F1-VRC-2012 Season5 Main Thread

[zsoca]

Originally Posted by Nappe1

Mini Drivers Notice!

5 speed gearbox update is in attachment. Extract it to "GAMEDATA\TEAMS\GTC-TC-76\Mini Cooper S KAD Works" and overwrite old files. After that Mini #6 has the new gearbox for testing. (5 speed KAD Racing gearbox with 2 ratios for each gear and full selection of final gears)

Please test the new geabox with #6 skin (The Shell Mini) if you want to keep driving with the 4 speed or if you want to update your skin to use new 5-speed as well. If you want to upgrade your Mini to 5-speed, please let me know before 23rd of August, so that I can make needed changes to skins to be upgraded before updating the car to version 2.2

There will be also update from 2.1 (version now used) to 2.2 when the car get updated here as full download.

Hi Nappe!

I saw this version, I tested the Mini number 6. One gearbox with 5 gears always faster, than 4 gears, but these gear ratios don't like for me.

This is the classic gear ratio (I made with Commodore, I think it's ok)
GTL 2012-08-20 13-48-38-15.jpg

And here are the two best from Mini 5 gears ratio:
GTL 2012-08-20 13-51-46-25.jpg
GTL 2012-08-20 13-55-23-64.jpg

The second version is normal, but this is the longest final ratio, and the top speed not enought on Spa, and on Monza.

Please help me, if You know, may be I made wrong something.

[Nappe1]

Zsoca: you did exactly right. I never thought that there would be that kind of combination of ratios. (technically, your ratio selection is impossible in real world, but that's due simplified gearbox setup in GTL and so same to all cars in game with adjustable ratios. Not your error.)

I'll look if I find some more final gears. There's at least possibility to simulate longer input gears which could help tiny bit.

I will post another set of gearbox files to testing tonight.

[Nappe1]

Still for Mini Drivers only.
Unfortunately, I was only able to make just one longer final ratio, by having overdriven drop gears. If this is not enough, we'll need look to some other sollutions.

Updated beta gearbox in attachment, install same way as the previous one and test with the #6 Mini

EDIT: in quick testing, It seems to be long enough for Spa (getting a bit restless in over 130mph ) with zsoca's ratios, but probably for Monza you'll need to setup ratios so that fifth is 100/100

[zsoca]

Originally Posted by Nappe1

Still for Mini Drivers only.
Unfortunately, I was only able to make just one longer final ratio, by having overdriven drop gears. If this is not enough, we'll need look to some other sollutions.

Updated beta gearbox in attachment, install same way as the previous one and test with the #6 Mini

EDIT: in quick testing, It seems to be long enough for Spa (getting a bit restless in over 130mph ) with zsoca's ratios, but probably for Monza you'll need to setup ratios so that fifth is 100/100

Thank You Nappe!

It's better, and faster than 4 gears gearbox.
If may be, I like change to 5 gears ratio box in number 58 Mini.

[Geoffers]

5-speed for me too Nappe in the #80.

[Nappe1]

pretty good gearbox, it seems.
I will post the offcial update (and full ver 2.2 car) tonight or tomorrow latest.

[Nappe1]

Mini KAD Works v2.2 is here.
Superceeded with version 2.21 --> http://www.nogripracing.com/forum/sh...&postcount=718

[wilb47]

hi guys just to let you know i will be on holiday for spa & monza so reserve driver do me proud have fun guys

[Nappe1]

by the way,
Will we use the original GTL Spa, or perhaps the new one, which has starting grid and pits in where F1 cars are?

http://www.nogripracing.com/details.php?filenr=35736

[KDiesel]

Originally Posted by Matra-Rancho

...and now for something completely different:
Tried your Merc in Spa and could do 12 laps with a full tank. Please confirm this. Thx.

regards Matra-Rancho

Hi Matra, 12 laps with full tank confirmed.

Kimi

[seniordan]

Hi Nappe
Could you update car no 40 to the 5 speed gearbox for Peter Greendike please ?

Thanks, Seniordan

[Nappe1]

yes, i will reupload the files once more tomorrow.

[Matra-Rancho]

Originally Posted by Nappe1

by the way,
Will we use the original GTL Spa, or perhaps the new one, which has starting grid and pits in where F1 cars are?

http://www.nogripracing.com/details.php?filenr=35736

Hi,

yes we will use the new SpaETCC by derDumeklemmer.

Thought first it's the new layout, but it's a mix with the old "Bus-Stop" layout, the new (2010) pits
and the S/F line before the hairpin down to Eau-Rouge.
I think a great idea and no chance to cut the old pit out straight on the race track.

