View Full Version : Season 3 - Race 4 - Zandvoort PreRace Discussion
KarlosDaJackal
4 April 07, 19:53
...
PhilH959
4 April 07, 19:58
Seeing 1.34 for qualy...won't say who, but I expect near 1.30 flat to be the pole!! :OMG: :shocking: and it looks to be a vette fest? Although the vette is VERY tempermental in the motor dept.
The BMW seems to be about bulletproof, but slow?
Have'nt tried the Porchse yet....more to follow.
Phil
Steve_300ZX
4 April 07, 20:06
glad the signup process is over :cool: we can now get on with the fun! looks like next week i will have to stay awake for a few days watching pc as only 11places up for grabs, at least you will see that i am keen to race with you guys.
KarlosDaJackal
4 April 07, 20:12
But the vettes have shocking realiability issues, and drink far too much for there own good.
Usual deal with the Porsche RSR, good deal slower, but one stop less so the porsches (hopefully a gang) will lead the race for a while, and track position may be all important, as any vettes that get held up after there stops will struggle to get in the top 3 I think.
svtdrivah
4 April 07, 20:13
but I expect near 1.30 flat to be the pole!!
Phil
NO WAY!! I don't care if M Schumacher is running with us, you won't see a 30.
Kneegrow
4 April 07, 20:14
I'm able to run steady 1:35's in the Vette race trim.
Havent bothered with a qualify setup yet.
Passing on this track will have to be carefully planned out.
Had to fix that, I hit to many 3's
holy cow! :eek: 1:34 is fast but 1:30 ?? how is that even possible?
Steve_300ZX
4 April 07, 20:15
i agree with svtdrivah, somone may get a 1.33, a Schumaker maybe 1.32, but thats as far as it goes for a vette, but with 6 secs a lap quicker than a beamer, even with tyres that will go bad quick, the vettes could make the extra stop and still shine, providing that they can pass the slower cars on track.
svtdrivah
4 April 07, 20:15
The vette is a good 5 - 6 seconds quicker, even with two stops there's no way the beemer or the RSR can make up that gap. :(
svtdrivah
4 April 07, 20:18
I'm able to run steady 1:33's in the Vette race trim.
Haha, that's funny. Some serious numbahs getting tossed around here. Bench racing at its best :roflmao:
Geordie055
4 April 07, 20:20
Driving Beemer alongside Fane for this i'm running 1.41/2 so far Fane 1.39/40's. We know what race pace will be so no problems there (he hope's). But i think back to Monaco and what happened there!!!
Haha, that's funny. Some serious numbahs getting tossed around here. Bench racing at its best :roflmao:
No it's true, I saw him, he was in reverse all the way round as well! :D
xanaxkamikaze
4 April 07, 20:23
I've tried the 911 Bi-Turbo and got a 1:44.6. I've tried the RSR and got a 1:44.4. The Morgan got me a 1:47.8. And all I could squeeze out of the Vette was a 1:40.5. :\
Destined to be a backmarker in this race if I was actually going to be there. :( I am scheduled to start working the same minute that qualifying will start so I won't be a part of it.
Sadly i think Drivah is right the only chance beemers and porsches get is with the slower vette guys.From my part im with 1.39 with beemer and i hope to finish the race at least:eek:
Done the maths and theoretically the RSR is in with a chance... (if i can run consistant 1.39's - NOT easy) Have yet to decide on my car yet, as mentioned the vette isn't the most reliable and could well get caught up behind slower cars after their first stop. After all if the pass is for position the vette driver will be stuck until the start finish straight for a pass with some good defensive driving. That's 5 secs down the pan for them straight away. Imagine how much they could lose if lots of RSR's ran well. Only problem with the porsche is it's so tough to get into the sweeping braking zone's without oversteering.
NO WAY is anyone going to be doing 1:30 in these cars unless there is a short cut i don't know ;)
Could someone please point out where I can find DigitAL's (or any) Zandvoort setup file? I've looked all over, but can't find squat..
PhilH959
5 April 07, 00:01
When in the garage...in setup...look far left see online file? click on it and wait for folders to appear. Then grab the bar and pull it down to ZANDVOORT. Don't scroll as it will take forever. click on the zand folder and wait...files will appear and some are rated. Then if you want one hit download, and now it's in your offline files!!
