I am VERY disapointed.

[liam_mc]

Well i finally bought GTR2 and i am very disapointed, oh it is quite easy to play but there seems to be quite alot of cheapness to the game. See when you go through menu's, they are very crudely designed i mean red and black does sometime's work but for this occation i find it not to be, especally with a carbon fiber background. With it's horns that don't work and misleading handling, it leaves one to imagine should SimBin and Tentical Studio's should have bothered at all with the game, ok there is some fun to be had with it's top damage look's and radio info damage reports but i find the biggest problem with it is with the online feature's.

Now we all understand there can be teething problems with this online playing but it does not excuse big headed arsehole's who push you out of the way in their big yank tank corvette's, and yes there are nice guys who go on it but what's it all worth when you are only trying to have fun and you get obliterated at the first corner, not to mention the imence noob calling when it happens.

All though if you get through all the noobs and fault's with the game, it's a cracking racer!. in the m5 you can be going just over a 160 mph and with such cars as the aero 8 and tvr tuscan you can be sure to go around corners just as fast, and with such a wide arey of cars to choose from your spoilt for choice with such car name brnds as ferrari porsche and lambroghini who could be blamed for feeling like a 10 year old.

But still with all of these problems and the online play, this game let's it's self down i really wanted to love GTR 2 but i have to say i can't i think ill stick with good old gt legend's.

my score for the game 5/10.

[David Wright]

I would recommend trying the demo of any game before you buy it. Then at least you would have found that the horns don't work. That's a real downer. Why did Simbin even bother?

[rasfigjohn]

I would recommend trying the Power and Glory demo before you sell GTR2... :D

[Gutshot]

What has me bothered about GTR2 is that after purchasing it for $29.95, it has translated into about $.025 per hour of use (so far) and kept me from faling asleep on the couch watching TV for more evenings than I like to admit. Bad GTR2, BAD!

[Grasshopper]

about the horns, do REAL fia gt cars have them?
If no, well you have your answer why they don't work in gtr2
i think it's just incorporated for possible use with future games

Does anyone know if the handbrake button works?
The only real letdown "controls wise" for me is that there are no working windscreen wipers .

about the online part, how is it any different here from any other games.
i play armed assault regularely, and many other online shooters back in the day,
there you have the teamkillers, base destroyers, guys who drive/fly off with a truck/chopper for 20 passengers alone and park in the middle of nowhere so noone can use it anymore. i could go on and on.

For gtr2 there's voting, admin, and thelistener program (better admin program). If there is anyone to blame for these problems, it's the people who don't vote/ servers who are not administrated at all.
When i go online, i try to stick to the servers where i know wreckers are autobanned and i try not to take monza, it seems it is the track of choice for wreckers and noobs.

[tlgtr]

I suggest your local used book store...they buy used software. You can recoup part of your investment and maybe the person who buys's the game WILL enjoy it. Can't please everybody.

[Mogget]

Why would you need a horn in a racing car ?

[N2LO]

Why would you need a horn in a racing car ?

Yeah, just use headlights to get slower cars out of your way. :p

[liam_mc]

[QUOTE]Yeah, just use headlights to get slower cars out of your way. [QUOTE]

Yes and be deemed a fiesta driver.

[scca1981]

Real race cars flash their lights. They do NOT have horns.

If the game is easy to drive put it on full simulation mode.

Red and black always work. Black matches everything.

You can't blame the game for others online performance.

I honestly can't see where you see "cheapness" with the game. I have played and/or owned pretty much every sim racer the was half way worthy since pole position for Atari 2600. GTR2 has by far been my favorite.

It seems like you are just venting because you got the smack layed down on you while racing online.