Funny first corner* now after the lights switching from red to green...

regards Matra-Rancho

*high crash potential

[JJC1]

Server's up

[Geoffers]

Originally Posted by JJC1

Server's up

Err Jim, there are only TC65 cars on the server at present!

[Matra-Rancho]

Hi,

from my server order form:
...
Cars: back to TC-76
...

regards Matra-Rancho

[JJC1]

Brain flatulence now corrected

[Nappe1]

Mini KAD Works v2.21 is here.
Here ya go: http://maailmantuska.mooo.com/~nappe...o221update.zip

- Extract to "GAMEDATA\TEAMS\GTC-TC-76\Mini Cooper S KAD Works" folder and overwrite existing files.


This version is available only as update and you can apply this update from v2.1 and v2.2. (only difference to 2.2 is one line of text in #40 car file, so I am not going to upload whole 96MB package again for such small modification.) In possible future newer versions, thios modification is included in full download as well.

This is for now the version everyone should have for the championship.

[Nappe1]

I just accidentally did Server record with pretty loysy lap. Probably I was first to drive the track.

However, there's going to be youtube video about that lap, so stay tuned.

[Nappe1]

Here's video about my first good tests for the spa...

[Matra-Rancho]

Hi guys,

the Summer-Break is over now and so the 12th F1-VRC-2012 race is coming...

Please tell us if you are NOT able to race on Wednesday 29.Aug. '12.
This is important for the "Standby-Drivers". Thanks.
Deadline is Tuesday 28.Aug. '12 - 22:00 GMT


Track: > Spa-Francorchamps ETCC V1.01 by DerDumeklemmer

all car download links you find in post #2
!! NEW >> Mini Cooper S KAD Works is updated to V2.2 now <<

Race-Schedule:
> 18:30 GMT - 60min. Qualification
> 19:30 GMT - 24 laps = 167,4km race

Date:
> 29.August '12 - 18:30 GMT

Server:
GC F1-VRC-2011

Rules:
- Fuel consumption x2
- Gentleman driving - do not destroy yours and others race in the first corner / first lap
- If you bump someone off though -> you have to wait for that one to return to track... in front of you!
Means not standing still - but slow down (and not blocking the race-line) till the driver is again in front of you.

>> ATTENTION ALL THIS IS IMPORTANT <<
If you join quali and find that you really have to change something
then stay for at least 2 minutes before you leave
This is to avoid GTL server bugs

Password: see post #1

Drivers-List: see post #3

Thanks Simbin for GTL - Thanks Gamers-Crib for the server - Thanks No-Grip for the database
Thanks JJC for GC-Server-Management - Thanks Cale for doing the standings

...let's have fun and fair racing

regards Matra-Rancho

[Nappe1]

I'll be testing more tonight, would be happy to have some company.

[seniordan]

Hey Nappe, drive this quick and tidy for 24 laps and we have a Mini winning the Spa F1 event,lol !

Good luck on Wednesday and thx for all the work on the Mini.

Seniordan.

[Matra-Rancho]

Hi guys,

today is race day - so I hope to see you in Spa-Francorchamps ...

Rules:
- Gentleman driving - do not destroy yours and others race in the
first corner / first lap
- If you bump someone off though -> you have to wait for that one to return to track... in front of you!
Means not standing still - but slow down (and not blocking the race-line) till the driver is again in front of you.

!! >> ATTENTION ALL THIS IS IMPORTANT << !!
If you join quali and find that you really have to change something
then stay for at least 2 minutes before you leave
This is to avoid GTL server bugs

Thanks Simbin for GTL - Thanks Gamers-Crib for the server - Thanks No-Grip for the database
Thanks JJC for GC-Server-Management - Thanks Cale for doing the standings

...let's have fun and fair racing

regards Matra-Rancho

!! >> Mini Cooper S KAD Works updated to V2.2 << !! - see post #2

[psyfungi]

Can't make it tonight, sorry.

[Matra-Rancho]

Hi,

that was great - 27 starters after 4 weeks of Summer-Break

I have to say Thanks to all drivers.

Caused by some "first corners trouble" this was a lonely race for me.

Except the laps chased by Woody - that was great fun.
Seems we both had different gear ratio settings. Mine was a bit better on the straights

Next week we meet us in Monza...

regards Matra-Rancho

[Cale]

Good to be racing again! Great race with DC all the way through the race. Good stuff!

Also it looks like we didn't lose as much people as usual during the summer break, which is nice.

[JJC1]

results & replay later today, sorry for delay

[DC07]

Originally Posted by Cale

Good to be racing again! Great race with DC all the way through the race. Good stuff!

