F1 vs GTR2

[=MM= Simmons]

I did a 1.57.6 - 0.3 faster wheeeeee than
my previous time on Sepang in a Lambo


These last fractions of a second came from watching the F1 program on sunday. :confused:

Christian Albers had really trouble keeping up with his teammate and was 1,5
secs slower :eek: so they took all the MoTec to the conference table
and came to the conclusion that there was nothing wrong with his car
but it really was a mindset of the driver.

The problem was Albers was constantly braking too late and causes
to overdrive the car and therefore loosing time. After adapting his driving
to the track and smoothing the driving he gained that 1,5 secs and even
quallified 0.3 secs faster than his teammate.

Here you see the comparison between GTR and real life F1 and some
real life tips really work in GTR simulation :thumb

Thank you F1 Spijker engineers!


=MM= Simmons

[snowy]

The Jackie Stewart school of racing. Slow in fast.
"it'sh crrreushial to have all of yor brrraking done before you tourn in and to carry shpeed thrrew the tourn, it'sh important you catch the apex because that'sh where you are going to begin acshelerating - but gently mind - you are aiming to be full thrrrotle and pointing in a shhtrrate line at the exit point of the cornor."

[=MM= Simmons]

The Jackie Stewart school of racing. Slow in fast.
"it'sh crrreushial to have all of yor brrraking done before you tourn in and to carry shpeed thrrew the tourn, it'sh important you catch the apex because that'sh where you are going to begin acshelerating - but gently mind - you are aiming to be full thrrrotle and pointing in a shhtrrate line at the exit point of the cornor."

LOL!!!!!!! :D


This is all true, I also remember him saying that you have to be sure in "acshelerating" and not having to lift in a corrrrner and do 1 sterring manouvre, because this unsmooth movements costs time.

[Paul_in_DC]

I heard an interesting story about Jackie Stewart's racing school and how he taught his students to accelerate, decelerate and turn smoothly. He had a car with a bowl on the hood; he'd put a tennis ball in the bowl and have the students try to run the course without loosing the ball.

[rasfigjohn]

I heard an interesting story about Jackie Stewart's racing school and how he taught his students to accelerate, decelerate and turn smoothly. He had a car with a bowl on the hood; he'd put a tennis ball in the bowl and have the students try to run the course without loosing the ball.

I just did this with the bowl on my head with the E90s at Laguna Seca.
My time is very bad and my wife's bowl is broken... Thank you Jackie!!!

Are all these rrrr and shhhh supposed to imitate scottish accent?... I admit I had heard him commentate a 70s race at the Nordschleife on Speed channel I think... it was really funny... even for an non english like me.

Thanks for the driving advice anyway.

[spiderbait90]

shnot all sshhcotish people schpik like that'sh, Unfortunatly, i do.

[Wee Scot]

The Jackie Stewart school of racing. Slow in fast.
"it'sh crrreushial to have all of yor brrraking done before you tourn in and to carry shpeed thrrew the tourn, it'sh important you catch the apex because that'sh where you are going to begin acshelerating - but gently mind - you are aiming to be full thrrrotle and pointing in a shhtrrate line at the exit point of the cornor."

:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
Snowy, that's brilliant! Sir JYS's accent has always been charming and easy on my ears, but undeniably THICK!

Raises an interesting point, though, and I wonder how Michael Schumacher--the master of trail braking--would engage that point. I don't think Michael EVER finished his braking before the "tourn in" and yet he carried as much "shpeed thrrew the tourn" as anyone, ever! Thoughts, anyone?

[rasfigjohn]

:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
Snowy, that's brilliant! Sir JYS's accent has always been charming and easy on my ears, but undeniably THICK!

Raises an interesting point, though, and I wonder how Michael Schumacher--the master of trail braking--would engage that point. I don't think Michael EVER finished his braking before the "tourn in" and yet he carried as much "shpeed thrrew the tourn" as anyone, ever! Thoughts, anyone?

The easier thought about this would be maybe that the cars driven by Sir Jackie and the ones driven by Schumi are sooooo different. But I'm not sure... Wonder if Jackie Stewart started as a kart driver as Schumi did...

[Wee Scot]

The easier thought about this would be maybe that the cars driven by Sir Jackie and the ones driven by Schumi are sooooo different. But I'm not sure... Wonder if Jackie Stewart started as a kart driver as Schumi did...

No, I'm sure he did NOT start in karts. I believe, like Jim Clark, he started out in 'saloon cars,' sliding and drifting all over the place and learning that you couldn't get any power down while the car was about to roll over! :rolleyes:

[snowy]

The easier thought about this would be maybe that the cars driven by Sir Jackie and the ones driven by Schumi are sooooo different. But I'm not sure... Wonder if Jackie Stewart started as a kart driver as Schumi did...

Jackie started as an olympic skeet shooter :D

:rolleyes: Jenson B uses the smooth all breaking done in a straight line style.

:rolleyes: Schumi actually braked a lot earlier than most but then as was said earlier he trailed the brake.

:rolleyes: To be quick in GPL you had to master trail breaking.

:confused: What does this all mean? All manner of things I guess? :rolleyes: It's a bit like string theory and a theory of life the universe and everything! :rolleyes: Just when you think you know everything someone comes along and adds another dimension! :mad:

[ttracing2]

i think they are all right. but one thing is for sure. whether you are a trail braker or a straight line braker. smooth transitions from one to the other are the key to going faster.

I have found in real life and on this sim that the slower you feel that you are going the faster your laps are going to be.

Believe it or not. when you are trying to get a fast lap you will never get what you want. but when you are out there just having fun and focusing on what you are doing, the fast laps will follow.

[Wee Scot]

It's a bit like string theory and a theory of life the universe and everything! :rolleyes: Just when you think you know everything someone comes along and adds another dimension! :mad:

Wow! Thanks for that perspective, Einstein! ;) :D

[Paul_in_DC]

The main advantage to trail braking is keeping your nose planted when you start the turn-in. The additional weight on the front axle can help push the nose around in a sharp turn.

[Wee Scot]

The main advantage to trail braking is keeping your nose planted when you start the turn-in. The additional weight on the front axle can help push the nose around in a sharp turn.

Yes, that's right, but that only started really working to a driver's advantage when super-stiff (and active) suspensions became the norm. Before that, trail braking would have only increased body roll and oversteer, right? So for the F1 cars through the mid-1970s, the smooth "slow in, fast out" method was best. When ground effects came in and suspensions became hard as a rock, suddenly trail braking became the best way to counter the natural understeer and get the car quickly lined up for acceleration. Schumacher did it better than anyone, and perfected it in a car (1994 Benetton) that had such unstable handling that nobody else could come close to him in it! Remember what trouble Alesi and Berger had when they swapped seats with Michael, going from Ferrari to Benetton? I think the Benetton might actually have been 'tuned' to more easily transition from understeer to oversteer so Michael could take full advantage of his uncanny ability.

[gb racing]

Well said ttracing:-) good reading this all. cant add comment ,cos all has been said already ,lol