because gamers are less likely to buy a game with DRM.
Starforce.?? Probably, most likely.
Others.?? Proof.!!
EA's Spore was supposed to have the most sophisticated DRM ever. Guess what? It became the most pirated game in history.

I won't give you a link. Look it up. It's a fact.

Meh..
And if you're only argument against Steam is buying 2nd hand games, then you're out of luck
Only 1 of many
Buying used games is a thing of the past. Most new games can't be sold.
Proof.!!And you've missed my point, so i'll quote...(Absolutely no proof given.!!)You have still not provided any proof regarding my post above #15.
Instead... steam, steam, steam.
You know if it looks like and smells like... it probably is lol

[cygnific]

I wont buy the game anyway. Simbin screwed the cd owners bigtime for not releasing cd patches anymore. Instead they just do steam updates. A big FU to the customers.

[vondutch51]

Just because something's on Steam doesn't mean it's piracy proof (for lack of a better term atm). Steam has been cracked, if you know where to look you can get the files and play online.:thumbdown: Nothing against Steam but it's crackable just like any other form of copy protection. Probably the best way to stop piracy (or at least slow it down) is a "cloud" type file system. But even then there are ways around that. I've seen a few I-Racing cars that have been converted to rfactor at a few of the sites I know of, thanks to a little program called 3D Ripper DX. Sad fact is that whatever Dev's come up with there will be those who look upon it as a challenge to crack the protection. Say what you will about Starforce (and I disliked it immensely) it took several years before that form of copy protection was cracked.
Wish I knew what the solution is, cause piracy is slowly killing the PC gaming industry.:twisted:

[splitpbt]

I wont buy the game anyway. Simbin screwed the cd owners bigtime for not releasing cd patches anymore. Instead they just do steam updates. A big FU to the customers.I see where you're coming from mafrien'...
I don't care steam or not.?? I'll buy it and bypass steam. And i'll not feel guilty at doing it because i've bought the DVD.

@vondutch51... i know the progie you are talking about. Although i have access to it, i have not used it myself.

But yes, Starforce was/is an aggressive copy protection system and deserves it's place in for what it stood/stands for.
But that's one thing of protecting and another of demanding/commendeering what software one has/is allowed on their PC, and this is where starforce failed - 'cos it stopped other legit softs from working correctly.

I do agree that crackers will always crack(for the challenge) and illegal DL's will always hurt the game dev's like "Simbin" the guys that we would dearly love to see survive in this war.

[cygnific]

@vondutch51 If you only knew how many people from the old pirate groups are now (and even when they where in a group) developers of copy protection tools or game dev's (like starforce, i know the guy who started it because he was in the group i was in) Maybe cloud gaming, but if you can store the data at some point it is probably useless to. Anyway, for the honest buyer it wont get better. And i buy 90% of the games these days.

[max attack]

If its steam they can keep it, I won't buy a game the rely's on the internet to work or get updates. I only race offline at work. there is no internet conection.
I hate games that NEED steam.
The game f1 2011, I havn't brought nor will I ever. Online games will never attract me.
I take my racing a little more seriously than to let fools who like crashing any where near my track.
my 16 cents.

[RMi Release Group]

my worthless input:

started with cracked / illegal GTR2 = bought the real version w/GTL
illegal cracked rFactor = bought the game
illegal / cracked Race07 = bought EVO DVD version first week of release

note: the titles above are the only software I have ever purchased, period.

[tubedrive]

Are these screenshots public yet?
https://wpyadmin.ne.cision.com/wpyfs/00/00/00/00/00/17/9B/8A/christmas-card-dec-2011.JPG

I love SimBin.

Nurburgring - Nordschleife, isn't it?

[Markao]

It's not 1995 anymore. Steam has over 30 million active (active = played at least one game last month) users and it works flawlessly.

You were not wrong, but fixed for a slightly more accurate number on the Steam user base and it is still growing rapidly.

[dartguy]

my worthless input:

started with cracked / illegal GTR2 = bought the real version w/GTL
illegal cracked rFactor = bought the game
illegal / cracked Race07 = bought EVO DVD version first week of release

note: the titles above are the only software I have ever purchased, period.