[ClemG]

I hate that after buying it I liked it so much I spent $1900 on a new computer & monitor just so I could play it like it's meant to be played.
I love this game...now if I could only keep my new computer & monitor and have my $1900 back I'd REALLY be happy. LOL Clem

[Krydolf]

What really pisses me off is that it feels like hitting a brickwall when you hit an AIW-car. Of course its not that I hit it on purpose. It doesn't matter wether it is you who hits the AIW or its the AIW that hits you. The result is the same : You are off the track. :mad:

Another thing : The Lord have mercy on you if you do not respect the blue flag. But, it seems that the blueflag is ignored by the AIWs with no penalty what so ever. :confused:

And they (Simbin) call this the most realistic racing game ever. Bull. The old GP4 was much more realistic than this will ever be. Thats a fact.
The only realism in this is the look of the tracks and the looks and some handling of the cars. :(

So I'm wondering : what kind of people are Simbin using as Beta-testers ??? Most likely nutcases ! :cool:

Therefor it is with the weirdest feeling that I must confess : GTR2 is very addictive. Can't help it, but I have to race allmost every day. And at the same time I just hate it because it is so far from the real world. :rolleyes:

[Kris123]

You know SimBin is begun like a modding team for ISI/EA F1 series games
and its not a American team with tons of money but some people from a mod team
it gonna be the same for you by iDT´s Champcar game and grand-am game. also a mod team
if you VERY Disapointed play another game and do not spoil other feelings

[Paul_in_DC]

Well i finally bought GTR2 and i am very disapointed...

http://www.nvcc.edu/home/vpoulakis/Translation/4312519girlviolin.gif

[kliest]

I am glad Simbin spent their time on the cars/tracks and physics and not on the menu design.
I am NOT buying games for pretty menus.
And my horn works, I just cant hear it over the motor....
Kliest

[FBlue]

I am glad Simbin spent their time on the cars/tracks and physics and not on the menu design.
I am NOT buying games for pretty menus.

I agree. And the horns do work on VW Golf GTI mod.

[lowndes888]

[QUOTE]Yeah, just use headlights to get slower cars out of your way. [QUOTE]

Yes and be deemed a fiesta driver.

Yes, you try hearing a horn while packed inside a friggin' MC12!:p

[Spad]

Well if its that bad you write a better game....

Me I am indebted to these guys for making something that gives me a lot fun! I have driven most racing games including all the legendary GP series by Geoff Crammond and GTR2 is far and away the best.

Be greatful that there are talented guys out there making games for a select few and not some arcadey crap like juiced just to satisfy the masses and their spoilt snotty nosed kid with his xbox3shitty or sony pile o shite.

[Optimus Prime]

Yeah, I'm disappointed in this game too!:mad:
It cost me $19.99 and has caused me to stop playing Gran Turismo 4, cold! And I doubt I'll get GT5 when it comes out in 2008 or 2009--thanks alot GTR, I'm very disappointed.

[Slick1]

That's funny, that is more of a compliment to GTR 2. Just like the website said it could seriously damage your view of other simulations. I should really start playing GT4 again. Everybody has different tastes.

[fisheracing]

QUOTE [Well i finally bought GTR2 and i am very disapointed] WHAAAAAA.!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.infovisual.info/04/img_en/033%20Violins.jpg Here,try your luck with one of these.

[Slick1]

Very funny people, very funny, y'all are so stiff and firm about this game, you just can't take harsh criticism.

[Paul_in_DC]

Well if its that bad you write a better game....

Me I am indebted to these guys for making something that gives me a lot fun! I have driven most racing games including all the legendary GP series by Geoff Crammond and GTR2 is far and away the best.

Be greatful that there are talented guys out there making games for a select few and not some arcadey crap like juiced just to satisfy the masses and their spoilt snotty nosed kid with his xbox3shitty or sony pile o shite.

+1 :D :up:

[Freddyfartbox]

it seems that the blueflag is ignored by the AIWs with no penalty what so ever.

Last night a did a 60 lap championship race at Canberra, and that is one of the things that really pissed me off. I got spun 3 times by lapped cars hitting me just after I'd overtaken them, and twice when I was trying to flick the car around to get going again, AI cars plowed into and pushed me down the track sideways, with no penalties dished out at all. Slower lapped cars raced with me like it was for the race lead, holding me up several times and no blue flags. I absolutely love GTR2, but things like that really take away from the realism and enjoyment of the game. I won the race still so............:o

[speedkillr]

I am also VERY disappointed. I spent $20, yes that's $20 people!!! on a PC game. What was I thinking? Oh, wait...I have played this game almost nightly, since February. More than my $$$ worth.
And THEN, lo and behold, here is this wonderful nogrip.com website--gee, look at all the FREE mods, tracks, cars, etc. from the OUTSTANDING add-on community.
I have never driven any of the cars in this game, nor do I ever expect to, but it sure is fun as hell firing up this game and driving them like they're stolen. :D

[JoeMaters]

Gtr2 Rocks Baby!

