BTCC 2012 news and rumours - Page 27

KindaUnstuck · 18 September 12, 17:01

No Liam Griffin apparently either

Alex1911 · 18 September 12, 17:17

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Originally Posted by KindaUnstuck

No Liam Griffin apparently either

I thought Mat Jackson's old S2000 car was available

well its better for Chris James , less odds to collide with somebody at the back

ivaneurope · 20 September 12, 11:48

http://www.facebook.com/lea.woodraci.../3686995334825
Lea Wood is going to skip Rockingham.

Alex1911 · 20 September 12, 14:31

this is a very interesting ascpect in their press release

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The team will be returning shortly with a substantial new package under the BINZ Racing banner.

could be a new NGTC car ?? I mean perhaps they bought one ! the Thorney Insignia ?

ivaneurope · 20 September 12, 15:39

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Originally Posted by Alex1911

this is a very interesting ascpect in their press release

could be a new NGTC car ?? I mean perhaps they bought one ! the Thorney Insignia ?

It will be a big miracle Thorney to sell their Insignia. And Wood doesn't have the money to buy NGTC car.

Andy81 · 20 September 12, 16:50

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Originally Posted by ivaneurope

It will be a big miracle Thorney to sell their Insignia. And Wood doesn't have the money to buy NGTC car.

Thorney have 2 Insignias, one which they havn't even built. There's no reason they couldn't sell that and still continue to run in the championship. It might even give them the money to run a full program next year with upgrades.

Alex1911 · 20 September 12, 16:55

the only team which can profit for all this missing cars is AMD cos they desperatly need some points ...

KindaUnstuck · 20 September 12, 19:59

Interesting about Lea Wood - the only other NGTC car around that we know of other than the Insignias is Wrathall's 2011 Toyota (presuming Adam Morgan's car is a new build?).

WSR have 2 of their BMWs for sale in Autosport today along with a spare shell, so hopefully that is a sign that their plans are progressing.

Andy81 · 20 September 12, 21:30

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Originally Posted by KindaUnstuck

Interesting about Lea Wood - the only other NGTC car around that we know of other than the Insignias is Wrathall's 2011 Toyota (presuming Adam Morgan's car is a new build?).

WSR have 2 of their BMWs for sale in Autosport today along with a spare shell, so hopefully that is a sign that their plans are progressing.

Wrathalls car isn't new, it's just had a face lift from last year.

KindaUnstuck · 20 September 12, 21:57

Ah OK, I thought I read somewhere that it was a new car at the start of the year, apologies

ivaneurope · 21 September 12, 12:21

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/102689
Matt Neal had a road accident prior the round at Rockingham. But still he will compete.

Alex1911 · 21 September 12, 18:10

hard RAIN has been forecast for Sunday , should be a very exiting racing then

Alex1911 · 22 September 12, 09:12

Plato first in FF1 followed by the 4 Hondas...

Heidfeld · 22 September 12, 09:27

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Originally Posted by Alex1911

hard RAIN has been forecast for Sunday , should be a very exiting racing then

Think I'd best be taking an umbrella then!

DoMw94 · 22 September 12, 11:20

A little off topic - Robb Holland will be racing in the WTCC at Sonoma for Bamboo

Alex1911 · 22 September 12, 14:22

seems that MG is way too fast, Plato 0.6 faster than the rest and even that useless Neate is 4th now

Andy81 · 22 September 12, 14:35

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Originally Posted by Alex1911

seems that MG is way too fast, Plato 0.6 faster than the rest and even that useless Neate is 4th now

Are you not going to complement them on being that fast round a lap while not being quick?

Alex1911 · 22 September 12, 14:38

I think perhaps after their abysmall Knockhill they may gotten more boost

But of course all it takes one of those Hondas to outbrake into Plato in the first hairpin and its all over for Plato..

Alex1911 · 22 September 12, 14:42

Plato 1.22.48 the ONLY driver under the 1.23 barrier

and WSR cars also peformed quite poorly

Plato
Shedden
Jordan
M.Jackson
Neate
Neal
Wrathall
Collard
J. Smith
Morgan
TOC
Austin
Newsham
Fuller
Foster
A. Smith
O. Jackson (they WASTED all that development money on this Golf)

Bratt
Hughes
James

KindaUnstuck · 22 September 12, 14:53

Decent job by Collard - the S2000 cars were always going to really struggle at Rockingham, a few tenths and he would have been top 5 so not too bad considering the disadvantage they have this weekend - Silverstone should switch back round again.

