24 Hours of Le Mans 2012 Discussion - Page 6

Sauron · 17 June 12, 10:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by mov|ng-target

The aim of these systems is to gain an advantage on the track, not to save the environment although marketing wants to make us think so. That was the point of my post.

BTW: Audi in the wall...

And Audi #2

Skyle · 17 June 12, 10:13

Hoooooooooly......

pau pau · 17 June 12, 10:16

Ay caramba!

Skyle · 17 June 12, 10:18

And I thougt it was going to be borefest until the end.

mov|ng-target · 17 June 12, 10:19

Maybe this would be the perfect moment to pace themselves if they don't want to look like fools.

skiffle · 17 June 12, 10:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by MickeyMouse

The main purpose of the rule seems to be to make the cars appear more 'green'. As I said, given the choice, the car designers would much rather just get rid of the KERS and make the car 200 lb lighter. In F1 for example, they raised the minimum weight of the cars specifically to encourage people to create a KERS, as they had basically determined that the extra weight wasn't worth the extra power.

That is in part because the ACO has limited the systems to the point where they are only allowed to be a small performance differentiator, no doubt because the privateer teams are already unhappy about the current performance gap between themselves and the manufacturer teams. Quite a few privateer teams are fighting back hard against the post 2014 regulations, where the maximum recovery capacity has been increased 16 fold (to 8MJ) - OAK Racing are pressuring the ACO by openly considering withdrawing from the P1 category.

If you look at the current regulations, they have dictated a maximum capacity of 500kJ (Toyota were complaining that they should be allowed to recover much more energy - they already have the technology to produce a 1MJ system quite easily); furthermore, the ACO has limited the use of the hybrid systems to fixed points around the La Sarthe circuit, so even if they have stored up energy under braking, the driver cannot use that energy if he is not in the permitted zones.
As it is, the current systems have effectively been designed as "push to pass" systems because that what they are being limited to - I suspect in part because the ACO has been mimicking what the FIA was doing in F1, where KERS is being used as a "push to pass" system.

eclipse skyline · 17 June 12, 10:22

no.2 and no.3 are in repair

Sauron · 17 June 12, 11:22

E-Tron №1 is winner 2012 Le Mans 24 Hours(my favorite)

mrpowcz · 17 June 12, 11:58

Hmm I just went for a 5minute nap which turned into 5 hours.. still hour left though

LMP1 was decided a looong time ago anyway.

Street Racer 77 · 17 June 12, 12:47

Great Team amazing performance and winner of racing spirit in my opinion -> Murphy Prototypes!
http://www.facebook.com/MurphyPrototypes

What a shame it ended like that as they are such a great Team with a lot of love for their fans and love in the things they are doing.

All the best to them! My friends and I cheered the whole time for them!

kamikaze666 · 17 June 12, 13:00

Zee germans have conquered france once again.

Gyro Revolt · 17 June 12, 13:04

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Originally Posted by Skyle

And I thougt it was going to be borefest until the end.

It very much was. Audi wins, yawn.

Skyle · 17 June 12, 13:06

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Originally Posted by Gyro Revolt

It very much was. Audi wins, yawn.

I wrote that when the Audis crashed

) then I slept until there were 30 minutes left.

eahueahueah · 17 June 12, 13:07

that rebellion car did surprisingly well, finished within 10-11 laps of the leader?

mov|ng-target · 17 June 12, 13:13

Congrats to AUDI!

Totenkopf · 17 June 12, 13:18

Awesome race! Go Audi! Go!!!

Congratulations to the Team:

Congratulations to the Cars aswell:

http://i47.servimg.com/u/f47/14/57/03/17/bundes10.jpg

Alex1911 · 17 June 12, 13:19

Lol

mov|ng-target · 17 June 12, 13:26

Nah, we don't have any money back for military hardware, since we have to pay it for countries living over their (and our) pecuniary circumstances.

mrpowcz · 17 June 12, 13:32

Wtf.

YB0b · 17 June 12, 13:52

is this supposed to be fun?!?

LeSunTzu · 17 June 12, 13:52

Bah, just ignore it.

Too bad the Toyotas went down early, they looked like they had the pace and reliability to give Audi something to worry about.

The GTAm finish was interesting and the first couple of cars is not very far from the top GTE. ACO should make sure that all amateur drivers are of that level or at least experienced in endurance racing.

mov|ng-target · 17 June 12, 13:56

IMO it was a strong and promising debut by Toyota. I hope they are gonig to stay with it so LMP1 will get it's excitement back.

kamikaze666 · 17 June 12, 13:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by YB0b

is this supposed to be fun?!?

Kinda

eclipse skyline · 17 June 12, 13:59

Congratulations to audi
hope next year toyota can strike again

Totenkopf · 17 June 12, 14:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by YB0b

is this supposed to be fun?!?