Yeah,great race,enjoyable battle,grats

...and thanks and grats all!

[Nappe1]

As there was this controversy about some people cutting too much without being penalized and as the track conversion god was too busy, I decided to learn how the cut track stuff is defined in track files. Took me about 3 hours and now I have a lot more strictier Monza as beta 1. As I have never done such thing before, I am waiting some tips from DerDumeKlemm... erm, I mean the track conversion god so that I won't be screwing up my GTL install, nor releasing anything that might cause any troubles, so you have to wait for a moment before start laying down some rubber on this version.

But nevertheless, something is on it's way.

[toergisch]

Just wanted to say sorry to rob69 if you think that Iwas not a gentleman, but I thought it was not my fault, that you left the track left when I passed you there was still enough space or you could have lift the gas pedal to avoid any damage or driving into the green.
Thought about waiting for you but was not sure, so kept infront, then youstruggled a curve later with somebody else in contact or the sand.
I will watch the replay..

Bytheway,I enjoyed the race again, Pos 22 is not good but Monza is coming, life goes on

[Nappe1]

...and I got the track working in game.

Matra: if you want, I can send it to you for testing.

[JJC1]

- Results > click
- Replays > click

[Matra-Rancho]

Originally Posted by Nappe1

...and I got the track working in game.

Matra: if you want, I can send it to you for testing.

Hi Nappe,

yes I want it... Great thing this.

regards Matra-Rancho

[Matra-Rancho]

Hi,

and again some F1-VRC-2012 News:

* new skin for Driver: Jegger -> click

* Fuel problem with the Merc and the Alfa in Monza.
Could only do 14 laps with a full tank in the Merc. With 28 laps the race is to short (~59min.). We need 34 laps for a ~70min. race.

So I was thinking about this:
- We all have to pit twice and taking fuel is mandatory (tyres change only if you want).
- First pit-stop between end of lap 9 and end of lap 15
- Second pit-stop between end of lap 19 and end of lap 25

In all other laps the pits are open only for S&G penalty or repair, but not for taking fuel.

regards Matra-Rancho

[zsoca]

The Mini worked very well in Spa with the 5 gears ratio box. Big thanks Nappe! My race speed was good, but my start was horrible again. In first straight I lost six positions.( I'd like one Mini with KAD engine, and 4 wheel drive)

[Malcolm Reynolds]

Originally Posted by Matra-Rancho

Hi,So I was thinking about this:
- We all have to pit twice and taking fuel is mandatory (tyres change only if you want).
- First pit-stop between end of lap 9 and end of lap 15
- Second pit-stop between end of lap 19 and end of lap 25

Or we could make a small temporary alteration to it's HDC file? But I don't if you want to go down that route.

[1750gtv]

Or we could make a small temporary alteration to it's HDC file?

Oh yes. Team Autodelta would welcome an update for the GTAm...
New diff ratios and a bigger fuel tank as listed in the FIA homologation papers.

And how about some slightly illegal engine mods for the italien GP...?

The GTAm is I think the slowest on the awful long straights in Monza...

Greetz Clemens

[Nappe1]

Originally Posted by 1750gtv

Oh yes. Team Autodelta would welcome an update for the GTAm...
New diff ratios and a bigger fuel tank as listed in the FIA homologation papers.

And how about some slightly illegal engine mods for the italien GP...?

Greetz Clemens

time start bothering Papag21. I have submitted that fix (homologated ratios and 90 liter fuel tank.) in Brickyard legends forum in April (IIRC) already.

If illegal engine mods are allowed, I will supercharge the KAD engine, resulting 263bhp monster. (again, existing real life car is provided to prove that it is possible.)

As my two cents,
result of two mandatory pitstops sounds first as good sollution but eventually it most likely won't have much of difference for the cars which have longest running capacities. While having two stops needs more time, the cars like Opel and Porsche will need to fill just few liters in one of the stops, resulting less than stop and go pitstop time, while Mercedes and Alfa needs filling time of almost full tank in both pitstops. So I highly doubt this making much of a difference. However, If organizers rule the race as this way, then it will be so.


Zsoca: can't make four wheel drive to happen, sorry. (there's no such thing in real life.) However front brakes might be updated later on from original Cooper S 7.5 inch two caliber discs to KAD's 7.9 inch (biggest which fits to 10" rim) four caliber discs. That should improve the stopping power quite lot.

