Guess the car - Page 129

Ecclesley · 8 August 12, 10:09

No takers?
The looks of the car should be familiar with some historic racing enthusiasts, I guess.
Let me help you on the way.
The name of the car is a contraption of two famous racing car brands.....

Roger · 8 August 12, 13:57

I cannot find it but memory serves up a Lotus 15 fitted with some V8 muscle

Ecclesley · 8 August 12, 17:28

It is indeed Lotus 15 based but not with a muscle engine, if we can agree that it means some big block US power source.
Let us try to get this one over and done with.
A. Lotus based: Yes!
B. A Lotus: No, bar the design!
C. A special engine: Yes!
D. The name of the car a contraption of the name of the design and the name of the engine manufacturer.
In fact there were 2 such cars and their names are almost identical.
One was built in the US, see picture below, and the other one, the one we are looking for, in Singapore.

Geoffers · 8 August 12, 21:38

There was one built in the US with a Ferrari engine called the Flotus, but I don't think its the car you are looking for.

Tkrau · 9 August 12, 00:31

That up there ^ what I was thinking also.

Ecclesley · 9 August 12, 07:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Geoffers

There was one built in the US with a Ferrari engine called the Flotus, but I don't think its the car you are looking for.

I never heard of the Flotus, but you are coming ever so close.
You got the engine (Ferrari) right.

Let us summarize:
A. Lotus based: Yes!
B. A Lotus: No, bar the Lotus 15 design!
C. A special engine: Yes, Ferrari
D. The name of the car a contraption of the name of the design and the name of the engine manufacturer, but not Flotus.
E. Built in Singapore.

spin_doctor · 9 August 12, 10:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ecclesley

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D. The name of the car a contraption of the name of the design and the name of the engine manufacturer, but not Flotus.

Do you perhaps mean "contraction"? - The combination of 2 or more words into one.

Ecclesley · 9 August 12, 13:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by spin_doctor

Do you perhaps mean "contraction"? - The combination of 2 or more words into one.

Contraction is better.

Using the word contraption was meant as improvised.

Spike · 9 August 12, 13:39

Ferrotus

Ecclesley · 9 August 12, 17:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spike

Ferrotus

The Ferrotus is the American variant, we are looking for the Singapore version.
The name is (a bit) different.

Geoffers · 9 August 12, 20:56

OK found it, the Feratus.

Ecclesley · 10 August 12, 06:08

Feratus is correct. Geoffers is go.

Stanley Leong's car from Singapore had a 2 litre Ferrari engine.
The Singapore car was active in the Far East 1961-1963.
It was sold to Rodney Seow in 1963 and I believe destroyed in an accident at Kuala Lumpur in 1963.
The car was never very successful suffering overheating problems in tropical conditions.

Geoffers · 10 August 12, 09:00

I'm sure you car experts will know what this is!

Ecclesley · 10 August 12, 16:44

Veritas Cabriolet Spohn body.

Veritas is generally associated with BMW modifications that are more pleasing to the eye as well as having an impressive performance and racing history.

While certainly not the most shining example of automotive styling the car does have some interesting heritage. This example is the combination of a Spohn Body and Veritas tuned BMW in line 6 cylinder from the 327/328 along with the accompanying chassis bits.
Zodiac, Cadillac, I'm a motor-maniac. ...
Bring a trailer..............

frapp · 10 August 12, 17:37

Proto-type Homer Mobile

Drugs and car design don't mix.

spin_doctor · 10 August 12, 19:49

It does have that Hollywood over the top feel. Seems like one of the fantasies more often associated with Barris et al.

Tkrau · 11 August 12, 05:21

With looks like that, it should've been in 'Cars.'

Geoffers · 11 August 12, 11:18

Knew you experts would know it. Ecclesley is correct.

Ecclesley · 11 August 12, 16:32

And here we go again:

Ecclesley · 26 August 12, 14:34

Some clue: German engine.

Tkrau · 26 August 12, 17:03

Early early Porsche 917/10 prototype?

Ecclesley · 26 August 12, 17:08

No not a 917/10 but it is a Porsche.
Based on a 911 built in France backed by Porsche.
Very few built.

webfoot · 29 August 12, 08:18

Could it be something built by Tico Martini?

Ecclesley · 29 August 12, 19:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by webfoot

Could it be something built by Tico Martini?