Good point.

If the devs would release demos, then release a game that doesn't still need testing and countless patches, I think a lot of us would never need to try a cracked version before buying.

I want to try the game first, because $50 stings a little.

With that said, I will purchase GTR3 ASAP. I have faith it will be the best.

[doggod]

So you're saying piracy is not a problem, not a factor. Everyone is an angel they all pay for games.

Believe what you want. "In-house disagreements". lol yeah because of money.

GTR3 will be on Steam. Like it or not. And there is only one reason: piracy.

Why do you think they stopped making patches for the non-Steam offline version of the Race series? Because anyone can download that and play it.

SimBin stopped making patches for the offline version over a year ago. Steam version has been updated many many times since then.

GTR3 won't even have an offline version. Steam only. And I support that.

The issue with Simbin not patching a product they sold (disc version) is that they became exactly the same if not worse than the pirates that they were supposedly protecting themselves from with their steam only patches
.
At no stage did they release a statement that they would only patch the steam version leaving all the dvd purchasers behind and why, I for one think that their customers should have a least an explanation, while you may argue that the dvd also included the steam version chances are that disc owners bought that version because that is the version they wanted or needed. Did they have access for steam, did they want to have steam on their machines.

I posted on racerooms forums asking where were the patches for the version that I bought legally and was not even afforded a reply and Im a customer of theirs.

Ive no issue with them moving GTR3 only to steam if they so wish but if they do so, dont sell a disc version period, even if it only contains the steam version. If people want to buy it on steam then there is no need for any confusion that the disc version will generate - will it be patched in the future etc.

And after all their work pissing of the disc owners, every version of their game from steam was released on the net anyway.
The only people that truly lost out were their customers who bought the disc version because that was the version they needed.

"GTR3 won't even have an offline version. Steam only"

Steams version wont, however Im sure which ever group decides to release it will include one.
if fact steam allows you to play off line once the initial verification is done unless they lie to their customers like Skyrims devs and their drm patch.

Interesting post can up in rfactors 2 forums regarding much the same thing, it seems there after your initial one year period is up you loose the ability to play over a lan unless you pay for online matchmaking.
Maybe GTR3 will go the same way

[bgis]

Race 07 stuff is cracked on Steam. The players with the name SKIDROW.

[-=Prodrive=-]

Most game purchases are made within the first 6 months to a year. After that, a lot of publishers are "not as concerned" about the piracy aspect. I'm sure they still care about it, however a number of developers have issued a NO CD patch after about a year for that very reason. ID did it with Quake 4 and EA did it with Battlefield 2.

There really is no excuse for a game developer to ignore a playerbase. The only thing they can do is slow pirates down, they will never stop them, they will always find a way around the encryption or the online connection required etc. The best way to combat that is to give the paying customers something extra, free tracks after 3 months via a patch, something, a "carrot" to keep them playing and to deny something to the ones playing the pirated copy.

Regarding SimBin's previous titles, I have been very disapointed in their post launch support. A lot of the content they have put out has been of questionable quality also. I will keep a close eye on GTR3, though it will be a "wait and see" rather than an "instant purchase".

[erictheez1]

Just my 2 cents:

Steam is the best of the online distribution systems by a gigantic margin. If it's going that way then it could be worse. It could be Origin. *shudder*

[gears]

The issue with Simbin not patching a product they sold (disc version) is that they became exactly the same if not worse than the pirates that they were supposedly protecting themselves from with their steam only patches
.
At no stage did they release a statement that they would only patch the steam version leaving all the dvd purchasers behind and why, I for one think that their customers should have a least an explanation, while you may argue that the dvd also included the steam version chances are that disc owners bought that version because that is the version they wanted or needed. Did they have access for steam, did they want to have steam on their machines.

I posted on racerooms forums asking where were the patches for the version that I bought legally and was not even afforded a reply and Im a customer of theirs.


