First Beta of GTR 3 will release ....

[Blackbrird99]

First Beta of GTR 3 will release in end of the month - http://bit.ly/H5MCyE

[DurgeDriven]

'bout time ! :angry:


:laugh:

[NorthernUnion]

Oh oh oh yes it is that time :D

[NorthernUnion]

Wait.....whats the date of that post? Damn it that shits not funny. So looking forward to this sim.

[bobwilliams]

Wait.....whats the date of that post? Damn it that shits not funny. So looking forward to this sim.

So freakin' real :laugh:

I only hope it won't be a shadow of its former glory. :unsure:

[JacnGille]

I only hope it won't be a shadow of its former glory. :unsure:

If it sees its shadow will there be six more weeks of winter??????? :mrgreen:

[DoubleT]

At this rate, I won't have time for anything else. The sims are coming fast and furious...RF2, PCARS, GTR3, AC... wow! it's going to be a great year for simracing. Every developer seems to be bringing something new as well. Sounds in GTR3, Lighting in RF2, Shading and textures in PC and Everything else in AC.

[maeckie]

now that you put it like this, i have this utopic picture in my mind, that they all team up, to make the one´n´only sim for the next few decades :)

[brabham67]

now that you put it like this, i have this utopic picture in my mind, that they all team up, to make the one´n´only sim for the next few decades :)

Do you need me to pinch you!! Wake up maeckie!! You've fallen into a deep dream state! :mrgreen:

[WildBill]

"they all team up, to make the one´n´only sim for the next few decades"

One sim to rule them all--One sim to bind them
One sim to make them race--and on their laptops find them

DRAGON:-D

[ravenmorpheus2k]

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Unfortunately due to


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We will end up with many jack of all trades and masters of none... :-(

[maeckie]

:-) great posts ! :thumbup:

[olleh]

Which month? Which year? :(

[brabham67]

Which month? Which year? :(


No one knows. Could be this year, maybe next. Or never! Hard to say. :mrgreen:

[cyrax_delso]

awesome

[emmeth]

That's a rumor.

Other rumors say that the GTR3 project has been cancelled for ever in favor of Race Room.

[LogRoad]

Or Race Room has been bought by Race Net, which has been bought by Simply Mad Studios, thereby delaying the release of pCARS until some time after December 2013.

Frank

[triskele10]

There's an update with the Saleen and a new track layout, + a button for the Beta

[DurgeDriven]

Some time you have to wake up from smelling the roses :)

I got hooked on sims bad from Indy500 and brought everything up to rFactor
and sidetracked into "arcade" people reckoned where half real lolp
At times I had a dozen running with heavy modded multi folders.

I not in the state of mind to delete my GTR-GTL-rF folders yet and GPL I just won't, I waiting for IOM Full Road. lopl ( who is dreaming ) then I have pCARS and rF2.

Then there is others I have not even tired GSC, AC, RaceRoom, only ever had a few drives of iRacing .....it is all too much. lol

Not getting on the merry go round again.
New Year Resolution clean house.

[GTAce]

There's an update with the Saleen and a new track layout, + a button for the Beta

The Beta button is for the RaceRoom Beta, not for GTR³.

[JumpStart]

Then there is others I have not even tired GSC, AC, RaceRoom, only ever had a few drives of iRacing .....it is all too much. lol

Not getting on the merry go round again.
New Year Resolution clean house.

Then you've cheated yourself, as GSC is one of the best games going!

[Kazumi]

I haven't tried AC either yet... mhhh :?:

Like 5 track racing sims maybe is a bit too much. So about GTR3 I'm not too worried but I wish RREE would be a bit different then just like GTR3 but with much less features. Waiting for Hillclimb :-)


We will end up with many jack of all trades and masters of none... :-(
Exactly. GTR3 would just be about GT racing... so they could focus on capturing that and the whole atmosphere. I don't even mind that they not licence a full GT series, instead they could build many GT cars and the best tracks worldwide.

[NorthernUnion]

Gsg?

[Kazumi]

German counter-terrorist unit?

GSC - Game Stock Car ;)

http://www.nogripracing.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=106

[NorthernUnion]

Oh, cheers.

