Laguna Seca - 20th January - Pre race chat

[Dan]

discuss your setups / laptimes / car choice etc here

in light of last weeks bad race at dubai i'd like to remind you all:

no one wins the race at the first lap - drive cleanly and dont take stupid risks to gain the extra place at the start

if you have a connection / game problem that could cause others problems please use the ESC button to exit to the pits - problems such as 'stuck at 2fps', could only see a few or no other cars on the grid etc

at NoGrip we are an equal opportunities league - ie we dont care if you're fast or slow, the onus is on clean fair racing.
Fast guys should remember that slow guys might be around and you can not expect them to just jump off the track out of your way because you are faster - I saw a few rather arrogant sounding comments afer lasts weeks race regarding this and it wont do - if you're that much faster you should be able to pass a slow car easily without expecting them to dive off the track just to let your all mighty ass past.
Slow guys should remember there are faster people on the track and try not to block them deliberately - but dont feel you have to dive off the track to get out of anyones way - please keep an eye on your mirrors and if you see a fast car catching you and you are in a suitable place to make a little room for them to pass ok - otherwise stick to your speed / line and let them find a way around.

[Martinodiablo]

I agree on all off the point's but some people are complaining of the slightes contact even if it is there own fault :confused:

In all the races i have been in, I never crashed myself into another car. Just to get it straight with last race. :mad:

[BuRnY]

in light of last weeks bad race at dubaiI wouldn't call the race at Dubai a bad race. Ok there was alote of banging in the first four corners, but the rest of the race was nice.;) Let's make an end to this discussion and look forward to the next race:p

[KarlosDaJackal]

One thing I'd like to add, is that people should use there brakes to avoid accidents. That way the guy's behind you can see your braking and do the same.

Usually if you just yank the steering wheel you'll end up causing another accident, and cursing the guy who you think hit the back/side of your car, but in reality you sideswipped him.

Anyway regarding the car/track, I'll be in my trusty S7 but I reckon the viper is the best car for the track, i've only done 3 laps and the best of those was a 1:24.xxx which is way of the pace, but I probably won't get to work on the setup proper till early saturday.

[jcarno]

I just have one last question about the frame rate drop. What caused it? Was it someones ping was too high? Was it in game settings? Because I had low frames when I came up to the first turn crash but after that it was smooth sailing.

[KarlosDaJackal]

I just have one last question about the frame rate drop. What caused it? Was it someones ping was too high? Was it in game settings? Because I had low frames when I came up to the first turn crash but after that it was smooth sailing.

When other people crash, it causes lots of debris and smoke, etc. Your machine has to calculate all this additional load, as well as all the cars on the screen. It also means you have to recieve more from the server (where is the debris) and also has to send more (where are you and were is the debris on your screen).

So if you graphics or network connection were on there upper limit before, suddenly they will struggle as soon as we there is a crash, and only recover after the mess is cleaned up (usually 20-30 seconds after each crash).

[jcarno]

Thanks Karlos.........Looking forward to seeing you and the rest practicing. Bentfocus and I have had a few laps already we both did 1.24xxx. I was in a Saleen also. I'm not sure I see myself getting any faster. I'll keep plugging away though. I think my gearing may be off a bit because even the Vipers blast past me going up the hills.

[Martinodiablo]

My quickes at the moment is 1:21.050 in a Saleen. Still need soms tweaks in gearing (short straights).

[bentfocus]

I've only driven the Vette and the Mosler at laguna. The vette seems to be REALLY fast here. The best lap I've had is a 1:23.6.
I was hoping that was fast, yet seeing a 1:21....man how do you guys get those extra 2 secs?
It seems at every race I am 2 secs off pace. In real life I have finished 1st or 2nd in every race I've been in. Online sims I am midpack...LAME.

BTW: I can run consistent 1:24's with hard tires and FULL fuel.
You guys hink that is good?

[Sidewinder16]

24's on hards and full fuel is decent enough but for the race you will easily get away with mediums on the vette in my opinion with fuel for 40mins. With mediums and the right fuel I can average low 23's so far in the first 10 laps of a race stint after that i have no idea what the times are like:D

I still think i can get a bit more out of the car but I don't think I have the skill to hit the low 21's:roflmao:

And yes I will be driving a Corvette for this race

[bentfocus]

Indeed the vette seems well suited to the track.
I just ran 1:23's on the default Saleen setup so I may get some more speed out of it, however I got lost connection with host and now cannot even get on. The ping on the server went from a 48 to 1700! Now it just says ---.
I wonder if it is trouble or maintainence?

