Season four information

jayblue · 10 March 12, 12:39

This thread provides all the information regarding race format, points system and calendar events for season four. We will be doing a shorter season than recent seasons using the Porsche Supercup mod.

Porsche Supercup mod

http://www.nogripracing.com/details.php?filenr=17676

Race Calendar

1) 31st March 2012 - Imola Gp 2004 - Stock game track

2) 7th April 2012 - Watkins Glen - http://www.nogripracing.com/details.php?filenr=2183

3) 21st April 2012 - Hungaroring - http://www.nogripracing.com/details....nr=7040&page=1

4) 28th April 2012 - Dubai Gp - Stock game track

5) 12th May 2012 - Interlagos - http://www.nogripracing.com/details.php?filenr=5962

6) 26th May 2012 - Jarama Gp - http://www.nogripracing.com/details.php?filenr=16400

7) 2nd June 2012 - Mosport - http://www.nogripracing.com/details.php?filenr=33344

8) 16th June 2012 - Silverstone Gp 2011 - http://www.nogripracing.com/details.php?filenr=34800

All dates and tracks subject to review.

POINTS SYSTEM

The points system has been kept the same as it was in season three.

1st 30 pts
2nd 26 pts
3rd 23 pts
4th 20 pts
5th 17 pts
6th 14 pts
7th 12 pts
8th 10 pts
9th 8 pts
10th 6 pts
11th 5 pts
12th 4 pts
13th 3 pts
14th 2 pts
15th 1 pt

Everybody will drop their lowest total points finish, effectively allowing us all to miss one race without too much of a points hit.

To be classified for points you must finish the lap on which 80% of the total race distance takes place.

WEIGHT/SUCCESS BALLAST:

In order to make the events closer success ballast will be given to cars as follows.

1st - 30kg
2nd - 25kg
3rd - 20kg
4th - 15kg
5th - 10kg

Weight ballast is cumulative up to a maximum of 60kg. Weight will be added based on a drivers finishing position in the previous two rounds he has taken part in. Due to the Porsche cars being slower than the GT1's we have previously used the weight ballast has been reduced for each event.

RACE LENGTH, TIME ETC

15 minute quali session commences at 19:30 UK time (currently GMT)

Races commence at 19:45 UK time.

Races will be 45 minutes in length.

As all the cars are technically the same just pick your favourite livery to race with!

All of the above is a work in progress. If anyone has an suggestions or idea's regarding any of the above please post below before we set dates for the season to commence.

jayblue · 11 March 12, 14:24

Thread updated - post any suggestions or questions below.

After running GT1 for a few seasons i think we need a change. For next season i am interested in LMP cars but tbh i have no motivation to test out lots of different mods, or any experience at editing the necessary files. If anyone would like to help in this regard in preparation for next season please post it up or PM me.

Truetom · 11 March 12, 18:16

Please contact H@l9000 from UKGTR about LMP2 mod. We had the cars well balanced and the season was tense to the last race.

http://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/inde...profile;u=1644

Nectaria · 12 March 12, 08:51

Supercup 2008 is a great mod, but I'm not good at it (cause it's a Porsche), but I'll try my best.

Sorry for having been offline for a while, got some health issues to get in check.

wpsracing78 · 12 March 12, 09:08

ohhhhh yeah

time is still a bit late so probably can't do a full season still, but.... my favourite car!! And some good tracks on the calendar - especially round 1

edgecrusher · 12 March 12, 10:14

Bleh I hate Porsche's. Can't drive them both in real life or GTR2.

Truetom · 19 March 12, 09:35

Gotta try this mode. Is it a much different car from stock Porsche Cup?

Nectaria · 19 March 12, 13:37

No idea, I have no idea what times are reasonable actually.

Kalinin · 19 March 12, 13:39

Can I join?
Is it simulation mode? TC/ABS "low" allowed?
I play on keyboard, any problem for you guys?
In case of experience is needed, I did some online races with P1, P2 and GT (driving GT's) on track.

jayblue · 19 March 12, 18:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kalinin

Can I join?
Is it simulation mode? TC/ABS "low" allowed?
I play on keyboard, any problem for you guys?
In case of experience is needed, I did some online races with P1, P2 and GT (driving GT's) on track.

