TCL Mod a WIP [Archive] - NoGripRacing Forums

NWRAP_Golly

6 April 07, 18:52

From OllieC
"We are pleased to annouce a new mod coming to Rfactor

The mod will feature group A touring cars from the 1980s

Legendary cars and drivers that raced in saloon car championships around the world during this period will be represented, as well as some of the lesser known drivers and teams."

I have just been recruited to paint for the Touring Car Legends Mod. This mod is huge and I am very glad to be a small part in it. Painting the Mustangs of 85,86,88 for the Anderson Bros.

My current work so far.

TUNDRA_schumacher

6 April 07, 20:19

Yeh, been waiting on this one.

pbmaster

14 September 07, 21:17

Hi Everybody!

Any news on this wonderfull mod?
It would be so nice to hear something about it! Is it still alive?:confused:

hoboholic

14 September 07, 23:14

Hi Everybody!

Any news on this wonderfull mod?
It would be so nice to hear something about it! Is it still alive?:confused:

yes its still alive,
it has more life than most released mods :roflmao: (probably exagerrated)

check the forum at RSC
http://forum.racesimcentral.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1033

and the WIP section at rfactorcentral
http://www.rfactorcentral.com/detail.cfm?ID=Touring%20Car%20Legends

morning_wood

14 September 07, 23:37

sexsay

groupcaction

17 December 08, 08:36

Bump!!! Apparently TCL is near completion, i know im super excited for ripping a Sierra around Mt Panorama!!! Anyone else keen for this mod?

hoboholic

17 December 08, 08:40

I am...hoping it comes out after I get my G25 so I don't miss out for a little while :up:

groupcaction

17 December 08, 08:43

I am...hoping it comes out after I get my G25 so I don't miss out for a little while :up:

I need to get myself a G25... Driving a Sierra on a sequential shifter just is going to be the same... need the H-Pattern for full Sierra action haha :thumbup:

hoboholic

17 December 08, 08:59

Exactly :)

selley

17 December 08, 09:00

nice:mrgreen: can't wait for this mod i'm happy the guys stuck with it. well done guys and thank you for all your time and hard work:thumbup:

stabiz

17 December 08, 10:57

This and VLN 2005 are the two mods I look most forward to.

NWRAP_Golly

17 December 08, 11:08

can't wait. :)

groupcaction

17 December 08, 11:10

Has anyone on here tested it, like beta tested it? Im itching to play this mod...

Martidinho

18 December 08, 15:55

Is it confirmed that this mod will be released soon? :?:

hoboholic

19 December 08, 01:29

Well OllieC has said that it shouldn't be to far away on RSC....then people started saying by Christmas...

So don't expect Christmas, but don't count out within the weeks after xmas :up:

Freddyfartbox

19 December 08, 03:30

Oh man, the first time I saw this mod on RFC I've been hanging out for it, can't wait.

unseen

19 December 08, 07:32

For what it`s worth, I`ve been looking forward to this one for a long time. Whenever it`s done will be a damn fine day :thumbup:

If it`s christmas, fine, if it`s next christmas, fine also. Take the time and do it right and it`s a guaranteed winner.

groupcaction

19 December 08, 09:39

This Mod is going to be all time!!!

S.Moss

19 December 08, 09:45

unless the cars somehow manage to handle rubbish (which i seriously doubt) i can see this going straight to HoF

hoboholic

19 December 08, 11:53

Or the release it and forget to bolt the wheels on :P

Freddyfartbox

19 December 08, 13:54

I want to fang around Bathurst in a VK Group A, woot woot.:thumbup::thumbup:

groupcaction

9 March 09, 11:54

Thought i'd give this thread a bump... this mod is going to be ace when it comes out... doesnt sound to far now

"Our plan is to release before Easter, atm we're working hard to make sure no bugs are left. We're including WTCC, ETCC, BTCC, ATCC, DTM, Bathurst, and Miscellanious like JTCC and Spa24h cars"

There was a list of the cars ive seen.... some are Nissan Skyline R31 & DR30,
BMW 635CSI & M3, Holden Commodore VK/VL/VL Walkinshaw, Ford Sierra RS500 and a heap of others!!

TICTOC

9 March 09, 12:42

Love the Mustang,
If this doesn't come with it I'll have to paint it myself...http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3006/2836092660_68d26b4f53.jpg?v=0

gravin

9 March 09, 13:13

Its there. Looks great too. Maybe Gollum can post a picy.

Talk is before Easter now. cant be far away. Just need rFactor.....

TICTOC

9 March 09, 13:26

Its there. Looks great too. Maybe Gollum can post a picy.

Talk is before Easter now. cant be far away. Just need rFactor.....

:mrgreen:

Dick and his Mustang. :mrgreen: (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtPrAVIR9FU)

gavkiwi

9 March 09, 20:15

Before easter???, must not try to get my hopes up, been waiting on this for a long time, I'm sure it wont disappoint :mrgreen:

A Ford Sierra RS500 around bathurst to me is gaming nirvana 8-)

NWRAP_Golly

9 March 09, 22:04

Love the Mustang,
If this doesn't come with it I'll have to paint it myself...http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3006/2836092660_68d26b4f53.jpg?v=0

Sure is mate, not painted by me, but I do have it in Beta form, a very early version. :thumbup:

TICTOC

10 March 09, 02:47

Fantastic news Gollum, thanks.:thumbup:
I didn't realise when I posted how old this thread is.
Surely the mod's so close to perfection by now!?!
Not a criticism, just the wishes of a long time touring
car fan. :mrgreen:

gravin

10 March 09, 03:40

It has taken a while, but considering the amount of work and the variation in the cars plus the small number of people working on it....it look likes it going to be worth every minute of waiting.

gravin

16 March 09, 09:48

Since RS..C has been OL. Where is this being discussed now???

max attack

16 March 09, 11:41

groupcaction

16 March 09, 11:49

Can't wait, have G25 standing by.
:thumbup:

Me too mate... can't wait for some old Group A races around Bathurst!!! :thumbup:

S.Moss

16 March 09, 15:38

Me too mate... can't wait for some old Group A races around Bathurst!!! :thumbup:

Can't wait for some group a races full stop :thumbup: but yer these rounds bthurst will be awesome

gavkiwi

19 March 09, 14:26

so easter sunday is April 12th.....is their anyone who is associated with the TCL mod directly visiting this thread that could either confirm or deny whether the release is still on track for a date around mid april?

The wait for a quality Ford Sierra RS500 for rFactor is almost too much to bare :thumbup:

Petrol

23 March 09, 21:28

GeraArg

23 March 09, 21:35

I can confirm that the team is still on schedule to release TCL before Easter, if everything goes well it will actually be quite soon. :-) We've done a big beta testrace on a league server with good results, and fixed all big bugs people have found. Despite the very small team we managed to finish this very big mod.
Since RSC is down and the link to post a comment on rFc doesn't work atm, we currently aren't using forums.

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/7547/rfactor2009032216294898.th.jpg (http://img156.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rfactor2009032216294898.jpg)
:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

Yesterday I saw this server, I hope that when you release the mod, they are a bunch of full servers.

Jack_NL

23 March 09, 21:41

Great news! :thumbup:

Petrol

23 March 09, 22:19

This was the final list of different cars included:

BMW 635 CSi
BMW 635 CSi - DTM 1988,...
Alfa Romeo 75 Turbo
BMW E30 M3 - 1987
BMW E30 M3 - 1988,...
Toyota Corolla GT
Toyota Corolla Levin
Ford Escort RS16i
Ford Escort RS Turbo
Holden Commodore VK
Holden Commodore VL
Mercedes 190E - 1986
Mercedes 190E - 1987
Mercedes 190E - 1988,...
Ford Mustang GT
Ford Mustang GT - DTM 1988,...
Nissan Skyline R31 GTS-R
Rover SD1 Vitesse
Ford Sierra RS Cosworth
Ford Sierra RS500
Ford Sierra RS500 - DTM 1988,...
Toyota Supra mk3 3.0i
Toyota Supra mk3 Turbo
Holden Commodore VL TWR
Volvo 240 Turbo

gravin

23 March 09, 23:07

Great list:thumbup:

Will there be a second release with XJS, GTV and Maserati etc?

TICTOC

24 March 09, 03:43

What a fantastic list of vehicles. :ohmy:

All those Holdens, :thumbdown:
Gonna have to thump 'em at the Mountain in those Sierras. :-P

Can't wait to try this one out. :thumbup:

Thanks to the whole team, but take your time.
It's going to please a LOT of people no matter
how long it takes. :-)

Cam.

MAD-MINI

24 March 09, 04:09

I have a question, Which corolla is it going to be the 1987 version or the 1988 version? I have the 88 version sat in my shop at home and could give you some tips on the handling (Its the gt version) if you wanted

[SSR]Hoskins

24 March 09, 06:10

max attack

24 March 09, 08:03

The wait for a quality Ford Sierra RS500 for rFactor is almost too much to bare :thumbup: Same here.
I will be very happy to get it when its finished.
:thumbup:

groupcaction

24 March 09, 08:37

Two things im hanging out for in 2009 are Touring Car Legends being released and a Metallica Australian Tour haha

hoboholic

24 March 09, 09:04

Metallica Australian Tour haha

Keep dreaming ;-)

frigopie

24 March 09, 10:55

sorry i am going to say admins to close this thread.... BECAUSE THE MOD HAS JUST BEEN RELEASED!!!! :mrgreen::mrgreen:

max attack

24 March 09, 11:48

sorry i am going to say admins to close this thread.... BECAUSE THE MOD HAS JUST BEEN RELEASED!!!! :mrgreen::mrgreen:
OMG. :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
Link?

NWRAP_Golly

24 March 09, 11:53

http://www.rfactorcentral.com/detail.cfm?ID=Touring%20Car%20Legends

:mrgreen: Go get em kids !!!

stabiz

24 March 09, 12:00

Ooooooooooo

gravin

24 March 09, 12:22

This is the reason I WILL buy rfactor now.

