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I am starting to look at the MoTeC data in detail and when I look at the Throttle Position Histogram, most of the results are Orange (90%) even though I think I have the Throttle at 100%. Do I need to change something to ensure I am getting full throttle? I'm using a G25. I only change up when in the Red Bars on the Rev counter so I don't know what (or if) I am doing anything wrong?
Try this tool. At the bottom left of the page. CST pedal configuration.exe.
I downloaded both files and the guide so will have a play tonight. One quick question it would appear my Accelerator & Brake are on the Same axis? I'm sure I read somewhere this can be changed but can't remember where to start looking for that thread is it simple? I guess it might be in the G25 utility?
Would save me ages of searching if you new a quick answer. Thanks.
Okay so I found it myself, sorry just home for 25 mins at lunchtime and it was in the Logitech Profiler.
I'll enjoy having a better detailed look tonight.
Yes, I think it is in the Logitech Profiler. Just check or uncheck the box. I don't remember which.
Okay so now my problem is the Throttle is at 100% when not depressed i.e. Inverted.
I've tried ticking Invert Axis but that doesn't seem to work.
Any ideas, from anyone greatly appreciated because for now I can't drive let alone calibrate with the CST tool.
Okay so I have totally screwed my G25 Profile for GTR2, is there an easy way to delete it and sart again?
Okay I've deleted the Profile and created a new one but the problem still exists. GTR thinks I've got full throttle when the pedal is not pressed. So basically I can't drive anymore. In the Logitech Profiler if you go to Game Controllers "Properties" everything tests okay though.
My wheel is boxed up at the moment, so I can't open the profiler. But here are my settings. Just copy and paste them into your PLR file. They are from Night Owl, I couldn't find the post here, but he posted them a few months ago and they are great.
You have to reset the pedals in GTR2 not the profiler
you want split axis to seperate the brake and throttle .
control panel / game controllers/select device/properties/settings, untick combined single axis. then go to the controller config in GTR2 and reset the pedals, brake and throttle. also make sure reverse effects is switched on in GTR2 Wheel settings as well
Logitech Profiler isn't a tool that you must have to make G25 work. IF the games you're using supports wheels (or even specifically G25) adequately. I don't have the Profiler even installed.
The basic adjustments for G25 can be accomplished by the Control Panel utility (CPL / Game Controllers / G25:Properties / Settings).
When you change from combined axis to separate axis, you probably need to adjust/change your GTR2 gas and bake setting again.
cheers.. aSa C[_]
Good Morning Guy's and thanks for your replies, here is the current sutuation;
I've replaced my FFB settings with dartboy's (thanks), I've unticked Combined for Brake and Accelerator in Game controllers. In Properties everything looks good when you press the pedals independantly or together. I've ticked reverse effects (and tried it unticked).
When you go to Controls in GTR2, the brake shows 100% on and when you press the accelerator the brake bar goes down and then the accelerator goes up? When I press the Brake the bar just stays at 100%.
This only happend after I downloaded the DIView.exe from CST and was trying to run it (calibration) when I realised it showed both Accelerator and Brake starting at values 65535 (or 255 in Raw Data) and reducing to zero when you press either the Accelerator or Brake.
Hopefully the above might let you help me more?
Is there a place in GTR2 to set the controls or calibrate manually? I've tried looking but nothing is obvious in game?
Thank you - my orginal post was to try and go faster :laugh:
Maybe GTR2 axis mapping is still pointing to wrong places?
I have like this (just don't mind about PnG colors):
You see that accelerate and brake have very different axis names. You could try to "search" them again. Just click on both tags one by one and floor the appropriate pedal.
cheers.. aSa C[_]
I knew about your suggestion but tried it again anyway, still no luck.
I've also deleted the Profiler profile and just run GTR2 without it still no luck.
When you click on either Accelerate or Brake, it instantly builds the line to 100% so it is reflecting what DIView is telling me that GTR2 is seeing both pedals at 100% when not depressed but it doesn't seem to matter if you have Reverse Effects on or off.