[PortuguesePilot]

sorry, but i just have to ask:

does anyone actually know anything about GTR3? i'm not talking about that RaceRoom Experience thing, i'm actually talking about the actual successor of the venerable GTR2 game.

will GTR3 actually happen or has it been cancelled for good? and whatever answer you'll give me, is there any factual information to back it up other than rumours?

thanks in advance...

[kooda]

Good question. I believe it's been about a year now since we go to hear that awesome "sound bite" of a Ferrari ( I think ). I had totally forgot about it until I saw this post. You can't hype something and expect to keep interest going for this long. I'm a monster fan of GTR2, so I have my hopes up about it, but they piss me off starting something, then making everyone wait so long. I thought the game would be out for xmas LAST year.

[emmeth]

Rumors say that GTR3 has been definitely cancelled in favor of Race Room that BTW is definitely late. I hope that does not mean it will be cancelled as well or published in a very early alpha stage.

Being myself a GTR2 fan as well I can only cry but Rfactor 2 seems to be quite promising, even if the final release could be late 2013, optimistically speaking.

[David Wright]

Its possible Simbin might do the FIA GT series within the RRE framework.

The other thing to bear in mind is that the current FIA GT championship is very different to the 2003/4 Championships in GTR2. One hour races. No NGT cars.

[PortuguesePilot]

this was my suspicion all along and it just comes to point towards my initial goal, which was to show, via A+B, that GTR3 will not happen (at least not any time soon, safe if this so called RRE bombs). in my opinion, SimBin was wrong in binning GTR3 in favour of a pay-2-play thing. after the considerable amount of praise and respect directed towards them for giving us GTL, GTR and GTR2, GTR3 - a finished, boxed, no-fees, modable full-game - should have been the rightful heir of the prestigious SimBin lineage.

but if GTR3 has been cancelled, the question rises: why is there still a separate forum for it?

[David Wright]

this was my suspicion all along and it just comes to point towards my initial goal, which was to show, via A+B, that GTR3 will not happen (at least not any time soon, safe if this so called RRE bombs). in my opinion, SimBin was wrong in binning GTR3 in favour of a pay-2-play thing. after the considerable amount of praise and respect directed towards them for giving us GTL, GTR and GTR2, GTR3 - a finished, boxed, no-fees, modable full-game - should have been the rightful heir of the prestigious SimBin lineage.

but if GTR3 has been cancelled, the question rises: why is there still a separate forum for it?

RRE is free to play , not pay to play.

[tracearo]

The West bros. will be bringing out something soon...

[NorthernUnion]

Well if GTR3 has been binned for RRE they wont be getting any more of my money. I'll pay for GTR3 but i wont be conned out of more money for what is essentially GTR:Evo and Race the game and so on.

[Jack_NL]

The West bros. will be bringing out something soon...

:laugh:

[David Wright]

Well if GTR3 has been binned for RRE they wont be getting any more of my money. I'll pay for GTR3 but i wont be conned out of more money for what is essentially GTR:Evo and Race the game and so on.

You won't have to pay for RRE - it's free!

Not sure how you will be conned. You play RRE for free. If you like it and are happy with the price, you can buy extra cars and tracks. Just the ones you want. If you don't like it you can play something else.

[Insegnanteinglese]

If it sees its shadow will there be six more weeks of winter??????? :mrgreen:
:)

[Insegnanteinglese]

The West bros. will be bringing out something soon...
Ha!

[NorthernUnion]

You won't have to pay for RRE - it's free!

Not sure how you will be conned. You play RRE for free. If you like it and are happy with the price, you can buy extra cars and tracks. Just the ones you want. If you don't like it you can play something else.

Yes in hindsight "conned" was a poor choice of words. My beef is more the fact that GTR3 has been canned if the rumours are to be believed.

[PortuguesePilot]

(...) You play RRE for free.

IMO, you play an incomplete thing for free. but it's just a ruse. they give you a platform and then you pay to fill it up. that's your idea of free? we have very different perceptions of what is free. netKar namie (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeToHQ1DuM0&feature=related) was free. this isn't.

If you like it and are happy with the price, you can buy extra cars and tracks. Just the ones you want. If you don't like it you can play something else.

see, you say so yourself. how can something you pay for be free? they trick you with the "play RRE! it's free!" slogan and then you end up paying dearly for filling it up with content. it's like giving you a chassis and then having you buy every other component of the car. does that make the car free?

if you get into these games - which i'm smart enough not to - you will eventually feel the need to buy EVERY car, EVERY track and EVERY other thing and it will, i guarantee you, be much more expensive that way than it would be to buy a full-finished boxed product as in the days of old.