Thanks guys.

scca1981

24 March 09, 12:28

Great Job. Considering the amount of cars this is HOF for sure.

meclazine2008

24 March 09, 12:48

Although the cars are from a classic era, the mod is not that flash.

The sounds are poor quality, and the amount of hype surrounding this mod was unjustified. Compared with mods like the NAGT, PCC2007 and other mods, it was a bit of a let down. The NAGT has growl, it has a lot of bite, and you feel like you are driving a powerful V8. It has punch, and the cars are extremely responsive.

In comparison, most of the TCL cars had little feel in the suspension, and a lot of understeer. It felt very one-dimensional to drive. You can drive it with your little finger. VL Commodores are nasty pieces of equipment, and have extreme power, but that did not come through in the mod.

If you love this era of racing, then it might provide some entertainment if you skin up a bunch of favourites into a championship with some mates. Might make for some great racing.

My favourite was the VL Commodore. Overall, it is great to see these classics get the light of day in an rFactor mod.

jperc67

24 March 09, 13:17

Well done guys, i think you have done a great job with the physics of the turbo cars, particularly the sensations of lag changing to boost.

Off to try out some more models!!

Thanks again for all of your work!

stabiz

24 March 09, 13:45

Great job! Try the Volvo 240 on Silverstone, its amazing to drift through those high speed turns.

Firefox

24 March 09, 17:00

For those wanting to dload the whole pack I've uploaded a torrent and seeding as much as I can: http://www.racesimtracker.com/download.php?id=685&name=TCL%20Full.torrent

ermax

24 March 09, 17:35

gavkiwi

24 March 09, 17:41

For those wanting to dload the whole pack I've uploaded a torrent and seeding as much as I can: http://www.racesimtracker.com/download.php?id=685&name=TCL%20Full.torrent

cool, thx firefox

irony - meaning of the word

getting to work and reading this thread, then having to wait to get home and download it and play a mod ive been waiting years on :-P

[SSR]Hoskins

24 March 09, 19:22

can you attach the torrent file here?

SpecialKS

24 March 09, 19:26

What a day!!
Waited for this mod for years! Thank you very much.
Downloading now.
(and P&G Update 2.1 for GTR2 - what a day - like Xmas and Easter on one single day!).
Forget VLN2005 which requires GTrevo/Race07 what nobody can understand.
I saw the BMW 635CSL during the mid eighties participating at the 24 hours Nurburgring and VLN. So this is my private historic VLN.

One thing: will there be more download mirrors? Skinpack part 1 on Megaupload with 19 kb/sec will last about 3 hours - and there are 6 of it.

Thank you again for this wonderful addition to rfactor!

[SSR]Hoskins

24 March 09, 19:37

gonna take forever to dl this.

slider916

24 March 09, 20:38

I get the following gmotor error: TCL_WARNING.GMT

scca1981

24 March 09, 20:54

I had that error also... however it only effects the safety car and you can still race.

One thing: will there be more download mirrors? Skinpack part 1 on Megaupload with 19 kb/sec will last about 3 hours - and there are 6 of it.

While I hate megaupload, my dl speeds were great this morning averaging 800kb a sec. One thing that may suck for some users is the download cap for non-paying members of megaupload.

Again the mod is great. The lower poly models don't bother me that much as I can run huge grids with these cars and not lag. Only room for improvement I could see is the sounds(although not a big deal if you know how to edit these yourself). The mustang/beamer and benz were enough for me to warrant the 1+gig download and 5+gig install :)

S.Moss

24 March 09, 21:06

http://rapidshare.com/files/212952748/Touring_Car_Legends_Base_Pack_V1.0.rar

http://rapidshare.com/files/212946732/Touring_Car_Legends_Sound_Pack_V1.0.rar

http://rapidshare.com/files/213067459/Touring_Car_Legends_Skin_Pack_86-89.part01.rar

http://rapidshare.com/files/213069079/Touring_Car_Legends_Skin_Pack_86-89.part02.rar

http://rapidshare.com/files/213069107/Touring_Car_Legends_Skin_Pack_86-89.part03.rar

http://rapidshare.com/files/213092427/Touring_Car_Legends_Skin_Pack_86-89.part04.rar

http://rapidshare.com/files/213093190/Touring_Car_Legends_Skin_Pack_86-89.part05.rar

http://rapidshare.com/files/213104225/Touring_Car_Legends_Skin_Pack_86-89.part06.rar

SpecialKS

24 March 09, 21:13

Thanks!!! 650kb/sec. Rapidshare is vey very fast (if you pay for it).

My download via megaupload was cancelled by sytem after 2 hours.

Firefox

24 March 09, 21:26

Nogrip doesn't support torrent files but I'll find another site soon.

EDIT: Torrent file here: http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=batch_download&batch_id=UmNLWmdqMGM5RlkwTVE9PQ

here are two filefront links for base pack and sounds.
The skins were aborted and I can't upload them now because FileFront's uploading is down for maintenance:angry:

http://files.filefront.com/Touring+Car+Legends+Base+0rar/;13521472;/fileinfo.html
http://files.filefront.com/TCL+soundpackrar/;13521564;/fileinfo.html

[SSR]Hoskins

24 March 09, 21:29

i'll get up a mirror shortly. i have packed the files into 2 x 700+mb files. have them uploading from my remote server currently at 800+ k a sec. i will post first link for you in 16 minutes when its ready.please stand by :-)

@ Firefox , yeah i was gonna throw it on filefront as well.

still not the fastest but better then what i could dl from megaupload.

File 1 730mb http://media1.youshare.com/Download~hoskins41~99023.html

File 2 689mb http://media1.youshare.com/Download~hoskins41~99025.html

Raikku

24 March 09, 21:47

It would be great to get other links for skinpacks, i have base and soundpacks installed but i haven't dl'd skins yet.

Btw, '87 Sierra RS500 is blast to drive around Bathurst.

[SSR]Hoskins

24 March 09, 21:55

all of the files are in the ones i posted. the base files are the smallest part of
the download.

pain-less

24 March 09, 22:53

Hoskins;665458']all of the files are in the ones i posted. the base files are the smallest part of
the download.

Thank you sir. You made all this a lot easier. :-D

Geekboy

24 March 09, 23:22

Downloading now, looks like it might be able to get to load rFactor again.

[SSR]Hoskins

24 March 09, 23:57

i installed RF just to play this.

pain-less

25 March 09, 00:31

I'm almost done downloading from your posted files Hoskins. :)

Siggs

25 March 09, 00:39

Sweet ass mod, the models are actually pretty good. The cars are boxy in real life, but they have decently modeled interiors from the outside, which you rarely see. They're pretty fun to drive, although I've only tried a few so far...(Escort ftw! :mrgreen:)
.

GeraArg

25 March 09, 00:58

MANY THANKS TO ALL THE TEAM!!!!!!!!!! :-)

Downloading at this time at the super speed of 10k :crying::crying::crying::crying:

timex

25 March 09, 01:46

Thank you Mr. Moss. This is going twice as fast thanks to your links. :)

speedracer100

25 March 09, 02:20

Bravo!!! monster job! only thing:
Since I install the mod , when I press the "leave the track" button I "leave the game" and go to the desktop?

gavkiwi

25 March 09, 02:48

Bravo!!! monster job! only thing:
Since I install the mod , when I press the "leave the track" button I "leave the game" and go to the desktop?

I have same problem :?:

pain-less

25 March 09, 03:07

I have same problem :?:

Me too...dumps right to the desktop with an error. :?:

Lunsmann

25 March 09, 03:31

I was planning on doing a dedicated rflite install for this anyway - maybe a good idea to recommend this for everyone.

dmx

25 March 09, 07:04

Amazing mod indeed, and I was just getting warmed up with the VLN mod...

I too have gotten the CTD 2-3 times with no error window, looked through the trace file and found nothing sticking out. The install I put it in only had 1 preexisting mod, but definitely TCL deserves its own install when I get the rest of the skins.

Raikku

25 March 09, 07:49

I didn't had any ctd's last night when i tried this. But i don't have any skinpacks installed so maybe they're the problem?

Redriot

25 March 09, 08:11

"Gmotor_error: unable to load TCL_WARNING.GMT"
---> I've this an error during loading a track. I got to hit "enter" to continue the loading process.

I also got many CTDs during online sessions.

Jack_NL

25 March 09, 08:12

mm didnt had the leave error mentioned above
but peeps had a error when loading a track
at 80% it gave a TCL_WARNING.GMT error
was pace car related.

for that is a fix now, not sure if it fixes the leave ctd tho.

http://rfactorcentral.com/detail.cfm?ID=Touring%20Car%20Legends

Yup Redriot, i have also ctd's online, hope thats fixed soon too

max attack

25 March 09, 08:24

I have the base, what else is there? and do I need it, should I get it?

Thanks for the mod BTW.

Redriot

25 March 09, 08:39

Thx Jack, I'll try the pace car fix.

jperc67

25 March 09, 11:54

Having downloaded all the skins and the pace car fix, and now having spent a bit more time on the track (Bathurst of course!) this mod is truly awsome in almost all facets.
I mean i could just sit scrolling through the various models in the showroom and am instantly returned to the time that these cars ran in real life, just with the amount of skins that have been lovingly crafted it is easy to see why this mod was so long in the making and was so sought after by so many boy racers of the 80s, Thankyou once again to everyone who worked on this, it is a joy:thumbup:

stabiz

25 March 09, 12:41

Lovely mod, lots of toys for grown men! Fantastic era of racing. My only gripes are the sounds could be better on some cars, and the damage model is not the best.

timex

25 March 09, 13:44

It was a monster download but it was worth it. After installing the fix I had no problems.