[paul miller]

I can't get on the server. Version not compatible is the message I get. please help.

thanks paul miller

[jcarno]

Have you installed the 1.1 patch??

[paul miller]

yes I did. english version

[nothing110]

So far I've done 1:22.238 in the Saleen
1:23.385 in the Vette
1:23.589 in the Viper

Not a lot of difference other than the Saleen. That will be the fastest car by far I think.

[KarlosDaJackal]

My quickes at the moment is 1:21.050 in a Saleen. Still need soms tweaks in gearing (short straights).

I've had a quick go at a S7R setup and only managed a 1:22.4 on race fuel+tyres, but it looks like a horrible lap, lots of grip but no balance, keeps going from oversteer to understeer. Once thats sorted I reckon a 1:19.xxx might be possible, what do you think?

[bentfocus]

I've heard of someone running a 1:19:XX with the S7...
hope they don't show up Saturday! :)
Hey Karlos, What tires are you running?

BTW: I'm down to a 1:22.7!
Maybe I'll get to run upfront on Saturday!

[bentfocus]

Thought you guys mind find this cool...
Sat after our race I'll be testing a Formula sae track car that is modified to run on ice!
It is icy as heck here in Colorado this winter and one of my professor's is gatering ice race data for research and asked me to drive.
He also helped me get my ride last month in a 2002 Dallara Indy car...It used to be driven by Sarah Fisher...boy 750 Hp is fun...and LOUD!

[Defender]

Can someone please explain to me where to get these custom maps and also where to put them once I find them?

Thanks, Defender

[PhilH959]

you get them from no grip's download section (tracks) then use winrar to extract to gtr2/game data/ locations. make sure you move the whole "folder" in this case...laguna seca to the locations folder, and thats it! Do this without the game running, then start the game and the track should be there. Also on this site is a cool ALL TRACKS UNLOCK, which you might find handy to be able to get to some of the previously unavailable tracks.:cool:

[xphantom]

Can someone please explain to me where to get these custom maps and also where to put them once I find them?

Thanks, Defender

Click on the Downloads area of this website, in the GTR2 section click on Tracks....there they all are.

They are .rar files so you need Winrar. Once you've downloaded a track to your desktop, double click the file to open it in Winrar, right click on the folder that says the tracks name and select the option, Extract to the Specified Folder.

The file patch is, C:\GTR2\GameDate\Locations

All tracks go into the Locations folder of the game. There should be a folder for each track WITHIN the Locations folder.

Your then ready to start the game and race on that track, both single player and online in servers hosting them.

[xphantom]

I saw the post race thread earlier this week of last weeks race and thought I'd throw an idea out here for you guys and those who host and sponser this league.

How about a 'driver's meeting'?? Anyone watch Nascar?? If you do you know that each week before a race they have a manditory meeting each driver MUST attend. Race officials discuss with the drivers specific concerns for that race, and it's also a chance for the drivers to discuss issues with other drivers and to the officials.

Last week it seems you all had an issue with a big pile up in turn one. During my many practices at Laguna both on your server and offline I notied something that maybe some of the drivers may not have noticed in your guys' race last week. That is, when you start a race (espically standing start), your brakes are cold and it takes a longer distance to slow down on that first turn than it did when you was practicing lap after lap and your brakes were hot each time you got to that corner.

I noticed this practicing from a standing start at Laguna and approaching the first turn I had to start breaking a lot sooner to slow the car for the corner than I did a couple laps later after my brakes were hot and could grip better. Then I could brake closer to the turn and still slow in time.

Maybe something some people didn't take into consideration in your last race that caused your wreck.

So maybe consider making this "pre-race" thread also your "driver meeting" thread and a requirement to read it the Friday or Saturday morning before your race so everyone can come in here and give thoughts and suggestions to others to help prevent what happened last week from happening again. Those of you more experienced at certain tracks could give good pointers out to others less expierenced without giving away your secrets, but would help ensure a good competitive race. To make it manditory, everyone who made it on the list to race that weekend, has to come in here and post a reply that they read it.

I know I'd sure hate to be taken out in turn one on the first lap by someone behind me that didn't consider the effect of cold brakes and their inability to slow soon enough. Having a thread like this that they must read is my opportunity as a driver to convey my experience to them and keeps me from being taken out so early in the race.

Something I hope you guys might consider.

Thanks.

[KarlosDaJackal]

Good idea xphantom, except the first of last weeks crash was caused by a computer/lag issue, another 2 or 3 where caused by someone avoiding an accident with there steering instead of using there brakes and causing more accidents.

Also it would require getting some form of meeting place setup, I think its a bit much. They have the same kinds of meetings in all kinds of track racing, usually hosted by the race director or the marshalls. But there is still T1 incidents, its just a part of racing.