"oh i'll only buy the cars i want, i won't need to buy every car" you say? you really believe that? what will you feel, then, when you cannot access certain races or leagues because you don't have the needed cars/tracks/whatever? if you don't get everything you need, you'll be playing a butchered version rather than the intended full product. in my days, this was called a "demo". so, by not having everything, you'll be playing a demo rather than the full game. in my days demos were free. now you're paying for demos... and in some cases, you're even paying for betas and alphas... and people aren't complaining! i just don't understand that!

anyway: with RRE, SimBin gave into the milking strategies that iRacing came up with and that seems to be shaping up to become the standard amongst many simulators (and other games as well). i absolutely abhor this business model. i have used it to criticize iRacing (despite it being apparently a rather OK simulator), i've used it to criticize Simraceway (just a milking-based rehash of rFactor...) and i have even used it to criticize pCARS (which hasn't yet confirmed or infirmed the use of this milking strategy, though i think they will implement it). i'm not a hypocrite - and despite SimBin still having my respect after they gave us some of the best simulators ever - i will have to criticize RRE as well for using this dreaded business model.

this business model effectively makes us all a sort of "cash cows" that they milk for as long as they can. you may be OK with that but i surely am not. in my personal opinion, if we all refused to concede to this business model (by not using/supporting any product that uses it - regardless of how good the product itself is), we would force the industry to go back to making no-fee/no-milking/no-online-requirement products.

this is my opinion, anyway. naturally, you are free to agree or disagree with it.

having said that, i must also note that this thread has, however, ventured too much into off-topic. the bottom-line idea still is: if GTR3 isn't happening anytime soon (if ever), then this whole subforum has no reason to exist and should be binned. or else, we could also open a GTL2 or a GPL2 or, indeed, a Racing Legends subforum, heh?

cheers, mates.

[brabham67]

Micro-transactions(or milking if you prefer) are the new way of doing things in the gaming world. The beauty of that systems is that if you don't like it, you can choose not to participate. Developers decide how they want to charge for their content, and their product lives or dies by the decisions of the potential clients and whether they buy into it or not..

You would think that micro-transactions would kill a game or genre of games, but in fact the opposite has been proved true, so game devs are going this direction more and more.

I don't have an issue with it, as long as development of the title continues, as is the case with iRacing. I think RRRE will do the same. Rather than develop a game, release to market, issue a few patches, and then move on to the next thing; they can continue development of a title with the stream of money coming in. More cars, tracks, in game features, ect..

Good or bad, is up to the consumer. If bad, well, at least you have older titles that you can enjoy.

[PortuguesePilot]

IMO, it's bad. you pay for games waaay more than you ever did before and yet they shamelessly claim to be "free 2 play".

and, also IMO, the continued support of a developer in a given game as you claim is (and indeed seems to be) happening with iRacing can also be a less-than-good thing. take iRacing as an example: AFAIK, they came up with this milking strategy thing and are, i must admit, the best organised milking sect i have known (i bet that other developers won't have half the success that Kaemmer did with iRacing) and the game seems to be supported by a very tight community, yet if you look at iRacing, it starts to look just as aged and as surpassed as any other game of the same period (gMotor2 games, netKar PRO, etc). yet, iRacers don't seem to be willing to change. they don't want to part from their investment. you have some iRacers that have invested over 1000$ in their iRacing! you have members that feel the urge - dare i say the need? - to pay ~30$ a month just to maintain the status. these iRacers surely don't want to see their investment go to waste. they will, then, cling to that game for as long as they can.

what will this do? it will, in the end, impair development. by having a dedicated community clinging to a forever-going incremental milking-based game, simdevs won't feel the need to come up with new, fresher products. while in the old days, as soon as a sim game was put out to the market, the guys that did it were already versed on making a new, better one. now, with these iRacing-like strategies being implemented everywhere, we will see less and less new - possibly ground-breaking - simulators spring here and there.