EDIT: about the GTAm; the update has been submitted to brickyard forums in 6th of March. I once more asked if the update could be released here as soon as possible. (third time already)

[Matra-Rancho]

Originally Posted by Nappe1

...
As my two cents,
result of two mandatory pitstops sounds first as good sollution but eventually it most likely won't have much of difference for the cars which have longest running capacities. While having two stops needs more time, the cars like Opel and Porsche will need to fill just few liters in one of the stops, resulting less than stop and go pitstop time, while Mercedes and Alfa needs filling time of almost full tank in both pitstops. So I highly doubt this making much of a difference. However, If organizers rule the race as this way, then it will be so.
...

Hi,

hmm was not sure about this, because I thought it makes no sense to start with a heavy full tank (=23 laps) Opel when you have to go only a max. of 15 laps. The Alfa & the Merc didn't need a full tank for every stint.

Can the Mini do 17 lpas on a full tank in Monza?

The hdc-file changing is also a good idea, but only changes for the fuel consumption - nothing else.
So we need for the Merc and the Alfa (& Mini?) 17 laps with full tank in Monza.

regards Matra-Rancho

[Nappe1]

Alfa GTAm just got the long waited update. As seperate patch though...
http://www.nogripracing.com/details.php?filenr=36406

I have no clue how much the 20 more litres in fuel tank will help.

EDIT: Matra, I have no idea how much Mini can do. Never been exactly interested about the stint lenghts, as I have been forced to live with the tyres. (they get usually too worn out before I ran out of fuel.)

I can check it tomorrow.

[Geoffers]

Originally Posted by Matra-Rancho

Can the Mini do 17 lpas on a full tank in Monza?

I doubt it, it will normally only do the same as the Merc & Alfa.

[Nappe1]

Originally Posted by Geoffers

I doubt it, it will normally only do the same as the Merc & Alfa.

I do recal that I would have been able to drive 13 laps (13.5 laps to be exact) with my driving in 5-speed Mini in Spa. I will test the Monza consumption tomorrow.

technically the fuel consumption has been interpolated from original Mini with correlation to new displacement. of course KAD revs a lot higher and you tend to keep the revs high, so it is even more thirsty than just due bigger bore and stroke. (so, to save some fuel, driver might want to choose longer ratios for Monza, to have lower rpm in high speed straights.)

fuel tank again is the biggest safety tank I could find with 2 days searching for Classic Mini still keeping the tank in the boot compartment. 65 litre version is so big that it will fill the spare wheel well as well, so I doubt much bigger being available anywhere. (of course if someone finds bigger safety racing tank that fits to Classic Mini's boot, I am more than happy to update the car use it. )

[Matra-Rancho]

Hi Nappe,

had a little test race in Monza-NoCut with 36 cars over 7 laps and no probs.
My pit-stop worked also.

Cut warnings are working fine

Alfa-Update is available now, so we need only some more fuel for the Merc & Mini.
Would be great if we can have this today, so I can add these things to the invitation post.

regards Matra-Rancho

[Nappe1]

able to make the Merc with bigger fuel tank happen, we need brand new Merc skin with non-existant number for the Kimi. alternative physics files needs to be mapped to new skin, so that no version mismatches happens with the original car and it's files. Can someone make this happen, so that I only need to look for the physics?

I am searching again bigger safety fuel tank which could fit in Mini's boot. anyone knows the exact measuments of real mini boot? for the merc it has huge trunk, so something standard american muscle safety tank fits in nicely in it.

EDIT: in march Kimi asked me to make him a new skin, with black car and red rims, but I was too busy back then.

EDIT2: Skin already done, see three posts forward.

[Nappe1]

Okay, I have found the new tanks for the two cars. Now just the Merc needs a new skin, can someone do it please?

[Nappe1]

Originally Posted by Nappe1

Okay, I have found the new tanks for the two cars. Now just the Merc needs a new skin, can someone do it please?

Nevermind, I have even the skin done.

bik and icons and upload... Hopefully Kimi likes a black mercedes.

EDIT:
Merc has ATL 170 litre fuel cell and Mini 5speed has ATL's 85 litre fuel cell (which fits in trunk "just"). Mini also gained 7.9 inch KAD 4 caliber discs in front. (10% increase in stopping power)

[Nappe1]

...and here's the Merc: http://www.nogripracing.com/details.php?filenr=36413

[zsoca]

Originally Posted by Nappe1;1618084
[B

Zsoca:[/B] can't make four wheel drive to happen, sorry. (there's no such thing in real life.)

Catapult? (-:

[Matra-Rancho]

Hi Nappe,

a big Thank you for your work

...the update to V2.3 link in your download post isn't working for me (says "page not found").

regards Matra-Rancho