[fisheracing]

Just an observation, but it seems to me that this thread has managed to pull off something miraculous. It has actually sorted out the mice from the men. What I mean by that is, the true dedicated followers of GTR2 accept the game for what it's worth and are forgiving and understanding for it's faults, realizing it's only a game and will improve with time and are enjoying it in the now. And then there is the whiners and complainers, who have nothing better to do with their time, but complain and grumble about how disappointed they are in GTR2's performance without realizing it is actually their own inadequacies and lack of brain motor control at fault, and they have the &alls to blame good ole GTR2. Shame, shame on you people, go get a life and let others enjoy theirs, because life is just to @amn short.!!!

[redi]

Well i finally bought GTR2 and i am very disapointed, oh it is quite easy to play but there seems to be quite alot of cheapness to the game. See when you go through menu's, they are very crudely designed i mean red and black does sometime's work but for this occation i find it not to be, especally with a carbon fiber background. With it's horns that don't work and misleading handling, it leaves one to imagine should SimBin and Tentical Studio's should have bothered at all with the game, ok there is some fun to be had with it's top damage look's and radio info damage reports but i find the biggest problem with it is with the online feature's.

Now we all understand there can be teething problems with this online playing but it does not excuse big headed arsehole's who push you out of the way in their big yank tank corvette's, and yes there are nice guys who go on it but what's it all worth when you are only trying to have fun and you get obliterated at the first corner, not to mention the imence noob calling when it happens.

All though if you get through all the noobs and fault's with the game, it's a cracking racer!. in the m5 you can be going just over a 160 mph and with such cars as the aero 8 and tvr tuscan you can be sure to go around corners just as fast, and with such a wide arey of cars to choose from your spoilt for choice with such car name brnds as ferrari porsche and lambroghini who could be blamed for feeling like a 10 year old.

But still with all of these problems and the online play, this game let's it's self down i really wanted to love GTR 2 but i have to say i can't i think ill stick with good old gt legend's.

my score for the game 5/10.
Everyone is entitled to his or her opinion (or was it MY opinion? ;) ), but...

If you're "VERY disappointed" in the game because
- the colours of the menus don't match your personal taste
- there are no horns on the 'stripped-down-for-max-performance' 400 bhp race cars
- some people don't know how to drive online

then I guess you'll be disappointed most of your time on this planet if you let such details dominate your verdict.

Still you say it's "a cracking racer". Well isn't that the most important thing about the game?

The only thing still unclear to me is the "misleading handling" you mentioned. Please do explain? (And prepare to be flamed if you're not a professional race driver yourself, or how else would you be able to judge the handling of GT class race monsters? :) )

[hoboholic]

That's funny, that is more of a compliment to GTR 2. Just like the website said it could seriously damage your view of other simulations. I should really start playing GT4 again. Everybody has different tastes.

hahaha, thats true,
optimus, if u dont like gtr2 because you stop playing gt4 for it,
STOP PLAYING GTR2 AND GET YOUR A** IN A GT4 CAR:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
sell gtr2 on ebay or something ;)

but for me, i stoped playing gtr2 because i just got rfactor, dosent mean i dont like gtr2, i just prefer rfactor :)



p.s ive been savin up for a new gt4, my disk got scratched :(:(:(
its heartbreaking :(

[Paul_in_DC]

I love GTR2. It's you people I hate. :p







:elephant: :elephant: :elephant: ... heh -- just kidding ... :elephant: :elephant: :elephant:

[Spad]

I have never driven any of the cars in this game, nor do I ever expect to, but it sure is fun as hell firing up this game and driving them like they're stolen. :D

:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:

I nearly shit my nickers laughin!! :up:

[lowndes888]

I love GTR2. It's you people I hate. :p







:elephant: :elephant: :elephant: ... heh -- just kidding ... :elephant: :elephant: :elephant:

:lol:

[liam_mc]

Well to redi, i have to say i do race for real i accually go to Donington park, were
im trying to get a certified racing license. but what i mean by mis leading handling is that the game gives you the ability to be a pro racer on a pc, but i can assure you that in real life it is much harder than it looks, cause for one the pressure is always on and if you f**k up in qualifing and you crash you can't simply push a button to be transported to your garage, and for your car to be spotless.