You know these analogies?

Wehrmacht = invincible army and champion of efficiency (at least in '39-'41)

Audi arrived in full force for this year's LM, a real army and very efficient since they brought 4 cars to the end in the top 5

Panzer Tiger = best tank of WW2

since those R18 had big crashes but finished the race, while Toyota, well, one took off in Davidson crash (glad he's quite ok), the other after the slightest contact with the BatMobile got the race destroyed.

So, yes, it's supposed to be fun

Cooler404 · 17 June 12, 14:06

kennyken · 17 June 12, 14:18

Paul_in_DC · 17 June 12, 14:19

Congrats to Audi, though of course it's not surprising. A shame about McNish's late-race mistake -- would've been nice to see another Kristensen/McNish/Capello podium. But kudos to Lotterer/Treluyer/Faessler for another terrific showing.

I'm sure Toyota will be back. This was a strong showing despite being such a rush job to get back to Le Mans one year ahead of schedule.

Davidson's crash was pretty scary -- I hope his back isn't a long-term problem. Puzzling though -- I can only assume that Perazzini misjudged how quickly the Toyota would pass him, and just cut in too quickly. Bad move.

Also a pity to see the Delta Wing taken out like that. I was hoping they'd make the full race.

BUT... overall a fine 24 hours.

Paul_in_DC · 17 June 12, 14:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Totenkopf

So, yes, it's supposed to be fun

Poor taste.

THUNDERbreaks · 17 June 12, 15:00

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Originally Posted by Paul_in_DC

Poor taste.

I second that. WW2 isn't something to be proud of or making silly analogies and things like that.

Congratulations to the GTE winner #51 AF Corse Ferrari 458 Italia, driven by Gianmaria Bruni , Giancarlo Fisichella and Toni Vilander.

2nd place for the #59 Luxury Racing Ferrari
3rd place for the #97 Aston Martin Vantage.

Ecclesley · 17 June 12, 16:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Totenkopf

So, yes, it's supposed to be fun

The second WW is like a never ending disease.
About 70 year after date people still cannot stop comparing contemporary events with things from that period.
It happens everywhere, on (too) many subjects, in politics, on cultural and social subjects, in sports, you name it.
As if the are comparable, and as long as people cannot stop doing that, I fear we will see it going on for another 70 years........................

.
I have two words for that: disgusting and ill.

The WWII is an important piece of history, let's leave it there.

Andy81 · 17 June 12, 16:51

It's good that Toyota showed good pace in the race, but a real shame they couldn't make the end. Potential to be a real battle next year.
Real shame the Delta wing ran into so much trouble aswell, it had issues and was dropping down the order before it was taken out. But being so different it would have been great if we had seen just what it could do.
Quite a good race though, especially in LMP2 and the GT classes. I just wished when the battles were actually happening on track the cameras picked them up more rather than just focusing on the LMP1 front runners.
So many silly arty shots and the commentators getting all excited over something we couldn't see.
"Hes' got him, He's got him, just there" as were seeing the reflection of some mechanics goggles

It was quite entertaining though

wpsracing78 · 17 June 12, 17:07

Nakajima - booo! Ruined the LMP1 duel!

I must say - despite the result - Audi were woeful this year! Well, some of the drivers at least. If Peugeot were racing I'd guess they would've got a 1-2-3!

Anyway - A good race - Lot's a uneventful stints in terms of action, but that was a true endurance race - just a shame the fight at the top stopped so early, kind of deflated the race.

Toyota might be unbeatable next year!!

Totenkopf · 17 June 12, 17:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul_in_DC

Poor taste.

Quote:

Originally Posted by THUNDERbreaks

I second that. WW2 isn't something to be proud of or making silly analogies and things like that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ecclesley

The second WW is like a never ending disease.
About 70 year after date people still cannot stop comparing contemporary events with things from that period.
It happens everywhere, on (too) many subjects, in politics, on cultural and social subjects, in sports, you name it.
As if the are comparable, and as long as people cannot stop doing that, I fear we will see it going on for another 70 years........................

.
I have two words for that: disgusting and ill.

The WWII is an important piece of history, let's leave it there.

A bit of irony in your lives would not hurt........

I wonder why nobody complained last year when I posted this after Audi victory: http://www.nogripracing.com/forum/sh...&postcount=895

People just laughed......

And I know quite something about WW2, since I study Contemporary History at University....

kamikaze666 · 17 June 12, 17:30

The germans really rolled over their opponents!

LeSunTzu · 17 June 12, 18:09

I think we understood your "humor". No need to continue trolling this thread.

mov|ng-target · 17 June 12, 18:23

Well, it's easy to show some irony, if it's on other peoples costs.