No not Tico Martini, he was more in Renault as far as I am aware.
The car bears the name of the builder and is called both NamePorsche or PorscheName.
The car in the picture is the first version, below is the second version and I believe the only one still alive and now carriers Gulf livery in historic racing.

spin_doctor · 29 August 12, 21:02

Similar to the one seen at Riverside (below).

http://www.racingsportscars.com/phot...-10-28-020.jpg

LeSunTzu · 29 August 12, 21:30

With all those hints it finally rang a bell in my deficient memory: Chanabe Porsche.

Ecclesley · 30 August 12, 08:08

@ S.D. No not that one.

@ LST that's the car, the Chanabe Porsche CH 1, your turn.

In the beginning of the seventies Jean Chanabe, circuit and hill climb driver, built his own car based on a 2,2 ltr. Porsche S engine.
The car was backed by Porsche and was allowed to carry it's name.
The current livery of the CH2:

LeSunTzu · 30 August 12, 11:33

It is a nice car. The first pic must be in shape for 1973+ 2L proto races with the compulsory part covering the rear wheels. It looks better without it.

Here is the next one, not very far in spce and time as you can see:

Tkrau · 30 August 12, 17:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeSunTzu

It is a nice car.

I agree...that's a nice looking car.

Spike · 20 September 12, 18:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeSunTzu

Here is the next one, not very far in spce and time as you can see:

You happen to have a larger pic so we can see the details better.

spin_doctor · 20 September 12, 20:23

LeSunTzu,

I look forward to finding out which car it is and why you found it interesting. Your challenges frequently introduce me to aspects of car history I had yet to encounter.

The problem I have with the photo is not size as much that it strongly resembles a class run in current SCCA. A bit more info about the events run, the driver or the unique (if so) engineering would help to distinguish this particular vehicle from the 30 or more versions of very similar 850-1600cc cars I have seen over the years. The region and date are meaningful I am sure but I need a bit more help, please.

My best guess ATM is an 850-1000 CC Hill climb special with strong overtones of Mclaren M6, Chevron and Lola.

spin_doctor · 10 October 12, 22:42

Should we move on to the next subject? No comment from the poster in 10 days suggests he may have other things on his mind ATM.

We can always pick it back up when he returns.

Meanwhile...

Stig007 · 13 October 12, 10:41

Is it a Sans Titra?

spin_doctor · 13 October 12, 13:57

The Car with No Name? Wasn't that Clint Lastlap in the Sergio Leone classic A Tankful of Dollars?

spin_doctor · 18 October 12, 02:04

In the interest of continuing the thread here is an alternative poser:

A mongrel road racer from the era of build your own Maser/Jag/Ferrari-etc.

Reef Budseed · 18 October 12, 04:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by spin_doctor

In the interest of continuing the thread here is an alternative poser:

A mongrel road racer from the era of build your own Maser/Jag/Ferrari-etc.

Looks like a birdcage

Ecclesley · 18 October 12, 18:00

Dwelling on early Scarabs, Cooper Monaco's, Chaparral 1, Lister and Old Yeller III.

But I think it is the 1959 Peerless AmBro.

Tkrau · 18 October 12, 22:43

With that big power-bulge? There looks to be enough room to stuff a tall-stack injected Chevy in there, and I don't remember if those frames were capable of handling a heavy V8.

I was thinking Cooper, but the intake is the wrong shape...assuming that is the stock intake.

Ecclesley · 19 October 12, 05:23

In addition to my previous guess:
It could be an AmBro Triumph or AmBro Chevy
And it also looks like the Dio AmBro like this one:

spin_doctor · 19 October 12, 06:13

1971 Dio-Ambro Chevy it is. Ecclesley wins by a nose.

I first saw it several years ago when it was beginning restoration. Recently it was at VIR for the Gold Cup races. Apparently all that power through those skinny tires makes it quite a handful to drive.

More details here:

http://www.race-cars.com/carsales/ot...39776030ss.htm

and here:

http://www.diocars.com/dio-ambro-history/

Tkrau · 19 October 12, 06:29

Any idea why the Griffen box in the first pic is there?

spin_doctor · 19 October 12, 07:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tkrau

Any idea why the Griffen box in the first pic is there?

That's a Griffin Thermal box (http://www.griffinrad.com/). I think it may have held a radiator for the Ambro's 283 Chevy. Since there were so many cars in the shop in various degrees of service or restoration it is also possible the box was being used to hold some other parts for the Ambro.

