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Cool MotoGP 2017

And the 2017 season is underway.

For those that are casual followers of these series, here's some pointers to the biggest changes in the rules for 2017, just in case you've missed this and get confused once the season starts:
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  • The use of aerodinamic winglets (the "wings" seen last year) are banned for 2017.
    It is no longer permitted to add any device or shape to the fairing or bodywork that is not integrated in the body streamlining (e.g. wings, fins, bulges, etc) that may provide an aerodynamic effect (e.g., providing downforce, disrupting aerodinamic wake, etc).
    No doubt, manufacturers will be trying to go around these rules, so we may see intricate and clever fairing designs with covered winglets.


  • The intermediate tyres will no longer be used.
    They added little or no value over soft slicks or hard wets. The loss of the intermediate tyres is to be compensated by an extra tyre choice for both front and rear slicks. This will most likely be a soft compound slick, to fill the void left by the loss of intermediates.
    Though the total tyre allocation is not to be increased, the riders will now have three front compounds (plus an option tyre), and three rear compounds (plus an option tyre), to choose from.


  • The riders must now inform MotoGP medical staff if they pick up an injury outside of MotoGP events.
    For example, a rider breaking a bone or suffering a concussion in a training accident will have to inform MotoGP medical staff, and submit themselves for medical examination before being passed fit to race.
For 2017, the Austrian colossus KTM joins the fight between manufacturers, against the feud of the Japanese (Honda, Yamaha and Suzuki) and the constant threat of the Italians (Ducati and Aprilia).
As for the riders, at the end of the past year there were some major swaps in the official teams of manufacturers. From those, the most proeminent are as follows: Jorge Lorenzo is now riding for Ducati, Maverick Vinales for Yamaha, Andrea Iannone for Suzuki, and Aleix Espargaro for Aprilia. His brother Pol Espargaro will be riding for KTM, as will Bradley Smith.
New riders from other classes are in for the 2017 MotoGP championship. Coming from Moto2, Johann Zarco (Moto2 champ) and Jonas Folger are racing for the Yamaha satelite team (Tech3), Alex Rins is riding for Suzuki, and Sam Lowes is riding for Aprilia. Back from WSBK, Karel Abraham will ride an older 2015 Ducati for a satelite team (Aspar).


The first official MotoGP test of 2017 took place this week at Sepang, in Malaysia.
This is an extremely important test, where the final teams and riders line-ups are present, as well as factory test riders, and also the new bikes for the upcoming season.



The final day of testing was today (Wednesday, 1st of February 2017), from 10:00am to 6:00pm.

A brief rain shower arrived at 2:30pm - sunshine soon returned, but the slow-drying track meant riders were reluctant to venture back out.
However, the final hour and a half saw a flurry of activity and new personal best lap times.
Day 2 leader Andrea Iannone lost the front of his Suzuki at Turn 1 early in the day, then later at Turn 15. Pol Espargaro, Hector Barbera and Aleix Espargaro also fell, without harm.
Tito Rabat was absent due to injuries in a Tuesday highside, but day one pace setter Casey Stoner was back on track for Ducati.
Vinales and team-mate Valentino Rossi spent substantial time with the new Yamaha fairing, which features covered winglets on either side.

These are the final times of the test:
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2017 Sepang MotoGP test - Wednesday Final Times:

1. Maverick Viņales - Movistar Yamaha MotoGP (YZR-M1) - 1m 59.368s [72 Laps]
2. Marc Marquez - Repsol Honda Team (RC213V) - 1m 59.506s [85 Laps]
3. Andrea Dovizioso - Ducati Team (Desmosedici GP17) - 1m 59.553s [56 Laps]
4. Dani Pedrosa - Repsol Honda Team (RC213V) - 1m 59.578s [67 Laps]
5. Valentino Rossi - Movistar Yamaha MotoGP (YZR-M1) - 1m 59.589s [62 Laps]
6. Alvaro Bautista - Aspar MotoGP Team (Desmosedici GP16) - 1m 59.628s [64 Laps]
7. Casey Stoner - Ducati Test Rider (Desmosedici GP17) - 1m 59.639s [46 Laps]
8. Cal Crutchlow - LCR Honda (RC213V) - 1m 59.728s [71 Laps]
9. Jorge Lorenzo - Ducati Team (Desmosedici GP17) - 1m 59.767s [66 Laps]
10. Johann Zarco - Monster Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1) - 1m 59.772s [45 Laps]
11. Andrea Iannone - Team Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR) - 2m 0.045s [49 Laps]
12. Alex Rins - Team Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR) - 2m 0.057s [60 Laps]
13. Aleix Espargaro - Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP) - 2m 0.108s [53 Laps]
14. Danilo Petrucci - Octo Pramac Yakhnich (Desmosedici GP17) - 2m 0.310s [53 Laps]
15. Jonas Folger - Monster Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1) - 2m 0.312s [54 Laps]
16. Jack Miller - Estrella Galicia Marc VDS (RC213V) - 2m 0.439s [70 Laps]
17. Karel Abraham - Aspar MotoGP Team (Desmosedici GP15) - 2m 0.445s [38 Laps]
18. Hector Barbera - Avintia Racing (Desmosedici GP16) - 2m 0.537s [50 Laps]
19. Scott Redding - Octo Pramac Yakhnich (Desmosedici GP16) - 2m 0.645s [74 Laps]
20. Loris Baz - Avintia Racing (Desmosedici GP15) - 2m 0.873s [58 Laps]
21. Bradley Smith - Red Bull KTM Factory Racing (RC16) - 2m 1.338s [62 Laps]
22. Sam Lowes - Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP) - 2m 1.341s [43 Laps]
23. Pol Espargaro - Red Bull KTM Factory Racing (RC16) - 2m 1.506s [67 Laps]
24. Katsuyuki Nakasuga - Yamaha Test Rider (YZR-M1) - 2m 1.658s [30 Laps]
25. Takuya Tsuda - Suzuki Test Rider (GSX-RR) - 2m 2.769s [68 Laps]