They won't be able to catch Palto, Neil, Jordan and Shedden but the BMWs should be able to move up a bit during the races as even last year when they were badly underpowered they had an ok weekend.

Trebor901 · 22 September 12, 23:20

its most likely going to be raining tomorrow so cant see the order staying NGTC dominated

Andy81 · 23 September 12, 10:16

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Originally Posted by Trebor901

its most likely going to be raining tomorrow so cant see the order staying NGTC dominated

I wouldn't be so sure, the only reason we saw S2000 do so well at Thruxton in the wet was there was alot of standing water. Any time it's wet without that the larger tires of the NGTC cars will help. Still depends on the conditions.

Trebor901 · 23 September 12, 10:18

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Originally Posted by Andy81

I wouldn't be so sure, the only reason we saw S2000 do so well at Thruxton in the wet was there was alot of standing water. Any time it's wet without that the larger tires of the NGTC cars will help. Still depends on the conditions.

Remember Rockingham 2008? there was more standing water than not when it rained in 2008

Alex1911 · 23 September 12, 10:46

MG are soo fast, should get boost reduction for Slverstone

Trebor901 · 23 September 12, 10:51

but they wont, 2012 is a joke

Andy81 · 23 September 12, 11:04

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Originally Posted by Trebor901

Remember Rockingham 2008? there was more standing water than not when it rained in 2008

Not sure on your point, we're comparing S2000 with NGTC during the wet. 2008 is before NGTC?

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Originally Posted by Alex1911

MG are soo fast, should get boost reduction for Slverstone

They're not fast through the speed traps, they're fast round the lap as the car built by 888 is great and Plato is a quick driver.

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Originally Posted by Trebor901

but they wont, 2012 is a joke

They? There is no they, boost is done by an equation. Results = boost. If Plato gets 2 wins and a good result in race 3, there will be boost reduction. But baring in mind that MG can only go down by 0.1 bar, as they are already nearly at the bottom.

Alex1911 · 23 September 12, 11:05

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Originally Posted by Andy81

They're not fast through the speed traps, they're fast round the lap as the car built by 888 is great and Plato is a quick driver.

but I thought this year the boost is caluclated based on LAP TIMES !! which means MG should get the boost reduction

Andy81 · 23 September 12, 11:08

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Originally Posted by Alex1911

but I thought this year the boost is caluclated based on LAP TIMES !! which means MG should get the boost reduction

No, boost is based on results, and MG have had far too many DNFs this year. Or at least DNF with Plato and Neate no where near the front.

KindaUnstuck · 23 September 12, 11:08

All the teams agreed to the rules when they signed up - so nothing about it is fixed.

It was always going to happen considering the MG boost values for this weekend were going to be based on Neate at Knockhill due to the weekend Plato had and Snetterton where things were relatively close.

Plato needs to be strong here as Silverstone should be S2000 land but going by the laptimes from Race 1 the MG will be slowed down for Silverstone, it's Jackson if anyone that has more engine boost than he should have because teh NGTC Ford hasn't shown it's full potential yet and presumably he inhertied the boost levels that he had with the S2000 Ford.

Andy81 · 23 September 12, 11:11

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Originally Posted by KindaUnstuck

All the teams agreed to the rules when they signed up - so nothing about it is fixed.

It was always going to happen considering the MG boost values for this weekend were going to be based on Neate at Knockhill due to the weekend Plato had.

Plato was always struggling for speed at Knockhill though, it was only wet quali that put him at the front. His dry pace was terrible. So it may not have been too different. They're still on low boost though and never got an increase for Rockingham.

Trebor901 · 23 September 12, 11:14

well its raining at silverstone which is only just up the road from rockingham

KindaUnstuck · 23 September 12, 11:15

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Originally Posted by Andy81

Plato was always struggling for speed at Knockhill though, it was only wet quali that put him at the front. His dry pace was terrible. So it may not have been too different. They're still on low boost though and never got an increase for Rockingham.

