Lazy Codemasters

[Gubba]

Have you seen that CM have removed the GP mode from F1 2012, they say hardly anybody used it, absolute rubbish i say, CM seem more interested in rushing titles to the shops and bugger the consequences. Thay are getting very lazy at CM. Also no cockpit view for Grid 2, same rubbish excuse. I for one are going to stop buying titles from CM, Until they listen to customers, And stop these rubbish explenations

[Beaverz]

Well... many people don't even know this mode exists. I mean seriously, my friend once ask me if he can make his own championship in F1 2011 and it was quite a facepalm-ed moment in my life. It was there all these times you *&!@$.

About cockpit view in GRID2 I know this will upset a lot of people out there including me but again, it'd be nice if they make it that user can turn off the steering wheel and adjust FOV. With triple screen it looks like I'm driving from the back seat, so for me this one is better none than crap. Also you can call me casual arcade lover sh*t but I mostly play with bumper cam or bonnet cam anyway.

Will I moan? Yes, I will. Will I buy? Yes... I will. But only when they're on sale though.

[Gubba]

Codemaster are getting some very serious abuse about these things on there forums, a lot of very unhappy people

[OhioSpeed]

Never used it anyway. But there is no reason to take it out.

[Highway Racer]

I'm not buying these either. I was disappointed enough with Dirt 3, Grid and especially F1 2010. Not buying Dirt Shodown and F1 2011 proved to be a great decision, completely ignoring F1 2012 & Grid 2 seems to be an ever better choice.

[Trebor901]

lol and they wonder why people use torrents

[Andy81]

I think some of the comments are a bit harsh. There are some improvments over the previous incarnations, and is enjoyable.
Although have to agree with regard to removing a game mode, kinda silly. Should have just left it in.
But this is no different to PES or FIFA really. If your playing on PC then it's £26 on steam and others less than £20 at the moment, not really that bad. Although i certainly wouldn't buy this every year on console.

[Trebor901]

there are improvements yeah but even with a pad it seems way too sensitive on the steering controls, just feels like you have no control on what the car is going to do when you turn into a corner or how much steering input to put in

[Andy81]

Originally Posted by Trebor901

there are improvements yeah but even with a pad it seems way too sensitive on the steering controls, just feels like you have no control on what the car is going to do when you turn into a corner or how much steering input to put in

As your on here, i'm sure you have a wheel

There's plenty of settings you can fiddle with too, it's not that bad.

[Trebor901]

yeah for pc but i prefer F1 on xbox because its just one of them games i dont consider a serious sim so like to play it with a pad and tbh it hasnt stopped me pre ordering it haha will always be a sucker for F1 games no matter how bad they are

[burnout01]

Originally Posted by Highway Racer

I'm not buying these either. I was disappointed enough with Dirt 3, Grid and especially F1 2010. Not buying Dirt Shodown and F1 2011 proved to be a great decision, completely ignoring F1 2012 & Grid 2 seems to be an ever better choice.

Dirt Showdown was not bad, Dirt 3 on the other hand was a huge let down for me to be honest. But your 100% right about F1 CM games. They also seem to have a lot of glitches, but they never really seem to patch them from what i've heard. Maybe that's more proof of there lazyness and rushing games. Also tight deadlines won't help either.

Just learnt from this thread actually that Grid 2 won't have cockpit view, and I won't buy because of that. Seems silly really without it.

I mean Dirt 2 and Grid 1 seemed fine with me back in 2009, I loved those games, but I don't know if it's just me or is it since they got the F1 rights they have gone slightly downhill? Maybe they have to much on there plate with Dirt, Grid & F1.

[Beaverz]

If you're gonna call them lazy (as mentioned in the title) I completely agree. Not just because they keep cutting feature but they're also recycling their model and tracks. The sole reason I don't buy showdown is because it's just reuse stuffs from Dirt2, Dirt3 and some from Grid. Why will I buy the same stuffs with different title?

But again, their games are so fun to play and I'm very easily impressed guy so I like them that's all.

[Highway Racer]

Originally Posted by burnout01

Dirt Showdown was not bad

I didn't like the controls and the destruction derby mode is just terrible. As if they tried to turn the Dirt 3 model more towards driving soap boxes with bumper car impacts. Even Grid did that mode better. And the rest is reuse from the last two entries in the series as Beaverz said.

Support for the F1 games is pretty much non existent. F1 2010 had one patch that didn't fix anything but a few trivial ones and added a few new bugs too.

When I first heard they were going to make Grid 2 I was actually excited and hoped they were bringing a more complete career experience back. But when I heard of the TrueFeel automaton and lack of cockpit views I lost interest completely.

[trotter2k]

i found it funny that F1 2010 looks better then F1 2011 graphics wise and ive got the demo of F1 2012 and it looks the same as F1 2011 but ill wait to see the finished version of F1 2012 "when its on sale"

[gears]

I find it humorous that a thread with this title is allowed to exist (which I think is fine btw), but all hell would break loose if someone started a thread titled "Lazy SMS"....