another side-effect of these milking strategies is that people who have fallen for one of them will stick to it with a quasi-religious fervour that makes them sort-of-blind to anything else. almost in a "Grand Prix Legends 4 with Full 3DHD and smell-o-cam? ah! who needs that when i have iRacing?" sort of way. this is inherently human and not predicting this side-effect is a blatant mistake. it will, also, contribute not only to the aforementioned stagnation of game development but - also - kill off any potential newcomers that could have a saying in the business (Papyrus, SimBin, ISI... they all started one day. imagine if they were smothered from the get go. imagine what we'd be deprived of. see where i'm trying to go?).

as i have had the chance of expressing before: i think that we, simplayers, have more to loose by falling prey to these milking strategies than we ever have to gain. it is my clear conviction that we should make a stand against it. Bart Simpson used to say "don't have a cow, man". i'll go a bit further and say: "don't be a cow, man."

[edubz123]

think there will be a lot of pressure on iRacing in 2013 with all the new racing games. Perhaps their strategy/pricing will start to change (in favor of the player).

I forget the name but there's a word for this psychology, where you defend your "mistake" because you are deeply commited to it. It's not Buyers Remorse, but something else....

[PortuguesePilot]

I forget the name but there's a word for this psychology, where you defend your "mistake" because you are deeply commited to it. It's not Buyers Remorse, but something else....

i think this whole "iRacing/whatever pay-2-play game you want" phenomena is actually a complex myriad of things and not just one isolated mechanism. i think this intertwines the Milgram effect, Asch's paradigm, Lewin's group dynamics, etc. it even has hints of sociological aspects akin to what Stark and Bainbridge have found on their studies.

there will be a breaking point on iRacing and its community, but i don't know if this next-gen sims will do it. maybe it has to be something more radical, precisely because of that fierce adhesion to their beloved, highly invested baby. when the crevasse between iRacing and other sims becomes too large, though, the break will occur. but Kaemmer, being the smart dude he is, isn't going to idly wait until that happens. there will be a sort of iRacing2 or something with a strategy-of-storts to hold on to the good-old-customers using some cliché bonus like having half of your investment on iRacing get ported over to the new game or something like that...

ideally, i wished that sim devs would stop this pay-2-play nonsense once and for all.

[Freddyfartbox]

Consider the fact that Sim racing is a pretty niche market, and the pay to play system makes sense. As an example, GTR2 is released, a no cd crack is released, the game is found on torrents, lots of people get it for free, plus all the free mods and add on tracks, and the short story is the developer makes very little money. Compared to other gaming genres sim racing is nowhere near as profitable.

[David Wright]

I think if you start out with the attitude that developers are there "to milk" people, then perhaps you need to find a new hobby.

Developers need to earn money to live. If you can produce a big seller like Gran Turismo no doubt there is real money to be made. But the PC racing sim market is tiny compared to consoles. Given the high rates of piracy these days, if anyone is getting milked its the developers.

In the past, ISI, Papyrus and Simbin produced a new game each year. Most of us were happy to buy them each year. Simbin more recently adopted the concept of expansion packs so if you already owned the base game, you didn't need to pay the price of a full game for the new content.

I personally have no problems controlling my spending. I will be staggered if Simbin adopt iRacing prices for their cars and tracks. My prediction is for the £30 price of a game you will be able to buy a dozen cars and a dozen tracks for RRE. Of course I could be wrong. Simbin are not a big developer - I can't see them churning out hundreds of cars and dozens of tracks each year.

In my opinion, far from restricting development, RRE will encourage it. In the past you bought GTR/GTL/GTR2 and you knew that they would never develop and add new features. The new features would be in next years game. With RRE I expect the basic game to develop over time. I don't see a new RRE coming out each year for which the content you've bought won't work. I see it more like the iRacing system where the game engine develops. But you won't have to pay a subscription, nor high prices for tracks and cars, because Simbin are aiming at a much wider audience than just online racers.

On the downside I don't see Simbin offering laser scanned tracks, nor the very structured on-line racing service which iRacing do. And like iRacing, I don't see Simbin allowing modding. This is a shame, but with rF2 and AC definitely supporting modding, and pCARS likely to support modding, we won't be short of mod platforms.

[brabham67]

think there will be a lot of pressure on iRacing in 2013 with all the new racing games. Perhaps their strategy/pricing will start to change (in favor of the player).