Tkrau · 19 October 12, 15:33

Reason I asked is that there used to a high-end bicycle frame company, Griffin Cycles, and the logo on that box looks VERY similar to the design on the boxes Griffin shipped their frames in...the size of the box looks right as well for a frame.

BLeeKii · 19 October 12, 17:07

I could've sworn that just now I spotted one of those Griffin symbols in red & possibly facing the opposite way at the freshly released Bremgarten rF track on a billboard on the right-hand side of the track somewhere...
(Main straight maybe?)

Ecclesley · 19 October 12, 17:59

I will make a different turn in guessing this car.
Obviously it is a Maserati 3500GT.
But what is so special about this car.

Tkrau · 19 October 12, 21:31

It looks as if someone's turned it into a 60's-style Gasser...

- lifted front end, possibly due to a straight axle (this is assuming that the car is not being held up by the lift and causing the fr. suspension to sag)
- headers coming out/down in the fr. wheel wells; headers could also indicate a V8
- hard to tell with the lift's tower in the way, but it looks as if the rear wheel wells may have been enlarged to fit drag slicks

...am I close?

Raymond Lucardie · 19 October 12, 22:14

It is a 1961 Maserati 3500 GT Superleggera, that once belonged to Steve McQueen. He had the original Maserati engine replaced with a Ford 5,8l V8 and different gearbox.
The car was bought in 1997 by a German by the name of Gotthold Müller.

Am I correct?

spin_doctor · 20 October 12, 00:04

You mean this one? They seem to be the same car. 1st time I heard of McQueen building a Maser hill climb car. Who knows, eh?

http://www.motor-klassik.de/bilder/m...toshow_item=10

Tkrau · 20 October 12, 02:13

I'd like to see a bit more of the suede #76 Ford in the background...

Ecclesley · 20 October 12, 06:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raymond Lucardie

It is a 1961 Maserati 3500 GT Superleggera, that once belonged to Steve McQueen. He had the original Maserati engine replaced with a Ford 5,8l V8 and different gearbox.
The car was bought in 1997 by a German by the name of Gotthold Müller.

Am I correct?

Yes you are.

29 August 12, 21:02	#6425
spin_doctor Join Date: Dec 2005	Could it be Porsche KMW SP20? Similar to the one seen at Riverside (below). http://www.racingsportscars.com/phot...-10-28-020.jpg

20 September 12, 20:23	#6431
spin_doctor Join Date: Dec 2005	LeSunTzu, I look forward to finding out which car it is and why you found it interesting. Your challenges frequently introduce me to aspects of car history I had yet to encounter. The problem I have with the photo is not size as much that it strongly resembles a class run in current SCCA. A bit more info about the events run, the driver or the unique (if so) engineering would help to distinguish this particular vehicle from the 30 or more versions of very similar 850-1600cc cars I have seen over the years. The region and date are meaningful I am sure but I need a bit more help, please. My best guess ATM is an 850-1000 CC Hill climb special with strong overtones of Mclaren M6, Chevron and Lola. Last edited by spin_doctor; 23 September 12 at 15:20.

13 October 12, 13:57	#6434
spin_doctor Join Date: Dec 2005	The Car with No Name? Wasn't that Clint Lastlap in the Sergio Leone classic A Tankful of Dollars? Last edited by spin_doctor; 13 October 12 at 21:24.

18 October 12, 18:00	#6437
Ecclesley Join Date: Apr 2009 Age: 61	Dwelling on early Scarabs, Cooper Monaco's, Chaparral 1, Lister and Old Yeller III. But I think it is the 1959 Peerless AmBro. Last edited by Ecclesley; 18 October 12 at 18:14.

19 October 12, 15:33	#6443
Tkrau Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Central California	Reason I asked is that there used to a high-end bicycle frame company, Griffin Cycles, and the logo on that box looks VERY similar to the design on the boxes Griffin shipped their frames in...the size of the box looks right as well for a frame. Last edited by Tkrau; 19 October 12 at 21:25. Reason: clarifying statement

8 August 12, 10:09	#6401
Ecclesley Join Date: Apr 2009 Age: 61	No takers? The looks of the car should be familiar with some historic racing enthusiasts, I guess. Let me help you on the way. The name of the car is a contraption of two famous racing car brands.....