Thanks to the mod makers for NOT including UI highjackers and alot of other assorted junk that I would have deleted anyway. I'm much more apt to run the mod online as a result.

I guess there is no realfeel (or I'm missing something - entirely possible) but for a mod that has no realfeel the cars have a good feel to em.

All the car models in the mod are right up my ally considering my age and interest. Very nice.

I normally run a field of 30 AI with most mods. I tried a field of 60 at the Virtual LM version of Le Mans last night and it ran smooth as silk even with me starting from the rear.

Thanks to the mod team. It's appreciated.

Phantom Mark

25 March 09, 14:09

GFraser1965

25 March 09, 15:44

Phantom Mark said:
>"jump in and lend a hand to increase the model quality"

If you increase the number of polys and the texture sizes, the frame rates will fall.
For racing the level of detail seems fine.
The only reason to increase the level of detail might be for renders, movies, or hires photos.

brabham67

25 March 09, 15:52

Not being a huge fan of rFactor, I set to work downloading this mod late last night on the suggestion of a friend. It took about an hour or more to get the whole thing, and installed nicely. I decided to take a few cars out for a spin. After what I thought was a few minutes of running, I realized it was 2am! Great Mod! I made a standalone install with rF Lite, which was the right thing to do as the mod it self it over 3GB!! I might just like rFactor after all!!!

BTW Real feel FBB Plugin works great with this one!

scca1981

25 March 09, 15:53

Thanks to the mod makers for NOT including UI highjackers and alot of other assorted junk that I would have deleted anyway. I'm much more apt to run the mod online as a result.

YES. I wish rf modders would just leave the UI alone. I support creativity, however sometimes its more of a hassle.

Phantom Mark

25 March 09, 16:35

YES. I wish rf modders would just leave the UI alone. I support creativity, however sometimes its more of a hassle.

Agreed :thumbup:

BTW Real feel FBB Plugin works great with this one!

Also working great here

If you increase the number of polys and the texture sizes

As I said, I meant no offence, the models supplied are very nice, in the future it would be really cool if we might see something with a few more poly :), I can spare a few FPS at over 300 , thats what LODS and detail settings are there for tho right ? :mrgreen:

pez2k

25 March 09, 16:38

Yeah, I've deleted almost 2.5gb of mod-specific UI skins, music and intro movies from my rF install, and from them all the only ones that have really impressed me are HistorX and VLN '05.

As for TCL, I haven't had a chance to drive it yet, but just leafing through the car selection is one of the first times that every single car in a mod has made me think 'wow, I'll have to drive that one first'. You can really see where the 4gb of disk space went, with a whopping 678 cars and a whole bunch of alternate skins on top.

timex

25 March 09, 16:51

Hmmm. Realfeel works for you guys? Maybe it's something with me.

The car acted just like a mod without realfeel would. I can jump to another mod that I know supports realfeel and it works within the same install.

Maybe I need to just try it again. I was using a Mustang. I dunno.

Phantom Mark

25 March 09, 16:58

The realfeel here doesn't feel as alive as with some other "officially supporting" real feel mods but it certainly works well enough here to warrant use IMHO at least.

Its taken me months to get my setup working with RFeel properly, I can finally feel what others have been on about for ages, FWIW I copy pasted the settings for my hybrid G25 from Vracing.net ? IIRC ?

zimmer86

25 March 09, 17:12

excellent mod! bought rfactor for this mod and VLN

Sphara

25 March 09, 17:17

Great fun to drive but getting lots of random online ctds (crash to desktop).

aka RehtoM

timex

25 March 09, 18:04

Come to think of it I may have changed the default FFB settings in the upgrade menu but I don't recall seeing a "realfeel" option. I guess I need to experiment a bit more.

frigopie

25 March 09, 18:12

Love this, really enjoyed the limited drive I just had with it ( 240 turbo, SD1 ) - Great Job Petrol.

Are there plans to do anything more with this mod ?? some spit and polish here and there maybe ?

It would be super cool if some of the very experienced modelers could jump in and lend a hand to increase the model quality ( and no offence intended )

i have made some dirt to the cockpit windows, corrently only in M3 and Sierra, to add more inmersion, without them seems to be nothing there hehe. THIS IS TOTALLY UNOFFICIAL

(only for Sierra, if you like it I will do it for all cars)
http://rapidshare.com/files/213442991/sierra_dirtwindow.rar

Hope you like it ;)

pk500

25 March 09, 18:13

Very interested on your RealFeel findings, fellas. It's a shame that the modding team went to all of this time to create all of these cars, sounds, physics and liveries yet didn't take the step of using carFactory to create suspensions that are 100 percent compatible with RealFeel.

It can be done with a multi-car uber-mod like this -- just drive Historic GT & Touring.

No mod is reaching the limits of rFactor realism to me without RealFeel-compatible suspensions.

Take care,
PK

puck13

25 March 09, 18:49

Download completed, puhh!
Awesome stuff and what a huge content!
Many thx to the moders!:thumbup:

GeraArg

25 March 09, 19:24

Added to my HOF... :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

Phantom Mark

25 March 09, 19:48

i have made some dirt to the cockpit windows, corrently only in M3 and Sierra, to add more inmersion, without them seems to be nothing there hehe. THIS IS TOTALLY UNOFFICIAL

(only for Sierra, if you like it I will do it for all cars)
http://rapidshare.com/files/213442991/sierra_dirtwindow.rar

Hope you like it ;)

Testing :)

Firefox

25 March 09, 20:12

Those that have used my torrent and finished dloading need to help with the seeding as i have to turn off and do some maintenancing on my computer tonight.

OllyC

25 March 09, 20:20

Thanks for the kind words, and constructive criticism is welcome

I am one of the modellers from the TCL mod, and our 'home' at RSC is down at the moment

thought I would take the opportunity to come here and say hello

any problems I will try and sort out for you guys, glad to see some people enjoying the mod

-Peace ;)

selley

25 March 09, 20:36

Hey Olly welcome. Just wanted to say this imo is the best mod ever made and i'm not licking your arse here lol. well done to all involved in creating this masterpiece.

M@rkoP

25 March 09, 22:02

can someone tell me why while i play on the server my game suddenly crashes. I have installed the pace car fix. Thank you.

PS: Great work by the way TCL crew, especially my 2 dear friends Ollie and Martin aka RS OWNER. Great guys one of the best mods out there for sure!

meclazine2008

25 March 09, 23:03

This mod was uninstalled from the PC after three laps.

http://www.omr.com.au/img/pictures/tcl.jpg

How can people say they think it's "Hall of Fame" or "the best mod in rFactor" or "the only reason I re-installed rFactor".

Basic observations:

(i) Models are average
(ii) Sounds are below average
(iii) Physics are basic at best and it drives like a boat on water.
(iv) You can drive it with your little finger with your foot flat to the floor for 88% of the lap.
(v) The mod crashes regularly

The positives are:

(i) The number of different years (i did like that)
(ii) The multitude of cars.

Once the models, sounds and physics are refined, and the cars get a bit of growl, it should be OK, but overall, people's judgement is being blurred by their sentimental attachment to memories of watching car racing on TV in the 1980's.

OllyC

25 March 09, 23:12

Good to know.

This mod was uninstalled from the PC after three laps.

http://www.omr.com.au/img.pictures/tcl.jpg

How can people say they think it's "Hall of Fame" or "the best mod in rFactor" or "the only reason I re-installed rFactor".

Did the mod developer get all his mates to come in and post how good it was?

(i) Models are average
(ii) Sounds are below average
(iii) Physics are basic at best and it drives like a boat on water.
(iv) You can drive it with your little finger with your foot flat to the floor for 95% of the lap.
(v) The mod crashes regularly
(vi) They stole their gear change sounds from the BMW320 mod without dmatzies permission.

The positives are few with

(i) The number of different years (i did like that)
(ii) The multitude of cars.

Once the models, sounds and physics are refined, and the cars get a bit of growl, then it will be a good mod to race.

Sorry to hear you didnt think much of the TCL team's work

models average ? perhaps
sounds ? we used RF sounds, we had no sound editor. would you like to make us some sounds ?
physics bad ? would you like to help us make them better ?
foot to the floor for 95% of the lap ? which track and car is this

stole the gearchange sound hahaha thats funny. we asked permission and it was given, it was my mistake to omit the credit and I aplogise for this, but steal, steal is a strong word.

crashes, yes, that is something we are unable to shed any light on

as I said, constructive criticism, gotta love it :thumbup:

Gunja

25 March 09, 23:20

Cars are great to drive.
Awesome job gents.
Petrol 10/10

[SSR]Hoskins

25 March 09, 23:23

It may not be a perfect mod but i think he is being a bit harsh.

selley

25 March 09, 23:33

Well i have had no CTD wot so ever. As far as physics go they are good these are 80's touring cars after all. Making sounds for one car is hard enough let alone 20+ so thats no biggie. The car models "basic" lol again these are 80's saloon cars so there gonna look basic as they did i real life and i'd rather have 60+ low ploy cars running silky smooth than 10 high poly cas barley running at all.

meclazine2008

26 March 09, 00:17

I would love to offer advice. But remember, my advice is just that, advice.

The best part of the mod is the number of years. We were blown away by the categories and number of different cars. Dont get me wrong, there has been a lot of work gone into this mod.

The main area to improve is the growl. The VL Commodore is OK to drive, but it needs some growl. I will ask a mate in Adelaide who owns a VL Walkinshaw to record the engine sounds inside and out, and just let me know the frequencies you want for the .sfx file and I will see if I can get them for you. I will make that my mission for 2009 to help you out. No promises, but I will try.

With the physics in rFactor, the latest car to look at is the NAGT Pontiac GTO. It has great turn in and you can still get the power down as you come out of the corner. I was expecting something more like that.