I will give you the explanation:

SimBin at first, did release a few patches for the offline version. But the crack makers were making cracks for the updated versions and also ripping the expansion packs and uploading them to the torrents.

So not only was their base game being pirated, their expansions were as well.

SimBin is a small company that makes games for a small audience. They are not EA or Codemasters and they certainly don't make AAA games on multiple platforms that sell hundreds of thousands of copies, if not millions. They simply could not afford the relatively large amount of pirating that was going on.

Right here in this very forum we had members that were almost braggin about their pirated versions of GTR Evo when it came out. Their Nords track was ripped to GTR2 and rFactor literally within days of release.

A former member of this forum even had a website where you could find links to illegal copies of Race07 and the expansions with instructions on how to get it to work.

Every few weeks, still to this day, we get some "new guy" on the forums asking odd questions about Race07 and his expansions not working and it turns out he's got an illegal copy.

SimBin simply can't survive with that going on. They can't just "eat it" like bigger companies can.

So that's why they stopped updating the offline version. And that's why each expansion comes with another update: To make sure the expansion can't run on an older unpatched version. They did it for survival - and I mean that literally.

And the people who actually have a legal copy and only want to run offline are very few. I wouldn't be surprised if over 85% of the offline versions are illegal.

There's absolutely no reason not to use the Steam version if you have a legal copy. I've heard all the arguments and excuses, and to me, they're all bull. I'm sorry, but if you want updates, use Steam. Period.

[brabham67]

I, for one, welcome our steam overlords, and I will be purchasing GTR3 when it comes out...on steam.

[doggod]

And the people who actually have a legal copy and only want to run offline are very few. I wouldn't be surprised if over 85% of the offline versions are illegal.



Unless you are from Simbin , your opinion of what they did is just your opinion not an explanation from them no matter whether its close to the truth or not.

You also make the failed assumption like Ubisoft that if all that pirated that game couldn't have pirated it that they would have bought it. The amount that they sold might just as well have been all that was going to be bought in the sim market, its a much smaller market than other genres after all.

The piracy of the game shouldn't have anything to do with legal customers, but its usually the legal customers that are always feeling the brunt of either intrusive drms, devs leaving bugs unpatched etc.

I'm not so sure why you want it so badly on steam ? ( hope you aren't going to grab a "demo" to see if its worth buying) as that is one of the most easily bypassed drms these days, much better if they went with something like Fade from the ARMA series, or Ubisofts always online ( a dropped connection force quitting the game) or I mean if you really want to protect the companies interest, have a member of the devs or their representatives present each time you want to play, of course you would have to wait in line using this method but as you have not much time for customers anyway(or at least when it doesn't affect you), I assume you would be quite happy with that arrangement.

My post before wasn't to discuss piracy - nothing to do with me, only to point out that Simbin could with copping on and treating their paying customers better.

[gears]

My post before wasn't to discuss piracy - nothing to do with me, only to point out that Simbin could with copping on and treating their paying customers better.

They treat their customers better than most. If you don't want to get the updates from Steam, then that's on you, not them.

Name a single company that still provides updates for a game that's almost 5 years old.

They provide the updates through Steam. That's their choice. It's your choice not to get them through Steam.

Despite what you say about Steam being easily bypassed, currently it's the only way they have of being relatively sure that paying customers are getting the updates and not people who warezed it.

And btw, Steam is constantly updating itself as well. So the bypasses you speak of may work for a while, but then it gets updated and they don't work anymore.

So I stand by and support their decision. I've never heard anyone come up with a good reason for not using Steam - and I've heard a quite a few.

[splitpbt]

I will give you the explanation:

SimBin at first, did release a few patches for the offline version. But the crack makers were making cracks for the updated versions and also ripping the expansion packs and uploading them to the torrents.

So that's why they stopped updating the offline version.
Proof.!!

And that's why each expansion comes with another update: To make sure the expansion can't run on an older unpatched version. They did it for survival - and I mean that literally.

Proof.!! that it's as you say "To make sure the expansion can't run on an older unpatched version." and not to fix the bugs from previous release.