At some point when I downloaded the CST Pedal Configuration .exe or their DIView, it obviously reset the pedal defaults and I can't seem to find a way of getting rid of this change.
Any further ideas from anyone would be great as I'm now three days without my favourite Sim!
I feel bad that I suggested the program that may be causing problems. I wish I could test on my system, but it is down.
Have you tried using a different USB port? Maybe something there is screwed up.
... When you click on either Accelerate or Brake, it instantly builds the line to 100% ...
Well, this line got my interest this time. I got a new batch of pictures from a working (mine) G25. And the last picture may contain the key.
First check: I suppose your setting are much like this. The most important setting here is the "Pedals reported as.. single" that should be like this. NOT selected.
Notice how "Brake & Accelerator" shows empty red and green boxes for those pedals. If this part is correct, then there is no hardware or driver issues.
Secondly: Just showing to you that NORMALLY the axises are reversed. The raw values for Accelerator, Brake and Cluch are 65535 or 255 (which is means: MAX). The pedals are in resting position, of course. Raw value of 0 means that the pedal is floored.
Thirdly: please click at your G25 line (the blue circle, may not be JOY2 in your configuration) once BEFORE you start to change (click) at Accelerate/Brake labels. It sounds like you have keyboard or something (joypad? on/off style controller) selected.
Accelerate and Brake should be shown with - in the end. It means GTR2 uses them as reversed. (You can reverse them by keeping the pedal down before clicking the pedal's label and them releasing the pedal; it will them be detected with + in the end. But I don't see any use for this trick, except for pranks ;-))
If these pointers won't help, then I'm really out of fresh ideas.
cheers.. aSa C[_]
First of all Dartguy - no problem - you were not to know and it may yet be something else -
I'm not sure how to insert screen shots like you gave (thanks) but my Game Controllers, Logitech G25 Game Controllers and Settings boxes all look like yours and I do click on the G25 (mines Joy1) once before clicking on Accelerate & Brake once but as I say their full before I press the pedal and the Accelertor one reduces to nothing when I press it down and when I click Brake it fills up and stays filled even when I press it.
I didn't know zero was full on so Todd's DIView was reporting correctly but still somewhere my settings in GTR2 got screwed (seems to work Okay in GTR Evo though?).
I got feedback from Todd Cannon at CST (great service considering I'm not a Customer) and he said I would have to delete both files and clear my Registry entries as running his files I think has made the changes but since Registry is notoriously dangerous to tinker with I've asked him where I might start looking.
I've also e-mailed Logitech because one of their FAQ's mentions a download to clear controller entries in Registry but I can't locate it in their Download section but this would seem to possibly do the job Todd is suggesting.
So I guess I need to try and do that before anything else, maybe some of you guys have had to do something similar before and might point me to the right point in Registry?
Finally I don't have any other controllers fitted to my PC and the G25 was working sweet before I started what was an innocent improvement venture back on Monday :crying:
Also I notice you are using DXTweek, could that help me reset what appear to be incorrect settings in GTR2 only, I tried GTR Evo again briefly and it all works no probs.
On this page (http://www.wingmanteam.com/latest_software/gadgets.htm) is the Clear_cal tool I know of.
There's also the DXTweak2 I was using (seems that I got from there long time ago). I have used DXTweak2 only for viewing/verifying things so far.
cheers.. aSa C[_]
Well aSa, thanks once more but neither the clear calibration or DX Tweek has solved the problem.
In DX Tweek and Game Controllers it looks like the Controls work exactly as you would expect but in GTR2 they don't.
It works in GTR Evo so clearly it is a setting related to GTR2 but it musn't be in my .PLR as I have a mate set up on my machine and whatever has happened it has messed his settings also. So I am guessing it must be in Registry under GTR2 but since I don't really know what I am looking for it might take sometime. I asked Todd at CST but he is not sure either.