NOW THIS IS FOR EVERYONE ELSE.

yes there are good points to it but there are a few other things i forgot to mention which i won't bother with, but for you who say "oh you are just whinners" well you are contradicting yourself cause you guys moan at us for not liking the game.

I'm going to go away with the game for a week and give it a second chance, if i havn't found anymore good thing's about it then be sure to find a video of me on youtube destroying the content of the gtr2 box by running it over time and time again with a car.

Good day to you all.

[Goresh]

Well to redi, i have to say i do race for real i accually go to Donington park, were
im trying to get a certified racing license. but what i mean by mis leading handling is that the game gives you the ability to be a pro racer on a pc, but i can assure you that in real life it is much harder than it looks, cause for one the pressure is always on and if you f**k up in qualifing and you crash you can't simply push a button to be transported to your garage, and for your car to be spotless.

NOW THIS IS FOR EVERYONE ELSE.

yes there are good points to it but there are a few other things i forgot to mention which i won't bother with, but for you who say "oh you are just whinners" well you are contradicting yourself cause you guys moan at us for not liking the game.

I'm going to go away with the game for a week and give it a second chance, if i havn't found anymore good thing's about it then be sure to find a video of me on youtube destroying the content of the gtr2 box by running it over time and time again with a car.

Good day to you all.

Please keep posting Liam, this thread if anything is good for a laugh....honk, honk:)

[lowndes888]

Well to redi, i have to say i do race for real i accually go to Donington park, were
im trying to get a certified racing license. but what i mean by mis leading handling is that the game gives you the ability to be a pro racer on a pc, but i can assure you that in real life it is much harder than it looks, cause for one the pressure is always on and if you f**k up in qualifing and you crash you can't simply push a button to be transported to your garage, and for your car to be spotless.

NOW THIS IS FOR EVERYONE ELSE.

yes there are good points to it but there are a few other things i forgot to mention which i won't bother with, but for you who say "oh you are just whinners" well you are contradicting yourself cause you guys moan at us for not liking the game.

I'm going to go away with the game for a week and give it a second chance, if i havn't found anymore good thing's about it then be sure to find a video of me on youtube destroying the content of the gtr2 box by running it over time and time again with a car.

Good day to you all.


Good day to you but when YOU get to drive a Force One Festina FIA GT Viper GTS-R in "real life",beat the lap at Hockenheim,FINISH a race, please e-mail me.

You see, if every thing in GTR2 was real, when you crash you would need to reinstall the game just to get back in the car. Oh, isn't that unreal for you?
The driving is realistic, so did real life drivers say. Why in the world would you want to destroy the car and not be able to drive it again?:crazy:

Again, it's a GAME cause it gives you the ability to do things you wouldn't be able to do in real life(repair the car,pay parts and stuff and other things)


The REALISM - Simulation is meant for the driving itself. Not for the interface and the other things:up:

[liam_mc]

yes if it had feature's like repair you car and buy parts then i would be happy, and you say "why wouldn't you be able to drive a car if you destroyed it" well yea id like to see a car do 120 mph with no wheels or suspention.

Well if anyone wants to find me ill be on gtr2 online right now trying to get a decent race.

[lowndes888]

yes if it had feature's like repair you car and buy parts then i would be happy, and you say "why wouldn't you be able to drive a car if you destroyed it" well yea id like to see a car do 120 mph with no wheels or suspention.

Well if anyone wants to find me ill be on gtr2 online right now trying to get a decent race.

Join on Gamers Crib(GC server I'll be there:)

[redi]

Well to redi, i have to say i do race for real i accually go to Donington park, were
im trying to get a certified racing license. but what i mean by mis leading handling is that the game gives you the ability to be a pro racer on a pc, but i can assure you that in real life it is much harder than it looks, cause for one the pressure is always on and if you f**k up in qualifing and you crash you can't simply push a button to be transported to your garage, and for your car to be spotless.