Phil
awesome, thanks Phil! no wonder I couldn't find them on the website :)
Sidewinder16
5 April 07, 09:02
Seeing 1.34 for qualy...won't say who, but I expect near 1.30 flat to be the pole!! :OMG: :shocking:
Fastest lap up in the hotlaps section is a 1:32 in a F550. Strangely though lemans224 hasn't set a time on this track. So far I am running 36s and 37s on race fuel in a C5R but I have yet to see how many stops I will need.
:rolleyes: Wow... it's great to see these times. :) I've never raced in NoGrip
servers but I've raced in Zandvoort. I managed a 1.41.9 in the BMW M3.
I'm gonna have to give the GT's a go just to compare times, if I'm within
margin I'll drop my timidity and visit the pro racers at NoGrip servers! :D
=MM= Simmons
5 April 07, 10:14
:rolleyes: Wow... it's great to see these times. :) I've never raced in NoGrip
servers but I've raced in Zandvoort. I managed a 1.41.9 in the BMW M3.
I'm gonna have to give the GT's a go just to compare times, if I'm within
margin I'll drop my timidity and visit the pro racers at NoGrip servers! :D
Too bad we missed that out Dzul...
Indeed great times, I'm around 1.39.7 at Zandvoort in Qually and stable
1.40s in the race.
Is this an open server?
the_wrexer
5 April 07, 11:20
Using the Porsche RSR i only managed to get a 1.47s and drops sometimes to a 1.50. If i get in to the race i'll probably be slow but consistent i hope.Thanks for the setup tweaks Nothing it did help :D
Hummm i have made my math to and im going to change car.The bmw has no advantage here because it must stop twice in race.On the other hand the rsr only have to pit once witch gives a oportunity to stay more closer to the chevvs.Sorry Geordie m8 but im going Porsche:D
Exactly what i thought fane... Just trying getting it to stick on the brake's through the high speed stuff tho!
PhilH959
5 April 07, 15:27
awesome, thanks Phil! no wonder I couldn't find them on the website :)
Your welcome M8...plus Elvis has a bunch of random setups that you can get here in the website on the downloads page! I have installed them and some are pretty good.
Phil
Jack Stand
5 April 07, 17:51
...I love drivin' the 'vette here...race setup yields me 1:37:xx but it eats a lot at the pump and the front left is feeling terribly abused...my M3 is smooth as silk, not fast but smooth...but no real advantage except that its not likely to step out and into the kitty litter without good reason...and the best I can get from my rsr is 1:44:xx...but the rsr just scares me to death 'cause if I make a mistake I"m chasin' the rear end whilst it does the cha-cha...where will it all end???
Well after a few hours of practicing today with rsr ive managed to do 1.39.1quali setup.For me there is no way of doing that time in race so i will be happy to stay quiet in the 1.40/41 race pace.Yes Jack the rsr is scary you have to use 4 hands to handle it:D
Geordie055
5 April 07, 18:48
Fane wrote
Hummm i have made my math to and im going to change car.The bmw has no advantage here because it must stop twice in race.On the other hand the rsr only have to pit once witch gives a oportunity to stay more closer to the chevvs.Sorry Geordie m8 but im going Porsche
:D No worries m8, just finish the race, and get into top 5 cos i know you got the skills Fane :up:
I'm sticking with the BMW, for me its the event that counts. My times will be around the 1.42/3/4 depending on traffic in race trim. That is a very comfertable drive with no drama in handling at all :up:
Interesting choice of cars.
If the Corvette can maintain a 1:37 pace and pit twice
and the Porsche maintains a 1:40 pace and pits once
they will finish about .04 lap apart.
So the question is, which one would be in traffic longer, or take longer to get around slower traffic? Whichever one can get around slower traffic quicker (be held up less) ought to have the advantage.
slownlow
6 April 07, 00:13
on this track...i feel i can pass a porsche at almost every place. vettes have to take care of there engines. tried today on the server...engine blow when 7 min left.....i was going flat out with hard tyres and laped at high 35 most of the time.....and blow the engine :)
Will be an interesting race i think, but i can't seriously see the RSR's been in sight of the vette's come the end, maintaining 1:39/40 in the porsche is a BIG ask on only one tyre change :yes:
Hey, if they maintain 1:40 and just throw in a few 1:39s in the last few laps.....