I had forgotten about Knockhill qualifying

To be fair also, 888 have done some serious work on that car, it was always going to come back to them as the year went on as they finished the cars so late so were playing catch up.

Alex1911 · 23 September 12, 12:16

RAIN FALLS , luck for Plato rivals

Trebor901 · 23 September 12, 12:27

not being funny if it rains there like it is at silverstone it will be a loooong boring time with a lot of safety cars and not much racing

Alex1911 · 23 September 12, 13:02

Neate useless as always

Trebor901 · 23 September 12, 13:02

888 to Andy Neate "chuck it in the gravel to give Jason a chance after a safety car"

Alex1911 · 23 September 12, 13:03

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Originally Posted by Trebor901

888 to Andy Neate "chuck it in the gravel to give Jason a chance after a safety car"

will Neal give him a Tap ?

Trebor901 · 23 September 12, 13:05

i doubt Neal will even try pass Plato because Plato will just have him off

Trebor901 · 23 September 12, 13:09

see pointless Plato is an idiot i hope Neal puts him off and out

Alex1911 · 23 September 12, 13:13

hmmm Plato didn't block, just let him thru...

Alex1911 · 23 September 12, 13:31

Hondas simply had luck with conditions

and congrats to AMD for their 8th in the Golf

big loser of the race Jordan

Trebor901 · 23 September 12, 13:33

not really Hondas are clearly the best chassis in the wet

Andy81 · 23 September 12, 14:35

Rofl, there goes any chance of a boost increase for Honda at Silverstone

Gotta love BTCC sometimes

Alex1911 · 23 September 12, 14:44

Neal again behind Plato wonder what will happen

well maybe the boost on the MG will go back a bit but if the system takes reference from BOTH drivers then its DEEPLY FLAWED since Neate is complelty useless and because of that Plato gets more boost then he should have

Trebor901 · 23 September 12, 16:08

ouch Jeff Smith, Shedden nearly done exactly the same on lap 2 but commentators and directors completely missed it

Alex1911 · 23 September 12, 16:09

this commentator is really abysmal, hopefully they change him for next year

Trebor901 · 23 September 12, 16:10

he's fine better than Ben Edwards

Trebor901 · 23 September 12, 16:12

I think Chris James can kiss goodbye to his place in BTCC after that

Trebor901 · 23 September 12, 16:15

that line Plato takes is as if his car has a limited slip diff.

Alex1911 · 23 September 12, 16:26

Shedden should become a drift racer

18 September 12, 17:01	#1301
KindaUnstuck Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Guernsey Age: 27	No Liam Griffin apparently either

20 September 12, 11:48	#1303
ivaneurope Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: BULGARIA	http://www.facebook.com/lea.woodraci.../3686995334825 Lea Wood is going to skip Rockingham.

20 September 12, 16:55	#1307
Alex1911 Join Date: Oct 2009	the only team which can profit for all this missing cars is AMD cos they desperatly need some points ...

20 September 12, 19:59	#1308
KindaUnstuck Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Guernsey Age: 27	Interesting about Lea Wood - the only other NGTC car around that we know of other than the Insignias is Wrathall's 2011 Toyota (presuming Adam Morgan's car is a new build?). WSR have 2 of their BMWs for sale in Autosport today along with a spare shell, so hopefully that is a sign that their plans are progressing.

20 September 12, 21:57	#1310
KindaUnstuck Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Guernsey Age: 27	Ah OK, I thought I read somewhere that it was a new car at the start of the year, apologies

21 September 12, 12:21	#1311
ivaneurope Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: BULGARIA	http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/102689 Matt Neal had a road accident prior the round at Rockingham. But still he will compete.

21 September 12, 18:10	#1312
Alex1911 Join Date: Oct 2009	hard RAIN has been forecast for Sunday , should be a very exiting racing then

22 September 12, 09:12	#1313
Alex1911 Join Date: Oct 2009	Plato first in FF1 followed by the 4 Hondas...

22 September 12, 11:20	#1315
DoMw94 Join Date: Apr 2009 Age: 18	A little off topic - Robb Holland will be racing in the WTCC at Sonoma for Bamboo

22 September 12, 14:22	#1316
Alex1911 Join Date: Oct 2009	seems that MG is way too fast, Plato 0.6 faster than the rest and even that useless Neate is 4th now

22 September 12, 14:38	#1318
Alex1911 Join Date: Oct 2009	I think perhaps after their abysmall Knockhill they may gotten more boost But of course all it takes one of those Hondas to outbrake into Plato in the first hairpin and its all over for Plato..