Well your point is truly valid, nothing I can say about it (and I won't :)). But yes, that's where the difference between computer games and real life starts. In the game there's no danger of injuries or financial loss due to expensive repairs, and therefore you can drive much more aggressively than in real life. It will always be that way since a game will never be able to replace reality. So why not just enjoy the good parts of the game?

I believe some have addressed this, sort of, by installing the NAP mod to make car control more difficult in the game :) That way you have to drive more carefully, but only because otherwise you'll end up in the grass all the time, not for the reasons you stated. Endless discussions have terrorized these forums about the validity of such a mod ;)

Having to pay for repairs in the game does sound like a good idea! Maybe someone can make a mod for this? :p

By the way, when doing an online league race, I find that I am driving much more carefully than when practicing because when you crash you are out of the race, period. That helps a lot to get the pressure on :)

Still, getting punished for crashing by losing credits or having to wait for 30 minutes or so for repairs to be finished will make the game a lot less accessible to the lesser drivers among us who still enjoy GTR2 for what it is now. So at least such an option should be optional.

C'mon liam_mc, focus on the good things of the game and get yourself onto a Gamers Crib server, you'll have great fun, guaranteed :D

[Paul_in_DC]

... the game gives you the ability to be a pro racer on a pc, but i can assure you that in real life it is much harder than it looks ...
Gee, ya think? :crackup:

I assure you nobody in this forum is silly enough to think it's "just like the real thing," including those of us here who actually race, or take our own vehicles to the track. I, for one, have noticed:

This game does not adequately simulate a 95 degree day under a blazing sun, sweating in a sweltering car while staging for a track session.
It doesn't represent the G forces that slam one's body from side to side while navigating multiple S-turns.
It doesn't jam harness belts against your shoulders as you slam on the brakes.
It completely fails to provide real rain pelting you though an open window as you drive through a simulated downpour.
It doesn't sear our nostrils with the overpowering stench of burnt rubber, enough to take days for it to finally wear off.
Above all, the game completely fails to tighten one's sphincter muscles when a car spins out of control 50 feet in front of you.

Even so, many people here get a great thrill out of the game at a low cost. Some of us even play it in the off-season to help maintain our track skills. But very few (to my knowledge) whine and blame the game when things don't go our way.

[Wee Scot]

Is this liam_mc for real, or was he just jerkin our chains??? If he really means what he's written, he's a complete fool and idiot! Thanks for all the good laughs, guys!

[RC45]

I just realised I have been enjoying computer games for more years than some new members have been alive.

Go figures :P

[Spad]

Same here dude!

My first computer was a zx81 :)

[racer xxx]

You cheap cry babies 20 or 30 dollars. Get real if that brakes your bank you should get another job. Maybe stop buying 130 dollar shoes and sun glasses. Go back to Miss PAC MAN its sounds more your speed.

[RC45]

Same here dude!

My first computer was a zx81 :)

ZX80.. :P

[Spad]

Was the zx80 as temperamental as the 81?

[liam_mc]

Is this liam_mc for real, or was he just jerkin our chains??? If he really means what he's written, he's a complete fool and idiot! Thanks for all the good laughs, guys!

well wee scot, you can just shut up and go away, if i wanted to hear an a*rsehole's opinion id fart.

well there is one thing i find funny about the game it's wacky compered to gt legends you only need to hold on the gas for 5 seconds and your half way up the track, mind you if i was in a mk2 jag it would be tomoro till i got to the first bend.

[Kris123]

If you want a sim go racing or something or if you dont like it play another game.

Now you disapointed we know that and we dont have to know all details like wrong menu styles and dont keep repeat :mad:

[Gutshot]

Commodore Vic 20 was what I learned to program in BASIC on, but in those days the most accurate sim was "Space Invaders". GTR2 costs about the same as those early games did and is slightly more realistic.:)

A giant step up was the Osborne 1 with the Z80cpu. Still have two. Thats where I learned CP/M and played "Zork". That game was a great sim (if you have a vivid imagination).

[eaglefan9727]

What a bunch of crybabies complaining about the GTR 2 sim. If you dont like it, Dont play the game and dont come in here and start complaining about how awful the game is, Because the sim isnt like real life. There will never be a race sim that is 100% perfect and like real racing. Each sim will have its flaws and that is a fact of life. Each of us has to realize that there will never be a perfect sim not now or in the future.

