Guess the car - Page 130

Raymond Lucardie · 20 October 12, 12:01

Well, I'm not that good at finding something rare and exclusive that is
hard to guess, but I'll give it a try.

Ecclesley · 20 October 12, 12:58

This is Maurice "Maus" Gatsonides' Gatso 1500 Sport a.k.a. "Platje" based on a Fiat.
Maurice, a Dutchman, was a racing driver and inventor, he won the Monte Carlo Rally in 1953
driving a Ford Zephyr.
He was also the man who invented the speed camera, the Gatsometer, making him instantly very impopular.
The word "Platje" is not so nice either, it is a pubic hair louse (Pthirus pubis).

Raymond Lucardie · 20 October 12, 14:17

Yes, it's Platje.

Ecclesley · 20 October 12, 16:19

How about zis one:

spin_doctor · 20 October 12, 17:58

1963 Marina Rolls-Royce

Ecclesley · 20 October 12, 19:31

The doctor made the correct diagnosis.

spin_doctor · 22 October 12, 20:27

Here you go. PC system problems delayed me.

A unique angle on a unique machine:

spin_doctor · 23 October 12, 18:06

This is one of those rare sports cars that was "going to be" but circumstances forced the maker to grow in another direction. Nearly every clue you could need is in the picture so look carefully and think about what you see. I added the sepia effect to disguise it just a bit more.

CX650 · 23 October 12, 19:01

It looks like a Cooper Norton.

Ecclesley · 23 October 12, 19:30

I think it is the Cooper T4 from 1947 with a Jowett Bradford engine.

CX650 · 23 October 12, 20:15

I suspect I've got it wrong.

renard · 23 October 12, 20:22

Hmm, not sure, it certainly look like a Cooper but I would have expected the Jowett to have a "flat" configuration engine and the Norton to be a single cylinder, the one in the photo appears to be a vertical twin. So, no idea. Sorry!

spin_doctor · 23 October 12, 20:23

@CX650: Cooper it is.

BUT,

Ecclesley identified the engine and the type T4 correctly.

The one and only Cooper T4 was the prototype. Cooper was going to build the car for the road but the choice of production engines at at time made the power to weight ratio unfavorable. Cooper decided to build open wheel formula cars instead since the demand was strong and the rest is history.

Correction: the engine is unspecified in the photo set I used. I found 2 other references to a Triumph twin being installed. I must admit my knowledge of British cycle engines is limited.

Ecclesley it is your turn.

Ecclesley · 24 October 12, 05:14

I will gladly surrender my turn to CX650, he was ever so close.

CX650 · 24 October 12, 12:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ecclesley

I will gladly surrender my turn to CX650, he was ever so close.

You were closer.

Roger · 24 October 12, 16:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by spin_doctor

Here you go. PC system problems delayed me.

A unique angle on a unique machine:

I think that may be a Norton Commando engine

spin_doctor · 24 October 12, 21:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roger

I think that may be a Norton Commando engine

The photo is at this site:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/8736453...n/photostream/

The John Potts #8 car may presently have a Norton engine but the original is listed at Cooper's site and elsewhere as using a Triumph twin in 1947.

Ecclesley · 25 October 12, 05:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by CX650

You were closer.

Okay the next one is here. Full details required.
Is it really what it looks like....................................

Ecclesley · 25 October 12, 05:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeSunTzu

It is a nice car. The first pic must be in shape for 1973+ 2L proto races with the compulsory part covering the rear wheels. It looks better without it.

Here is the next one, not very far in spce and time as you can see:

By the way this one.

LST is it the Marcadier Canam Barquette MK1?
Or the Grac MT14.
I think it is the last one.

Geoffers · 25 October 12, 07:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ecclesley

Okay the next one is here. Full details required.
Is it really what it looks like....................................

Recognise that one.
It is the 5.7l Sunbeam Rapier Chevrolet V8 of Martin Kent, built for British Special Saloon racing in the 1970s. The chassis is modified from a Gordon Keeble which Kent rolled in his first race in it & totalled the body. The chassis was saved & the Rapier body fitted as it was a similar wheelbase to the Gordon Keeble.

spin_doctor · 25 October 12, 08:47

Ecclesley

I think you have it with the GRAC MT14-B.
***************************************