The server is set to simulation mode with traction control and ABS disallowed. The only aid we allow is auto clutch. But if you are capable of keeping on the road and racing clean with the keyboard then you are welcome to join in - a wheel is much better though!

Kalinin · 19 March 12, 18:46

I know, but can't buy one now. They are very expensive in Brasil.
I'll join then! No problem driving this mod without aid.
Thanks!

Berger R - 74 · 19 March 12, 18:50

hi kalinin,

in r2p i did read in a post, that someone do drive with keyboard too and he is not slow with keyboard.
and he comes from brasil too.

servus

jayblue · 19 March 12, 21:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kalinin

I know, but can't buy one now. They are very expensive in Brasil.
I'll join then! No problem driving this mod without aid.
Thanks!

Great, i have added to you the registered driver list

Pre race chat will be going up in the next few days and the server sometime during the week leading up to the first race

wpsracing78 · 20 March 12, 11:15

Kalinin I played season 1 and 2 with a keyboard here no problem.

The supercup mod in particular was very easy for me to drive with keyboard as they don't have loads of power or oversteer - you shouldn't be at too much of a disadvantage.

But take it from a veteran keyboarder....get a wheel!!

Kalinin · 20 March 12, 13:57

I'm not among the fastest. But I can stay on track hehe

I want a wheel, but no idea when I'll get one.

quake_gl · 20 March 12, 14:36

Since i am not interested in running Porsches, i wont be racing this season guys.Have fun,and perhaps see you later.

Truetom · 20 March 12, 22:35

Tried the mod, not very thrilled.

Will join and see how it goes.

wpsracing78 · 21 March 12, 08:09

Gawd - lots of carcists here!!

I'd drive anything! Whats so bad about them? honestly.

I think the GT1's are a god awful handful - but I drove them happily!

Nectaria · 21 March 12, 09:18

I'm participating cause I like this league

Truetom · 21 March 12, 09:23

Don't know, WPS, it's just the way they handle and the fact that you can't change very much setups wise.

Will join for the company and see if I can race anyone here but I won't be hotlapping on my own.

fromgehenna · 21 March 12, 20:43

Just did my first laps ever on this mod and I have to say that it's quite good..... good means that the car likes going sideways and only little understeer on corner entry. Brakebalance set to 100% F51/R49 is great fun... not fast but fun going sideways.

For me it's not a problem that the setup is mostly locked. I'm not good on making setups so realy don't matter to me.

See you guys at the track.

P.S Since GT teamie Truetom is not going to do full season I could join someone's team. Anyone interested??

Nectaria · 22 March 12, 08:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by fromgehenna

Just did my first laps ever on this mod and I have to say that it's quite good..... good means that the car likes going sideways and only little understeer on corner entry. Brakebalance set to 100% F51/R49 is great fun... not fast but fun going sideways.

For me it's not a problem that the setup is mostly locked. I'm not good on making setups so realy don't matter to me.

See you guys at the track.

P.S Since GT teamie Truetom is not going to do full season I could join someone's team. Anyone interested??

I still have room in yippie-ki-yay racing.

fromgehenna · 22 March 12, 20:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nectaria

I still have room in yippie-ki-yay racing.

Count me in.

Skenys · 25 March 12, 15:31

Is a pit stop again mandatory?
Is it normal that there is no way to change the dampers, springs, gears?

jayblue · 25 March 12, 16:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skenys

Is a pit stop again mandatory?
Is it normal that there is no way to change the dampers, springs, gears?

A pit stop is not mandatory.

Many of the settings for car setup are fixed and cannot be changed. This makes the car more friendly for newer racers of those who only have limited time to make a good setup.

Skenys · 25 March 12, 17:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by jayblue

A pit stop is not mandatory.

Many of the settings for car setup are fixed and cannot be changed. This makes the car more friendly for newer racers of those who only have limited time to make a good setup.