So I am down to fiddling in Registry, more help from here if anyone has any ideas or waiting from feedback from Logitech
I haven't seen GTR2 saving any settings (except the installation path and such) in the registry yet. But I could be wrong, I may have not just found them yet.
As the drivers and hardware level seems to be working correctly the fault must be found in your player profile. I'm not very familiar with the .PLR file's "[ Controls ]" section (mappings), but if you post or PM yours I could try to compare and see if I can pinpoint something.
cheers.. aSa C[_]
.PLR data attached.
In Registry there is a Logitech section with a G25 subset but I don't know whhat values they should be and also if it is GTR2 specific then changes there are just for the G25 and as I say it works okay in GTR Evo.
.PLR is 19 pages!!
Allan, your online password is visible there. You might want to edit it away, or remove the file now. Look for the key "Online Password".. [Controls] section would have been enough.
I'll report my findins soon. I found something already.
cheers.. aSa C[_]
Ok. This I would like you to check: Gear Select Button Hold="0"
If I don't remember wrong, G25 should be configured with "1". This setting can be found from GTR2 menu system too (Controls / Advanced: Hold button for gear = checked).
Also, please check that the gear selector stick is in the neutral position when you start reconfiguring assignments for the Accelerator and Brake. I once had a gear selected and it went really funny.. :-P
cheers.. aSa C[_]
You are a total star! I've just completed a few laps of Oulton :laugh: brilliant, I'm back in the game!
So my gear shift was in 3rd and Hold Gear was not selected, so you were spot on.
The only trouble is I'm not sure when this happend and in the interests of completeness I supose I really have to replicate the problem and retrace my fix steps.
I think that one is for further thought tomorrow, for now I'm off to have a few more laps, then bed.
The FFB settings dartguy gave me are quite different to the ones I had so I will have to try them a bit more before judging them.
Now I've got DXTweek I'll look at my orginal post request which was to ensure I'm getting full throttle.
Again many thanks, I really appreciate all the input from you and the other guys on this thread. :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
That makes me feel better. I thought I screwed everything up for you.
What a nice community we have here!
Yes, dartguy, we have a great community here.
Later I'm going to try and replicate the problem so we all know what went wrong. I'm begining to think though it may have simply been that because I don't use the manual shifter (yet) and my desktop space is limited I may have accidently selected a gear while moving it coincidentally at the same time I downloaded the files.
Anyway, I'm going to try it later and leave feedback here, even it means I led you all (inadvertantly) on a merry go round.
Okay guy's I've managed to replicate the fault and it turned out to be pretty simple, here is how it happend;
When I downloaded the CST files CST_Pedal_Config.exe and DIView.exe, the pedal file opened greyed out (presumably because I don't have their pedals) but in DIView (seems to be like DXTweek?) showed my pedals in reverse, i.e. high when not depressed and 0 when depressed. As aSa pointed out to me this is the correct way so my lack of knowledge mis-led me at that point. However the second point was looking at that screen I was reminded that I was using the Combined Pedals set up and I wanted to use individual pedal set ups. Because of that I changed my set up in Profiler before starting GTR2 and unknown to me my gear shift was in gear 3 at the time.
This is what caused the problem.
If you try and change your control method whilst your gearshift is in gear, it clearly sends a wrong signal to the control set up programme.
So now I have re-set everything and confirmed that you can restart the game with the gearshift in any gear but if you do not change your set up it doesn't matter. However if you try and adjust your control set up not realising your gearshift is in gear it gives the problem I've been describing here.
So dartguy it certainly wasn't anything you told me to do and the CST .exe files don't affect the set up. It was purely the fact that I tried to change the control method whilst the manual gearshift was in gear.
Try it for yourself it as it is easy to rectify afterwards just take the gearshift out of gear, click on G25 in controls and reset each parameter by hitting the right pedal/button.
I'm off to e-mail Todd at CST to apologise but I have to say his pedals look good, how many months until Christmas!?
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