And the people who actually have a legal copy and only want to run offline are very few.
Proof.!!

I've heard all the arguments and excuses, and to me, they're all bull. I'm sorry, but if you want updates, use Steam. Period.
You're not learning are you.?? You keep making unfounded statements and refuse to bakup those statements with proof.

This whole thread is littered with "your" opinions of what the majorities and minorities want and dont want.

I have already asked you in post #15 for proof, but once again and still, refuse to bakup with facts.

lol... how many facepalms is it gonna take.??

[gears]

Most of what I said is common knowledge. A combination of following SimBin and their Devs on Twitter (and talking with them on there) and reading the RaceRoom and Race Department forums daily. I can't be arsed to provide you with links.

Look it up yourself if it bothers you so much :)

[splitpbt]

Most of what I said is common knowledge. A combination of following SimBin and their Devs on Twitter (and talking with them on there) and reading the RaceRoom and Race Department forums daily. I can't be arsed to provide you with links.

Look it up yourself if it bothers you so much :)Still no proof.!!
You fail bad lol...

[gears]

lol I'm not running for political office bro. Believe what you want :)

[cygnific]

Just wait until you get a dispute with Valve and see your account gone/blocked.. Bye bye games (all of them) Then tell me again steam is great..

[andicirk]

im personally hoping that when GTR3 is eventually released they go to a code to get onto Multiplayer and basically dump Steams as it is not fit for purpose anymore . Race 07 's online play has suffered badly due to steam and also its sales ( if it was a one user cd code then there would be less ppl playing online with hacked games/steam accounts )
so lets hope that steam is dropped as they dont answer question regarding the pirating issues and its there crap security that is costing Simbin sales beacuse racing against the Ai isnt the same as racing against other ppl

Andi

[tubedrive]

Can anyone tell me what tracks appear in these screenshots from GTR3? They are from SimBin. I seem to spot an Aston Martin there, too.

https://wpyadmin.ne.cision.com/wpyfs/00/00/00/00/00/17/9B/8A/christmas-card-dec-2011.JPG

I have not seen them anywhere else yet. Would u have a look at them, they seem more interesting and on topic than steam nonsense.

[doggod]

They treat their customers better than most. If you don't want to get the updates from Steam, then that's on you, not them.

Name a single company that still provides updates for a game that's almost 5 years old.

They provide the updates through Steam. That's their choice. It's your choice not to get them through Steam.

Despite what you say about Steam being easily bypassed, currently it's the only way they have of being relatively sure that paying customers are getting the updates and not people who warezed it.

And btw, Steam is constantly updating itself as well. So the bypasses you speak of may work for a while, but then it gets updated and they don't work anymore.

So I stand by and support their decision. I've never heard anyone come up with a good reason for not using Steam - and I've heard a quite a few.

If you read my replies you would have noticed i have no issue with them using steam.
What they released weren't updates as you call them but bug fixes to the original game, I wasn't discussing any addons they decided to sell.
You mention how they are a company that released updates after 5 year, maybe you can name one other company that released patches but only to certain customers while at the same time refusing others with bug fixes.

They lost sales of the addons to me not because I couldn't get them on steam but on a point of principle, I could no longer trust that they would stand over their product, that means to everyone.

I wish them the best of luck with GTR3 and I hope that its the game that everyone is hoping it will be but heres one small thing to think on.

If they decide to only release on steam and the game is cracked and pirated
will they then decide to forgo patch updating to all of their customers, after all they now have a history of dumping customer support of the customers that dont suit them.

[LeSunTzu]

Let's hope the game will be more creative than the thread titles in this section.

[Cham3leon]

So, how expensive do you think the game will be? I was thinking about finally making a Steam account and for once buying a decent game that will enterntain me for a long time, which GTR3 will be (hope i'm not jinxing it).

[freejrs]

I'm guessing about £29.99.

[-=Prodrive=-]

I have no problem with the Steam version itself, however I do wish they could make it so that it doesn't take around a minute to start the game up. The offline version takes about 5 seconds.