And they don't seem to blow their engines as readily..........
I ran a couple of races online other nights. They were setup by some of the guys here. Same 50 minutes at Zandvoort. Vettes didn't blow up, at least when I ran one it didn't. A couple of the RSRs wound up with at least one of the vettes, all in sight of each other on the white flag lap.
You know, almost never do race teams in real life run their races as a constant hotlap competition or as a string of consecutive qualifying laps. They've learned that the redline is red for a reason. They've learned it takes brains to win.
"Pace to finish, then race to win"
KarlosDaJackal
6 April 07, 11:08
You know, almost never do race teams in real life run their races as a constant hotlap competition or as a string of consecutive qualifying laps. They've learned that the redline is red for a reason. They've learned it takes brains to win.
"Pace to finish, then race to win"
Well said, I just watched fane do a few laps in an RSR, the way he is down shifting I can see another retirement :eek:
Don't do it fane, remember the rev-limiter does not work on downshifts!
I don't know how people blow there engine's !! Since the new setup of the season I haven't blown a engine. :S
I'm not sure what car i'm going to drive, but i think it's going to be the porsche !!
Thanks for the advice Karlos i will try to keep it in mind in the hot race competition:) as Jay said its almost impossible for porsche to keep a 1.39 race pace,and for me,1.40 will be possible just for a lap or two.Remember that rsr will go for 16 laps so have to manage the tyres and cof cof the engine:D
Nice time on the server fane, must have got that RSR setup very nicely. Looks like i will go with the vette as i doubt i will be able to keep the porsche on the road for the whole race, one or two mistakes and any chance of catching the vette's would be gone anyway. I tried making the vette do just one stop by fuel saving - need to use a max of around 6.8l per lap. Can get it consistant at mid 1:38's using that much fuel! Short shifting, low rev's into corners and half throttle wherever i can. Risky but still maybe marginally faster than the RSR on the same strategy and no risky of engine blowing! Haven't tried a full race distance like that tho and it was pretty dull just counting the litres every lap.
I don't know how people blow their engine's
One way they blow their engines is to downshift "instantly". They instantly downshift right as they hit their brakes and do all the downshifts without a pause. BANGBANGBANG!!
It's a great way to cut some tenths off your lap time. And it's been proven in the races to almost guarantee that your car will blow it's engine before it can make it to the checkered flag.
The really great drivers all had the skill to take care of their cars. They drove 'em so they'd finish, but fast enough to win.
GTR2 gives us a really excellent way to see that. Pick out the drivers who've blown up in past races or who say that a certain car blows up all the time. Get into a practice session with them and use the monitor to get into their car and ride around with them. Karlos just did it. He rode around watching Fane lap in the RSR. Turn on the sound so you can hear the driver shift gears.
Then, what you hear that driver doing.... don't do it like that..........;)
I'd bet that the Corvette could easily maintain a 1:37 pace and not risk blowing up. I'd bet that the Porsche can easily maintain a 1:40 pace and not risk blowing up. It would be really interesting to see what the winning pace was for the last races, and for the one coming up.
Cars that blow up don't ever win.
One way they blow their engines is to downshift "instantly". They instantly downshift right as they hit their brakes and do all the downshifts without a pause. BANGBANGBANG!!
It's a great way to cut some tenths off your lap time. And it's been proven in the races to almost guarantee that your car will blow it's engine before it can make it to the checkered flag.
The really great drivers all had the skill to take care of their cars. They drove 'em so they'd finish, but fast enough to win.
GTR2 gives us a really excellent way to see that. Pick out the drivers who've blown up in past races or who say that a certain car blows up all the time. Get into a practice session with them and use the monitor to get into their car and ride around with them. Karlos just did it. He rode around watching Fane lap in the RSR. Turn on the sound so you can hear the driver shift gears.
Then, what you hear that driver doing.... don't do it like that..........;):Dnice that you explained me that. But I know how you can blow an engine. If i want i can blow an engine in 5 laps during the next race at Zandvoort, hell in the first corner all ready if i want to:P uhm....no, maybe not:D
But I don't understand why people don't learn from it!! Every time when people start saying: this track is a engine killer!! I'm like, what the hell are you guys talking about????
Here is a tip for people how have some serious engine problems: try the automatic gearbox for a change:P
Anyway, i have made the choice that i'm going to drive the Porsche !!!