The monster coupe you posted is pretending to be the last of the Humber Super Snipes. A transition vehicle from the pre-chrysler period at Sunbeam. The unofficial story goes that some bright spark figured if a V8 in the Alpine roadster went well, then a bigger one in the Rapier GT would go even better. It is alleged that an ex-Allard Chrysler Hemi 390 was tucked ever so neatly under the bonnet. Since the region normally occupied by the front suspension was completely taken up an alternative system using cables, bell cranks and hairpin valve springs was devised to fit in the remaining cavities surrounding the massive engine. The excess weight and limited under body space required the wheels to be enlarged and offset outboard. In the interest of maintaining the cabin capacity for a 2+2 configuration a similar approach had to be taken at the rear axle as well.
Unfortunately the single prototype could not be salvaged after one of the senior staff took it for a post-luncheon drinks run and lost the keys in the pub. It remains parked forlornly at the edge of a large industrial estate: a warning to those who find the afternoon eye-opener too tempting to pass by.

************************************************** ***

I suspect the challenge car you posted is actually one of those weird concoctions devised for British Super Touring...err, em, that is, I mean Thunder Saloons. While it wears the body of an Alpine Fastback GT, underneath are wheels, suspension, brakes and other mechanisms derived from a Lola or other mid-engine race chassis. The engine may be found where the rear seat once lived...Or it may be as proposed above: considerably larger than the original 1725 cc, in V8 form and located forward of the driver the as proper 2+2 touring cars should be.

Alternatively it is the last gasp ETCC racer of Sunbeam, Rootes et al, probably wearing the ubiquitous Rover/Buick alloy V8 in the usual place.

Ecclesley · 25 October 12, 14:16

Geoffers is go. It is Martin Kent's car.
A Gordon Keeble with a Chev8 and a Sunbeam Rapier body.

Geoffers · 25 October 12, 15:07

Bit older this one.

Ecclesley · 25 October 12, 18:44

The 1922 Wills Sainte Claire A68 Roadster with dicky/rumble seat.
Although Porsche never admitted it, their Carrera had a dicky seat also.

Geoffers · 25 October 12, 20:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ecclesley

The 1922 Wills Sainte Claire A68 Roadster with dicky/rumble seat.

It is indeed.

Ecclesley · 25 October 12, 21:13

Not such a pretty pic.

Double Mac · 26 October 12, 09:19

An obvious Pininfarina (check out their mid-70s Rolls-Royce Camargue and play spot ten – or possibly fewer – differences), this one’s a 1969 Mercedes-Benz 300 SEL 6.3.

Ecclesley · 26 October 12, 18:28

The Mac is back with a correct answer.
Very Camarque-ish and Fiat 130 Coupé-ish design.

Stig007 · 27 October 12, 07:18

a merc

spin_doctor · 29 October 12, 06:14

Ford liked that one so much that they made their own a few years later.

Spike · 29 October 12, 12:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by spin_doctor

Ford liked that one so much that they made their own a few years later.

My grandpa had a sedan one, It was originally silver but the paint laminated off to the pink primer in some spots

.

Double Mac · 30 October 12, 19:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ecclesley

The Mac is back with a correct answer.

Thank you, sir. Here’s my late (for which I offer a thousand pardons) but hopefully intriguing puzzle car:

GTC081.jpg

Ecclesley · 31 October 12, 05:40

Guiseppe Furmanik's 1936 Maserati 4CM 1100cc record breaker with body by Viotti of Turin to a design by an aeronautical institute.
It set a 1 mile record at 131.96 mph and also set standing start kilometre and mile records.

Double Mac · 31 October 12, 18:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ecclesley

Guiseppe Furmanik's 1936 Maserati 4CM 1100cc record breaker with body by Viotti of Turin to a design by an aeronautical institute.

Aha, that would be the imaginatively named Centro Sperimentale Aeronautico di Guidonia, I believe. Although most sources I’ve come across seem to identify the car as a 1937 4CM 1500, you obviously got the right car, Ecclesley.

Martin918RSR · 1 November 12, 19:46

Wow I can learn sooo much from this thred (first time I'm looking at it) I thought I knew about cars because the part of pretoria I live In doesn't have many car nuts to converse with

Ecclesley · 1 November 12, 20:18

Let us proceed with:

Tkrau · 1 November 12, 21:36

I think that is a Genetta (sp?) G2 kit car and I know little about them other than it had an aluminum body and rudimentary space frame, used early Porsche/VW 5-bolt wheels and, years ago, my neighbor tried to build one. I got the impression from him back then that they were approaching stupid-rare.

Ecclesley · 2 November 12, 11:59

Your thoughts are correct it is the Ginetta as described.
Tkrau is go.

Tkrau · 3 November 12, 17:22

OK, let's try this one...

...I don't think it's been used here before.

Double Mac · 3 November 12, 17:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tkrau

OK, let's try this one...

Pretty sure that’s a Panhard CD. 1964 Le Mans version, by any chance?

spin_doctor · 3 November 12, 18:10

Double Mac I think you named it: CD-Panhard LM64

http://www.autodrome.fr/cd_panhard_le_mans_64.htm

Tkrau · 3 November 12, 18:35

That's it...DM's up next.

spin_doctor · 13 November 12, 23:38

Anyone seen Double Mac???????????????

Double Mac · 14 November 12, 00:26

I’d like to thank the Doctor for the concern. I’ve been meaning to reserve the following till April Fools’ Day but who knows if I’m gonna live that long:

GTC082.jpg

My question is: what tendency do these two represent? Answer that (to my satisfaction, huh huh) and you’re good to go. Naturally, any details about the models are welcome, but in this case, less essential than the big picture, so to speak.

Tkrau · 14 November 12, 02:38

Art Deco-inspired streamlining.

Double Mac · 14 November 12, 02:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tkrau

Art Deco-inspired streamlining.

OK, but I was hoping for a little more, uhm, mean-spirited answer. Hint: this might be easier for a European to grasp.

Petrolmania · 14 November 12, 03:19

Over compensation?

Tkrau · 14 November 12, 03:28

Mean-spirited answer from the Yank...bloody USELESS attempt at aero styling by adding about a TON of extra body material to an already heavy car?

Petrolmania · 14 November 12, 04:10

Phallic symbolism? That first, that by Robert Cumberford?

spin_doctor · 14 November 12, 04:58

It was once said that Bentley made the fastest trucks. I think the photos show a similar taste in covering 2 tons of vehicle with 3 tons of hardware.

25 October 12, 08:47	#6471
spin_doctor Join Date: Dec 2005	Ecclesley I think you have it with the GRAC MT14-B. ************************************* The monster coupe you posted is pretending to be the last of the Humber Super Snipes. A transition vehicle from the pre-chrysler period at Sunbeam. The unofficial story goes that some bright spark figured if a V8 in the Alpine roadster went well, then a bigger one in the Rapier GT would go even better. It is alleged that an ex-Allard Chrysler Hemi 390 was tucked ever so neatly under the bonnet. Since the region normally occupied by the front suspension was completely taken up an alternative system using cables, bell cranks and hairpin valve springs was devised to fit in the remaining cavities surrounding the massive engine. The excess weight and limited under body space required the wheels to be enlarged and offset outboard. In the interest of maintaining the cabin capacity for a 2+2 configuration a similar approach had to be taken at the rear axle as well. Unfortunately the single prototype could not be salvaged after one of the senior staff took it for a post-luncheon drinks run and lost the keys in the pub. It remains parked forlornly at the edge of a large industrial estate: a warning to those who find the afternoon eye-opener too tempting to pass by. ********************************************** * I suspect the challenge car you posted is actually one of those weird concoctions devised for British Super Touring...err, em, that is, I mean Thunder Saloons. While it wears the body of an Alpine Fastback GT, underneath are wheels, suspension, brakes and other mechanisms derived from a Lola or other mid-engine race chassis. The engine may be found where the rear seat once lived...Or it may be as proposed above: considerably larger than the original 1725 cc, in V8 form and located forward of the driver the as proper 2+2 touring cars should be. Alternatively it is the last gasp ETCC racer of Sunbeam, Rootes et al, probably wearing the ubiquitous Rover/Buick alloy V8 in the usual place. Last edited by spin_doctor; 25 October 12 at 09:36.

2 November 12, 11:59	#6488
Ecclesley Join Date: Apr 2009 Age: 61	Your thoughts are correct it is the Ginetta as described. Tkrau is go. Last edited by Ecclesley; 2 November 12 at 14:41.

14 November 12, 04:58	#6500
spin_doctor Join Date: Dec 2005	It was once said that Bentley made the fastest trucks. I think the photos show a similar taste in covering 2 tons of vehicle with 3 tons of hardware. Last edited by spin_doctor; 14 November 12 at 11:35.

20 October 12, 12:01	#6451
Raymond Lucardie Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The Netherlands Age: 53	Well, I'm not that good at finding something rare and exclusive that is hard to guess, but I'll give it a try.

20 October 12, 12:58	#6452
Ecclesley Join Date: Apr 2009 Age: 61	This is Maurice "Maus" Gatsonides' Gatso 1500 Sport a.k.a. "Platje" based on a Fiat. Maurice, a Dutchman, was a racing driver and inventor, he won the Monte Carlo Rally in 1953 driving a Ford Zephyr. He was also the man who invented the speed camera, the Gatsometer, making him instantly very impopular. The word "Platje" is not so nice either, it is a pubic hair louse (Pthirus pubis).

20 October 12, 14:17	#6453
Raymond Lucardie Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The Netherlands Age: 53	Yes, it's Platje.

20 October 12, 19:31	#6456
Ecclesley Join Date: Apr 2009 Age: 61	The doctor made the correct diagnosis.

23 October 12, 18:06	#6458
spin_doctor Join Date: Dec 2005	This is one of those rare sports cars that was "going to be" but circumstances forced the maker to grow in another direction. Nearly every clue you could need is in the picture so look carefully and think about what you see. I added the sepia effect to disguise it just a bit more.

23 October 12, 20:15	#6461
CX650 Grumpy old Git Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Dorset UK	I suspect I've got it wrong.

23 October 12, 20:22	#6462
renard Hippy Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Twincylvania Age: 48	Hmm, not sure, it certainly look like a Cooper but I would have expected the Jowett to have a "flat" configuration engine and the Norton to be a single cylinder, the one in the photo appears to be a vertical twin. So, no idea. Sorry!

24 October 12, 05:14	#6464
Ecclesley Join Date: Apr 2009 Age: 61	I will gladly surrender my turn to CX650, he was ever so close.

25 October 12, 14:16	#6472
Ecclesley Join Date: Apr 2009 Age: 61	Geoffers is go. It is Martin Kent's car. A Gordon Keeble with a Chev8 and a Sunbeam Rapier body.

26 October 12, 09:19	#6477
Double Mac Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Poland Age: 39	An obvious Pininfarina (check out their mid-70s Rolls-Royce Camargue and play spot ten – or possibly fewer – differences), this one’s a 1969 Mercedes-Benz 300 SEL 6.3.

27 October 12, 07:18	#6479
Stig007 Join Date: Feb 2012	a merc

31 October 12, 05:40	#6483
Ecclesley Join Date: Apr 2009 Age: 61	Guiseppe Furmanik's 1936 Maserati 4CM 1100cc record breaker with body by Viotti of Turin to a design by an aeronautical institute. It set a 1 mile record at 131.96 mph and also set standing start kilometre and mile records.

1 November 12, 19:46	#6485
Martin918RSR the RSR strikes back Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: South Africa (PTA) Age: 19	Wow I can learn sooo much from this thred (first time I'm looking at it) I thought I knew about cars because the part of pretoria I live In doesn't have many car nuts to converse with

1 November 12, 21:36	#6487
Tkrau Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Central California	I think that is a Genetta (sp?) G2 kit car and I know little about them other than it had an aluminum body and rudimentary space frame, used early Porsche/VW 5-bolt wheels and, years ago, my neighbor tried to build one. I got the impression from him back then that they were approaching stupid-rare.

3 November 12, 17:22	#6489
Tkrau Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Central California	OK, let's try this one... ...I don't think it's been used here before.

3 November 12, 18:10	#6491
spin_doctor Join Date: Dec 2005	Double Mac I think you named it: CD-Panhard LM64 http://www.autodrome.fr/cd_panhard_le_mans_64.htm

3 November 12, 18:35	#6492
Tkrau Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Central California	That's it...DM's up next.

13 November 12, 23:38	#6493
spin_doctor Join Date: Dec 2005	Anyone seen Double Mac???????????????

14 November 12, 00:26	#6494
Double Mac Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Poland Age: 39	I’d like to thank the Doctor for the concern. I’ve been meaning to reserve the following till April Fools’ Day but who knows if I’m gonna live that long: GTC082.jpg My question is: what tendency do these two represent? Answer that (to my satisfaction, huh huh) and you’re good to go. Naturally, any details about the models are welcome, but in this case, less essential than the big picture, so to speak.

14 November 12, 02:38	#6495
Tkrau Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Central California	Art Deco-inspired streamlining.

14 November 12, 03:19	#6497
Petrolmania Easily Distracted Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Anarkist Garage, Cyberspace. Age: 49	Over compensation?

14 November 12, 03:28	#6498
Tkrau Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Central California	Mean-spirited answer from the Yank...bloody USELESS attempt at aero styling by adding about a TON of extra body material to an already heavy car?

14 November 12, 04:10	#6499
Petrolmania Easily Distracted Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Anarkist Garage, Cyberspace. Age: 49	Phallic symbolism? That first, that by Robert Cumberford?