22 September 12, 14:42	#1319
Alex1911 Join Date: Oct 2009	Plato 1.22.48 the ONLY driver under the 1.23 barrier and WSR cars also peformed quite poorly Plato Shedden Jordan M.Jackson Neate Neal Wrathall Collard J. Smith Morgan TOC Austin Newsham Fuller Foster A. Smith O. Jackson (they WASTED all that development money on this Golf) Bratt Hughes James

22 September 12, 14:53	#1320
KindaUnstuck Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Guernsey Age: 27	Decent job by Collard - the S2000 cars were always going to really struggle at Rockingham, a few tenths and he would have been top 5 so not too bad considering the disadvantage they have this weekend - Silverstone should switch back round again. They won't be able to catch Palto, Neil, Jordan and Shedden but the BMWs should be able to move up a bit during the races as even last year when they were badly underpowered they had an ok weekend.

22 September 12, 23:20	#1321
Trebor901 Join Date: Nov 2006	its most likely going to be raining tomorrow so cant see the order staying NGTC dominated

23 September 12, 10:46	#1324
Alex1911 Join Date: Oct 2009	MG are soo fast, should get boost reduction for Slverstone

23 September 12, 10:51	#1325
Trebor901 Join Date: Nov 2006	but they wont, 2012 is a joke

23 September 12, 11:08	#1329
KindaUnstuck Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Guernsey Age: 27	All the teams agreed to the rules when they signed up - so nothing about it is fixed. It was always going to happen considering the MG boost values for this weekend were going to be based on Neate at Knockhill due to the weekend Plato had and Snetterton where things were relatively close. Plato needs to be strong here as Silverstone should be S2000 land but going by the laptimes from Race 1 the MG will be slowed down for Silverstone, it's Jackson if anyone that has more engine boost than he should have because teh NGTC Ford hasn't shown it's full potential yet and presumably he inhertied the boost levels that he had with the S2000 Ford.

23 September 12, 11:14	#1331
Trebor901 Join Date: Nov 2006	well its raining at silverstone which is only just up the road from rockingham

23 September 12, 12:16	#1333
Alex1911 Join Date: Oct 2009	RAIN FALLS , luck for Plato rivals

23 September 12, 12:27	#1334
Trebor901 Join Date: Nov 2006	not being funny if it rains there like it is at silverstone it will be a loooong boring time with a lot of safety cars and not much racing

23 September 12, 13:02	#1335
Alex1911 Join Date: Oct 2009	Neate useless as always

23 September 12, 13:02	#1336
Trebor901 Join Date: Nov 2006	888 to Andy Neate "chuck it in the gravel to give Jason a chance after a safety car"

23 September 12, 13:05	#1338
Trebor901 Join Date: Nov 2006	i doubt Neal will even try pass Plato because Plato will just have him off

23 September 12, 13:09	#1339
Trebor901 Join Date: Nov 2006	see pointless Plato is an idiot i hope Neal puts him off and out

23 September 12, 13:13	#1340
Alex1911 Join Date: Oct 2009	hmmm Plato didn't block, just let him thru...

23 September 12, 13:31	#1341
Alex1911 Join Date: Oct 2009	Hondas simply had luck with conditions and congrats to AMD for their 8th in the Golf big loser of the race Jordan

23 September 12, 13:33	#1342
Trebor901 Join Date: Nov 2006	not really Hondas are clearly the best chassis in the wet

23 September 12, 14:35	#1343
Andy81 Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: England	Rofl, there goes any chance of a boost increase for Honda at Silverstone Gotta love BTCC sometimes

23 September 12, 14:44	#1344
Alex1911 Join Date: Oct 2009	Neal again behind Plato wonder what will happen well maybe the boost on the MG will go back a bit but if the system takes reference from BOTH drivers then its DEEPLY FLAWED since Neate is complelty useless and because of that Plato gets more boost then he should have

23 September 12, 16:08	#1345
Trebor901 Join Date: Nov 2006	ouch Jeff Smith, Shedden nearly done exactly the same on lap 2 but commentators and directors completely missed it