GTR2 Season 3 (2007) thread

[bentfocus]

Hey there Leaguers,
Figured I'd start a thread we can keep ongoing for the next season. I know it is early, yet I see no harm in keeping a record of what people want/expect for our next great season.
No Grip is growing and so is its list of officially "sponsored" drivers.

THE EMPHASIS IS ON CLEAN, FUN RACING. Let's keep it so (or make it so).

Post your suggestions here...I'll follow this post with a point towards the last seasons results thread I made, just to make sure I get some input.

Right now all I have to say for next season is I think we should adopt the 3x fuel, 3x tire wear, and time scaled failures that we have been doing this off-season. Also, an hour race as to a 40min would be cool, but 40 min would still suffice.

Keep in mind that as the community grows, so do the operating costs. Every dollar counts, so donate if you can...the link is at the upper right. Lets' help keep our great community thriving.

VIVA NOGRIP!:bounce:

[bentfocus]

Concerning the season 2 wrap-up: I still have not added the last race. Sorry. I will this week. Also, If anyone is interested and the Admin is not against it. I will make a point system sum-up of the season.
I'm thinking 1 pt for pole, 15 pts for 1st, 13pts for 2nd, 12 pts for 3rd, 11 pts for 4th, 10 pts for 5th, 9pts for 6th, 8pts for 7th, 7pts for 6th, 6pts for 8th, 5pts for 9th, 4 pts for 10th, 3pts for 11th, 2pts for 12th and 1pt for 13th.
Also -1pt for a DNF. I think this system will give points for the most people while maintaining a "real" feel. Let me know what you feel.
If any change, I'd say for however many racers...say 26, 1st gets 27pts, 2nd gets 25...on and on to last who gets one...that way everyone gets points.

Or...use the first system yet all beyond 13th get one point.
Anyway...I know the point of our seasons here at no grip are competition without a point system that can summon "the red mist"...I just think after the season, it is cool to see this type of wrap-up.

On that note...I'm not sure that a point-less (quantity wise) system has made the "red mist" dissipate. Way too many of us still try to win on the first turn of first lap. Let's really try to make a point to NOT TO WRECK PEOPLE lap 1 next season. This type of courteous racing should be practiced when...well...practicing. It is the hardest part of sim-racing. I suggest a race review and banning if necessary. I volunteer myself to assist in this if need be...cheers!

[McDanger]

How about a "NoGrip Virtual Race License" kind of thing?,ofcourse this would require some extra work for the administrators,but they could reflect their displeasure at having to this kind of after hours clerk of the course work in the final decisions ;) ,punishments could be based around a points on your license system,3 strikes,Yer Out for a race?,its really with bentfocus mentioning the ever increasing size of the nogrip scene,that unfortunately needs more rigirous moderating imo,i refer again back the old ukgpl leagues where literally no incident or crash was left unresolved and punishements issued to the guilty party with no hesitation,ofcourse as in real life there isnt always a clear "guilty party" infact a lot of the time there is no guilty party at all,they are called a pure and simple racing incident,i know its a job i wouldnt look forward to after a race,to go and review crashes and pass judgement.

[lowndes888]

About the points system: I really don't think that it a good idea and may lead to some idiotic driving just to defend their position.

[bentfocus]

To clarify, the point system I was speaking of is for the Season AFTER it is well over, just for a past look at it.

As for an active point system:
About the points system: I really don't think that it a good idea and may lead to some idiotic driving just to defend their position.

It's quite possible...I think many here will agree. I had a blast last season without one, so it's not a big deal to me, just an idea to throw around. This conversation may have come up here in the past...I missed it.

I may have opened up a bad can o' worms with the race review thing...That is an insanely hard job! Probably to much of a pain, however if a guy is wreckin' people week after week turn one, or wrecking multiple people per race...I think heshould get the boot. In reflection of last season, I don't think anyone would be gone so...BAD WORMS!

[Sidewinder16]

My suggestions

1. 3x tyre wear
2. 3x fuel use
3. time scaled mechanical failures
4. 60 minute races

In the last two fun races this has been an excellent format and I think it should be carried through to the leauge

[NESC160]

New to nogrip , but a long time racer . Just a noobish question , when is this new 2007 league going to start ? Is it still going to be 8pm UK ? I have a few gents that are up for fun clean racing and are competitive that would love to join up with you fellow mates .

My suggestions

1. 3x tyre wear
2. 3x fuel use
3. time scaled mechanical failures
4. 60 minute races


I aggree with this method , 60 minutes and 3x opens the door to alot of driver errors and tightens things up in some cases .

[svtdrivah]

I really would like to see sepang in the line up for the next season

[DigitAL]

My suggestions

1. 3x tyre wear
2. 3x fuel use
3. time scaled mechanical failures
4. 60 minute races

In the last two fun races this has been an excellent format and I think it should be carried through to the leauge

Oh yes, deffo got to be the way to go!

(having said that I suffered a "time scaled mechanical failure" at Monaco, but what the hey)

[Jack Stand]

My suggestions

1. 3x tyre wear
2. 3x fuel use
3. time scaled mechanical failures
4. 60 minute races



..sounds good.