Let's try:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Totenkopf

And I know quite something about WW2, since I study Contemporary History at University....

Ah, come on! How do you want to overcome the crisis by studying dead lock useless subjects like "Contemporary History". Just skip the study path and work as taxi driver straight away.
Funny?

Anyways,
half of my family lives in Genoa, the rest is spread all over Germany. So I know there are some flying tempers at the moment. But the line between irony to racism can be thin sometimes.

Totenkopf · 17 June 12, 18:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by mov|ng-target

Well, it's easy to show some irony, if it's on other peoples costs.

Let's try:

Ah, come on! How do you want to overcome the crisis by studying dead lock useless subjects like "Contemporary History". Just skip the study path and work as taxi driver straight away.
Funny?

Anyways,
half of my family lives in Genoa, the rest is spread all over Germany. So I know there are some flying tempers at the moment. But the line between irony to racism can be thin sometimes.

I study but I work too (that's why at 25yrs I still have to finish).

Just I don't know where is racism in what I posted

.

But anyway, Audi won, and Ferrari won his category, so, let's be happy of this.

OhioSpeed · 17 June 12, 20:13

Germany used Audi (Auto-Union back then) as a marketing tool for Nazi supremacy. So everybody that roots for Audi roots for Nazi Germany in essence? Lets not go and get all wishy washy over a picture.

bentley speed 8 · 17 June 12, 20:45

Now's the time to make a Toyota TS030 Hybrid Mod

Chico Landi · 17 June 12, 20:52

Congratulations Audi

Paul_in_DC · 17 June 12, 21:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by bentley speed 8

Now's the time to make a Toyota TS030 Hybrid Mod

I want the Delta Wing -- just for the bizarreness factor.

YB0b · 18 June 12, 00:54

which audi will win next year?
i think trel-lot-fäs will do it again. the are both the quickest and most reliable. atm at least

eahueahueah · 18 June 12, 04:17

mcnish deserves another win

eahueahueah · 18 June 12, 04:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Totenkopf

A bit of irony in your lives would not hurt........

I wonder why nobody complained last year when I posted this after Audi victory: http://www.nogripracing.com/forum/sh...&postcount=895

People just laughed......

And I know quite something about WW2, since I study Contemporary History at University....

how can it be a tdi when german tanks did not use diesel

mrpowcz · 18 June 12, 04:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul_in_DC

I want the Delta Wing -- just for the bizarreness factor.

Me too, I want to troll the real lmps

mov|ng-target · 18 June 12, 06:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by eahueahueah

how can it be a tdi when german tanks did not use diesel

The whole thing was not about acting smart.

mrpowcz · 18 June 12, 09:53

pau pau · 18 June 12, 10:28

Hope it won't be the last time we get to see this car. It ain't that bad looking, I sort of think it's pretty far-out.

bentley speed 8 · 18 June 12, 11:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by YB0b

which audi will win next year?
i think trel-lot-fäs will do it again. the are both the quickest and most reliable. atm at least

Maybe it will not be an Audi which will win next year...

17 June 12, 13:18	#266
Totenkopf Bite my shiny metal ass! Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Aprilia, Italy Age: 26	Awesome race! Go Audi! Go!!! Congratulations to the Team: Congratulations to the Cars aswell: http://i47.servimg.com/u/f47/14/57/03/17/bundes10.jpg Last edited by CX650; 17 June 12 at 14:13. Reason: Image size rule.

17 June 12, 10:13	#252
Skyle Join Date: Jan 2011	Hoooooooooly......

17 June 12, 10:16	#253
pau pau Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: terra scilicet septem castrorum	Ay caramba!

17 June 12, 10:18	#254
Skyle Join Date: Jan 2011	And I thougt it was going to be borefest until the end.

17 June 12, 10:19	#255
mov\|ng-target Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: The country that can't save them all...	Maybe this would be the perfect moment to pace themselves if they don't want to look like fools.

17 June 12, 10:22	#257
eclipse skyline Join Date: Mar 2010	no.2 and no.3 are in repair

17 June 12, 11:22	#258
Sauron Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Russia, Voronezh	E-Tron №1 is winner 2012 Le Mans 24 Hours(my favorite)

17 June 12, 11:58	#259
mrpowcz Join Date: Feb 2010 Age: 23	Hmm I just went for a 5minute nap which turned into 5 hours.. still hour left though LMP1 was decided a looong time ago anyway.

17 June 12, 12:47	#260
Street Racer 77 Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Germany at the Nürburgring	Great Team amazing performance and winner of racing spirit in my opinion -> Murphy Prototypes! http://www.facebook.com/MurphyPrototypes What a shame it ended like that as they are such a great Team with a lot of love for their fans and love in the things they are doing. All the best to them! My friends and I cheered the whole time for them!