They've lowered prices in the past, and will likely lower them again.

@PortuguesePilot

I'm one of those guys that has invested almost $1000 into iRacing. Maybe there is some unconscious part of me that defends that string of purchases. Who knows. Frankly, I don't have an issue with it. It's my money and I'll spend it how I want. If there wasn't a market for that pricing strategy, or a demographic that was more than willing to pay that price, they would have gone out of business long ago.

Ever sim we play has pro's and con's. We each have a favorite because the there is something about the pro's that keep us playing it, and for each of us, those pro's out weigh the cons.

Eventually there will come a time that I will walk away from sim racing and gaming in general. And I'll walk away not regretting the $1000's I have spent on games, hardware, ect. I make the choice and live with the outcome.

If iRacing were to fall of the face of the planet tomorrow, I'd be pissed for about it a few days. Then I would just move on to something else. Every penny I have spent on this hobby is disposable to me. Naturally I expect some value for my money, but that is subjective, and I have no regrets about any of it.:thumbup:

[-=Prodrive=-]

Years back, devs released "expansions". I remember picking up the Papyrus 1993 expansion pack for the PC. I think it was about £10 from my local HMV (which no longer sells PC games at all by the way). Expansions are the way to go. Release it 9 months or so after the main game, price it decently and people will buy it.

[PortuguesePilot]

after reading all of your comments, it's fairly easy to deprehend that i am in the minority regarding my way of thinking. i still stand to what i said, though. i still think that, in the long run, milking will be detrimental to the racing sim world.

however, since i stand with Churchill when he said "democracy is the worst form of government... except all the others", i'll just reserve myself to silence and let the majority have their way. i do not wish to fatigue any of you with my thoughts and opinions. i will, though, stand strong on my decision NOT to fall prey to the milking strategies. software devs earned good enough before milking was devised. now they earn even more. they need to live? well so do i. i will not invest up to 1000$ in a game. period. you can call me whatever you want.

Years back, devs released "expansions". I remember picking up the Papyrus 1993 expansion pack for the PC. I think it was about £10 from my local HMV (which no longer sells PC games at all by the way). Expansions are the way to go. Release it 9 months or so after the main game, price it decently and people will buy it.

expansions i am not against. expansions - especially if they're of good quality AND cheap - are a good way to go. SimBin used this strategy with Race07 and i got all the expansions they put forth for sale. but apparently they are after more profit and that seems to mean that they wave goodbye to expansions and say hello to milking. my support for SimBin has stopped here. sorry if this offends anyone, but it's a matter of principle.

[brabham67]

i will not invest up to 1000$ in a game. period. you can call me whatever you want.


Wise, spend thrift, and a man of principles, are a few names that come to mind. ;-)

[DurgeDriven]

Whats $1,000 among friends..........

Back in the day I would run 10 titles that cost $100 each !

Today I have about $500 worth of newer titles....bar rF2 I do not even use them. !

If rF2 keeps me lapping all night online it has done its job whether it costs 50 or 1000 is immaterial to me.

ie: I willl be using rF2 for 2-3 years easy , if it cost $1,000 well ....that is 1 dollar a day

A donut costs more..............

[brabham67]

Steam just recently had it's annual Halloween Sale. My poor bank account took a hit, LOL! You just can't pass up some of those deals. I got FEAR3 for $5, and Fallout:New Vegas Ultimate edition with all the DLC for $15.

Now I have to find the time to play them.

[shadow explorer]

Problem is not everyone has that kind of money to spend in a game.
Secondly in online games you buy thin air.
The content offered is never yours to keep,its locked in a server,so you pay for it.... but its never yours...

I like to keep the stuff i pay for.
Thats my main issue with that kind of business model,since I'm a guy who despise online DRM or anything close to that.

To be honest I find companies that use online activation systems for single player games much worse than iRacing and the likes.

At least if you chose to play the "Free" to play ones,you know what's going on


Back when i was a child though, you would buy a game and keep it for life...

Now you buy a beta that is baptized final and its not even 100% complete
half of the game might be DLC that costs more than the game...

On top of that you do not even own the game...if it requires online activation
it will always tied to their servers,so unless you crack it its not yours to keep

In pay to play model (i racing etc) all the game is a DLC.