[PhilH959]

New to nogrip , but a long time racer . Just a noobish question , when is this new 2007 league going to start ? Is it still going to be 8pm UK ? I have a few gents that are up for fun clean racing and are competitive that would love to join up with you fellow mates .



I aggree with this method , 60 minutes and 3x opens the door to alot of driver errors and tightens things up in some cases .


Just keep your eye on the GTR2 league forum thread...the dates, tracks and times, will be posted there. Then a sign up thread will be initiated by Nogrip Admin, and usually the first 28 to respond get to race. Members/regulars have precedent over newcomers. As more than enough are trying to get in, there may actually be a FORMED league with regular members as in GTL.
Good Luck and CYA on the track!
Phil

Racing online as: PHILH959

[Fletch]

How about a "NoGrip Virtual Race License" kind of thing?

That's more or less what the "[NGR]" means next to some people's names. ;)

[boggyjr]

Dang it, I want to join. Going to pick up my copy of GTR 2 this week. Been playing the demo an awful lot lately...

[McDanger]

That's more or less what the "[NGR]" means next to some people's names. ;)


Huh? :confused:

I didnt explain it clear enough,i meant when you join the league,full NG member or not,at the start of a season you are issued with your "virtual licence"(a .txt file or something),on this any penalties/discilipinary/endorsements will be recorded,just a sort of fun visual way to keep an eye on your behaviour,someone on 2 endorsement points from previous races might just back out of a dangerous late braking lunge with the threat of "3 strikes and a ban" risk over their head.

[Fletch]

Huh? :confused:

I didnt explain it clear enough,i meant when you join the league,full NG member or not,at the start of a season you are issued with your "virtual licence"(a .txt file or something),on this any penalties/discilipinary/endorsements will be recorded,just a sort of fun visual way to keep an eye on your behaviour,someone on 2 endorsement points from previous races might just back out of a dangerous late braking lunge with the threat of "3 strikes and a ban" risk over their head.

Now I'm understanding ya!

Nice idea and sounds like it could have potential but it could prove to be a pain in the backside for someone to record, especially as the events are open to practically anyone.

[McDanger]

Yea it kind of dawned on me half way through typing it that it isnt really viable as the league is run just now,but the way things are progressing i dont think its going to be too long before there is a solid base of regulars,but then again you guys that have been around a bit longer here and have had a few races with each other already know your fellow racers and their differing styles and abilities,and ofcourse tactics and manners so ive noticed a sort of "self policing" style here,that does indeed work just now,i will adjust this idea of the virtual license thing to looking into the near future as numbers and variables increase,and yea what a nightmare having to go through a replay after a race judging incidents,,,i maybe havent thought the whole thing through?:D .

[bentfocus]

like I said...big ol' can o' bad worms.

[otto]

we should try running a 90 min. event this season.

[PhilH959]

I'm just wondering....Is there anyone out there who thinks that they can WIN a race on the fist lap? Too many times I have seen cars flying on our league races in turn one or two or three, ETC. on the first lap. I do understand HARD racing, but this has to stop. We are going around the track for 50 minutes, and a lot can happen, and usually does, so can't we ALL be more patient for the first couple of laps? This next race will be at A1 Ring and turn One and Two are EXTREMELY tight. It is very frustrating to me, and I am sure you, to practice ALL week, spend several hours in the server, get to the race, and WHAM, screwed, blued and tattoo'd. I do this for fun, but that red mist thing tries to descend onto me at that point.

There are a whole bunch of "regular" drivers in this group that are VERY fast, and I yield to them as soon as feasibly possible....without losing spots, IF I can....

I guess if everyone would treat your car as if this is the only one that you can have for the season, and that ALL repairs will come out of YOUR pocket, then we would see more sane race starts, that would produce more enjoyable events with far less frustration. (but since no REAL money is involved, that probably won't happen)

Most of the time, the rest of the race goes quite well, I just wish everyone would take a little more time at the start of each race. while the tyres and brakes are still cold.
Ok I know it's been said to death, but I had to go there.
Phil

[jayblue]

Well said Phil... accidents on the first lap just make the race depressing as its often impossible to recover. As they are so avoidable i couldn't agree more with what your saying, if your faster than the guy infront then there is no need to put one up the inside into T1 on lap 1, as you can take him later on and enjoy the RACING!
Off topic a bit i know but when is the season 3 result going to be updated into the league results archive? The replay is there but no results table?

[PhilH959]

Well said Phil... accidents on the first lap just make the race depressing as its often impossible to recover. As they are so avoidable i couldn't agree more with what your saying, if your faster than the guy infront then there is no need to put one up the inside into T1 on lap 1, as you can take him later on and enjoy the RACING!
Off topic a bit i know but when is the season 3 result going to be updated into the league results archive? The replay is there but no results table?