17 June 12, 13:00	#261
kamikaze666 Join Date: Jul 2006	Zee germans have conquered france once again.

17 June 12, 13:07	#264
eahueahueah Join Date: Oct 2006	that rebellion car did surprisingly well, finished within 10-11 laps of the leader?

17 June 12, 13:13	#265
mov\|ng-target Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: The country that can't save them all...	Congrats to AUDI!

17 June 12, 13:26	#268
mov\|ng-target Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: The country that can't save them all...	Nah, we don't have any money back for military hardware, since we have to pay it for countries living over their (and our) pecuniary circumstances.

17 June 12, 13:32	#269
mrpowcz Join Date: Feb 2010 Age: 23	Wtf.

17 June 12, 13:52	#270
YB0b Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: http://www.racedepartment.com/	is this supposed to be fun?!?

17 June 12, 13:52	#271
LeSunTzu Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Paris	Bah, just ignore it. Too bad the Toyotas went down early, they looked like they had the pace and reliability to give Audi something to worry about. The GTAm finish was interesting and the first couple of cars is not very far from the top GTE. ACO should make sure that all amateur drivers are of that level or at least experienced in endurance racing.

17 June 12, 13:56	#272
mov\|ng-target Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: The country that can't save them all...	IMO it was a strong and promising debut by Toyota. I hope they are gonig to stay with it so LMP1 will get it's excitement back.

17 June 12, 13:59	#274
eclipse skyline Join Date: Mar 2010	Congratulations to audi hope next year toyota can strike again

17 June 12, 14:06	#276
Cooler404 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Warsaw, Poland

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kennyken Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Kent, United Kingdom Age: 25

17 June 12, 14:19	#278
Paul_in_DC Uploader Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Northern Virginia near DC Age: 56	Congrats to Audi, though of course it's not surprising. A shame about McNish's late-race mistake -- would've been nice to see another Kristensen/McNish/Capello podium. But kudos to Lotterer/Treluyer/Faessler for another terrific showing. I'm sure Toyota will be back. This was a strong showing despite being such a rush job to get back to Le Mans one year ahead of schedule. Davidson's crash was pretty scary -- I hope his back isn't a long-term problem. Puzzling though -- I can only assume that Perazzini misjudged how quickly the Toyota would pass him, and just cut in too quickly. Bad move. Also a pity to see the Delta Wing taken out like that. I was hoping they'd make the full race. BUT... overall a fine 24 hours.

17 June 12, 16:51	#282
Andy81 Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: England	It's good that Toyota showed good pace in the race, but a real shame they couldn't make the end. Potential to be a real battle next year. Real shame the Delta wing ran into so much trouble aswell, it had issues and was dropping down the order before it was taken out. But being so different it would have been great if we had seen just what it could do. Quite a good race though, especially in LMP2 and the GT classes. I just wished when the battles were actually happening on track the cameras picked them up more rather than just focusing on the LMP1 front runners. So many silly arty shots and the commentators getting all excited over something we couldn't see. "Hes' got him, He's got him, just there" as were seeing the reflection of some mechanics goggles It was quite entertaining though

17 June 12, 17:07	#283
wpsracing78 Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Adelaide, Australia Age: 23	Nakajima - booo! Ruined the LMP1 duel! I must say - despite the result - Audi were woeful this year! Well, some of the drivers at least. If Peugeot were racing I'd guess they would've got a 1-2-3! Anyway - A good race - Lot's a uneventful stints in terms of action, but that was a true endurance race - just a shame the fight at the top stopped so early, kind of deflated the race. Toyota might be unbeatable next year!!

17 June 12, 17:30	#285
kamikaze666 Join Date: Jul 2006	The germans really rolled over their opponents!

17 June 12, 18:09	#286
LeSunTzu Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Paris	I think we understood your "humor". No need to continue trolling this thread.

17 June 12, 20:13	#289
OhioSpeed Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: A suburb of Dayton Age: 27	Germany used Audi (Auto-Union back then) as a marketing tool for Nazi supremacy. So everybody that roots for Audi roots for Nazi Germany in essence? Lets not go and get all wishy washy over a picture.

17 June 12, 20:45	#290
bentley speed 8 Join Date: Feb 2009	Now's the time to make a Toyota TS030 Hybrid Mod

17 June 12, 20:52	#291
Chico Landi Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: São Paulo, Brazil Age: 42	Congratulations Audi

18 June 12, 00:54	#293
YB0b Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: http://www.racedepartment.com/	which audi will win next year? i think trel-lot-fäs will do it again. the are both the quickest and most reliable. atm at least

18 June 12, 04:17	#294
eahueahueah Join Date: Oct 2006	mcnish deserves another win

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mrpowcz Join Date: Feb 2010 Age: 23