Originally Posted by Chronus
What is at stake is SAFETY. We know what types of safety measures are being studied, what types are being discussed at length, what types are already being implemented (the car Wheldon et al were working on has been deployed and all Indy drivers have it, so that is one such example); there is no need for you or anybody to talk about tanks, box-like cars, because all these committees are not working with them in mind.
The new Indy Cars aren't tank-like, yet, but they have made a big jump towards it. Those enclosed fenders look terrible, IMHO. I really don't know why they didn't just make the series ALMS V2 and go with enclosed prototypes instead. This 'lip-service' to open wheel racing is just silly, even a borderline slap in the face, again IMHO. This goes back to what I said earlier about just ending the sport. If the only choices were those franken-cars or killing off American open wheeled racing completely and going to fully enclosed prototypes only, the latter would be far preferable, again IMHO.
Humm, I wonder if that has anything to do with IndyCar's ratings being significantly lower in every race except the 500 this year, just thinking out loud....
Originally Posted by Chronus
So, answer the question, I don't care about your IFs and BUTs, all I am asking is that you answer what I asked and not beat around the bush as usual
. Certainly, you have an opinion on this, don't mask it further with secondary considerations.
Answer my question directly first.
Answer it directly
which do you think will kill motorsports faster, fatalities in this day and age, or "too much" safety?
Which, one or the other?
We know where you stand on these accidents. Now, answer the question with NO IFs OR BUTs.
No reason for any venom…
Anyway, my response would be that your question is flawed because it is unreasonably constrained... It would be like asking "What 2 positive integers sum to 3, but you can not use the number 2?" It's impossible to answer. The machines can never
be made significantly safer without radically altering their appearance or performance, so appearance and performance must, by definition, be involved in any answer I give, I’m sorry if that isn’t good enough for you.
If we bend logic a little…
the cars could be made significantly safer without altering their speed, or appearance (a Star Trek force field generator perhaps?), then the increased safety would not negatively impact the sport
, IMO. If tachyon force fields get invented within the next few years, then yes, driver fatalities would clearly kill the sport faster. Short of force fields, then 'too much' safety would kill the sport faster, in my opinion, considering the fact it is physically impossible
, within the currently known laws of physics, to make the cars significantly
safer without radically
altering their appearance, most likely
for the worse in terms of subjective cool-factor and tradition-factor (and hence impacting the life blood of the sport, money).
I don't know how I can answer that question any more clearly. I'll even put it in connectives if it will help:
Significant Safety Increase → (Appearance Changed | Performance Changed) → Loss Of Viewers → Loss Of Funds → Sport Ends
If you disagree with me and my assertion, then fair enough, I don’t have a problem with that, but I resent your accusation that I’m avoiding your flawed question.
As for F2:
The cockpit design is sort of similar (F2 cars have that funny cut out between the dash and side head support). But there are other factors not related to the top of the cockpit, such as smaller carbon fiber bulkheads (reduces cost), more mass (about 200lb, thus more kinetic energy), less grippy tires (don't slow as fast), smaller tires (possibly more dangerous since they are less likely to bounce off the dashboard or rollbar when landing near the cockpit, also making them harder to see and more bouncy), stronger suspension parts (can get away with more of the wheel-to-wheel bumping that F2 is known for, but also makes them more likely to flip from contact), and less stringent track requirements (probably the largest contributor, F1 would never even think of racing at a track like Brands in this day and age), all of these factors make F1 safer, and it shows in the statistics.