Concerning the issue with online racing. I really cant speak about that, Because I dont and will never do any online racing. All I can say is that not everyone who races online is a good driver, So people will encounter bad drivers and thats life.

Sometimes when I hear these people complain about a game of today. I wish they would realize how good they have it with games. Twenty years ago when I was young, You didnt have anything this good for a racing sim. The best thing going for a racing sim back then was Pole Position and that game sucked.

Maybe, These complainers need to stop and think how good they have it with these racing sims of today, Because I wish these were out 20 years when I was kid.

[liam_mc]

Look, you people are calling me silly for saying that gtr2 has disapointed me when most of you are coming on the topic making silly comments and calling me some what of a noob as it seems, so people who dislike something are noobs right ok, i dislike aldolf hitler am i a noob now.

[liam_mc]

I'm Not Expecting It Too Be Perfect Ok Initially I Wanted To Comment On It's Defualt's So Will Most Of You Just Stop Being F**king Hypocrit's By Saying That Were Whinning When You Are Aswell.

sorry i didn't mean to double post.

[Wee Scot]

well wee scot, you can just shut up and go away, if i wanted to hear an a*rsehole's opinion id fart.



Well, at least you have a decent sense of humor! OK, how about: "If I want any more sh*t out of you, I'll squeeze your head!" Why don't you take your pompous Opinions and stick em up your... No wait, keep em comin! The rest of us are really enjoying reading as you make an arse out of yourself. :roflmao:

[Gaiajohan]

I don't care about menu's.

My first experience with computers is already from 1989, it was an Acorn. :P
After that in 1991 we got a 80286 16MHz with the great games test drive 1 and grand prix circuit..

But I've never cared about menu's, if the game itself is good I'm happy. Just like GTR2.

[liam_mc]

Well, at least you have a decent sense of humor! OK, how about: "If I want any more sh*t out of you, I'll squeeze your head!" Why don't you take your pompous Opinions and stick em up your... No wait, keep em comin! The rest of us are really enjoying reading as you make an arse out of yourself.

"Pompous"......Read I dont like the game Ok How am i being pompous, oh wait you still like being an arsehole, let's smell anguish of this persons retort, and the ammount of Redundancy that this person is expelling, please do me a favor and really go and think before you post.

[Wee Scot]

"Pompous"......Read I dont like the game Ok How am i being pompous, oh wait you still like being an arsehole, let's smell anguish of this persons retort, and the ammount of Redundancy that this person is expelling, please do me a favor and really go and think before you post.

"let's smell anguish of this persons retort" ???

"the ammount of Redundancy that this person is expelling" ???

OK, I've made my point. I don't need to beat you up any more. You're doing that well enough by yourself.

[rasfigjohn]

Ah ah ah ah ... Wee ... You'll be tired by the end of the day! Now you're arguing with a kid in Liverpool!
You're far too optimistic about human beings this will kill you.

[Wee Scot]

Ah ah ah ah ... Wee ... You'll be tired by the end of the day! Now you're arguing with a kid in Liverpool!
You're far too optimistic about human beings this will kill you.

...or maybe someone else. Yes, God forbid I should drive some poor kid over the edge... :whoa:

[liam_mc]

I'm not a kid i prefere no good student bastard :D

plus i thought no-grip was a nice community, shame you have people who seperate themselves from other's depending on were they come from, if you want too know i can't stand most people in liverpool.

[Goresh]

Liam, I think its safe to say no one took your inital post seriously, maybe you should try and do the same concerning theirs. With all due honesty, how did you think people would react?
There is one very simple fix to all your grips though, mod the sim, do your own ingame screens, physics and if its a real must a horn (got to admit I found that annoying online, running LFS). Point is all these things are possible and far more constructive than posting your let downs here.

[Spad]

well no but that also proves your not a nazi!

[rasfigjohn]

I'm not a kid i prefere no good student bastard :D

plus i thought no-grip was a nice community, shame you have people who seperate themselves from other's depending on were they come from, if you want too know i can't stand most people in liverpool.

Lol... Man you're killing me! I have nothing against people in Liverpool... It was just a joke.

[vrmx]

Meh.

I've had enough of this bs.

:lock: