69 times better than any Sim

[Chronus]

Originally Posted by max attack

CMon man, you always post excellent post's that teach me stuff.
Always a help.

Good community's are made of people like you guys.

It is also good to diffuse some situations with humour.

Although, mathematically, I am curious how you came about that number (69)...

It reminds me of...hmmm...nah...

---

We agree on something: we both hope pCARS turns out to be great.

Have a look at how beautiful pcars is.

Visually faultless. Amazing, simple amazing.

[max attack]

My wife helped me reach that number

I wonder what next weeks pcars update will have for us.
I plan on getting lots of screens shots next week, will post the best of them.

[Chronus]

LOL Here I was thinking it might just be something innocent...er...

In the next few months I'll be saving for a brand new racing rig, pit and wheels&pedals, I'm sure the final requirements of these new sims are going to be monstrous if one plans to run them in their full graphical and sound glory.

We shall see.

[SternRav0R]

Originally Posted by PortuguesePilot

i guess you missed the part where Micas said something like "i paid more than you have, so my opinion counts more than yours and i say: no modding".

Micas is probably the only Senior Manager level Member that I have ever seen flaunt how much he has paid in and won't hesitate to tell you so. He's also a loud mouth Texan that most just ignore when he get on about it. Big Ron is also a Senior in pCARS and you never see him flaunting his ability to pay in more. Then again he's German and a very likable.

The fact of the matter is no member, no matter how much they paid in has more voice than the other. The Studio leaders take all input into consideration from all paid members. If its a huge issue a Poll is posted that even 10 Euro Juniors can see. It's a Community effort.

Oh and Micas saying No modding, he's already been out voted, hence the Tweekit tool that comes with all builds now. Keep in mind Tweekit is not finished. Lots more goodies going into it.

[Chronus]

Originally Posted by SternRav0R

Micas is probably the only Senior Manager level Member that I have ever seen flaunt how much he has paid in and won't hesitate to tell you so. He's also a loud mouth Texan that most just ignore when he get on about it. Big Ron is also a Senior in pCARS and you never see him flaunting his ability to pay in more. Then again he's German and a very likable.

The fact of the matter is no member, no matter how much they paid in has more voice than the other. The Studio leaders take all input into consideration from all paid members. If its a huge issue a Poll is posted that even 10 Euro Juniors can see. It's a Community effort.

Oh and Micas saying No modding, he's already been out voted, hence the Tweekit tool that comes with all builds now. Keep in mind Tweekit is not finished. Lots more goodies going into it.

Great post!

[max attack]

Yes good post. Thank You.
A Tweekit tool you say. excuse my ignorance, but what does Tweekit do?

[SternRav0R]

Originally Posted by max attack

Yes good post. Thank You.
A Tweekit tool you say. excuse my ignorance, but what does Tweekit do?

Currently it allows you to adjust lighting and Camera positions per track. plus the new for this build System Timer tester.
Check this thread
http://forum.wmdportal.com/showthrea...akIt-Tutorials

[edubz123]

Oh hey, that internet connection requirement is just during the development of the game to help control access to the game. Upon release (somewhere in 2013) i highly doubt it will be a requirement anymore.

[jgf]

Originally Posted by edubz123

Oh hey, that internet connection requirement is just during the development of the game to help control access to the game. Upon release (somewhere in 2013) i highly doubt it will be a requirement anymore.

I wouldn't bet on it. Such absurd requirements are becoming more prevalent in games. Silent Hunter V is reported to shut down immediately if the internet connection is lost, causing you to lose all progress since your last save; a new flight sim will allow you to finish the current flight but once back to the menu you can do nothing but exit. I would like to have both but will not pay a penny for either until/unless there is a patch or hack that eliminates this dependency.

[max attack]

Well at least you won't get the boot out of program if you loose connection in pcars if you are doing quick race (not on line).
I lost connection many times during testing and was still able to drive.
At one stage I wasn't able to log in due to my neighbors cheap modem being too far away and the program would not start because it could not contact the server.

It would be good if you could do it all off line, I agree jqf.

Steam, Microsoft Market Place, on-line only games and consoles have ruined the game industry we so fondly remember.

[hoboholic]

Originally Posted by max attack

Well at least you won't get the boot out of program if you loose connection in pcars if you are doing quick race (not on line).
I lost connection many times during testing and was still able to drive.
At one stage I wasn't able to log in due to my neighbors cheap modem being too far away and the program would not start because it could not contact the server.

It would be good if you could do it all off line, I agree jqf.

Steam, Microsoft Market Place, on-line only games and consoles have ruined the game industry we so fondly remember.

Yeah its saving grace is the fact that you only need to be online during login, it's great
Although there was a time some builds ago (pre-b200) where I could actually start the game without a connection sometimes I have no idea how it worked but it was great.

[max attack]

It will be great to see our V8 Supercars in pcars. i see they are talking about it.

Whats your favorite car in pcars, Hobo?

[max attack]

I'm sorry, but this screenshot makes other race sims look sims.
thats right, it makes the others look like clown sims.

Buy pcars or its up to you.

[PortuguesePilot]

if you like graphics that much, buy a photograph.

there's so much more to a simulator than graphics...

[triskele10]

Originally Posted by PortuguesePilot

if you like graphics that much, buy a photograph.

there's so much more to a simulator than graphics...

I can't find the like button.

[max attack]

Originally Posted by PortuguesePilot

if you like graphics that much, buy a photograph.

there's so much more to a simulator than graphics...

Or enjoy real graphics in the best race sim EVER MADE!

Get on board Pilot, You will love it. you have my word.

[max attack]

I have tried both rf2 and pcars, so i might have a little more qualification in my statements than those that have only tried one. You can google pcars all you like, but its not the same as trying it in real life.

When it comes to screenshots and graphics, its only about looks. Pcars is more than a good looking Sim, Its MORE REALISTIC in all ways!
I have had many people try rf2 on my race sim and most of them don't like it. They like race injection more. Some of these people race or did race for a long time so they are giving me their opinions on how realistic they think it is.
Wait till they try pcars. i will tell you all what they say.
I think pcars does make other Sims look silly, not just on how it looks but how it drives and that is the most important part to me..
Hopefully, the other devs will step it up for you guys. It will be good for all of us.

[Dogzero1]

Originally Posted by max attack

Or enjoy real graphics in the best race sim EVER MADE!

Get on board Pilot, You will love it. you have my word.

This is making me sick now. What is your job role at WMD?

[max attack]

I paid $54 Australian dollars and purchased the Pre Alpha. I have made 1 post at WMD. So I guess that makes me a nobody.
I do it because I care about you Dogzero.
I do want you to have the best possible Sim racing experience that you can have. No more no less. I think you can check it out for only 10 euro. = win. You owe it to yourself.
If you do buy pcars, you can use my name (Max Attack) as a reference.

[triskele10]

If you want the best Sim, go to Ferrari, McLaren or Red Bull.
The normal PC or console games are all simcades.

[Chronus]

Originally Posted by PortuguesePilot

there's so much more to a simulator than graphics...

True words.

Originally Posted by triskele10

If you want the best Sim, go to Ferrari, McLaren or Red Bull.
The normal PC or console games are all simcades.

Completely disagree with you. We already have very good physics engines, therefore good racing sims.

But then, I took the trouble of looking inside.

[edubz123]

Originally Posted by max attack

I have had many people try rf2 on my race sim and most of them don't like it. They like race injection more.

man, I saw that picture of that cockpit you built. WOWZA! what is that thing?

I think one big thing is that you're using the CSR-E wheel which is like the best-of-the-best so you might be experiencing something much better than say the G27/G25 guys. (I use a G27 and think it's ok).

BTW, you have a friend request from me over at WMD.

[KittX]

Personally I think in a year or so we have rF2 looking the same level. Both of course will have their strong and weak points. But especially if the rfmod system will be more friendly rf2 could became very pretty and forward-thinking.
There are two completely different concepts for those platforms you know.
pCars is more original content and high standards originally, perhaps with no modding at all, as I see it; rF2 will be more of community-created content, and just look at how rf1 became prettier and better through all those years.

I don't like the conception "Choose that or die", it's wrong wrong wrong.

[fisheracing]

Originally Posted by max attack

Get on board Pilot, You will love it. you have my word.

Just trying to figure out what the 'underlying motive' is behind this type of statement. Hmmm...how much are you being paid m8?...

[max attack]

Originally Posted by edubz123

man, I saw that picture of that cockpit you built. WOWZA! what is that thing?

I think one big thing is that you're using the CSR-E wheel which is like the best-of-the-best so you might be experiencing something much better than say the G27/G25 guys. (I use a G27 and think it's ok).

BTW, you have a friend request from me over at WMD.

Thanks for the kind words Mate and thanks for the friend request too.

The CSR-E is good, thats for sure.

[max attack]

Originally Posted by fisheracing

Just trying to figure out what the 'underlying motive' is behind this type of statement. Hmmm...how much are you being paid m8?...

I have only given them money.
Are you saying I'm doing a good job?
Should they give me money

[kenpat]

Originally Posted by fisheracing

Just trying to figure out what the 'underlying motive' is behind this type of statement. Hmmm...how much are you being paid m8?...

Maybe it's just a great enthusiasm for a game. I think it's brilliant that some one is finding so much to enjoy in a sim that he wants to share it with every one.
The said game may not be to everybodies taste but let's not jump on the guy, suggesting ulterior motives, he's not forcing anyone to buy it only suggesting they try it.
Keep it light, don't let it degenerate into another flame thread.

[jgf]

Originally Posted by max attack

I'm sorry, but this screenshot makes other race sims look sims.
thats right, it makes the others look like clown sims.

Buy pcars or its up to you.

I'm reminded of a dear friend, now deceased, who was a fanatic stereo tweak (he once spent over $100/ft for speaker cable). He would no sooner make the last payment on a $3000 preamp than he would read of the latest Epitome of Audio Engineering to hit the market... and instantly, in his eyes, his entire system was garbage, sounding so awful it was unlistenable.

Remember when FSX first appeared and everyone was bowled over by the screenshots? Then came disillusionment and disappointment when it became apparent that to get such graphics AND maintain a usable frame rate required a liquid nitrogen cooled Cray, and by the time you cut back the options so FSX would run decently on a system most mortals could own, it looked little better than FS9 with all options maxed. Many fans remained with FS9, many newcomers shelved FSX and "downgraded" to FS9.

The pcar screenshots are impressive, but none say under what conditions they were taken.

And I take exception to your insinuation that we are all in some way deficient if we do not immediately delete GTR2, GTL, rfactor, etc.etc. and run get pcar.

(Perhaps you are affiliated with the company and all this hype is an attempt to drum up business?)

[Chronus]

Originally Posted by max attack

Hopefully, the other devs will step it up for you guys. It will be good for all of us.

Lots of people get carried away sometimes...

From this:

to where we hope it will be, there is a distance.

Assuming other devs must step it up is a strange thing to say given videos like this.

These "new generation" racing sims, pCARS included, must evolve a lot globally. All of them. For the benefit of all simracers.

Instead of getting carried away (much beyond simple enthusiasm), maybe we could understand that the team behind pCARS has a lot of work to do and there is enough time to deliver a great sim.

[JumpStart]

Originally Posted by max attack

After looking at how great the screenies from pcars were and reading peoples feedback, I just had to get it.
It cost me $54.00 Australian dollars. I paid with paypal and flawlessly downloaded the installer and then the main program (3.4 gig). Then it checked for up dates and downloaded a patch (500 mb).
Installed the program & calibrated the controllers.

The first time I ran pcars i had no real idea what tracks or cars it would have for me to chose from let alone the fact that I could choose DX11.
I was pleasantly surprised at the amount of cars and tracks there was

I chose the caterham first and then chose Bathurst.
WOW !!!!!!! It makes what I'm used too look like a windows 95 game.
Yes I know thats a big statement, but I can not stress how good this Simulation program is.
I chose the formula A as my second car. First thing I noticed was I didn't have traction control on yawn. YAWN NOT! It was crazy!
For a start the Bathurst track is the finest version of this great track I have ever had the pleasure of driving on.
The sense of speed was incredible. The sense of when you need to brake was second to none in Sims.
The force feedback on the CSR-E was mind blowing. I drove for about 4-5 hours just trying each car on Bathurst and I can feel some blisters coming on on each hand. AWESOME!
The graphics is how I would of expected from a top Race Sim in 2012-2013.
It ran FLAWLESSLY and gave me good fps not that i checked what I was getting. I did go into the graphics settings just for a look. I did notice I could turn some things on and up to make it look better. Hahaha, There was no way i needed to do anything as I was so satisfied I still can not believe how good it was.
Slightly Mad Studios have set the bar so high there is no way any other program will catch to this brilliant brilliant Sim.

If you like hill climb type tracks, its got it.
If you like old F1 cars, it has it.
If you like the highest quality graphics, tracks and cars, its got it.
If you like you like the physics of real cars, it has it.
If you like F1 cars with sick Turbo's, its got it.
If you want DX 11 quality, it surly ticks that box.
If you love rooster tails, its has that too.
If you like updates weekly, you can have that too.
If you like carts, its got it.
If you like formula fords, you will want to marry this program.
If you like realistic weather & dynamic volumetric clouds, it has it.

I could add another 312 more reasons why this is the best Racing Sim and why its not going to be surpassed by any current Sim, but you should stop reading this and go try for your self. I give you my word, its is the best.

When you purchase your copy of pcars, Tell them Max Attack Recommended this (You get to say who recommended it when purchasing).

Finally, someone being Honest about pCARS! So many folks are just simply Bashing the Game and the Developers for their "Ground Breaking" approach to develop a game Sim Gamers Want! You would think more folks would get on board.

Best $54 Aus Bucks ever spent I bet!

Well Said

[Chronus]

Originally Posted by max attack

I'm sorry, but this screenshot makes other race sims look sims.
thats right, it makes the others look like clown sims.

Buy pcars or its up to you.

Very unfortunate post.

Originally Posted by KittX

I don't like the conception "Choose that or die", it's wrong wrong wrong.

Well put.

[JumpStart]

Originally Posted by PortuguesePilot

you are not alone, sir. i, also, am against the obligatory internet connection thingy. i came to loath the concept since the (now infamous) EA AutoLog "feature"...

Wrong on pCARS internet; it is like this now for controlling "HACKERS". pCARS will not be internet required once released.... though I'm sure it will offer online updates, leader-boards and other cool internet options.

Any Sim Race/ Race Gamer not taking part in this WMD approach IMHO is a Simple Minded or better yet; Close Minded, Dim-witted, Idiotic, Goof Ball to put it lightley! (just cutting up... not insulting anyone directly in this forum)

How could you not get on-board with a developer willing to share the development at least once!

For 50/60 US dollars or so... plus you get the final released version... so really you only buying it in advance and get to play it rather than a pre-order and never seeing finished product until released!

Anyway, I'm a full member and like pCARS development model and how they share development information and weekly builds!

[Chronus]

Originally Posted by JumpStart

Any Sim Race/ Race Gamer not taking part in this WMD approach IMHO is a Simple Minded or better yet; Close Minded, Dim-witted, Idiotic, Goof Ball to put it lightley!

Sad post.

I wonder why this is allowed in the NG community...

[maeckie]

Originally Posted by Chronus

Sad post.

I wonder why this is allowed in the NG community...

i agree and wonder myself. posts like this really dim the experience on this site and the exterior view for pCars itself.

i wonder why most of the posters here don´t do that on the wmd forum. thats where this belongs.

now keep on posting interesting stuff °!

[vondutch51]

This topic is making me want to bash my head against a brick wall. Why do some of you feel the need to convince everyone else that what you like is the BEST and therefore the ONLY Sim worth playing. Maybe you should concentrate on driving faster instead of posting this drivel, or better yet get out into the Real World and enjoy life. Argghhhh.

[Chronus]

Indeed.

Problem is, vondutch51, that this has gone again beyond the need to "convince". The poster above is effectively ridiculing and insulting others just because they do not share his/her opinion on pCARS:

Any Sim Race/ Race Gamer not taking part in this WMD approach IMHO is a Simple Minded or better yet; Close Minded, Dim-witted, Idiotic, Goof Ball to put it lightley!

I ask: why is the above in any way good for the future of pCARS?

[edubz123]

Dont like, dont read, dont comment. Works for me.

[Chronus]

Insults...violate...forum rules.

[Kazumi]

Originally Posted by max attack

Buy pcars or its up to you.

Thanks for leaving us the choice ! I think I'm going to smash a wall now

[Chronus]

Eheheh, good one, Kazumi.

I recommend a box of Bayer's Aspirin afterwards, though.

[redi]

Originally Posted by JumpStart

...
Any Sim Race/ Race Gamer not taking part in this WMD approach IMHO is a Simple Minded or better yet; Close Minded, Dim-witted, Idiotic, Goof Ball to put it lightley! (just cutting up... not insulting anyone directly in this forum)

How could you not get on-board with a developer willing to share the development at least once!

Please don't insult people in your enthousiasm, it's not necessary and it doesn't do your case for the game any good.

[redi]

Originally Posted by jgf

isn't that beta testing?



Did I not specifically state I wasn't complaining, merely making an observation.

The times I was on beta teams, renumeration went the other way; I received mobos, CPUs, vid cards, games, free CompuServe time (guess how long ago that one was), etc.; but times change.

Whether this "latest, greatest" sim lives up to its hype remains to be seen; but, like every sim we've known and loved all the way back to "Indianapolis 500: The Simulation", by the time it's on the market it will have as many detractors as supporters, and the arguments will continue.

It's not beta testing, it's actively taking part in the development and design of the game. It's too bad you can't have a look at the WMD/pCARS forums, you'd see how much involvement the comunity has and how involved they are in many aspects of the game with the devs being active on the forums and listening to the community.

As for the financial side, yes you pay to be a tester/co-developer, but you're funding the game's development and you share in the profit, so if pCARS does well then everyone will get their membership fee back and more (the break-even point was a mere 200k copies IIRC).

As for having to be online while playing the current builds, that's the easiest way of copy protection right now, plus it is necessary for certain parts of the game like the leaderboards. The final game will have social networking functionality as well, so being online will be an intergral part of the game. Nothing is known about being able to play offline, but I see no reason why it shouldn't be possible.
Still, I don't see the big problem in general. Sure, if the server is down then you're in trouble so an offline mode is certainly something I'd like to see, plus something to deal with disconnects gracefully, but with cloud computing and social networking getting more common, I can't see why an online connection in itself is a bad thing.

[Dogzero1]

If there is no offline mode at final release then I for one will not be buying into Pcars. That's a fact.

[kligson]

Originally Posted by Dogzero1

If there is no offline mode at final release then I for one will not be buying into Pcars. That's a fact.

Another one for your checklist?

[Jonny683]

Until theres a Demo, I'm not interested, though the Capers look cool.

[max attack]

Originally Posted by jgf

I'm reminded of a dear friend, now deceased, who was a fanatic stereo tweak (he once spent over $100/ft for speaker cable). He would no sooner make the last payment on a $3000 preamp than he would read of the latest Epitome of Audio Engineering to hit the market... and instantly, in his eyes, his entire system was garbage, sounding so awful it was unlistenable.

Remember when FSX first appeared and everyone was bowled over by the screenshots? Then came disillusionment and disappointment when it became apparent that to get such graphics AND maintain a usable frame rate required a liquid nitrogen cooled Cray, and by the time you cut back the options so FSX would run decently on a system most mortals could own, it looked little better than FS9 with all options maxed. Many fans remained with FS9, many newcomers shelved FSX and "downgraded" to FS9.

The pcar screenshots are impressive, but none say under what conditions they were taken.

And I take exception to your insinuation that we are all in some way deficient if we do not immediately delete GTR2, GTL, rfactor, etc.etc. and run get pcar.

(Perhaps you are affiliated with the company and all this hype is an attempt to drum up business?)

I take the clown comment back. & the head banging assertion. I would never suggest people delete and Sims or are stupid if they don't. Sorry, if it came across that way.
The headbanging icon was a reference to people wanting and waiting for better more realistic Sims. So is that really that bad?

I'm more into getting others enjoying Sim racing than drumming up business.

BTW, I think all of the screenshot where captured during replays.

No offence intended guys.

[LogRoad]

Danged missionaries.

Frank

P.S. pCARS rules!

[jgf]

Originally Posted by redi

It's not beta testing, it's actively taking part in the development and design of the game. It's too bad you can't have a look at the WMD/pCARS forums, you'd see how much involvement the comunity has and how involved they are in many aspects of the game with the devs being active on the forums and listening to the community.

As for the financial side, yes you pay to be a tester/co-developer, but you're funding the game's development and you share in the profit, so if pCARS does well then everyone will get their membership fee back and more (the break-even point was a mere 200k copies IIRC).

In the days of CompuServe companies such as Sierra and SSI maintained forums where anyone, not just the beta team, could converse with the programmers, artists, etc. as we are conversing here. With the demise of entities like CompuServe most development teams became quite insular, only communicating with small groups given access to private forums; this eventually created a, for lack of a better term, elitist attitude among those privileged few, who would occasionally descend from the clouds to regal us poor oafs with tales of the grand and glorious things they had seen.

Today, it is similar; but instead of being invited to join a beta team you pay to be a member. This does remove some of the elitist aura. But nowhere have I said anything against, or in favor of, this practice; it exists, participate if you like. I merely commented.

"It's not beta testing......you pay to be a tester" ??

Originally Posted by redi

As for having to be online while playing the current builds, that's the easiest way of copy protection right now, plus it is necessary for certain parts of the game like the leaderboards. The final game will have social networking functionality as well, so being online will be an intergral part of the game. Nothing is known about being able to play offline, but I see no reason why it shouldn't be possible.
Still, I don't see the big problem in general. Sure, if the server is down then you're in trouble so an offline mode is certainly something I'd like to see, plus something to deal with disconnects gracefully, but with cloud computing and social networking getting more common, I can't see why an online connection in itself is a bad thing.

An online connection is not a bad thing, a required online connection in order to play offline is.

In the days of DOS and early windows many games required you to look up the answer to a question in the manual and enter that before the game would continue. Quite irritating. And it was only a matter of weeks before hacks appeared to eliminate this.

Then came the requirement to have the CD in the drive in order to start the game. Another annoyance (not to mention the risk of damaging the disc from frequently shuffling it in and out of the drive). And in a few weeks a No-CD hack would appear to eliminate this.

The came such as the intrusive and often nonfunctional Starfarce. It took some months but this, too, was eventually hacked.

So we now have a dictatorial demand that we maintain a constant internet connection in order to play a game OFFLINE. I've no doubt this will also be hacked. And when it is, then will I purchase the game (by which time the price will have dropped, so the developer gets less than if I'd purchased when it was first released). Note - this is aimed at the state of gaming today in general, not specifically pcar.

The bottom line is... the bottom line. How does the cost to the developer in time and effort creating such "protection" schemes compare to the possible losses due to pirate copies (would the people acquiring those copies have purchased the game otherwise? maybe, maybe not; that's pure speculation) or the losses due to people like me who will wait for a hack/crack/patch before buying the game?

I realize not everyone agrees with this principle, and that's fine; each of us does as we see fit. I was once "released" from employment after telling my engineering department to keep working and ignore a company inventory recovery program which, a quick computation disclosed, would cost over $200000 in production downtime while recovering perhaps $40000 in misplaced inventory.

[jgf]

Originally Posted by max attack

I take the clown comment back. ...

It is all too easy to be misconstrued when all we have is the written word with which to communicate. My comments in this thread have been taken as complaints.

I am actually quite interested in pcar, but am also quite skeptical of hype (usually the more something is hyped the more it requires the hype ...how often do you see Ferrari advertised?). It is teh nature of the computer world that hardware and software are ephemeral, today's "best" is tomorrow's memory; I may be impressed but not excited. Should I acquire pcar it will be as an addition to, not a replacement of, my current sims; not to say it couldn't replace them, time will tell. SCGT (remember it?) was finally evicted after years on my system when it became obvious it offered nothing that wasn't done better by GTL and GTR2; but GPL and NR2003, almost as old, remain since nothing has appeared in the interim that improves on them.

[max attack]

Originally Posted by jgf

. My comments in this thread have been taken as complaints.

.

Mine must of gotten people angry too . I thought your post's where quite eloquent mate.


Good post's people.