I like!

wpsracing78 · 1 April 12, 12:31

I vote the NASCAR layout for Watkins Glen this week - it will suit this series so well!

seyli · 1 April 12, 15:28

I think the gp layout is suiting more the series vote for it ;d

Nectaria · 1 April 12, 15:31

To be honest for these cars, a shorter circuit > longer circuit. No idea how that translates in Watkins Glen lay-out.

fromgehenna · 1 April 12, 21:28

I like GP layout more.

wpsracing78 · 2 April 12, 07:17

hmm just drove long (GP with the busstop I think)

Scrap my original request - either long or GP would be better. Awesome car for this track!

ps. I think this version is scaled to like... Monster trucks! No way some of these corners are 4th gear, but they are!!! Which is why it's fun!

I just think the short circuit would provide a great race, and this seasons calendar has no more short sprinty type circuits after this one - but the long track is very fun.

JJC1 · 2 April 12, 18:03

Quote:

2) 7th April 2012 - Watkins Glen - http://www.nogripracing.com/details.php?filenr=2183

Server's up with all 3 layouts
pm me when you decide

Kalinin · 3 April 12, 18:12

I vote for long version (the one with buss stop) much more challenging.

fromgehenna · 8 April 12, 09:31

Barcelona has very very very long mainstraight and quite fast enrty on it. So our Porsches are redlining LOOOOONG time.
Another track maby?? But what?? Proposals??

jayblue · 8 April 12, 12:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by fromgehenna

Barcelona has very very very long mainstraight and quite fast enrty on it. So our Porsches are redlining LOOOOONG time.
Another track maby?? But what?? Proposals??

Yeah i view of Watkins maybe we need to review the schedule somewhat. I set the tracks based on peoples suggestions in the pre season threads - what would everyone like to see replace Barca?

fromgehenna · 8 April 12, 13:44

Gona do some laps tonight. Found some new tracks (well new to me) and gona test them on our mod.

Mad Hamish · 8 April 12, 15:23

there are all the small english tracks, cadwell, oulton, brands hatch etc etc.
i think they would suit this mod very well

-kim-

seyli · 8 April 12, 16:18

MONACO 2007 everywone!!! i think good battles can happend there and guys its MONACO!!!

seyli · 8 April 12, 16:47

or zolder in belgium , in those two circuits u have to realy dominate cars to make consistent lap times and with the porsches i think that racing here can realy be pumping adrenaline out of ur brain

!

Kalinin · 8 April 12, 18:23

Surfers Paradise!

wpsracing78 · 9 April 12, 03:10

Supercup races exclusively at Grand Prix circuits - they hit the limiter too.

I vote for Hungary, Monaco or Magny Cours!!!

jayblue · 9 April 12, 09:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by wpsracing78

Supercup races exclusively at Grand Prix circuits - they hit the limiter too.

I vote for Hungary, Monaco or Magny Cours!!!

Been a while since i raced at Magny Cours, wonder how we would get on with hitting the limiter there?

wpsracing78 · 9 April 12, 14:47

To be honest Jay - we'll be getting to the limiter almost everywhere - Interlagos for sure, Mosport for sure, Silverstone probably on Hangar.

I say leave the calendar how it is, doesn't damage the engine and we're all the same.

fromgehenna · 10 April 12, 19:27

I hate driving on limiter. It's not racing or driving. Dubai and Barcelona I know for sure are goin to be tracks where we would be driving on limeter for a long time.

I have some proposals for tracks to replace Barcelona and Dubai.

Oshimizu Japan, drove just 3 laps and love it.

Misano 2002, narrow since it's a bike track
Circuit Tremalito, bumpy but extremely fun
Charade 2009, great elevations
VLM Rouen 1974-1994, here we hit the limiter very promptly
Jops Siffert, nice fast flowing coeners
GPL Mont Juich, here we hit the limiter very promptly

All tracks except Tremalito are new to me so drove just 2.....6 laps to find out does they have the limiter problem. Don't know if any of them have any bugs but for me every track worked fine.

Kalinin · 10 April 12, 20:53

I don't know any of them

Just ask you folks to choose fast and post the link then so I'll drive in the track every time I have free time, driving on keyboard needs much practice lol

jayblue · 11 April 12, 14:39

Track schedule updated, replaced Barcelona with Hungaroring.