But let me see if I can get you some sounds for a VK and a VL.

scca1981

26 March 09, 00:32

A lot of people complained about the NAGT physics.. I don't think its safe to compare to those.

stabiz

26 March 09, 00:33

Wow ... you need a coffee brake, meclazine. Thats just rude.

toivonen

26 March 09, 00:41

Hi, i love the mod!! Just a question for a personal taste, how can i had a floor to the car spinner, i'm using modernshowroom, but the car seems to be suspending on air in the main spinner...like i said, just a personal little thing..MANY THANKS

groupcaction

26 March 09, 00:42

This is a fantastic mod... i saw this as a WIP, and it was the reason i went out and bought rFactor!!

OllyC congratulations to you and your team on a truely awesome mod!!! I remember seeing screenshots of a Jaguar XJS and a Nissan Skyline GTR... are they going to be added at a later date as an update!!! Would love to race the Walkinshaws and Sierras up against them... Anyway top job all round!!!

The physics of the cars handling is spot on, these cars are after all, 20years old... they didnt stop, turn in OR accelerate anything like a current racecar. They werent 600+hp like current V8Supercars/DTM or GT cars... I think you've done a great job OllyC of recreating a great time in World Motorsport

Petrol

26 March 09, 01:15

Meclazine you can't expect a 20 year old Commodore to behave like a 2008 Pontiac GTO, if it would have then there would be a problem. 3 laps to test all these cars, maybe tweaking setups and have an opinion, we should have had you as a tester. Then you could also have shown us how consistent and fast you are while driving with your little finger with your foot flat to the floor for 95% of the lap. I haven't even seen the aliens do that so I'm very curious. For some reason your comments were not that convincing and reading your different posts it seems to me that you've been spending more time posting comments than actually driving.
The pic you attached is the lowest quality one on rFc and it doesn't even have shadows, while so many pics have been posted you pick that one to show, is that deliberate? :thumbup: And would you mind editing your post about the stealing because that is a lie. :-)

Pk500, the physics and the suspension geometry were not specifically created to fit 3rd party add-ons, it was made for rFactor. If you want your plugin to work well you'll have to edit the settings yourself. Realistic suspension movement is more important than your subjective feel using an add-on for rF that needs specific physics created by a 3rd party tool to make them feel good.

The models are not extremely high quality, to us good fps in large fields for the average simracer is more important. Creating all these models is not as easy as converting a another sim to have a new mod in rF. The sounds, they were based on the original rF sounds (included in the mod because lots of people use rF Lite). Maybe we should have waited with the release untill a sound editor came along and created sounds for all these cars. If someone wants to improve them, please do so.
Lots of time has been spent developing this mod, with online and league racing in mind. Some cars are really easy and others need some practice just like the real cars. People who prefer modern cars with lots of grip probably won't like TCL that much which is fine, we didn't make it for that audience. Feedback is welcome, positive and negative but do think about what and how you write.

About CTD's has anyone frequently had them after he installed the pacecar fix?

Petrol

26 March 09, 01:40

Cars are great to drive.
Awesome job gents.
Petrol 10/10

Great to see you're still around mate! ;-)

selley

26 March 09, 01:43

like i'v said never had any ctd'd before or after. I love this mod and have played constantly since i have downloaded only stoping for food,loo breaks and sleep lol. for me its perfect:).
On another note i have msg'd ollie and gollum about converting 2 cars to GTR2 for our(IMT's) new mod. dont know if the TCL guy's are happy for this or not but IMT repect wot ever descision is made about converting:)

greenie

26 March 09, 02:11

Monster mod!Other then an online CTD runs great offline.Thanks to the mod group.

Anybody want to share their settings for Leo?

lasercutter

26 March 09, 02:25

Pk500, the physics and the suspension geometry were not specifically created to fit 3rd party add-ons, it was made for rFactor. If you want your plugin to work well you'll have to edit the settings yourself. Realistic suspension movement is more important than your subjective feel using an add-on for rF that needs specific physics created by a 3rd party tool to make them feel good.

I'm afraid your way off the mark here, carfactory and realfeel are used to create realistic suspension and steering for mods based upon factual data rather than feel and if the correct data is applied then you will get realistic suspension movement as a consequence. If you didn't have enough information to implement realfeel then fair enough, but saying that the mod was made for rFactor and not 3rd party plugins is a cop out because if your data is accurate then realfeel will work, you don't need car factory at all as that is just a tool to help you get it right.
Telling PK500 to edit the settings is pointless as no amount of tweaking of realfeel will correct fudged suspension and physics files.
Your post also struck me as pretty rude to pk500, realfeel users and it's creator but as I don't know if English is your spoken language I'll give you the benefit of doubt.

meclazine2008

26 March 09, 02:49

At the end of the day, I dont want to criticise the people involved. Edited my post. Just making comments on the attributes of the mod in the hope of improving it. But Petrol, the Pontiac GTO and the VL Commodore are more closely related than you possibly realise.

The VL Commodore is a cult classic in Australia, and anything I can offer to improving that individual car, I will. Dont want to be seen as criticizing the first modding group to bring that car to rFactor, because it's an amazing car in real life. But further development is warranted.

Now, for another coffee.

pk500

26 March 09, 03:23

Pk500, the physics and the suspension geometry were not specifically created to fit 3rd party add-ons, it was made for rFactor. If you want your plugin to work well you'll have to edit the settings yourself. Realistic suspension movement is more important than your subjective feel using an add-on for rF that needs specific physics created by a 3rd party tool to make them feel good.

All credit to you and your team, Petrol, but there's nothing subjective about RealFeel and carFactory.

carFactory builds suspensions based on real values, and MoTeC telemetry data gleaned from testing provides you accurate MaxForceAtSteeringRack integers to plug into RealFeel, with the end result accurate force feedback based on movement of accurately built suspension, not canned, arbitrary forces or tire friction. RealFeel is not subjective when you use MoTeC data to determine settings; the telemetry doesn't lie when gathered from a car with a properly built suspension.

I'm still eager to try your mod, but to dismiss RealFeel as a "third-party add-on based on subjective feel" shows a blind eye turned toward the evolution of rFactor. RealFeel is far superior to the canned, arbitrary forces that the default ISI FFB engine creates, and RealFeel is the de facto standard for nearly all high-quality rFactor mods.

That said, I applaud the detailed work of your team and still want to give your mod an extended go.

Take care,
PK

Gunja

26 March 09, 03:28

Great to see you're still around mate! ;-)

Way less than i used to but this mod changed that for the moment.
Once again, congrats on the splendid job.:thumbup:

edit:
pk500, try moving the slider to positive value in ffb options mate.
When i tried the mod for the first time i had realfeel on and it worked very well when i moved the slider from -75 to 75.
Works excellent with and without realfeel for me (G25).

pain-less

26 March 09, 03:36

Interesting, my screen shots don't look anything like that. :-D

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a105/pain-less/GRAB_029-1.jpg

I have to say that this is one awesome mod. The time alone to put something together like this is staggering. The models look great, the cockpits look great and the sounds fit, even if they are all ISI default sounds. They take nothing away from this piece of work. So far I have only driven the BMW but it handles like I expected.

Like anything else in life, you will always find room for improvement. It's human nature. You look at anything long enough, and you will find something that could be different or changed.

What never ceases to amaze me is the number of people that have NEVER contributed ANYTHING to this community, they can sit behind their keyboards and piss and moan about everything "they" feel is wrong and post all kinds of negative comments, with the only intention of angering the mod authors. That is wrong, and it really needs to stop. These people have put in hundreds of hours, in their spare time to put together something of this magnitude, only to have some keyboard jockey rip it to pieces.

Sure it can be improved. Anything can. If you have an issue, talk about it. Maybe a resolution can be found. Otherwise keep the angry negative comments to yourself.

Thank you :-)

groupcaction

26 March 09, 04:16

pain-less... that screenshot you have up... I can't recall seeing a BASTOS Rover in my list of cars... is that 1 you've made up or did i miss that car in my list?

gravin

26 March 09, 04:21

Just noticed that the anderson mustang has the exhaust flames from the wrong side.

Wondering as well, if the starion, xjs, gtv6, maserati and R32 will be added later?

pk500

26 March 09, 04:59

Way less than i used to but this mod changed that for the moment.
Once again, congrats on the splendid job.:thumbup:

edit:
pk500, try moving the slider to positive value in ffb options mate.
When i tried the mod for the first time i had realfeel on and it worked very well when i moved the slider from -75 to 75.
Works excellent with and without realfeel for me (G25).

Thanks for the tip, but that's a fudge-laden workaround that I don't want to attempt.

First, FFB values should be negative with properly built rFactor mods and Logitech wheels. Resorting to a positive value to get RealFeel to "feel right" increases my suspicion that something may be askew with the suspensions for this mod.

Second, I only use 100 percent FFB. If a mod is built properly for RealFeel, it will work right with Low FFB settings at 100 percent slider, SteerForceInputMax of 11500 and smoothing of 0. The only RealFeel value that needs to be changed is MaxForceAtSteeringRack, and that can be gathered VERY accurately from MoTeC telemetry after about 10 minutes of testing.

There's no gray area with RealFeel. If a car is built properly for it, you plug in the data from MoTeC with 100 percent FFB, 11500 SteerForceInputMax, 0 smoothing and Low FFB levels, and it will work just right.

Again, I applaud the time and graft of the TCL mod makers. I will give it a go. I only wish RealFeel was implemented.

Take care,
PK

dmx

26 March 09, 05:09

They did say this was a 'first release' so I suspect we will see more in the future (personally I was looking forward to the big Jag) ;)

ps: Must give out a kudos to the amazingly measured response OllyC gave to meclazine2008's little rant, it seems that all he really cares about is the sound of one car in the mod. How mod makers put up with people rudely brushing off their years of hard work after "3 laps" I'll never know...

smallfrogge

26 March 09, 05:21

VL Commodore related to 2008 GTO/Monaro? As an aussie I have to say that's a load of bull%$&$. There's nothing, NOTHING similar between the two cars other than the badge and they fact they're both rear wheel drive V8s. Expecting a Group A VL to perform and handle like NAGT's GTO is just, well, dumb.