Official Sepang MotoGP records:
Best lap: Dani Pedrosa (Honda RCV) - 1m 59.053s (2015)
Fastest race lap: Jorge Lorenzo (Yamaha M1) - 2m 0.606s (2015)

Unofficial Sepang MotoGP record:
Marc Marquez (Honda RCV) - 1m 58.867s (2015 testing)

Mat Oxley wrote a great resume of this pre-season test at Sepang on the Motor Sport Magazine website:

http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/opinion/motogp/it-s-vinales-versus-marquez

Strongly recommended read, also because it will put you at speed in regards to the work in backstages, the riders, the teams, the bikes, and what went on during the test.

The next official test will take place at Phillip Island, Australia from February 15-17.


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Thanks Duc

Moto will be as exciting as ever
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Thanks Duc - great link
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Many thanks for the great info, I saw day one of the Valencia test and was so impressed with Vinales. going to be an awesome year. Glad to see that back of the wings, interesting to see the enclosed systems.
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There's now a thorough analysis (in parts) of all things related with the first official MotoGP test of 2017 at Sepang this past week, by well reknown journalist David Emmett:

...not sure there'll be a third part, but there's that probability.
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0.4 spread top ten
1 second for 16

Take Note Formula 1 !@!


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There's now a thorough analysis (in parts) of all things related with the first official MotoGP test of 2017 at Sepang this past week, by well reknown journalist David Emmett:

...not sure there'll be a third part, but there's that probability.
Excellent links cheers Duc

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0.4 spread top ten
1 second for 16

Take Note Formula 1 !@!


lol
Indeed, I'm really excited for this years fight for the title! Fingers crossed everyone stays fit and healthy.
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Today was the first day of MotoGP testing in Phillip Island, Australia.

Marquez set the fastest time in the afternoon and finished the day pleased with his progress despite admitting that they still had a lot of work to do as they continue to modify the electronics of his Repsol Honda to suit both circuit and the radically new 2017-spec big bang engine.

Rossi was second with a late fast lap, finishing only 0.186 behind Marquez and well clear of Andrea Iannone in third, with teammate Maverick Viņales fourth as the pair worked through a series of back-to-back tests on both their new and old specification Movistar Yamaha machines.

Cal Crutchlow was a strong fifth as he continues to help the factory Honda duo develop the new engine on his LCR machine, with Danilo Petrucci, Dani Pedrosa and Andrea Dovizioso rounding out the top ten.

Sam Lowes headed the fallers with two crashes, admitting that inexperience combined with gusting winds caught him out during the first crash, falling at the same time as Scott Redding and Alvaro Bautista, with Hector Barbera and Pol Espargarķ also fallers.

Day 1 test results as follows:



(source: http://www.motorcyclenews.com/sport/...hillip-island/)
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Default Second day of the second official MotoGP pre-season test in Phillip Island.

Maverick Vinales made a blistering start, posting several laps in the 1m 28s during the opening hour. That kept the Movistar Yamaha rider on top for the remainder of the day.

Vinales came within a fraction of beating his earlier time in the closing minutes of the test.

Dani Pedrosa didn't appear on track until 3pm due to a throat infection, while Aprilia and then Suzuki gave a public debut to their new 'winglet fairings'.

CLICK HERE to see the Suzuki fairing.
CLICK HERE to see the Aprilia fairing.

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P.Island test - Day 2 - laptimes:

1 VIŅALES, Maverick 1:28.847
2 MARQUEZ, Marc 1:29.309
3 CRUTCHLOW, Cal 1:29.325
4 BAUTISTA, Alvaro 1:29.411
5 DOVIZIOSO, Andrea 1:29.483
6 ESPARGARO, Aleix 1:29.501
7 FOLGER, Jonas 1:29.664
8 ROSSI, Valentino 1:29.674
9 RINS, Alex 1:29.802
10 MILLER, Jack 1:29.838
11 ZARCO, Johann 1:29.880
12 IANNONE, Andrea 1:29.947
13 ABRAHAM, Karel 1:30.142
14 PETRUCCI, Danilo 1:30.150
15 LORENZO, Jorge 1:30.197
16 PEDROSA, Dani 1:30.245
17 BARBERA, Hector 1:30.352
18 REDDING, Scott 1:30.435
19 ESPARGARO, Pol 1:30.645
20 BAZ, Loris 1:30.852
21 LOWES, Sam 1:30.895
22 SMITH, Bradley 1:31.704

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Default The rivalry heats up between Vinales and Marquez.