[Beaverz]

Originally Posted by gears

I find it humorous that a thread with this title is allowed to exist (which I think is fine btw), but all hell would break loose if someone started a thread titled "Lazy SMS"....

Well... we all know how "Sim racers" think of Codies so we can talk s*** about them anywhere anyway. They're like Russians in FPS games, the best villains of all times.

ps. I'm a big fan of Codemasters you know?

[gears]

lol

[OhioSpeed]

Originally Posted by Trebor901

yeah for pc but i prefer F1 on xbox because its just one of them games i dont consider a serious sim so like to play it with a pad and tbh it hasnt stopped me pre ordering it haha will always be a sucker for F1 games no matter how bad they are

I think I will pick up 2012 on xbox as well. Had the last 2 on pc and enjoyed them. To bad my G25 isn't compatible with the 360.

[DimiD]

Originally Posted by Beaverz

... They're like Russians in FPS games, the best villains of all times. ....

Hmm... what you mean exactly?

[burnout01]

Originally Posted by Highway Racer

I didn't like the controls and the destruction derby mode is just terrible. As if they tried to turn the Dirt 3 model more towards driving soap boxes with bumper car impacts. Even Grid did that mode better. And the rest is reuse from the last two entries in the series as Beaverz said.

Grid destruction derby was very fun! Very realistic, I liked how I had a damaged car and had to try and limp around for the rest of the race, found that very fun and challenging. They should have carried that to Showdown. Because that didn't have that at all. Which is a real shame I think.

I liked the Dirt 2 model better, Dirt 3 was quite a big let down for me.

[Beaverz]

Originally Posted by DimiD

Hmm... what you mean exactly?

You can make them like super bad guys so everyone wants to shoot them and they still don't protest or ban the game and also no one defend them, not just in the games but in the movies as well. Try doing that to other country (eg. Thailand) and you'll see how much difference it makes.

Pretty much like Codemasters, you can call them whatever you like and no one still don't defend them. Try the same thing with SMS and result will be totally different.

[DimiD]

Originally Posted by Beaverz

You can make them like super bad guys so everyone wants to shoot them and they still don't protest or ban the game and also no one defend them, not just in the games but in the movies as well. Try doing that to other country (eg. Thailand) and you'll see how much difference it makes.

Pretty much like Codemasters, you can call them whatever you like and no one still don't defend them. Try the same thing with SMS and result will be totally different.

and again "...hmmmm..." Interesting thoughts, but honestly says, I never noticed such things. (maybe i just looked not "deep" enough? )

[froogle]

I honestly don't see what all the fuss and furore is about.

F1 2010 sucked simply because they had no physics experts working on it. As a result, pretty much everything outside of the shiny graphics was awful.

F1 2011 was a definite improvement and F1 2012 from what I've seen working through producing videos on it today is what happens when a team iterates over something they already did, fixing the things they didn't like.

Environmental effects got a massive kick in the butt with awesome sound feedback on the state of the car, the crowd, the other cars and so on. Stability has been improved greatly with no crashes and seriously impressive performance right out of the box.

From what I've driven so far the handling is as I would expect it to be. The cars can be skittish but then again there's a reason there are only 50 or so people in the world currently licensed to drive the real thing in race conditions.

Overall, I like it. There are flaws sure. You don't get tire degradation outside of a 100% race for example. You can't flat spot a tire either. But you know what, tire modelling in most released sims (not beta or alpha) is pretty dire right now.

Oh and zero input lag.

I can see how people playing on a controller might rapidly hate the game, but hey, I don't see many world champs driving that way either.

Just my 2 cents.

[pk500]

I'm not a PC racing purist who sneers at console titles. I enjoy them, too.

But Codemasters really screwed up with F1 2012 for PC and console platforms. So many good, realistic features from the first two editions of the game were omitted, for no apparent good reason.

1. There's only one free practice session per race. Unrealistic, especially if the weather changes during the weekend.

2. No Season mode. You can't pick your favorite driver and complete an entire F1 season. You must instead participate in a new Career mode. Why not give players both options?

3. Poor braking model. F1 cars have the most powerful, carbon-fiber brakes of any vehicles in the world. F1 2011 simulated that very, very well. The braking distances inexplicably have been lengthened quite a bit in the F1 2012 demo. Foolish.

4. No scalable tire wear. This is a game-killer for me, and the main reason why I will not buy this game for any platform. Past editions of the franchise included tire wear even in shorter-distance races. This created incredible realism and plenty of strategic options that real F1 drivers and pit-wall strategists face every race. It was so much fun to try and guess when friends were going to pit in shorter on Xbox Live, adding another vital layer of strategy and fun. But Codemasters inexplicably has removed tire wear scaling from shorter-distance races in F1 2012.

Codemasters clearly is confused with the development direction of this franchise. They know F1 fans don't want an arcade game, but they also know pure sims don't sell on consoles.

So instead of offering something for everyone, Codemasters has made some really poor development decisions that have resulted in a muddled mess of a game that resides somewhere in sim racing purgatory.

That's very disappointing for a franchise that showed so much promise in 2010 and 2011.