PhilH959
6 April 07, 14:33
The rev limiter is the key to blowing...even if you shift AT the red line...with time scale failure on, and the rev's maxed, it will take it's toll. I lower the rev limiter at least three clicks....this allows me to OCCAISONALLY to slip into the red zone without undue stess on the motor....and if you lower thr rev limiter even further, you can red line to the max and not blow the motor....But if you drive it like you have to pay for the repair.....you probably won't blow it!
Phil
Hey guys, haven't signed up for this one as I know I'll be working come race time.
Have a good one!
See you next week... hopefully.
just throw this in. I've been playing with the rev limit and have managed to train myself to leave the revs set at max but short shift, changing up when there's still one light left to go on the dash. This allows be the extra revs when I need them, keeping the engine happy although still maintaining the same lap times, 1.35's and 36's. Odd!
changing up when there's still one light left to go on the dash.
although still maintaining the same lap times, 1.35's and 36's.
Odd!
Lowest times don't often depend on getting the absolute max rpm out of each gear. They depend on going into the next gear up at it's best rpm to continue to push the car the best.
Most gear sets are chosen so that the driver doesn't have to peg the tach to get the best lap times. That's suicide actually. The usual choice of each gear is to have the shift be done much earlier than redline. And the primary concern is that when shifted without worrying the engine, the next gear comes in at the optimum rpm.
Lots of times, if you only shift in the red, you're not going to use the "best part" of any of the gears as you work up the transmission. You won't be in each gear long enough to get the full benefit of the engine's torque curve.
Try shifting in the orange, before the red bars even show.
Depends on how "humpy" the engine's power curve is. But almost always, the most important consideration is to keep the revs UP, not keep them maxed. Depends on the engine and the gearing. But no crew chief want's the tach in the red in the race, and to do that, he set's the gears to give the best time BEFORE the red. The smart ones do, anyway.
humorous encounter........
was in the Zandvoort practice server a few minutes back. I didn't catch the time window for signups so haven't much chance to be in the race but wanted to see how others were doing. Turns out that there were 3 drivers in there who aren't on ANY of the lists, so really are outsiders. And there was me, who isn't legal for the race also. 4 guys...... and then there were two who were in the race, and all the time I was there, they didn't leave the pits. And the CHAT was dead. Humorous...... or ironic......... or something........ worth a smile.
hey man the race only starts 8pm ive been there since morning and perhaps you catch most of us having lunch.If you want company you can join nogrip server every day at afternoons.Me,Geordie and Steve are there usually.:up:
This is the night for racing ........ And now i have installed windows and gtr2 again so they are clean . Maybe i dont have any issues this time...... ill also turning of firewall and antivirus .Hope this will do the trick
My pace at the time are 1.35. in kval and 1.36/37 in race .
Driving the cheva with rev. limit in 6500 using the thorque instead of high rpm
oppis,
You usually don't have to turn off your firewall, nor do you really want to unless you know it's screwing you up.
Most firewalls have a list of approved applications they will allow through. I've run 3 different, major brands of firewall, and they all have that kind of capability.
Turning off antivirus is no problem during online racing, but firewalls are good to have on all the time. What is your firewall?
Its windows and i have tried without and it works fine .......with the firewall on i have some warps and i loose 5 to 10 sek when my car is standing still in the midle of the track
mberthia
7 April 07, 15:56
I was on the server last night around 10 pm EST after my guests left. That means after a bottle of wine. My driving was affected... and I was moving away to leave others pass. Anybody noticed something strange during the race ? Someone said I was in their way but I could not see or hear cars around me. Was this the invisible cars or the wine ? Later on I got blue flags with no one behind me and within a minute I got disconnected.
PhilH959
7 April 07, 16:30
I was on the server last night around 10 pm EST after my guests left. That means after a bottle of wine. My driving was affected... and I was moving away to leave others pass. Anybody noticed something strange during the race ? Someone said I was in their way but I could not see or hear cars around me. Was this the invisible cars or the wine ? Later on I got blue flags with no one behind me and within a minute I got disconnected.
yeah we saw ya dude...then you disapeared? musta been some time warp....sorry you couldn't stay.
Phil
BTW I won that one.....LOL
vBulletin® v3.8.7, Copyright ©2000-2013, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.