What worries me the most, is that more and more companies jump into the wagon...

[JumpStart]

Wise, spend thrift, and a man of principles, are a few names that come to mind. ;-)

FRUGAL

:thumbup:

[Frutigr4n]

I used to play Race 07 saga but I got tired of cheaters and wreckers, and not everyone has time to be an active member of a community and enter organized races a given day at a certain time.

For me, iRacing was a solution to run against people of my level when I had a free moment.

I spent $ 260 in a year to have what it takes to run in some class D and C road categories. I do not feel milked, I pay for fun and to aboid any wreaker or chetar made me waste my time.

[Gimlett]

So just to re-cap then, when is GTR3 coming out ?

[Scalage]

So just to re-cap then, when is GTR3 coming out ?

Never

[NorthernUnion]

gtr3.com is still up.

[Cham3leon]

Just wondering if the tech developed for GTR3 so far is used on the new RaceRoom or did it go to waste?

[El1iP3S01D]

Your right it will never see the light of day.

[Apollyon]

Simbin is a joke these days, if GTR3 ever does come out it will be a shadow of what the series used to be. I have given up on them, I don't see the point in supporting them anymore.

[NorthernUnion]

Apart from some guy sending me snotty private messages here at NoGrip if i dare ask a question (yes you Andig) Simbin don't like all they seem interested in are generic RaceOn games and they seem to have abandoned GTR3.
For me i'm thinking about keeping my money till Rfactor2 comes out.

[shadow explorer]

Gtr3 is practicaly raceroom.. again Simbin seems to have monetary issues,thus the release pack @ steam.

so if raceroom development stops or fails,it will be rebranded as GTR3
or it can be rebranded as GTR3 anyways down the road,I do not see how they could create a different engine for GTR3...
of course this is only my thoughts on the subject.

[triskele10]

The FIA GT is very confusing these days. So if they release the ADAC GT Masters (or any other GT series) for RRRE, they can call it GTR3 or any other name.

[warwick]

Apollyon,
Simbin a joke?
I imagine that you are taking part in the beta testing to have come to this conclusion?

[Gutshot]

Sometimes I wonder why all the bile.

Spend your fun money on something that you find fun and dont worry about somebody else's fun, they are allowed to be happy too.

Whether GTR3 ever comes out or not, I had years of joy with GPL,
GTR, GTR2, GTL, RFactor, Etc.1-45.

But for the last 3 I have been extremely happy with iRacing and its no additional cost upgrades. It doesnt cost "$30 a month". If you shop the sales it costs around $60 a year, and if you want additional laser scanned tracks you have to buy them too for about $10-$12 each. However, if you need "free" to be happy, then go to "free".

From my own point of view, a laser scanned track is the current height of accuracy and learning how to drive such a track is worthwhile to me. And to me, having a good wheel, shifter and pedal set adds to the fun. And to make life better I recently picked up a cheap junker stick shift 2door 91 Ford Escort so I can practice real heel/toe downshifting on some lonely road.

So, I found a product in iRacing that makes me happy. If you have something else that makes you happy thats great! When something else that better suits my fancy comes around, or my taste changes, I'll spend my happy time there, and be as grateful to iRacing as I was to GTR2 for the good memories.

[David Wright]

Some wise words there. We should be happy that in the coming year we will have the choice of iRacing, Simbins RRE, SMS's pCARS, rF2 and Assetto Corsa. Each providing a variety of approaches to payment schemes, moddability, on-line racing options and AI.

I'm not sure if the apparent enthusiasm for GTR3 is based on enthusiasm for the current FIA GT series or love for GTR2. What is certain is that the current GT championship is so changed from ts 2004 counterpart that GTR3 would be very different to GTR2 and would probably disappoint many GTR2 fans.

[brabham67]

Some wise words there. We should be happy that in the coming year we will have the choice of iRacing, Simbins RRE, SMS's pCARS, rF2 and Assetto Corsa. Each providing a variety of approaches to payment schemes, moddability, on-line racing options and AI.

I'm not sure if the apparent enthusiasm for GTR3 is based on enthusiasm for the current FIA GT series or love for GTR2. What is certain is that the current GT championship is so changed from ts 2004 counterpart that GTR3 would be very different to GTR2 and would probably disappoint many GTR2 fans.
:thumbup:
I have to imagine that nostalgia is a PITA for developers like Simbin.