Thanks Jayblue, just venting a little....Check with Mr. Dajackal as he is the admin now....although as busy as he is, it may just be an oversight...
Phil

[fane]

I'm just wondering....Is there anyone out there who thinks that they can WIN a race on the fist lap? Too many times I have seen cars flying on our league races in turn one or two or three, ETC. on the first lap. I do understand HARD racing, but this has to stop. We are going around the track for 50 minutes, and a lot can happen, and usually does, so can't we ALL be more patient for the first couple of laps? This next race will be at A1 Ring and turn One and Two are EXTREMELY tight. It is very frustrating to me, and I am sure you, to practice ALL week, spend several hours in the server, get to the race, and WHAM, screwed, blued and tattoo'd. I do this for fun, but that red mist thing tries to descend onto me at that point.

There are a whole bunch of "regular" drivers in this group that are VERY fast, and I yield to them as soon as feasibly possible....without losing spots, IF I can....

I guess if everyone would treat your car as if this is the only one that you can have for the season, and that ALL repairs will come out of YOUR pocket, then we would see more sane race starts, that would produce more enjoyable events with far less frustration. (but since no REAL money is involved, that probably won't happen)

Most of the time, the rest of the race goes quite well, I just wish everyone would take a little more time at the start of each race. while the tyres and brakes are still cold.
Ok I know it's been said to death, but I had to go there.
Phil

Im with you Phil all the way:up: 50 minute races are suposed to last that time not just 10 seconds or even less.Its not just the first corner is also pay atention to someone who didnt for ex make a good start etc.after that as you said things go normal so i dont think you ask too mutch of us all:up:

[McDanger]

On the basis of what Phil is saying,soemthing i totally agree with by the way,i would suggest that the first lap from the start we do a "sighting" lap of our own without the buggy pace care thing,that means the guy in pole for the start pulls away at the lights in leisure and comfort with the strict rule of no overtaking until he crosses the line to begin lap 2,basically lap one is like under safety car,but the guy in pole is the safety car?.

[svtdrivah]

I'm not sure if I agree with you Phil. For the guys starting at the front, if you can come out of turn one in the lead it's usually game over if you drive clean. Yes a lot of things can happen in a 50 minute race, but for the most part, from what I've seen in the time I've been a part of this league the races are usually won in the first few corners. But if you throw the pit factor into this, races can be won and lost in the pits. So the way I look at it, if you're starting out front, and manage to get the lead after the first few corners you're going to need to push hard to build up a gap and allow you to retake the lead after pit stops are completed.

[KarlosDaJackal]

On the basis of what Phil is saying,soemthing i totally agree with by the way,i would suggest that the first lap from the start we do a "sighting" lap of our own without the buggy pace care thing,that means the guy in pole for the start pulls away at the lights in leisure and comfort with the strict rule of no overtaking until he crosses the line to begin lap 2,basically lap one is like under safety car,but the guy in pole is the safety car?.

Nope not needed right now,
1. Same problem as running a safety car, you still have Turn 1 accidents only they happen at a higher speed. :eek:
2. Thats one less lap of racing during the 50 mins
3. Its a waste of precious, precious fuel so it does not suit the current format.
4. How do you make sure nobody overtakes on the first lap? Again is someone going to watch the replay 28 times from each cars perspective?

[jcarno]

I usually qualify near the middle or end. When the race starts, I go pretty slow to the first turn because I know there will be some sort of mishap there and I like to avoid them. My strategy is to try to make it around lap one without incident then race my ass off. Sometimes that causes me to crash myself out of the race but I rarely bump, push or wreck people on purpose. If I could just get more consistent with finishing races. 2 DNFS from PC problems, 2 from wrecks and one from not making the starting line in time. But beware, I will be in the top 5 one day. :)

[PhilH959]

I'm not sure if I agree with you Phil. For the guys starting at the front, if you can come out of turn one in the lead it's usually game over if you drive clean........... So the way I look at it, if you're starting out front, and manage to get the lead after the first few corners you're going to need to push hard to build up a gap and allow you to retake the lead after pit stops are completed.

Not arguing with your statements, and usually if you have qualified up front, you will more than likely finish up front. What I am talking about is people balling into the turn like they have been on the track for a couple of laps and the tyres and brakes are good and hot, expecting their cold "stuff" to stick and they end up using me for a brake, (like Daytona) becuse I was using caution for the first couple of turns.

I don't care if I lose a couple of spots due to my exercising caution, But I don't appreciate someone trying to get to the front in one corner!!

[svtdrivah]

Not arguing with your statements, and usually if you have qualified up front, you will more than likely finish up front. What I am talking about is people balling into the turn like they have been on the track for a couple of laps and the tyres and brakes are good and hot, expecting their cold "stuff" to stick and they end up using me for a brake, (like Daytona) becuse I was using caution for the first couple of turns.

I don't care if I lose a couple of spots due to my exercising caution, But I don't appreciate someone trying to get to the front in one corner!!

Ya, I hear what you're saying, I think that pretty much comes down to experience more than anything.

[GearChange]

hi all
i know sim racers want things as real as possible but for the sake of the race and all the hours of practice why not just have damage off?