I think if most people realised that when you put a dent in your front splitter because you braked to late, your car can be up to 1 second a lap slower, so you will ruin you own race even if you don't spin yourself.

On the setup question, at the moment, mediums, but its early days. Softs will last a race but keeping them within tempeture is the problem.

[Sidewinder16]

Speaking of incidents I would like to raise my concern about the pit exit on this track as some people may not realize that there is a small road that goes down through the inside of turn 1 and the pit exit is there.

Some may be tempted to just dart out onto the track after the pit wall ends but this leads you right onto the racing line with the potential for lots of carnage.

[Martinodiablo]

I've had a quick go at a S7R setup and only managed a 1:22.4 on race fuel+tyres, but it looks like a horrible lap, lots of grip but no balance, keeps going from oversteer to understeer. Once thats sorted I reckon a 1:19.xxx might be possible, what do you think?

It's possible, i have balanced my car now and my gearings are perfect timing is now 1:20.304 but got some trouble braking into corkscrew corner car is lifted in the air no grip as result. But that's a driver isue. And still need some tyre tweaks to get the temp right. Soft fronts and mid at the rear is the best option i think.

I want to race on saturday but i have other things to do :confused:
maybe I'am able to make it befor 9pm(Local dutch time) just before the race. But I only join when there is a spot free.

[porsche968]

Don't you think that over taking is going to much more difficult on this circuit then Dubai? Patience is going to be very important - particularly those in the mid pack.

bejay

[Fletch]

Yes, patience is the key to not wrecking your car and/or someone else's.

But it doesn't matter what you say on the forums because it's always different in the race. :rolleyes:

[bentfocus]

As to this "Drivers meeting" idea...is that not what this thread is for? We discuss our experiences on practice laps and such. Everyone knows the first corner trap in racing and computer issues will remain unforseeable.

As a good example Sidewinder16 has brought up a driver issue with the pit exit. I am also concerned about this, though I am equally concerned that some drivers may not be able to navigate that short pit exit turn even knowing that it is there. I bet we'll see some trouble here come race time.

I hope that all those planning to race on SAT are practicing their pit exits so we can avoid incidents.

[oppis]

I have driven abaout 200 laps :headspin: this week and have found a good set up for me with the cheva 1.21.4 on kval setting and 1.22.2 on race setting .
I have also found the pit exit today :roflmao: so i am going to use that and of course pit limiter in the pits :D

[xphantom]

Speaking of incidents I would like to raise my concern about the pit exit on this track as some people may not realize that there is a small road that goes down through the inside of turn 1 and the pit exit is there.

Some may be tempted to just dart out onto the track after the pit wall ends but this leads you right onto the racing line with the potential for lots of carnage.


My reply and yours are the exact reasons why I suggested that it be manditory for those who are signed up to race this weekend must read this thread. Something they may not know unless they do. Therefore making them come in here and reading our replies will greatly reduce those issues from happening.

There doesn't need to be a seperate "meeting area", just do it with you "pre-race" threads each week. Simple as that!!

[xphantom]

As to this "Drivers meeting" idea...is that not what this thread is for? We discuss our experiences on practice laps and such. Everyone knows the first corner trap in racing and computer issues will remain unforseeable.

As a good example Sidewinder16 has brought up a driver issue with the pit exit. I am also concerned about this, though I am equally concerned that some drivers may not be able to navigate that short pit exit turn even knowing that it is there. I bet we'll see some trouble here come race time.

I hope that all those planning to race on SAT are practicing their pit exits so we can avoid incidents.

That's why you make this thread a MUST READ!.

I said to use this pre-race thread as your 'driver meeting' thead, just make it manditory for those racing in that weeks event to read it. Since you accept anyone to race with you all, you could have some noob come in here and sign up for a race that knows little about the track he's going to race, doesn't come in here to read and makes those kinds of mistakes that crashes you out. Could have been prevented if it was a requirement that he come in here and read everyones concerns about this track. Cause then he knows, and will be a better driver for it.

So that eliminates the need to say "I hope people do this, I hope people know to do that", they WILL know if they have to read this thread before hand.

See what I mean?? Not everyone knows what you all do, and sometimes others don't think of what you think is commen since. I thought this thread could greatly eliminate problems before the race even begins rather than learning the hard way and crashing others out as well.

If you all don't like the idea, fine with me.

[analogkid66]

HELLLLPPP!!!!!!!! i cant see the NO GRIP Race at Laguna in the MP List???...am i doing something wrong??...only 20 mins to go...

cheers, analog!