[Scalage]

People just want to feel the same excitement like they had with GTR2. Although that title had a lot of naysayers as well (remember all the posts saying it's not a sim because it was easier to drive?). They have a nostalgic feeling about GTR2 and they want that feeling resembled in a new title.
But as David said correctly, GT is so different from the 2003 and 2004 seasons it will never be the same kind of title. There is no multi-class racing in GT series (apart from the amateur and pro distinction) anymore. A Le Mans title would be your best bet these days. But even that series is in my opinion less interesting than in the early 2000's.

[Apollyon]

I don't need to take part in anything to know when something is far from what it used to be, you cant tell me that simbin's focus on stuff like raceroom is going to improve the chances of there being a gtr3. Say gtr3 does come out, as others have said it's pretty much going to be raceroom anyway and to be honest that is far from what anyone would expect from simbin, the game engine is lacking compared to todays standards so where has the quality of the product gone.

[triskele10]

I don't need to take part in anything to know when something is far from what it used to be, you cant tell me that simbin's focus on stuff like raceroom is going to improve the chances of there being a gtr3. Say gtr3 does come out, as others have said it's pretty much going to be raceroom anyway and to be honest that is far from what anyone would expect from simbin, the game engine is lacking compared to todays standards so where has the quality of the product gone.
Today's standards? The grafics engine is new, the menu is the most modern in any racegame. The whole game is an improvement over previous Simbin titles.
This is not a movie or screenshot maker, its a racing game.

[NorthernUnion]

When you start with a low bar as the Race Room titles are it's not hard to improve on them. But do they stack up against other racing sims?

[DurgeDriven]

I will be staggered if Simbin adopt iRacing prices for their cars and tracks. My prediction is for the £30 price of a game you will be able to buy a dozen cars and a dozen tracks for RRE.


It is not about quanity rather quality.

Some of Race content and expansions were passable at best, others were just plain bad. I would go far as there is not a single model stands out.

Where else do you have 1000 drivers for a race.

Laser scanned.

Better enforced rules, scrutinerring, marshalls.

I don't own it I can see the extra value of all that.

Not as easy as just saying this has more cars per dollar. :twisted:

[David Wright]

I don't think you understood my post. I was simply predicting that Simbin's prices would be much lower than iRacings. And my prediction was correct. The prices RRRE announced are about one third to a half the price of their iRacing equivalent.

I don't dispute you largely get what you pay for. iRacing's tracks are likely to be of higher quality than Simbin's and the monthly subscription (Simbin's RRRE is free) is certainly justified for some by the controlled and well populated on-line racing. Since I prefer to race the AI it's perhaps not surprising that iRacing doesn't appeal to me.

Simbin and iRacing are aiming at different markets. iRacing are targeting the tens of thousands of people who race on-line. And they are selling a "Rolls Royce" product. Simbin are mainly targeting the hundreds of thousands who race the AI, and are selling a "Ford" or at best a "BMW" product.

[Alfadan]

whats wrong with simbins games....?

What else can they do with cars and tracks!!! Put guns on them Geez!!!

Try owning a console and getting your racing kicks out of that, then you have a right to complain!!

[David Wright]

whats wrong with simbins games....?


I think they are fine for the market they are aimed at i.e the majority of sim-racers.

What else can they do with cars and tracks!!! Put guns on them Geez!!!

What they could do is laser scan the tracks to make them more accurate, especially in terms of bumps. However, this is very expensive if you do it the way iRacing does and I sure most sim-racers do not want to pay the premium required. Kunos (Assetto Corsa) may have found a more cost effective method of obtaining laser scanned track data - we shall see. In terms of cars I think iRacing work more closely with the car manufacturer to get the detail in the physics more accurate. Though even iRacing are not infallible and again, you pay a high premium for their cars.

[Needforspeedgamer]

I'd like to play GTR3 if the Beta version releases.

[Alfadan]

once again my beginner knowledge has failed me :(

I think (coming from an xbox) the physics are great on the cars, the tracks seem pretty good to me. i did think that paddock hill was steeper irl - having been there many times before - compared to race. But obviously theres a lot more realism to be had..

But where do you draw the line between absolute realism, and fun for a simulator.