Anyway, my congrats to the mod makers. I for one appreciate the massive amounts of hard work that went in to this and love the final product. Well done guys.

meclazine2008

26 March 09, 05:53

The GTO and VL are more closely related in real life than they are in the two mods in rFactor, that is for sure.

Both super powerful V8's with the same genetic makeup. Australian classics with lots of power and growl. I've been in both cars, and the colour of your underwear is the same when you put your foot down. They both go freakin' nuts.

http://www.omr.com.au/img/pictures/gto.jpg

The one on the left is the car I will try and get sounds for. Had we been asked to contribute to this mod beforehand, we would have.

max attack

26 March 09, 06:22

There was almost no sound from the escorts?
I run the latest soundblaster card with 5.1 sound?
I use the cockpit veiw. Could it be that my seat was too far foward or back? Does that make any difference?
I could hear it but only just.

lovretta

26 March 09, 07:21

Second, I only use 100 percent FFB. If a mod is built properly for RealFeel, it will work right with Low FFB settings at 100 percent slider, SteerForceInputMax of 11500 and smoothing of 0. The only RealFeel value that needs to be changed is MaxForceAtSteeringRack, and that can be gathered VERY accurately from MoTeC telemetry after about 10 minutes of testing.

PK, can you describe how?

Sorry guys for the OT.

edit:
pk500, try moving the slider to positive value in ffb options mate.
When i tried the mod for the first time i had realfeel on and it worked very well when i moved the slider from -75 to 75.
Works excellent with and without realfeel for me (G25).

Hi Gunja! Have you tried to invert FFB in RealFeelPlugin.ini? Just press the RightCTRL + NumPad 5. Microsoft Sam should say "force reversed" and it should work normally after that.

Raikku

26 March 09, 07:22

I like this mod, don't know whats wrong with guys who doesn't like it(?) Sounds are just fine, driving feel is great, with Leo's FFB as i never use Realfeel(not before this, not now, not in the future) and i don't have any complains about cars physics.

After sessions of iRacing jumping to this felt just fine, no problems with handling etc. I don't agree with accusations about "too easy/dead handling", i think that ie. Sierra RS5000 in Bathurst(87' Bathurst-model) provide just enough challenge when it tries to slide almost in all corners if you're not careful with throttle.

Bjoern

26 March 09, 07:27

I have to say: This is one of the GREATEST mods ever. I cannot understand why people say the models or the physics are bad? The models look awesome, and the driving is that much fun. Some textures in the cockpits-well, so what...

But it really needs a soundupdate for some of the cars with standart sounds (esp. Mercedes).

groupcaction

26 March 09, 07:42

max attack

26 March 09, 08:09

There was almost no sound from the escorts?
I run the latest soundblaster card with 5.1 sound?
I do love this mod, I was asking for help. Just to clarify. :thumbup:
Sorry I forgot to say thanks and great work.

Lunsmann

26 March 09, 08:12

Not too many "Plastic Pigs" are standard anymore. If a road car has had the right sort of modifications, there is no reason why the sound can't be close.

I am more hopeing maclazine has the technical know how to pull it off - as I don't know the bloke.

max attack

26 March 09, 08:13

Just noticed that the anderson mustang has the exhaust flames from the wrong side.

Wondering as well, if the starion, xjs, gtv6, maserati and R32 will be added later?Don't you mean "Stallion". JOKE.

In reference to the comunication mixup with the word's Stallion and Starion. :laugh:

max attack

26 March 09, 08:15

I thought the commodore sounded very realistic. 10/10 on that 4sure.

groupcaction

26 March 09, 08:17

I though the commodore sounded very realistic. 10/10 on that 4sure.

So did i... i thought of all the sounds the M3's and Commodores sounded the best :thumbup:

Lunsmann

26 March 09, 08:19

I do love this mod, I was asking for help. Just to clarify. :thumbup:
Sorry I forgot to say thanks and great work.

are you comfortable useing notepad?

if so, what you can do is open the escorts .sfx file and experiment with the multiplier function.

an example of this is found with the sfx files of the F1-1988 mod
VS_INSIDE_COAST_ENGINE_1=12.0,F1_1988\V8\F88V8_IDL E.wav

basically add the multiplier to a backup copy of the sfx file and test until you are satisfied with the volume of sound you are getting. Expect it to take a lot of time - but believe me you will really have a huge satisfaction from having done it yourself.

just make sure you keep a backup of the original file (just in case). ;-)

max attack

26 March 09, 08:23

Ohh mate that's awesome thanks I will try that.

gravin

26 March 09, 08:31

Maate Im from Orrstruaillia. We say Stuarreon.

max attack

26 March 09, 08:33

Maate Im from Orrstruaillia. We say Stuarreon.Sameheremate. :laugh:

meclazine2008

26 March 09, 09:16

Alright boys,

The guy has a Walkinshaw VL Group A Commodore. That is all I know. I've been in it when I was in Adelaide, and it was like a jet airplane.

We will attempt to record sounds for 2 seconds inside and outside the car with:

(a) Idle
(b) 2000 vlow
(c) 3000 low
(d) 4000 mid
(e) 6000 high

Once he heard there was an rFactor mod out with a VL, he was obviously pretty interested. Now all we need is a recording device of some description whilst it is on the dyno.

For the VK, we dont know anyone with a Group A version, so we may miss that one.

amonfan

26 March 09, 10:18

Fantastic mod :) Just a question, how many VK Commodore's should their be.... I seem to have many empty folders.... For instance i have a bathurst86 folder without cars.....

Bjoern

26 March 09, 11:23

In my Holden VK/Bathurst86 folder are 10 cars.
Do you have all Skinpacks (and all from 1 server-seems to make a difference).

zimmer86

26 March 09, 11:50

hey just a question how many cars should be there at bathurst 89? in 88 i get 49 but 89 theres only 27 i think is this right??

toivonen

26 March 09, 11:53

Sorry again for asking, but does anyone knows hot to change the showroom so that he can have a floor/based and not having the car hanging..modernshowroom style..THANKS

pk500

26 March 09, 13:15

PK, can you describe how?

Sorry guys for the OT.

I'll send you a PM so it doesn't muck up the thread, mate.

Take care,
PK

timex

26 March 09, 13:56

A lot of people complained about the NAGT physics.. I don't think its safe to compare to those.

Count me as part of that group. If someone was going to try and emulate overall feel, emulate Historx.

pain-less

26 March 09, 14:23

pain-less... that screenshot you have up... I can't recall seeing a BASTOS Rover in my list of cars... is that 1 you've made up or did i miss that car in my list?

You must have missed it. I haven't added anything. I believe that was the 1986 ETCC group.

ermax

26 March 09, 15:23

Sounds are just fine, driving feel is great, with Leo's FFB as i never use Realfeel(not before this, not now, not in the future) and i don't have any complains about cars physics.

Why are you so anti RealFeel? LeoFFB is far superior to ISI's FFB but RealFeel is far superior to LeoFFB. LeoFFB has way to many ajustments and if you don't make these ajustments then you are missing out on it's full benifits. LeoFFB dosn't keep setting per car so you have to make a bunch of copies of the INI file for each car. Pain in the but. RealFeel only has one setting to change and that is MaxForceAtSteeringRack. You don't have to go in and out of the game to make changes to it either.

I use LeoFFB for mods with fudged suspension. All else I run 100% RealFeel.

pk500

26 March 09, 15:34

True, true. Leo's FFB is more time-intensive and difficult to set up realistically than RealFeel because you need to use Notepad to find accurate slip angle and suspension data for every mod, and then enter it for every mod you use. RealFeel is "set it and forget it" once you get the accurate SteeringForceMax data, which takes about 10 minutes per car ONE TIME with MoTeC telemetry.

The only limiting factor of RealFeel is that so few mods are truly compatible with it. So it's a balancing act for each individual whether they want to sacrifice choice for ultimate realism. I crave realism, so if a mod lacks true RealFeel compatibility, I'm not driving it. But that's me, and I know that approach doesn't work for many. :)

Default Leo's is set up for the 2007 BMW Sauber F1 car, yet I'm willing to bet many users of Leo's never touch the default integers when driving other cars. If you want to use suspension and tire values from a current exotic F1 car while driving a 1984 touring car or a 1955 F1 car, that's cool. But it sure as hell isn't realistic.

Take care,
PK

Redriot

26 March 09, 16:27

After some testing/racing I've got to say it's a superb mod!

1. Graphics: a little bit low-poly, but very good looking and realistic modells. You found the best balance between looks and performance. The amount of skins is amazing, must have been huge work to research all of these historical stuff! Not much chance for a clone-wars-grid online races. :)))

2. Handling: I never drove late-'80s touring cars, but the overall feel of the cars has a realistic feel. Much easier to drive than the HistorX cars, but I suppose it's easier to drive an 1988 M3 than a 1972 CSL... The not too hard handling makes for safer online races, less driver errors. Good.

3. Sounds: default rF sounds. Some of them OK, some of them not. I hope some talented soundmen improve this.

4. Bugs: after the Safety Car fix, still CTDs during online sessions. About 1 in every hour. Better than before the fix, but still...

Big congrats for the team, this mod will make very nerveous girlfriends/wives. :)))
Cheers, and sorry 'bout my terrible English :)

Raikku

26 March 09, 16:30

Why are you so anti RealFeel? LeoFFB is far superior to ISI's FFB but RealFeel is far superior to LeoFFB. LeoFFB has way to many ajustments and if you don't make these ajustments then you are missing out on it's full benifits. LeoFFB dosn't keep setting per car so you have to make a bunch of copies of the INI file for each car. Pain in the but. RealFeel only has one setting to change and that is MaxForceAtSteeringRack. You don't have to go in and out of the game to make changes to it either.