F1 2012 resembles Felipe Massa's F1 career -- heading downhill fast.

[Gubba]

I totally agree with your braking coments, this years effort is a joke , its almost impossible to lock the brakes in dry or wet conditions, and i have just seen a interveiw with CM where they say they were worried the cars would be to fast and hard to handle, i say if we were worried about that sort of thing we would not be bying a formula1 title in the first place, do they think we are all three year old's

[brabham67]

Originally Posted by Gubba

I totally agree with your braking coments, this years effort is a joke , its almost impossible to lock the brakes in dry or wet conditions, and i have just seen a interveiw with CM where they say they were worried the cars would be to fast and hard to handle, i say if we were worried about that sort of thing we would not be bying a formula1 title in the first place, do they think we are all three year old's

I think it's fair to say that they make their decisions based on grabbing as much users/players as possible. Make the gameplay to hard and the casual gamers, which happens to be their target market, won't buy it.

The crowd here at Nogrip is more dedicated the "simulation" side of the genre. A demographic that is very small. So, it's not surprising that Codies makes their games to cater to the "arcade" side, as it's the best way to get a bigger return on their investment, compared to catering to the die hard sim fans.

It's hard for me to be let down by this title. Since they are Codemasters, I never expect anything close to the sims we have been playing all these years.

[DoMw94]

So now if I want to race my favourite car on a track of my choice, I have to hope I sign with them in career mode then wait for the race to come up?! Sorry but that's b******t! Not happy at all!

[pk500]

It makes no sense for Codemasters to say it removed two free practices because gamers apparently want a shorter race weekend, but then the removal of tire scaling forces people to compete a 100-percent distance race to get realistic tire wear.

That ranks right up there on the oxymoron meter with "jumbo shrimp." Stupid decisions.

[OhioSpeed]

I was wondering why there was only one free practice session. They got lazy again it seems. What a jip. That hurts the immersion for me. I enjoyed the 3 free practices. The one they do give you is only an hour long. Pretty weak. I think I will skip 2013. Come on codies. Get with it already. I expect it to get better every year. The 11 was an improvement on 10. But 12 is like starting all over again. For a company that has dedicated itself to racing games it's doing a piss poor job.

[Beaverz]

I haven't got a full blast with it yet but as far as I tried brakes are terrible. You can lock up the brake easily, well... this is not what I'm annoyed. What I don't like is braking distance is horrendous and you got almost no feel about it at all. Also turning circle is stupid as well.

Compare to 2011 in aspect of driving and simulation this is far worse. But about the crowd (not us) wowwing factor it got more.

Edit: Giving it a bit more time today (I'm in an exams period so I can't play much), tune FFB to my liking and I feel DFGT performs better than G27... again but only in driving feel, all rounder I'm still faster with G27. I'm not a fast driver but as far as my experience goes if I can't get comfortable within 5 minutes then the game is unnatural, and this game isn't. LFS took me less than a minute to perform powerslide (I'm not joking), Race 07 & Expansions I can get everything right in 3 minutes, GT5... 4 minutes. Unfortunately it took me nearly half an hour to get used to F1 2012 and so far I'm still not confident to take the corners full on. In the end of the day it still doesn't feel that rewarding after getting everything right.

[eclipse skyline]

no gp mode sucxx

[OhioSpeed]

It seems that F1WGP on n64 was more of a sim than this.

[Dan253]

Dom - thankfully coddies havent taken it out, its just under quick race with all your custom settings, choice of weekend length, SC etc etc. It does take a while to get used to, and it feels a lot harder than 2011.

[vohdoun]

It gets better. The corrupt save file is back with a vengeance for a 3rd time.

[chrisb222]

No GP Mode means I will not buy.

I am sure I am not the only person to use GP mode to follow (and feel more involved with) the real F1 season. Also sounds like only minor physics improvements from F1 2011. So not worth upgrading hardware from XP to W7

I use a G25 on PC and have bought both 2010 & 2011 versions of CM offering. In my opinion, neither has come close to GTR2 as a sim.

[dale223223]

You guys realize the F1 series is aimed at young boys and stoned teenagers right? This is like giving a critical analysis to the plot of a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movie.

Just be glad the content has been easy to convert. Sandrox's conversion of the cars gives me much more excitement than the actual game itself (well, the game itself really gives me no excitement, just the 3d models). The Austin F1 track conversion will be nice to have as well.

[vohdoun]

Originally Posted by dale223223

You guys realize the F1 series is aimed at young boys and stoned teenagers right? This is like giving a critical analysis to the plot of a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movie.

LoL! I know a hardware forum I'd be flamed on if I said that.

[OhioSpeed]

The turtles movie is a joke. Outer space my hind end.

[Apex1972]

Originally Posted by Trebor901

yeah for pc but i prefer F1 on xbox because its just one of them games i dont consider a serious sim so like to play it with a pad and tbh it hasnt stopped me pre ordering it haha will always be a sucker for F1 games no matter how bad they are

same here, I have gotten a bit more casual in my gaming as I grow older I guess.