8 August 12, 13:57	#6402
Roger TT/3 Join Date: May 2003 Location: England Age: 54	I cannot find it but memory serves up a Lotus 15 fitted with some V8 muscle

8 August 12, 21:38	#6404
Geoffers Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Berks, UK Age: 56	There was one built in the US with a Ferrari engine called the Flotus, but I don't think its the car you are looking for.

9 August 12, 00:31	#6405
Tkrau Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Central California	That up there ^ what I was thinking also.

9 August 12, 13:39	#6409
Spike Join Date: Dec 2010	Ferrotus

9 August 12, 20:56	#6411
Geoffers Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Berks, UK Age: 56	OK found it, the Feratus.

10 August 12, 06:08	#6412
Ecclesley Join Date: Apr 2009 Age: 61	Feratus is correct. Geoffers is go. Stanley Leong's car from Singapore had a 2 litre Ferrari engine. The Singapore car was active in the Far East 1961-1963. It was sold to Rodney Seow in 1963 and I believe destroyed in an accident at Kuala Lumpur in 1963. The car was never very successful suffering overheating problems in tropical conditions.

10 August 12, 17:37	#6415
frapp Join Date: Nov 2006	Proto-type Homer Mobile Drugs and car design don't mix.

10 August 12, 19:49	#6416
spin_doctor Join Date: Dec 2005	It does have that Hollywood over the top feel. Seems like one of the fantasies more often associated with Barris et al.

11 August 12, 05:21	#6417
Tkrau Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Central California	With looks like that, it should've been in 'Cars.'

11 August 12, 11:18	#6418
Geoffers Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Berks, UK Age: 56	Knew you experts would know it. Ecclesley is correct.

26 August 12, 14:34	#6420
Ecclesley Join Date: Apr 2009 Age: 61	Some clue: German engine.

26 August 12, 17:03	#6421
Tkrau Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Central California	Early early Porsche 917/10 prototype?

26 August 12, 17:08	#6422
Ecclesley Join Date: Apr 2009 Age: 61	No not a 917/10 but it is a Porsche. Based on a 911 built in France backed by Porsche. Very few built.

29 August 12, 08:18	#6423
webfoot Join Date: Oct 2008	Could it be something built by Tico Martini?

29 August 12, 21:30	#6426
LeSunTzu Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Paris	With all those hints it finally rang a bell in my deficient memory: Chanabe Porsche.

10 October 12, 22:42	#6432
spin_doctor Join Date: Dec 2005	Should we move on to the next subject? No comment from the poster in 10 days suggests he may have other things on his mind ATM. We can always pick it back up when he returns. Meanwhile...

13 October 12, 10:41	#6433
Stig007 Join Date: Feb 2012	Is it a Sans Titra?

18 October 12, 22:43	#6438
Tkrau Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Central California	With that big power-bulge? There looks to be enough room to stuff a tall-stack injected Chevy in there, and I don't remember if those frames were capable of handling a heavy V8. I was thinking Cooper, but the intake is the wrong shape...assuming that is the stock intake.

19 October 12, 06:29	#6441
Tkrau Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Central California	Any idea why the Griffen box in the first pic is there?

19 October 12, 17:07	#6444
BLeeKii Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Between Gulgong & Taree,NSW & Townsville,Qld. Oz Age: 38	I could've sworn that just now I spotted one of those Griffin symbols in red & possibly facing the opposite way at the freshly released Bremgarten rF track on a billboard on the right-hand side of the track somewhere... (Main straight maybe?) Last edited by BLeeKii; 19 October 12 at 18:33. Reason: Spelling mistake

19 October 12, 21:31	#6446
Tkrau Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Central California	It looks as if someone's turned it into a 60's-style Gasser... - lifted front end, possibly due to a straight axle (this is assuming that the car is not being held up by the lift and causing the fr. suspension to sag) - headers coming out/down in the fr. wheel wells; headers could also indicate a V8 - hard to tell with the lift's tower in the way, but it looks as if the rear wheel wells may have been enlarged to fit drag slicks ...am I close?

19 October 12, 22:14	#6447
Raymond Lucardie Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The Netherlands Age: 53	It is a 1961 Maserati 3500 GT Superleggera, that once belonged to Steve McQueen. He had the original Maserati engine replaced with a Ford 5,8l V8 and different gearbox. The car was bought in 1997 by a German by the name of Gotthold Müller. Am I correct?

20 October 12, 02:13	#6449
Tkrau Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Central California	I'd like to see a bit more of the suede #76 Ford in the background...