I use LeoFFB for mods with fudged suspension. All else I run 100% RealFeel.

I don't see any point to use Realfeel. And i never make any mod-specific settings to Leo's, i just drop plugin into rF-install and drive.

Gunja

26 March 09, 17:09

1. You NEED all 6 skinpacks.
2. Download all 6 from one location (rapidshare or megaupload).
If you download some from rapidshare and some from megaupload, they will not install correctly.

ermax

26 March 09, 17:38

I don't see any point to use Realfeel. And i never make any mod-specific settings to Leo's, i just drop plugin into rF-install and drive.

Hmm. Ok. That is a very good reason. :?:

pain-less

26 March 09, 17:59

ermax

26 March 09, 18:30

pk500

26 March 09, 18:39

Like Raikku, I don't usually use RealFeel either. For me, it doesn't feel any more real than Leo's. All RealFeel does for me is give me a larger deadzone, where Leo's is strong and tight through out. Maybe it's my wheel? Who knows. But RealFeel is not the "end all" "be all" plugin. Some will disagree, others will agree. :)

If RealFeel is used with proper MaxForceAtSteeringRack data on a mod with a properly designed suspension, the dead zone is more accurate and more progressive than Leo's. You'll discover rFactor FFB nirvana if you drive Historic GT & Touring with the supplied controller.ini/RealFeel settings and 100 percent RealFeel or Major_Parts/Cubits' Caterham mod with default RealFeel settings. :)

If you get a big dead zone with RealFeel, it's because either you haven't set it up properly, don't have your wheel set up properly or you're using a mod without proper suspension, or all. You can fix the former and middle easily; there's not a damn thing you can do about the latter.

RealFeel and Leo's are very different in terms of their approach to force feedback. RealFeel is based on suspension action, which I believe the default ISI engine doesn't use at all to calculate force feedback. Leo's is based on tire grip and slip angles, making the more primitive calculations that the default ISI engine uses more sophisticated and overriding a lot of the ridiculous canned FFB that the ISI engine introduces.

Take care,
PK

Petrol

26 March 09, 18:57

Pk500 and Lasercutter, with my reply I did not intended to be harsh towards you or the tools and it's creators. Every attempt to improve rF should get respect. That said I do have questions concerning people's opinions on FFB plugins and physics created by a tool. If your first question is if the mod is realfeel compatible because that's the only way then I'm not sure who's the one that is way off. If you say you won't edit any settings because if you have to the physics are bad, not even changing positive to negative then that doesn't give a good impression.
Correct me if I'm wrong but if I recall correctly the difference between pos and neg values was caused by the steering axis being behind or in front of the wheel axis. Most rF suspensions used an arm in front where Carfactory/realfeel use one behind making all existing suspensions feel wrong if you don't edit the settings. Why that was done seems strange to me... especially since lots of real cars also have their steering arms in front. The placement of the steering axis should have nothing to do with the movement of the wheel itself. Yet that difference makes you decide what is/feels wrong or right. As I said, correct me if I'm mistaking, I don't have time to go check all that again. :-)

I did check those out and have used Realfeel in the past. I don't anymore because plugins could increase the chance of disco's while driver swapping in endurance races. We have to work within the boundaries of the rF physics engine and to me Carfactory limited even more because you have to enter results of calculations, a detour. Eg. for So76 I measured the double wishbone suspension of my Lotus and entered the xyz data into the suspension file, that seems pretty close to me. I doubt, if I would calculate kingpin inclination etc from that data and enter it in Carfactory, it would give me the same suspension file. If you claim that by using that tool you would get an even more realistic suspension, that would be saying the rF physics engine is really bad. Let's face it, FFB trough a steering wheel will never be truly realistic in the end.
We never claimed that this mod is perfect and I will never say that my physics are perfect, some things are a matter of opinion and others are worth a discussion, that is if you're open minded of course. If anything in this reply seems harsh to you then I'm sorry, didn't mean to.

pk500

26 March 09, 19:12

Petrol:

While I appreciate Lasercutter's defense of my post, I never took offense to your original reply. It's cool, man. :)

Reversing rack forces based on the location of the suspension is a necessary change for RealFeel depending on the mod, and it's built in to the plug-in with a simple press of a hotkey. You know right away when the rack forces must be reversed when driving with RealFeel!

I appreciate your desire to avoids online discos in endurance races. I have no idea whether RealFeel would affect this or not, as I've never done an online enduro.

Regarding the indictment of the default ISI physics engine, yes, I think it needs serious improvement for rFactor 2. Sims like iRacing and Live For Speed have only highlighted further the weaknesses in ISI's "black ice" physics and poor default force feedback models.

I'm confident that Gjon and team are working hard to correct those deficiencies for rFactor 2, hopefully ignoring the criticisms of lack of eye candy in the initial screens released and focusing on what really matters in a sim.

Again, praise to you and your team for your hard work with TCL.

Take care,
PK

frigopie

26 March 09, 23:30

can anyone tell me why when I play online with this mod and there are about 13-16 players, rfactor goes out, firefox launches and goes to rfactorcentral?? are there gnomes in my computer or what??

Phantom Mark

26 March 09, 23:49

fwiw it taken me 2 years to find the wheel settings I have now.......RF drove like crap for me before that, all mods.

I for one love the accessibility of this mod, its easy enough to drive, yet challenging enough on the limit when you push hard, sure it has some small comprimise but the end result justifies the means IMHO at least.

Driving isn't hard, in fact driving around a track with one hand on the wheel at 95% is still easy in RL. I think people still confuse reality with being impossible to drive and only for the aliens among us.

M@rkoP

27 March 09, 00:10

About CTD's has anyone frequently had them after he installed the pacecar fix?

not as often as before , it crashed once this night while i was playing on my server . i run dedicated server (when hosting) from my home pc , and sometimes people get kicked out and it says "xxx was kicked out because server is not receiving updates from the client" . anyone knows cause for this? thanx

Lunsmann

27 March 09, 12:20

frigopie

27 March 09, 12:43

hi again! i have made some window cockpit dirt to all cars, this add doesn´t affect online playing and it doesn´t overwrite anything. Take a look! Cockpit view will go to another dimension! :D (only 4 downloads in the preview i sent 3 days before, i can´t believe it :( )

http://rapidshare.com/files/214129935/TCL_dirty_windows_v1.0.rar

I don´t hope you like it, I AM SURE YOU WILL LIKE IT jejeje

Phantom Mark

27 March 09, 14:09

I tried the Sierra, looks like a worthy addition mate, nice work ;)

frigopie

27 March 09, 14:48

I tried the Sierra, looks like a worthy addition mate, nice work ;)

thanks! the map used has been improved and the lateral windows have been remaped, it looks better than in the preview...

canamracer

27 March 09, 15:39

I found a few bugs:

Rev counter of the Escort:

http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/3521/grab092.jpg

Exhaust and flame on different sides at the DTM Mustang of Reinhold Groepper:

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/218/grab093.jpg

Overlapping of shadow and backfire at all cars:

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/7828/grab094.jpg

rallymaster

27 March 09, 16:14

I think people still confuse reality with being impossible to drive and only for the aliens among us.

Unfortunately, this is a rampant misconception still held by a majority of people in the simming community.

Phantom Mark

27 March 09, 16:27

Just tried the TWR Holden around the new Oran Park, awesome........had to make some changes to my setup but man, what a blast it was once I get her dialed in :twisted:

ermax

27 March 09, 20:41

Driving isn't hard, in fact driving around a track with one hand on the wheel at 95% is still easy in RL. I think people still confuse reality with being impossible to drive and only for the aliens among us.

Hmm, I would have to disagree with the %95 part. Maybe %80 with one hand. :)

CX650

27 March 09, 21:23

Hmm, I would have to disagree with the %95 part. Maybe %80 with one hand. :)

As a UK Police trained driver I feel moved to say, two hands are safer but not necessarily more efficient if you get my intended difference.

ermax

27 March 09, 22:26

As a UK Police trained driver I feel moved to say, two hands are safer but not necessarily more efficient if you get my intended difference.

Race driving 101, two hands on wheel, 3 and 9 oclock. One handing it can be done but never is... for a reason. That is also why they go with paddles more an more.

But a guy in my league drives with one hand and is quite fast too. Hahaha.

CX650

27 March 09, 22:37

Race driving 101, two hands on wheel, 3 and 9 oclock. One handing it can be done but never is... for a reason. That is also why they go with paddles more an more.

But a guy in my league drives with one hand and is quite fast too. Hahaha.

Phil Hill and John Surtees were clear demonstrations in style that one-handed driving can be good.

mickey65

28 March 09, 01:31

Right - I have just set these up for the TCL mod. tested on the Escort1600i and is flippin awesome. The Leo's settings are matched to the BMW E21 mod so should work good for all the TCL cars (much better than default Leo's F1 BMW2007).

Leo's :

17.5 Front Wheel lock angle, degrees (max deflection to one side from straight on)
0.72 Front wheel distance to centerline (half the front wheel track) in metres, from .pm file
1.075 Front axle distance to body reference point (about half the wheel base) in metres, from .pm file
2.5 Relative strength of FFB effects
6.0 Aligning moment curve shape / feeling of tyre losing grip. Lower numbers are duller, range 1.0 .. 10
0.99 Negative aligning moment parameter for high slip angles, range 0.0 ... 1.0
5.51 Slip angle where aligning moment reverses direction - typically between 8 and 15 degrees
2.0 Caster (dimetionless)
0.0 Camber ratio (not degrees!)
1.0 Road bumps feeling on the wheel
11500.0 maximum FFB force for stationary and low speed effects
10.0 stiffness of stationary wheels
1.5 wheel rubber hardness (1..5)
8.0 how quickly static forces drop off when rolling

And of course used in conjunction with RealFeel :

[Class 1]
MaxForceAtSteeringRack=-2500.000000
SteeringDamper=11500.000000
FFBMixerRealFeelPercent=50.000000
SmoothingLevel=1

The Best FFB for a FWD Car in rfactor in my opinion !!!!!!