Berger R - 74 · 11 April 12, 15:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by fromgehenna

I hate driving on limiter. It's not racing or driving. Dubai and Barcelona I know for sure are goin to be tracks where we would be driving on limeter for a long time.

I have some proposals for tracks to replace Barcelona and Dubai.

Oshimizu Japan, drove just 3 laps and love it.

Misano 2002, narrow since it's a bike track
Circuit Tremalito, bumpy but extremely fun
Charade 2009, great elevations
VLM Rouen 1974-1994, here we hit the limiter very promptly
Jops Siffert, nice fast flowing coeners
GPL Mont Juich, here we hit the limiter very promptly

All tracks except Tremalito are new to me so drove just 2.....6 laps to find out does they have the limiter problem. Don't know if any of them have any bugs but for me every track worked fine.

in dubai the highspeed is not so much, around 275kmh for GT1 cars, in barca for example it is around more then 280kmh, barce the straight is much longer too.
the 2 straights in dubai are not long, if in dubai this cars hit rpm limit, then this cars are sh.t moddelt?, you will hit limit then in 9 of 10 other tracks too.

wpsracing78 · 13 April 12, 11:58

Interlagos and Mosport will be on the limiter too.

JJC1 · 1 May 12, 11:56

Server's up

Quote:

5) 12th May 2012 - Interlagos - http://www.nogripracing.com/details.php?filenr=5962

Nectaria · 2 May 12, 16:57

I won't be there, it's my daughter's anniversary party

10 March 12, 12:39	#1
jayblue Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: West Mids, England Age: 30	Season four information This thread provides all the information regarding race format, points system and calendar events for season four. We will be doing a shorter season than recent seasons using the Porsche Supercup mod. Porsche Supercup mod http://www.nogripracing.com/details.php?filenr=17676 Race Calendar 1) 31st March 2012 - Imola Gp 2004 - Stock game track 2) 7th April 2012 - Watkins Glen - http://www.nogripracing.com/details.php?filenr=2183 3) 21st April 2012 - Hungaroring - http://www.nogripracing.com/details....nr=7040&page=1 4) 28th April 2012 - Dubai Gp - Stock game track 5) 12th May 2012 - Interlagos - http://www.nogripracing.com/details.php?filenr=5962 6) 26th May 2012 - Jarama Gp - http://www.nogripracing.com/details.php?filenr=16400 7) 2nd June 2012 - Mosport - http://www.nogripracing.com/details.php?filenr=33344 8) 16th June 2012 - Silverstone Gp 2011 - http://www.nogripracing.com/details.php?filenr=34800 All dates and tracks subject to review. POINTS SYSTEM The points system has been kept the same as it was in season three. 1st 30 pts 2nd 26 pts 3rd 23 pts 4th 20 pts 5th 17 pts 6th 14 pts 7th 12 pts 8th 10 pts 9th 8 pts 10th 6 pts 11th 5 pts 12th 4 pts 13th 3 pts 14th 2 pts 15th 1 pt Everybody will drop their lowest total points finish, effectively allowing us all to miss one race without too much of a points hit. To be classified for points you must finish the lap on which 80% of the total race distance takes place. WEIGHT/SUCCESS BALLAST: In order to make the events closer success ballast will be given to cars as follows. 1st - 30kg 2nd - 25kg 3rd - 20kg 4th - 15kg 5th - 10kg Weight ballast is cumulative up to a maximum of 60kg. Weight will be added based on a drivers finishing position in the previous two rounds he has taken part in. Due to the Porsche cars being slower than the GT1's we have previously used the weight ballast has been reduced for each event. RACE LENGTH, TIME ETC 15 minute quali session commences at 19:30 UK time (currently GMT) Races commence at 19:45 UK time. Races will be 45 minutes in length. As all the cars are technically the same just pick your favourite livery to race with! All of the above is a work in progress. If anyone has an suggestions or idea's regarding any of the above please post below before we set dates for the season to commence. Last edited by jayblue; 13 May 12 at 14:25. Reason: Calendar dates changed

12 March 12, 09:08	#5
wpsracing78 Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Adelaide, Australia Age: 23	ohhhhh yeah time is still a bit late so probably can't do a full season still, but.... my favourite car!! And some good tracks on the calendar - especially round 1 Last edited by wpsracing78; 12 March 12 at 09:33.