The second official MotoGP pre-season test in Phillip Island has ended.

Maverick Vinales beat his own previous best lap of the week in the opening hour of the final day, which proved enough to keep him on top by 0.295s from reigning champion Marc Marquez.

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On the final day of the second pre-season test in Australia, Vinales was annoyed to find Marquez join the track behind him during a race simulation. With Marquez sticking with him, Vinales felt forced to abandon the run to avoid giving away too much information. Asked if he thought Marquez was trying to get in his head, Vinales made clear the incident only motivated him to push even harder.

Maverick Vinales (Yamaha M1) thus continued his perfect run of being fastest overall in every test since joining Yamaha: Valencia, Sepang Private, Sepang Official and now Phillip Island.

Marc Marquez (Honda RCV) completed a staggering ammount of laps. Determined to attain a strong base set-up for the first race of the year, and 2nd fastest, he was content with the test. His team-mate Dani Pedrosa was 3rd fastest.

While new team-mate Maverick Vinales once again ruled the timesheets, Valentino Rossi (Yamaha M1) left the Phillip Island MotoGP test 'not very happy' (was 12th). The nine-time world champion didn't do a long run, or push on new tyres, making his pace harder to pinpoint.

Jorge Lorenzo (Ducati GP17) may have worn a grimace through most of the morning and afternoon, but he was content with his overall performance on the final day of MotoGP testing at Phillip Island, after posting the 8th fastest time of the test. His team-mate Andrea Dovizioso was 7th.

Andrea Iannone (Suzuki GSX-RR) was upbeat, despite placing outside the top ten (was 13th) at the MotoGP test at Phillip Island. He resisted the urge to chase a fast lap with a new tyre on the final day, as he continued to work on the Suzuki GSX-RR's late-race ability. His team-mate Alex Rins was 6th.

Aleix Espargaro (Aprilia RS-GP) said to be surprised with the progress of the Aprilia as he pushed to the 10th fastest laptime. Taking plenty of confidence from the front end of the Aprilia, says he is yet to find the limit in corner entry. His team-mate Sam Lowes was 22nd.

Bradley Smith (KTM RC16) confessed to being concerned by the time it took to find a base set-up for the machine at a brand new circuit, a situation KTM will face during its first full MotoGP season. Smith was 19th, and his team-mate Pol Espargaro was 17th.

The surprise of this test was Jonas Folger (Yamaha M1). As if 7th at the end of the second day of testing at Phillip Island hadn't been enough, at the end of the test the rookie was 4th overall, and fastest rider on a satellite bike. His team-mate Johan Zarco was 15th.

All riders, with the exception of Karel Abraham, set their best lap time of the test in the third and final day of testing in Australia.
Tito Rabat was absent due to injury, but the rest of the 2017 grid were present.

The final pre-season test will be held in Qatar from March 10-12.

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The combined best lap times over all three days of this week's Phillip Island MotoGP test are as follows:
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2017 Phillip Island MotoGP test - combined times:

1. Maverick Viņales ESP Movistar Yamaha MotoGP (YZR-M1) 1m 28.549s [Day 3]
2. Marc Marquez ESP Repsol Honda Team (RC213V) 1m 28.843s +0.294s [Day 3]
3. Dani Pedrosa ESP Repsol Honda Team (RC213V) 1m 29.033s +0.484s [Day 3]
4. Jonas Folger GER Monster Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1)* 1m 29.042s +0.493s [Day 3]
5. Cal Crutchlow GBR LCR Honda (RC213V) 1m 29.101s +0.552s [Day 3]
6. Alex Rins ESP Team Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR)* 1m 29.103s +0.554s [Day 3]
7. Andrea Dovizioso ITA Ducati Team (Desmosedici GP17) 1m 29.248s +0.699s [Day 3]
8. Jorge Lorenzo ESP Ducati Team (Desmosedici GP17) 1m 29.342s +0.793s [Day 3]
9. Jack Miller AUS Estrella Galicia 0,0 Marc VDS (RC213V) 1m 29.358s +0.809s [Day 3]
10. Aleix Espargaro ESP Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP) 1m 29.361s +0.812s [Day 3]
11. Alvaro Bautista ESP Aspar MotoGP Team (Desmosedici GP16) 1m 29.411s +0.862s [Day 2]
12. Valentino Rossi ITA Movistar Yamaha MotoGP (YZR-M1) 1m 29.470s +0.921s [Day 3]
13. Andrea Iannone ITA Team Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR) 1m 29.547s +0.998s [Day 3]
14. Danilo Petrucci ITA Octo Pramac Racing (Desmosedici GP17) 1m 29.615s +1.066s [Day 3]
15. Johann Zarco FRA Monster Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1)* 1m 29.670s +1.121s [Day 3]
16. Hector Barbera ESP Avintia Racing (Desmosedici GP16) 1m 29.791s +1.242s [Day 3]
17. Pol Espargaro ESP Red Bull KTM Factory Racing (RC16) 1m 29.857s +1.308s [Day 3]
18. Loris Baz FRA Avintia Racing (Desmosedici GP15) 1m 29.977s +1.428s [Day 3]
19. Bradley Smith GBR Red Bull KTM Factory Racing (RC16) 1m 29.978s +1.429s [Day 3]
20. Scott Redding GBR Octo Pramac Racing (Desmosedici GP16) 1m 30.005s +1.456s [Day 3]
21. Karel Abraham CZE Aspar MotoGP Team (Desmosedici GP15) 1m 30.142s +1.593s [Day 2]
22. Sam Lowes GBR Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP)* 1m 30.200s +1.651s [Day 3]

Fastest Day 3 time: Maverick Vinales SPA Yamaha 1m 28.549s
Fastest Day 2 time: Maverick Vinales SPA Yamaha 1m 28.847s
Fastest Day 1 time: Marc Marquez SPA Honda 1m 29.497s


Official Phillip Island MotoGP records:

Best lap: Jorge Lorenzo SPA Yamaha 1m 27.899s (2013)
Fastest race lap: Marc Marquez SPA Honda 1m 28.108s (2013)

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cheers for the info duc!
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Just a little of musical GP orchestra to warm up our hears and hearts.

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Brilliant vid duc cheers. I was wondering how the equivalent "electric bike" vid would be like Dogs would be howling all over the place.
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Ha! - you don't jest.......

The other night I thought I would watch a bit of formula E.............not a chance, the dogs were up and restless, barking at the TV.
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I notice they have spectators for Moto GP testing at Sepang . I'm sure Phillip Island is closed for spectators while Moto GP are testing there.

PS. I cant watch cars race on forklift tyres either . I wonder if all other teams forfeit now Audi is showing up . I imagine it will be like a Greyhound entering a Jack Russel race .
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Today was the second night of the 2017 Qatar MotoGP test (which is the final pre-season test event).
The third and final night of pre-season testing will begin at 4pm on Sunday, March 12th.

Fast laptimes and very radical aero-fairings have been the talking points in this second day of testing.

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The first talking point is the track action and laptimes.

It officially began at 4pm, and concluded at 11pm, although most riders again waited until sunset (6pm) before heading out on track.

Two of those that did ride in the daylight, Jorge Lorenzo and Bradley Smith, soon beat their best Friday times.

But Lorenzo then suffered his first fall as a Ducati rider, the accident coinciding with spots of rain. Fortunately the Spaniard was not injured and, after a short delay, conditions improved and riders returned to the circuit.

World champion Marc Marquez went to the top of the timesheets soon after, remaining in charge until Vinales - fastest in every previous test since joining Yamaha in November - broke the 1m 55s barrier.

Vinales then surged 0.741s clear of the field shortly after 9pm, the start time for the season-opening race on March 26, before his advantage was cut back by impressive Tech 3 rookie Jonas Folger, and then his own team-mate Valentino Rossi (+0.277s).

The risk of dew after 10pm again meant the frantic track action was followed by a much quieter final hour.

Valentino Rossi, Alvaro Bautista, Aleix Espargaro, Danilo Petrucci, Bradley Smith, Jack Miller and Cal Crutchlow joined Lorenzo in falling without harm this evening.


Day 2 test results are as follows:



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The second talking point of the day was the radical aero-fairing presented, this time, by Ducati.

Expected to follow a similar route to that of Yamaha, who skirted new rules banning winglets by incorporating them into a ‘second skin’ fairing, Ducati instead have went for a radically different approach, using an extreme version of the concept first tested by Suzuki last month in Phillip Island.

While winglets were banned at the end of the 2016 season, it was widely acknowledged that the aerodynamic genie was firmly out of the bottle, and with Ducati Corse boss Gigi Dall’Igna a big believer in the concept, their new concept was always expected to be very radical.

The radical new look was seen at the track in the hands of yesterday’s fastest man Andrea Dovizioso.
New signing and former world champion Jorge Lorenzo has yet to test the new fairing, but with a full day of testing left before the first round in two weeks’ time at the Losail circuit, there’s plenty of time yet for him to trial it.



(sources: www.gpone.com ; www.motorcyclenews.com ; www.crash.net)

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Winglets looked bad but that ..that ... thing ! is appalling !

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With each testing event, they all sure look more and more weird, that's for sure.
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With each testing event, they all sure look more and more weird, that's for sure.
Wonder what effects they would have on this...... lol




You be a brave man to test it @IOM
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They need a rewrite of the rules - this wasn't intended.

Once the genie is out of the bottle the teams don't want to give it up (look at F1) - I would have thought they could define opening sizes at the front of the bike as cooling or engine air-intake only and controls size by inlet area and radiator area. They could also define some surfaces as mandatory convex shapes.
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It does look like it, doesn't it, Roger?

I too think they (Dorna) didn't imagine this would happen, perhaps being too naive when they brought these rules changes. Can almost hear them saying something like "oh no, what have we done?" lol

I hope this doesn't escalate to silly proportions (even more), because it's always a race where it's more about who can outspend opposition faster in the expensive wars of rules exploitation.
Meaning, if it does escalate, then at some point it may end up being dominated by the usual suspect.

It's said that Honda is supposedly hiding something. They've been conservative untill now in these tests, even if they are testing new engines with different firing order (previously 'screamer', now 'big bang').
Ducati has the Audi group behind them, but Honda has vast F1 experience and considered to have far more resources and tech than every other manufacturer in this category.

At least the manufacturers are restricted to two designs, one "regular" (without aero features), and another with these aerodynamic features.
With that said, I'm not sure if they have to have "final designs" in the fairings before first race, or if they can keep developping the designs per-race and throughout the season.
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Default Qatar MotoGP test times - Sunday (Final)

The third and last official MotoGP pre-season test has ended.

Andrea Dovizioso led the opening night, with Maverick Vinales quickest on Saturday and Sunday.

The season-opening race takes place at the same Losail circuit on March 26.

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Testing began at 4pm, but it took until 5:30pm, just before sunset, for the first riders to appear on track. It concluded at 11pm.

Jorge Lorenzo set the pace for several hours, before Vinales reasserted his authority. However his rivals kept up the pressure with Andrea Dovizioso getting within 0.071s, Dani Pedrosa 0.139s and Lorenzo 0.189s of the #25.

It is believed that world champion Marc Marquez fell three times this evening, with two falls for Aleix Espargaro, plus individual incidents for Petrucci, Lowes, Iannone and Bautista.

Maverick Vinales has completed a perfect pre-season by leading every test session since joining Yamaha in November.
The young Spaniard confirmed the accolade by retaining the top spot on the final night in Qatar.


The combined best lap times over all three days of this week's Qatar MotoGP test are as follows:


(source: www.crash.net)

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oh god that Ducati looks awful Aero ruined F1 and I fear without strong leadership the same could befall MGP...that would be a travesty.


hehe, I slag off aero the day I change my avatar to a H2R!!
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cars have much bigger wings and don't lean to turn , I can't really see fairing aero or small wings doing too much for bikes except add drag .....

Unless they start adding flip out wings for extra air braking .
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I think the objectives here are (so far) very different.
In a MotoGP motorcycle, and per design, aero can't be as radical as in F1 (or even GTs).

I don't think we'll see more than 15% of total wet weight in the aero downforce of MotoGP bikes, whereas in cars (like F1) I suspect you could easily see today over 100% (and even more) of the vehicles weight in aero downforce (enough to make it go upside-down), if desired.

From what I've red, for MotoGP it's about forcing the front end to cope with the braking, acceleration AND the transitional moment between these two moments/actions.

For example, the aero stuff seems the most important for Ducati.
After all these years and different versions of the bike, it still has front end problems in middle of corner (f.ex, in that transitional moment from braking to acceleration) and also when going out of corner, in acceleration (like understeer). Not to mention the lack of feel so many riders complained about.
They've always used a crazy ammount of electronics (most perceptible to ear, from memory) to deal with it. That and odd setups to mask the problem (remember Rossi's 2011 bike looking like a chopper?).

So, not just for Ducati, for all manufacturers, think of this aero-fairings stuff (and before it, the short ugly wings) as a new method to gain better front end-feel while cornering and, sametime, enough to enable a reduction of the ammount of electronics (less wheelie control in aceleration), for slightly better outright performance.

Of course, something is lost, and that is top-speed.
Aprilia is the weakest in engine horsepower, so they'll probably use their aero-fairing less frequently.
Ducati is by far the fastest in a straight line, with the biggest ammount of power (well over 270HP, it is rumoured), so they won't loose much with the aero-fairings.

Personally, I admire the technical prowess of the manufacturers but, at same time, I think some important (traditional?) boundaries are being crossed, and I can't see them being all that positive.
A bit like it was with the electronics (rider aids) in the last decade.
Safer, faster, better? ....maybe, but part of the charm and "romanticism" is kind of lost.

BTW, here's the aero-ugly suspects for this year (so far):


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I just wish FIA and Dorna would put a clause in the tech doc that they can veto "fugly"
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The 2017 MotoGP season first round is coming this weekend, as usual, in Qatar, in the Losail circuit.

Rain has made an appearance, and some MotoGP riders were more concerned about a lack of grip in the wet - due to sand blown onto the circuit - than visibility problems from floodlights reflecting off the rain and spray.


Maverick Vinales leads the first practice session of the 2017 season, in Qatar on Thursday, beating his best lap in the recent test.

Repsol Honda team-mates Marc Marquez and Dani Pedrosa were the only riders within one-second of Vinales.

There were falls for Sam Lowes, Jack Miller and Karel Abraham while Cal Crutchlow was forced to pull off track early on due to smoke from the engine of his LCR Honda.

Track conditions have remained dry, but an extra MotoGP session will be added to the end of Thursday's schedule if it rains in the next two hours.


If the rain stays away, the MotoGP riders will be back on track for FP2 and FP3 on Friday...

Lap times of first practice session are as follows:

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1. Maverick Viņales ESP Movistar Yamaha MotoGP (YZR-M1) 1m 54.316s [Lap 17/18] 335km/h (Top Speed)
2. Marc Marquez ESP Repsol Honda Team (RC213V) 1m 54.912s +0.596s [17/18] 338km/h
3. Dani Pedrosa ESP Repsol Honda Team (RC213V) 1m 55.210s +0.894s [15/16] 338km/h
4. Jonas Folger GER Monster Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1)* 1m 55.587s +1.271s [15/15] 333km/h
5. Jorge Lorenzo ESP Ducati Team (Desmosedici GP17) 1m 55.607s +1.291s [15/17] 343km/h
6. Loris Baz FRA Reale Avintia Racing (Desmosedici GP15) 1m 55.624s +1.308s [16/16] 334km/h
7. Cal Crutchlow GBR LCR Honda (RC213V) 1m 55.639s +1.323s [15/15] 334km/h
8. Johann Zarco FRA Monster Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1)* 1m 55.792s +1.476s [17/18] 334km/h
9. Valentino Rossi ITA Movistar Yamaha MotoGP (YZR-M1) 1m 55.799s +1.483s [18/18] 340km/h
10. Aleix Espargaro ESP Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP) 1m 55.872s +1.556s [14/15] 332km/h
11. Andrea Dovizioso ITA Ducati Team (Desmosedici GP17) 1m 55.873s +1.557s [5/17] 343km/h
12. Scott Redding GBR Octo Pramac Racing (Desmosedici GP16) 1m 56.000s +1.684s [16/16] 340km/h
13. Andrea Iannone ITA Team Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR) 1m 56.027s +1.711s [16/17] 335km/h
14. Alvaro Bautista ESP Aspar MotoGP Team (Desmosedici GP16) 1m 56.128s +1.812s [17/19] 344km/h
15. Karel Abraham CZE Aspar MotoGP Team (Desmosedici GP15) 1m 56.399s +2.083s [14/14] 338km/h
16. Danilo Petrucci ITA Octo Pramac Racing (Desmosedici GP17) 1m 56.419s +2.103s [8/15] 342km/h
17. Jack Miller AUS Estrella Galicia 0,0 Marc VDS (RC213V) 1m 56.453s +2.137s [10/16] 335km/h
18. Alex Rins ESP Team Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR)* 1m 56.502s +2.186s [15/16] 335km/h
19. Tito Rabat ESP Estrella Galicia 0,0 Marc VDS (RC213V) 1m 56.725s +2.409s [17/18] 336km/h
20. Hector Barbera ESP Reale Avintia Racing (Desmosedici GP16) 1m 56.725s +2.409s [13/14] 342km/h
21. Pol Espargaro ESP Red Bull KTM Factory Racing (RC16) 1m 57.630s +3.314s [11/16] 335km/h
22. Sam Lowes GBR Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP)* 1m 57.887s +3.571s [12/14] 331km/h
23. Bradley Smith GBR Red Bull KTM Factory Racing (RC16) 1m 58.114s +3.798s [17/17] 333km/h
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Grid places were decided by combined free practice times, after standing water forced the qualifying to be cancelled. Sunday's warm-up will be extended by 10mins but otherwise the race day schedule is unchanged.

Heavy rain fell during the day at the Qatari track which, combined with heavy overnight rain, saw the track’s drainage systems completely swamped by water, and despite the best efforts of track workers to clear standing water, it was eventually decided that it remained too dangerous to take to the track.

Instead, the grid for tomorrow’s race will now go on combined free practice times, with Vinales, who has dominated not only all weekend but in last week’s test as well, start the race both from pole position and as favourite.

He’s joined on the front row of the grid by Andrea Iannone and Marc Marquez, with the Suzuki rider one of the major winners after a fast lap late on yesterday launched him to second from mid-pack obscurity.

Johann Zarco, starting his first MotoGP race from the front of the second row, was also a winner, ahead of Andrea Dovizioso and Scott Redding, another major beneficiary of the change.

Dani Pedrosa heads the third row from the second Monster Yamaha rookie Jonas Folger and Cal Crutchlow, while Valentino Rossi will be forced back to row four alongside Danilo Petrucci and Jorge Lorenzo.


The riders will line up in the grid for tomorrow's race as follows:
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1. Maverick Vinales ESP Movistar Yamaha MotoGP (YZR-M1)
2. Andrea Iannone ITA Team Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR)
3. Marc Marquez ESP Repsol Honda Team (RC213V)

4. Johann Zarco FRA Monster Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1)*
5. Andrea Dovizioso ITA Ducati Team (Desmosedici GP17)
6. Scott Redding GBR Octo Pramac Racing (Desmosedici GP16)

7. Dani Pedrosa ESP Repsol Honda Team (RC213V)
8. Jonas Folger GER Monster Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1)*
9. Cal Crutchlow GBR LCR Honda (RC213V)

10. Valentino Rossi ITA Movistar Yamaha MotoGP (YZR-M1)
11. Danilo Petrucci ITA Octo Pramac Racing (Desmosedici GP17)
12. Jorge Lorenzo ESP Ducati Team (Desmosedici GP17)

13. Alvaro Bautista ESP Aspar MotoGP Team (Desmosedici GP16)
14. Loris Baz FRA Reale Avintia Racing (Desmosedici GP15)
15. Aleix Espargaro ESP Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP)

16. Jack Miller AUS Estrella Galicia 0,0 Marc VDS (RC213V)
17. Karel Abraham CZE Aspar MotoGP Team (Desmosedici GP15)
18. Alex Rins ESP Team Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR)*

19. Tito Rabat ESP Estrella Galicia 0,0 Marc VDS (RC213V)
20. Hector Barbera ESP Reale Avintia Racing (Desmosedici GP16)
21. Sam Lowes GBR Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP)*

22. Pol Espargaro ESP Red Bull KTM Factory Racing (RC16)
23. Bradley Smith GBR Red Bull KTM Factory Racing (RC16)
Tomorrow's events time schedule is expected to be as follows:


MOTOGP GRAND PRIX OF QATAR

Sunday, 26.03.2017

08:40 - 09:00 (GMT) ---- Moto3 Warm Up (20 min.)
09:10 - 09:30 (GMT) ---- Moto2 Warm Up (20 min.)
09:40 - 10:00 (GMT) ---- MotoGP Warm Up (20 min.)

11:00 (GMT) ---- Moto3 Race
12:15 (GMT) ---- Moto2 Race
14:00 (GMT) ---- MotoGP Race

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Thanks


Valentino 340kph is that tow or gearing ?

5/6 kph on other Yamis
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LOL can't believe it rained in the desert...or the fact that there is insufficient drainage.

Top race though, good result shame about the fallers.
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WOW....what an incident packed race!!
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Zarco has been looking strong - to be honest I never saw that coming (didn't look hard enough ). Future works ride?

I was hoping Suzuki would be better this year - it's looking like last year's good run of form could have been more down to Vinales than the bike.
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Yes, agreed in both accounts.

After the first three rounds, I take the following impressions:

- Zarco is going to be rookie of the year, for sure.
Rides with a level of maturity, and seems so "hungry" and bold on the bike, in ways I would only envision in a veteran MotoGP rider (it's his first year in the premier class). Future works rider, yep.

- Vinales proves the "alien" status. As good as the best.
The Yamaha M1 seems the most balanced, easiest bike to ride, and he gets the best of it, every single time. This slip (DNF) in the US GP may cost him later in the season though.

- Rossi is the old guy getting close to retirement (for a number of years now).
Thing is, Rossi is Rossi. He's leading the championship and that long experience will count for a lot during this particular time.

- Lorenzo on the Ducati is a huge let down.
His riding style is the opposite of what that nasty bike requires. It's looking worse than the two freakish years Rossi had with them. Lorenzo always had bitter tendencies and ambitions, and I think he'll regret this move for the rest of his career.

- Marquez will be the unbalancing factor between Vinales and Rossi.
If things keep up competitive like this, it'll be a bloody battle for the tittle between these three.

- Michelin tyres still not at level of the Bridgestones.
It's amazing how an old experienced giant manufacturer of tyres can look so unexperienced even after a full year as exclusive tyre supplier.
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Lorenzo is a good reminder that Dovi is better than he gets credit for.

P.S. - as a Brit I should add - Crutchlow is a legend

The Michelins seem odd, some funny front end crashes from guys who are really too good to be doing that.

I'm sure there isn't a link to road tyres, but I have never got on with Michelins - very little front feel until it is on it's side. Is that a philosophical thing with the construction/profiles they use?
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Yes, many seem to be having a time with the new tires. Especially the fronts. It will be an exciting season as it has already. As for Lorenzo. It is really an easy fix. Put his right red boot and glove and his left white boot and glove back on. He will be at least 1.5 seconds a lap faster with those on. My take on Rossi. He is in position and a sly dog. He has the goods still to do all he can to stay there.
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Rossi is clever, but it does look like Vinales has the speed this year. I'm not writing off Marquez - that Honda isn't too far off and will probably get better.
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I would of watched it if Channel 10 put on the race before 4.30 am the tight bastards, but no we must watch re-runs of M*A*S*H instead . Blind Freddy can see why they are dead last in the ratings at 10 .

Lorenzo is thinking... what have I done .
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Yes, agreed in both accounts.

After the first three rounds, I take the following impressions:

- Zarco is going to be rookie of the year, for sure.
Rides with a level of maturity, and seems so "hungry" and bold on the bike, in ways I would only envision in a veteran MotoGP rider (it's his first year in the premier class). Future works rider, yep.

- Vinales proves the "alien" status. As good as the best.
The Yamaha M1 seems the most balanced, easiest bike to ride, and he gets the best of it, every single time. This slip (DNF) in the US GP may cost him later in the season though.

- Rossi is the old guy getting close to retirement (for a number of years now).
Thing is, Rossi is Rossi. He's leading the championship and that long experience will count for a lot during this particular time.

- Lorenzo on the Ducati is a huge let down.
His riding style is the opposite of what that nasty bike requires. It's looking worse than the two freakish years Rossi had with them. Lorenzo always had bitter tendencies and ambitions, and I think he'll regret this move for the rest of his career.

- Marquez will be the unbalancing factor between Vinales and Rossi.
If things keep up competitive like this, it'll be a bloody battle for the tittle between these three.

- Michelin tyres still not at level of the Bridgestones.
It's amazing how an old experienced giant manufacturer of tyres can look so unexperienced even after a full year as exclusive tyre supplier.
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pretty much sums it all up!!

I'm just really glad the wings have gone, but I bet Ducati are not!
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Lorenzo is a good reminder that Dovi is better than he gets credit for.

P.S. - as a Brit I should add - Crutchlow is a legend

The Michelins seem odd, some funny front end crashes from guys who are really too good to be doing that.

I'm sure there isn't a link to road tyres, but I have never got on with Michelins - very little front feel until it is on it's side. Is that a philosophical thing with the construction/profiles they use?
Agreed, Dovi is a class act, maybe not quite alien but not far off

Cal is indeed the real deal, I'd have like to have seen him on a works bike at some point but sadly I think he's too old now (and the wrong nationality!).
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Agreed, Dovi is a class act, maybe not quite alien but not far off

Cal is indeed the real deal, I'd have like to have seen him on a works bike at some point but sadly I think he's too old now (and the wrong nationality!).
Here's a thought, Cal is (shall we say) - prickly/difficult - I don't think the works ride would necessarily suit him. The equipment he is on is really close to works and I get a feeling he likes being a bit of an underdog. It gives him a reason to fight. He seems to be in a good place with his head right now, he is taking the fight to the works bikes on not quite top tier equipment, I think that suits him just fine.

BTW - Zarco's pass on Rossi............I rather liked it
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Cal Crutchlow is indeed a very interesting and peculiar case.
There was this cool interview with him a couple of weeks ago:

http://www.crash.net/motogp/intervie...interview.html

That characteristic prickly/difficult attitude gave him some personality (IMO), which is a rare thing to see these days in this sport. But that tends to create more negative situations than positive ones in the big corporate MotoGP world.
And while he seems changed (marriage and daughter into play, I guess), those past situations won't benefit him, now or in the next years, regardless of how good he can ride (a "damaged goods" scenario).
I think he realizes it now.

Andrea Dovizioso is quite the opposite, and why the 2012 season was an interesting one, particularly if you follow these two riders then (Crutchlow and Dovizioso) when they were team mates in the Yamaha Tech3 team. Very competitive one against the other, on and off track, with all the contrasting aproaches.

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Come to think of it, the age problem for MotoGP riders is kind of a weird thing.
The issue with modern corporate MotoGP (post-Rossi era, IMO), I think, is that it isn't really the physical fitness or skills deterioration with age that becomes a problem now.
If you notice, today these guys are much better athletes and healthier, even later in their years, than it would be 25 or 40 years ago (remember riders smoking heavily right before the race, and in the pits during practice session? LOL).

It's the erosion at psychological level that is the major problem today at later stages of a career, I think.
Their living style (constant travelling, constant training, try to not get injured, rinse and repeat, on and on) and all the constant professional comitments with the public "image" being sold coming into play that, I think, creates that moment of "enough is enough", of rupture, at some point.

That romantic view of riders being larger than life, constantly partying, playboy style, as of the 1970s and 1980s, is a really distant memory now. Half the time (maybe most of the time) they're either in airports or flying somewhere, or resting in trailers or hotels, getting up and going to sleep at very early hours.
Not that glamorous, is it?
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Interesting diversion there Duc.............maybe the likes Randy Mamola, Steve Parrish etc. were the last of a breed.
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Interesting diversion there Duc.............maybe the likes Randy Mamola, Steve Parrish etc. were the last of a breed.
Yes, perhaps. Personally, I think so too.

The funny thing is, Rossi is probably the very last example of relaxed and fun episodes outside the races.
Funny because he's one of the persons many have blamed for provoquing a change, in the way MotoGP became fully corporate, and in the mentality of the riders, how they felt the need (after his consecutive wins) to change into full time obsessed athletes, more professional, more robotic.

The subject was brought up in last week's US GP press conference (interesting article below):

https://motomatters.com/analysis/201...nd_up_the.html
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good info peeps, yeah I agree Cal is prickly....but it is refreshing is it not?!

Regarding the 60s-70s....did anyone in the uk watch "Motorsport Mavericks"? http://www.itv.com/presscentre/ep2we...port-mavericks I haven't got round to watching it yet (on sky+ hdd) but my Father in law said it was good.
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