I have a G25 what ist the SmoothingLevel doing, i have normally 0 ?

and here my tweaks, i need the setup, default datas and wheel datas from suspension.pm:

17.0 Front Wheel lock angle, degrees (max deflection to one side from straight on)
0.72 Front wheel distance to centerline (half the front wheel track) in metres, from .pm file
1.185 Front axle distance to body reference point (about half the wheel base) in metres, from .pm file
2.5 Relative strength of FFB effects
6.0 Aligning moment curve shape / feeling of tyre losing grip. Lower numbers are duller, range 1.0 .. 10
0.99 Negative aligning moment parameter for high slip angles, range 0.0 ... 1.0
5.51 Slip angle where aligning moment reverses direction - typically between 8 and 15 degrees
0,041 Caster (dimetionless)
0.0 Camber ratio (not degrees!)
2.0 Road bumps feeling on the wheel
11500.0 maximum FFB force for stationary and low speed effects
10.0 stiffness of stationary wheels
1.5 wheel rubber hardness (1..5)
8.0 how quickly static forces drop off when rolling

Please discussion thanks !!

Bjoern

28 March 09, 02:05

Phil Hill and John Surtees were clear demonstrations in style that one-handed driving can be good.

Not to forget Richard Burns...

hoboholic

28 March 09, 11:06

Not to forget Richard Burns...

All rally drivers amaze me with their skill with a Car :thumbup:

ermax

28 March 09, 11:14

Phil Hill and John Surtees were clear demonstrations in style that one-handed driving can be good.

Yeah but who are they. Hahaha.. Kidding.

dixie1

28 March 09, 15:33

I installed this great new mod yesterday and I have to say that I think it is GREAT..!! :thumbup: :thumbup:

I have tested several of the cars and the sound is super, the cars are great and IMHO it is a stand-out MOD. I had no problems in dl'ing and installing. I dl'd the SIX skins packs and all work like a dream. BTW...I did install the pacecar fix and the sound upgrade.

I am an ole Geezer and I drove seveal of these cars years ago and, to me, this MOD is very realistic and brings back a lot of good memories. :-D

Many thanks to you guys for all the long, hard work you've put into this MOD in an effort to make our hobby better and better!! :thumbup: :thumbup:

Dixie1

DRFT

28 March 09, 20:53

Must try these things in the wet. They are so excellent and even relatively easy to drive with the right boot size. :mrgreen:

Raikku

28 March 09, 21:06

Any fix for online-ctd's yet? Last evening i got 4 of them when i was in Calluster's Mid Ohio-server.

Jack_NL

28 March 09, 21:33

Any fix for online-ctd's yet? Last evening i got 4 of them when i was in Calluster's Mid Ohio-server.

There was a posting somewhere (cant find the posting atm)
that mentioned about 2 duplicate mas files in the TCL pace car folder that dont belong there.
mercedes.mas and another lol, only TCL_PC190.mas belongs there
i had the mercedes.mas extra in my pace car folder and have deleted it
this applies for users and servers.

Was on Oran Park today (laser version) and had no ctd and i was there awhile.
got no reply when i asked if anyone had a ctd on this track/server.

not sure if it is the "fix", as i just now think of it that the server also have to be fixed
but gonna try a online mid ohio track in a vew minutes.

Lunsmann

28 March 09, 23:56

I have all 3 mas files in my pacecar folder and not one crash - it may be something else that is causing CTD's. over 1 hour online at mid ohio

SBELLOF

29 March 09, 12:15

First of all, awesome Mod. Many thanks to the modders! Great work! :thumbup:

I made a little Soundpack (if that's alright, otherwise i'll delete it immediately) for the 190E, M3 and RS500 so if you like you can download it from here:

http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?gz2domwjjdj

Greetz

Jack_NL

29 March 09, 12:17

I have all 3 mas files in my pacecar folder and not one crash - it may be something else that is causing CTD's. over 1 hour online at mid ohio

ok thats clear

I had a ctd on mid-ohio yesterday
as on Brands Hatch when a driver came in and left immediatly
2 seconds later my game crash t, couldn't notice which car he used.

note to member's off TCL crew:
the #30 skyline has no shadow under the car.

Lunsmann

29 March 09, 12:26

There's been some great public races tonight - up to 13 drivers - most up to league standards. wide variety of cars too. Volvo turbo is fastest.

I challenge you all to drive the escort turbo - watch the torque steer - WTF first time I put my foot down. it's wild until you UP the realfeel to -3500

Gunja

29 March 09, 13:52

I made a little Soundpack (if that's alright, otherwise i'll delete it immediately) for the 190E, M3 and RS500 so if you like you can download it from here:

http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?gz2domwjjdj

Greetz
Thanks man :-)

pain-less

29 March 09, 15:51

I'm still getting CTD's occasionally also.

Raikku

29 March 09, 16:00

I challenge you all to drive the escort turbo - watch the torque steer - WTF first time I put my foot down. it's wild until you UP the realfeel to -3500

Yes, Escort Turbo is one crazy machine, damn fast. But 'cause its fwd its easier to drive fast than many of those rwd's.

toivonen

29 March 09, 17:48

Sorry for insisting, but i still don't know why i can't see the car reflected in the showroom floor..the car seems to be floating...using modertn showroom THANKS

chunder27

29 March 09, 19:30

I installed everything from one place

Have the pace car fix and the 190 fix and all teh sounds

Yet ahve had only one online race in 50 tries

Am using Vista 32 decent card with updates, no Av at all and only Windows security (i am careful)

Why so many CTD? Usually in teh car driving, but very occasionally in the pits aswell.

Totally ruining this mod for me as simply cant play against anyone!!

Gunja

29 March 09, 23:37

i hear that the guys are working on the fix... big mod, a lot to do i guess

Crocko 05

30 March 09, 01:10

First of all, great mod......:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:..:trophy:, l am liking it immensly.

My only 'gripe' atm is, the TWR/HRT VL's are under-powered. When HRT/TWR built the motors they started with 510hp (380kw) and ended up with about 550hp (410kw) @ 7200rpm. Maximum torque was around 450ft/lbs (610Nm) at around 5500-6000rpm (source - Rob Benson, HRT chief engine builder 1990). I am in the process of building a 'drive-train package' of my own based on these figures, and would gladly pass it on to you if like when finished..:thumbup: (am waiting on a reply from Harrop Engineering on the actual gear and final drive ratios used/holmogulated for the Group A's).

Credit to all involved on making this great mod, I know what it's like chasing up all the data required and it is a time consuming and (as we have seen in this thread) sometimes thankless job doing it. Congrats to all and THANK YOU....:-D...:thumbup:

stabiz

30 March 09, 01:14

This mod is awesome, I liked it at first, but now I love it. Just drove some laps on Bathurst in the M3 and its just spot on. Great fun. I also enjoy watching the suspension work, it looks very realistic when the cars go over bumps and cerbs.

OllyC

30 March 09, 08:10

selley

30 March 09, 09:11

I installed everything from one place

Have the pace car fix and the 190 fix and all teh sounds

What 190 fix is this :?:

S.Moss

30 March 09, 09:13

What 190 fix is this :?:

remove the 190.mas file from TCL Pacecar folder

selley

30 March 09, 09:17

ahhh rite thanks sam :)

chunder27

30 March 09, 11:02

Doesnt seem to help though sadly

I hope the team can sort this out as right now I cant play the mod due to every single online game being a CTD.

Damned shame

stabiz

30 March 09, 11:05

ferdinand porsche

30 March 09, 11:05

this mod is the doggie's proverbials...

thanks, even with the 'little' problems, I love the m3.....sound is so cool...

wehhhhhhhhhhh!!:-)

Crocko 05

30 March 09, 11:37

Also, the Skyline's sound files are of a 4 cyld (I think). THE HR31 GTS-R's in the mod are powered by a 460hp (in Group A tune) RB20DET-R 6 cyld. I have copied the sound files from within the BMW 635CSi folder into the Skylines to make it sound more like it should...:-)

These are a blast around Calder......:drive2:

Georgeo

30 March 09, 16:20

This mod is epic in scope on par with SCC, Historx, and the old Prototye C mod for F1C. The shear number of cars and the inclusion of multiple seasons of multiple series is incredible.

I've got to offer my overdue thanks to the creators. I'm partial to tintops to begin with
but this mod really is terrific. So far the cars I've tried all feel great and sound better. The graphics are just fine, thank you, so don't pay attention to those who's lives are meaningful only when they're tearing something down. I'm a bit obsessive about trying to recreate actual season schedules, so as soon as I've done that I will run a couple off-line championship seasons.

Might wait until the Jag is available for that, though. Always fond of the big cat.

Thanks to all.

georgeo

Gunja

30 March 09, 16:24

SBELLOF

30 March 09, 17:50

Sweet sounds for the M3! I havent tried the others yet, but good job.:thumbup:

Thank you Stabiz! Nice to hear you like 'em! Try the RS500! ;-)

I'll do some more...

stabiz

30 March 09, 18:25

I will! Here is some onboard with the M3 + new sounds:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPZ-yjUUH5U

SBELLOF

30 March 09, 19:34

Whoa! Nice driving! Thanks for the vid! ;-)

I'm working on that Nissan at the moment...

puck13

30 March 09, 23:23

we would fix it if we knew what it was. I personally have no idea what causes the CTD, and im not sure any of the rest of the team know yet either

I have deleted the whole TCL Pacecar folder and didn´t have any crashes anymore. I guess It´s the TCL Pacecar, but don´t know for sure. :detective:

mickey65

31 March 09, 00:10

I will! Here is some onboard with the M3 + new sounds:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPZ-yjUUH5U

and here my "old Sound for M3" !

Lunsmann

31 March 09, 00:25

I have deleted the whole TCL Pacecar folder and didn´t have any crashes anymore. I guess It´s the TCL Pacecar, but don´t know for sure. :detective:

interesting, any issues online - no mismatch for example.

puck13

31 March 09, 00:26

interesting, any issues online - no mismatch for example.

Sorry, only offline.

Lunsmann

31 March 09, 00:48

Sorry, only offline.

damn - guess we just have to wait for the mod team to issue a patch.

Jack_NL

31 March 09, 09:28

deleted by myself

trotty88

31 March 09, 14:12

Siggs

31 March 09, 14:22

For those wanting to dload the whole pack I've uploaded a torrent and seeding as much as I can: http://www.racesimtracker.com/download.php?id=685&name=TCL%20Full.torrent
.

trotty88

31 March 09, 14:27

.

Ok, well I was trying to avoid that, but it may be my only option.

Sprewell

31 March 09, 18:05

Great mod.
I have only d/l the base pack pack so far, and now want to try racing online.
I assume all the servers (or most) are running the full skin packs, Is there another place to get the full skin pack, other than rapid er mega
I notice some bundled files (2 x 700MB) on about page 3 or 4 of this thread, are these complete (base and skins)? or just base. I started with the torrent, but it is close to 4G, and I don't want to have d/l the lot again if I can help it.
Again, great mod, can't put it down.

I know you said "other than rapid or mega", but... this is the only place to get all the skin packs and the base pack combined (a total of 900 MB approx.):
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=CS4IQG2O

What's so wrong about MegaUpload??

Also, I want to say, great mod, I'm really impressed by the quantity of cars and liveries! And the quality of the models is fine, just fine. I like it that way, so that not the fastest computers in the world can still run the game pretty smoothly (like mine, for instance). But it is still a shame that it lacks proper RealFeel compatibility. Would've made it PERFECT in my eyes. :-)

mclarenf1

31 March 09, 23:22

Finally got some time to install this last night and yes I'm very impressed, great job TCL! I spent abit of time tinkering with realfeel and leo's and now have excellent ffb with the M3. Heaps of fun powering out of corners sideways and keeping in control. Will be an excellent mod for our league, thanks again!

pain-less

1 April 09, 00:34

I have deleted the whole TCL Pacecar folder and didn´t have any crashes anymore. I guess It´s the TCL Pacecar, but don´t know for sure. :detective:

I tried that and got it to crash. So that isn't the issue.

Kritter

1 April 09, 00:47

Also I would like to say thanks to the people involved. I have been doing laps with this mod for nearly a week now and is certainly one of the best there is, total blast!

For a series point of veiw I think it would be the best as the cars are very different in many ways but over a lap they are quite similar, which always induces great racn for leagues.

Well done again, definately worth getting a divorce for!

mallyauto86

1 April 09, 00:51

well all you people that are putting this down i don't know what the hell you are on about.
i have poor pc specs and the mod still looks great the car's look like they should. they handle perfectly getting the oversteer out of the corners like you would in the old days.

only thing i can say needs work is the sounds but i see that you had no one to do them.
but eaven so most of the sounds are good.

for me this is by far the BEST mod for Rfactor at the moment can't wait to get skinning the car's too.
Looking forward to the updates for this fantastic mod. thanks to all the people involved in it !!!!

trotty88

1 April 09, 01:25

I know you said "other than rapid or mega", but... this is the only place to get all the skin packs and the base pack combined (a total of 900 MB approx.):
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=CS4IQG2O

That file is the original one I d/l, which is fine, but isn't the whole deal 3.6G (including the other skins) ?
I am only after the extra skins, and having to d/l 6 different files (1 at a time, and very slowly because I am not a paying mega user), is going to be a hassle.
I guess I will just have to d/l the whole lot again, via the torrent.
Thanks anyway.

pez2k

1 April 09, 01:59

It's ~3.6gb extracted, ~900mb rarred.

chunder27

1 April 09, 11:26

Mally, I dont think the issue isthe quality of the mod

In reality anyone who criticises something you really SHOULD be paying something for is inane.

The only issue I think anyone really has with it is the CTD regularity.

The mod itself is superb, no issues there but due to its size and things it seems to be very unstable online.

Had a good old hack round Bathurts the otehr day though so not sure about that!

But back again on normal tracks later on and instant CTD leaving pits as usual

OllyC

1 April 09, 15:55

We think we have the CTD problem worked out, we are still testing but hopefully a fix should be out soon.

we will definitely keep working on this as a team until it is fixed

pain-less

1 April 09, 18:29

We think we have the CTD problem worked out, we are still testing but hopefully a fix should be out soon.

we will definitely keep working on this as a team until it is fixed

That is excellent news. Oh by the way, just so I'm NOT included in the nay-sayers group, I love this mod!! :mrgreen:

Gunja

1 April 09, 19:30

I will! Here is some onboard with the M3 + new sounds:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPZ-yjUUH5U

I guess you changed TCL.cam file to get that view. Looks great.
Can you share the values for the lines you've changed please?

frigopie

1 April 09, 19:52

I guess you changed TCL.cam file to get that view. Looks great.
Can you share the values for the lines you've changed please?

or you can press 'u' (or the key you have configured) and move around with the keys (i think you must configure them too)....

Gunja

1 April 09, 20:00

Yes but i tought maybe he changed some of the lines in TCL.cam to have that view in one of the onboard cams when you press home key.
I've seen some pretty cool cam positions in other mods, but since i now have only rFLite&TCL i have nowhere to look.

SBELLOF

1 April 09, 21:47

Here's one for the Aussies! :mrgreen:

HoldenVL_TWR:

http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?tynttm0gv02

The rev-up when downshifting is a bit unrealistic but this has to be changed in the *.hdv (DownshiftBlipThrottle) which would cause online mismatches!

Gunja

1 April 09, 22:57

With original TCL.cam file there are 8 different cameras when you press Home key.
I gave it a try and made 3 extra cameras, so now there are 11 in total.
View is a bit different from car to car.
http://www.mediafire.com/file/tzmwwnytmyz/rF_CockpitCams.rar
Backup the old one :)

stabiz

2 April 09, 02:08

I guess you changed TCL.cam file to get that view. Looks great.
Can you share the values for the lines you've changed please?

As frigopie suggests Its only "u" key and moving around a bit to make it look like a dash cam.:-)

jperc67

2 April 09, 12:05

OK having had this mod for two weeks now, there is a couple things i am sick of !

Stop fing whinging on rfc about how big a mod it is to obtain (its not that big),
Get the skin pack people...Its not hard!!!!
Yes we are all getting ctds online (though strangely less common for me now)
And people fing whinging about every thing.

I bought rfactor on the strength of this mod as a WIP three years ago...
and have got so much enjoyment from every other mod in the time before this release that it wouldnt have mattered if this mod never saw the light of day.

I dont know what rfactor cost everybody else but it cost me $54 AUD, three years ago ffs!

I would blow more on beer in a week, no problem.

I love this mod and the people that have put in so much time to GIVE it to us, so everybody use the manners that your mother (hopefuly taught you)!

Be patient, to me this is the destined to be the best mod ever (ok i still love Historix and GP79) and with some nice sounds and bug fixes im sure this will prove true.

stabiz

2 April 09, 13:07

I dont read the mod threads at all over at RFC, life is to short. Even the perfect mod would attract whining, probably about it being to perfect.

jperc67

2 April 09, 13:53

I dont read the mod threads at all over at RFC, life is to short. Even the perfect mod would attract whining, probably about it being to perfect.
Yes well i probably shouldnt read them either, but it annoys me that some people can be so ungrateful when receiving something for nothing, skinning to me is a major challenge, so i really appreciate the time that has been put in to create this mod.

LittleZippyUK

2 April 09, 16:18

Looks like big fun but since my rF is buggered and I don't want to sort it all out I won't be getting it. But if there is a conversion I will definitely get it ;)

Keep it up guys
:thumbup:

trotty88

4 April 09, 05:59

Well said Jim.
I am still getting the CTD online, but only after installing the skin pack.
I managed to race a few guys online (pre skins) the other day and raced all night without incident.

SBELLOF

4 April 09, 20:30

Here's another one! :-)

Nissan Skyline GTS-R Soundupdate (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?dmjyikydgmj)

Have fun!

mickey65

4 April 09, 21:30

thanks very much, this mod need realistic sound !!!

gold333

5 April 09, 02:35

If RealFeel is used with proper MaxForceAtSteeringRack data on a mod with a properly designed suspension, the dead zone is more accurate and more progressive than Leo's. ,
PK

Hey bud,

Do you know of a guide to set up realfeel per mod?

And should smoothing be 0 or other?

thx

pain-less

6 April 09, 01:50

It appears to me that I can get the game to crash using the 1987 WTCC cars.

BTW.. I love this mod. Keep up the outstanding work!!

gold333

6 April 09, 09:09

I will! Here is some onboard with the M3 + new sounds:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPZ-yjUUH5U

Awesome, which track is that? Can I download it separately?

stabiz

6 April 09, 11:35

That you can! Its Bathurst.

http://www.rfactorcentral.com/detail.cfm?ID=Bathurst%20ORSM

Scroll a bit down if you want the track only, in the first links its bundled with V8`s.

Rusty187

6 April 09, 22:26

Fantastic mod definitely one of the better complete mods out there,welldone fellas :thumbup:

I've just released some Formula Atlantic engine sounds that fit well for the Levin, give em a go:

http://www.nogripracing.com/details.php?filenr=18128

It was made with GTR2 in mind so you'll need to fiddle around with the AUD and ENG files to get them to work in R Factor but i'm sure you clever lads have figured out how to do that stuff by now ;)

thx again TCL crew...
~Jase