19 March 12, 13:39	#9
Kalinin Join Date: Aug 2011	Can I join? Is it simulation mode? TC/ABS "low" allowed? I play on keyboard, any problem for you guys? In case of experience is needed, I did some online races with P1, P2 and GT (driving GT's) on track. Last edited by Kalinin; 19 March 12 at 13:53.

25 March 12, 15:31	#24
Skenys Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Antwerp, Belgium	Is a pit stop again mandatory? Is it normal that there is no way to change the dampers, springs, gears? Last edited by Skenys; 25 March 12 at 16:21.

8 April 12, 09:31	#34
fromgehenna Join Date: May 2007 Location: Finland Age: 35	Barcelona NOT good for us Barcelona has very very very long mainstraight and quite fast enrty on it. So our Porsches are redlining LOOOOONG time. Another track maby?? But what?? Proposals??

11 March 12, 14:24	#2
jayblue Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: West Mids, England Age: 30	Thread updated - post any suggestions or questions below. After running GT1 for a few seasons i think we need a change. For next season i am interested in LMP cars but tbh i have no motivation to test out lots of different mods, or any experience at editing the necessary files. If anyone would like to help in this regard in preparation for next season please post it up or PM me.

11 March 12, 18:16	#3
Truetom Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Ljubljana, Slovenia Age: 48	Please contact H@l9000 from UKGTR about LMP2 mod. We had the cars well balanced and the season was tense to the last race. http://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/inde...profile;u=1644

12 March 12, 08:51	#4
Nectaria Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Belgium Age: 30	Supercup 2008 is a great mod, but I'm not good at it (cause it's a Porsche), but I'll try my best. Sorry for having been offline for a while, got some health issues to get in check.

12 March 12, 10:14	#6
edgecrusher Join Date: May 2007 Location: Krakow, Pol Age: 33	Bleh I hate Porsche's. Can't drive them both in real life or GTR2.

19 March 12, 09:35	#7
Truetom Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Ljubljana, Slovenia Age: 48	Gotta try this mode. Is it a much different car from stock Porsche Cup?

19 March 12, 13:37	#8
Nectaria Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Belgium Age: 30	No idea, I have no idea what times are reasonable actually.

19 March 12, 18:46	#11
Kalinin Join Date: Aug 2011	I know, but can't buy one now. They are very expensive in Brasil. I'll join then! No problem driving this mod without aid. Thanks!

19 March 12, 18:50	#12
Berger R - 74 Join Date: Apr 2007	hi kalinin, in r2p i did read in a post, that someone do drive with keyboard too and he is not slow with keyboard. and he comes from brasil too. servus

20 March 12, 11:15	#14
wpsracing78 Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Adelaide, Australia Age: 23	Kalinin I played season 1 and 2 with a keyboard here no problem. The supercup mod in particular was very easy for me to drive with keyboard as they don't have loads of power or oversteer - you shouldn't be at too much of a disadvantage. But take it from a veteran keyboarder....get a wheel!!

20 March 12, 13:57	#15
Kalinin Join Date: Aug 2011	I'm not among the fastest. But I can stay on track hehe I want a wheel, but no idea when I'll get one.

20 March 12, 14:36	#16
quake_gl Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Greece Age: 23	Since i am not interested in running Porsches, i wont be racing this season guys.Have fun,and perhaps see you later.

20 March 12, 22:35	#17
Truetom Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Ljubljana, Slovenia Age: 48	Tried the mod, not very thrilled. Will join and see how it goes.

21 March 12, 08:09	#18
wpsracing78 Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Adelaide, Australia Age: 23	Gawd - lots of carcists here!! I'd drive anything! Whats so bad about them? honestly. I think the GT1's are a god awful handful - but I drove them happily!

21 March 12, 09:18	#19
Nectaria Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Belgium Age: 30	I'm participating cause I like this league

21 March 12, 09:23	#20
Truetom Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Ljubljana, Slovenia Age: 48	Don't know, WPS, it's just the way they handle and the fact that you can't change very much setups wise. Will join for the company and see if I can race anyone here but I won't be hotlapping on my own.