[dartguy]

Can anyone tell me what tracks appear in these screenshots from GTR3? They are from SimBin. I seem to spot an Aston Martin there, too.

https://wpyadmin.ne.cision.com/wpyfs/00/00/00/00/00/17/9B/8A/christmas-card-dec-2011.JPG

I have not seen them anywhere else yet. Would u have a look at them, they seem more interesting and on topic than steam nonsense.

Looks like Nurburgring GP to me.

[PhenOm]

As long as we can add mods/cars/tracks I don't really care whether they use steam or not.
ps. Steam might be nice to use but think about it, all the stuff they sell on there is overpriced.
I can get 90% of the games which are also brought out on cd for like 20-30% cheaper in store. So as long as they bring out a DVD version I'm ok with it

ps. been waiting for this news since GTR2 came out.

[SmIl3r nate]

is it going to be based off of any series? Blacpain? GT3 euro championship?

[nezeiges]

my worthless input:

started with cracked / illegal GTR2 = bought the real version w/GTL
illegal cracked rFactor = bought the game
illegal / cracked Race07 = bought EVO DVD version first week of release

note: the titles above are the only software I have ever purchased, period.


I can't agree more.
I did exactly the same

:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

[SwedishFrog]

Even if it's on DVD, there will probably be Steam also. Race07 and many of the expansions came on DVD, but Steam was still required.

I love Steam. If games aren't offered through Steam, I'm disappointed. I don't know why people have a problem with it. I prefer it. If it wasn't for Steam, we'd all have crappy DRM like Starforce on our computers. No thank you.

It's not 1995 anymore. Steam has over 15 million users and it works flawlessly.

I can access my games through any computer, anywhere in the world, unlimited downloads and backups, no disks to keep track of, CD keys are tied to my account, automatic updates for my games...

It's a great system.

See your point...just with S2U...I made friends on autolog to race clean and their 'experienced' Steam update messed things up to race ever again...;-)
Otherwise, sure offer Both for sure. WE use the NOCD/NODVD option mod too now:-D

[SwedishFrog]

LOL...we spend so much more on hardware to enjoy racing this great simulator...it';s a game. A really good one... I can wait. Really enjoy GTR 2 and its many mods and tracks and multiplayer and setting up my own races, tuning flexibility and physics the best ...etc...

Enjoyed your entertaining debate...LOL

[Darkheart]

31063:thumbup::thumbup:

[SwedishFrog]

31063:thumbup::thumbup:

+1 lol

[NorthernUnion]

Oh..............my..............god!
I've been bitching and moaning about the quality of racing sim sound effects and if what i have just heard is going to be in the game then they have my money already!!

[NorthernUnion]

my worthless input:

started with cracked / illegal GTR2 = bought the real version w/GTL
illegal cracked rFactor = bought the game
illegal / cracked Race07 = bought EVO DVD version first week of release

note: the titles above are the only software I have ever purchased, period.

Me too. I always download a game and evaluate it before paying for it. I've downloaded and then payed for all of the Simbin games. I don't mind paying money for a quality product.
Anything i don't like i delete that say day if i don't like it.

[Darkheart]

Me too. I always download a game and evaluate it before paying for it. I've downloaded and then payed for all of the Simbin games. I don't mind paying money for a quality product.
Anything i don't like i delete that say day if i don't like it.


I will never pay full price for a game. I would rather wait a few months then buy it on the cheap.

:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup: Which is the great part about SimBin games. There games are never way over priced. I don't mind paying $30-$40 dollars for a SimBin product. It's worth it.

ummm I was going to say more but I've total blanked out.... time for bed...

[29manzglade]

I also prefer to pay one time 40 or 50 € than paying every month for it like iracing. Simbin rocks<3

[Romee]

merry x-max from SimBim

http://www.gamercommunity.ch/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=790.0;attach=1322; image

[wildcard1]

Deffo purchase,steam or not....

[LogRoad]

Race07/Evo, etc. offline install from disc; no Steam, no GFWL, no online registration/activation at all, ever.

Bravo SimBin!

Frank