21 March 12, 20:43	#21
fromgehenna Join Date: May 2007 Location: Finland Age: 35	Just did my first laps ever on this mod and I have to say that it's quite good..... good means that the car likes going sideways and only little understeer on corner entry. Brakebalance set to 100% F51/R49 is great fun... not fast but fun going sideways. For me it's not a problem that the setup is mostly locked. I'm not good on making setups so realy don't matter to me. See you guys at the track. P.S Since GT teamie Truetom is not going to do full season I could join someone's team. Anyone interested??

1 April 12, 12:31	#27
wpsracing78 Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Adelaide, Australia Age: 23	I vote the NASCAR layout for Watkins Glen this week - it will suit this series so well!

1 April 12, 15:28	#28
seyli Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Romania, CLUJ	I think the gp layout is suiting more the series vote for it ;d

1 April 12, 15:31	#29
Nectaria Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Belgium Age: 30	To be honest for these cars, a shorter circuit > longer circuit. No idea how that translates in Watkins Glen lay-out.

1 April 12, 21:28	#30
fromgehenna Join Date: May 2007 Location: Finland Age: 35	I like GP layout more.

2 April 12, 07:17	#31
wpsracing78 Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Adelaide, Australia Age: 23	hmm just drove long (GP with the busstop I think) Scrap my original request - either long or GP would be better. Awesome car for this track! ps. I think this version is scaled to like... Monster trucks! No way some of these corners are 4th gear, but they are!!! Which is why it's fun! I just think the short circuit would provide a great race, and this seasons calendar has no more short sprinty type circuits after this one - but the long track is very fun.

3 April 12, 18:12	#33
Kalinin Join Date: Aug 2011	I vote for long version (the one with buss stop) much more challenging.

8 April 12, 13:44	#36
fromgehenna Join Date: May 2007 Location: Finland Age: 35	Gona do some laps tonight. Found some new tracks (well new to me) and gona test them on our mod.

8 April 12, 15:23	#37
Mad Hamish Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Jylland Age: 50	there are all the small english tracks, cadwell, oulton, brands hatch etc etc. i think they would suit this mod very well -kim-

8 April 12, 16:18	#38
seyli Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Romania, CLUJ	MONACO 2007 everywone!!! i think good battles can happend there and guys its MONACO!!!

8 April 12, 16:47	#39
seyli Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Romania, CLUJ	or zolder in belgium , in those two circuits u have to realy dominate cars to make consistent lap times and with the porsches i think that racing here can realy be pumping adrenaline out of ur brain !

8 April 12, 18:23	#40
Kalinin Join Date: Aug 2011	Surfers Paradise!

9 April 12, 03:10	#41
wpsracing78 Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Adelaide, Australia Age: 23	Supercup races exclusively at Grand Prix circuits - they hit the limiter too. I vote for Hungary, Monaco or Magny Cours!!!

9 April 12, 14:47	#43
wpsracing78 Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Adelaide, Australia Age: 23	To be honest Jay - we'll be getting to the limiter almost everywhere - Interlagos for sure, Mosport for sure, Silverstone probably on Hangar. I say leave the calendar how it is, doesn't damage the engine and we're all the same.

10 April 12, 19:27	#44
fromgehenna Join Date: May 2007 Location: Finland Age: 35	Proposals I hate driving on limiter. It's not racing or driving. Dubai and Barcelona I know for sure are goin to be tracks where we would be driving on limeter for a long time. I have some proposals for tracks to replace Barcelona and Dubai. Oshimizu Japan, drove just 3 laps and love it. Misano 2002, narrow since it's a bike track Circuit Tremalito, bumpy but extremely fun Charade 2009, great elevations VLM Rouen 1974-1994, here we hit the limiter very promptly Jops Siffert, nice fast flowing coeners GPL Mont Juich, here we hit the limiter very promptly All tracks except Tremalito are new to me so drove just 2.....6 laps to find out does they have the limiter problem. Don't know if any of them have any bugs but for me every track worked fine.