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Unread 9 May 17, 22:07   #51
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I didn't really enjoy the race, other than the brave overtaking maneuvers by Zarco in early laps.
All in all, it reminded me of the sad days of 800cc (snooze fest), with big gaps between riders.

The thing that many journalists are not mentioning so far is that this race at Jerez was an anomaly.
When you have tarmac like the one in Jerez, so old (for years in desperate need of resurface) that it's almost like riding in the wet, combined with the crappy Michelins (even worse this year), you get a race like this one was.

So many riders complained so harshly about the french tyres, right after race, that they were strongly advised to keep their mouths shut, "or else..." (at least that's the gossip going around atm).
The majority of riders seem to prefer to go back to last year's tyres, and those weren't all that good to beggin with.

Both factory Yamahas struggled with abnormal lack of tyre grip and feel, especially in the front (clearly visible during the race), same for the Honda of Crutchlow, the Suzuki of Iannone, the Tech3 Yamaha of Folger, the Aprilia of Aleix Espargaro, and the Ducati of Bautista (and probably others).

These are all riders that would not just deny Lorenzo and his Duc of a clear track ahead, they would actually give him a really hard time (if not simply crush him).
So, Lorenzo's podium was a "present" (IMHO). On a regular day, with that Duc, he would be 7th or 8th.

If you notice, the day after the race, there was a test day with all teams participating.
Workarounds with different setups were tested (after the strange race most had) but, most of all, new tyres were brought in and, funny enough, they're similar to the ones of last year (lol).
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good points Duc, as an ex bike rider I know that front end is EVERYTHING on a bike.
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I agree DucFreak. It was an awful race, and I felt sorry for the pilots that fell off track. The Michelin tyres have shown serious grip problems that must be fixed.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/motorsport/39959770bad news about Nicky Hayden Hope he pulls through.
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-05-1...cident/8540168
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Dammit! Sad news indeed. Doesn't matter, he is a fighter, isn't he? Keep fighting Nicky, keep fighting.
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Oh God effing DAMMIT!!!! I won't say why for spoiler reasons but <bleep> I'm narked off. Good race though (apart from the reason why exactly I'm peeved).
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Just downloaded 3 Motos will sit back tonight, tea 'n bickies ( biscuits)
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Good race, with its ups and downs.

For those that haven't seen this weekend's race, here's the resumed version (extended highlights):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JS7qhWyH8G0&t=0m1s


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Oh God effing DAMMIT!!!! I won't say why for spoiler reasons but <bleep> I'm narked off. Good race though (apart from the reason why exactly I'm peeved).
I hear ya. It was such a shame.

Next round is at Mugello (Italy), 6th June.
It'll be an intense weekend, for sure.
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Oh God effing DAMMIT!!!! I won't say why for spoiler reasons but <bleep> I'm narked off. Good race though (apart from the reason why exactly I'm peeved).
Yep, no spoilers from me either. Such a good race till the very end.

Have you guys seen Moto3? Such a huge crash, and it ruined the weekend for Bulega and other pilots. Also many crashes during the race, and I wonder if it has to do with the tyres pilots have been complaining about.
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Unread 22 May 17, 09:21   #61
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What about Binders near miss, how did he stay on that thing.
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I still havn't got round to watching the moto 3 and 2 races from Jerez yet let along France!! So much to watch so little time....
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Make SURE you watch the Moto 3 from Jerez. What a finish!

The Moto 2 race at Jerez was also a "milestone" win, though not nearly as exciting.
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https://www.motorsport.com/wsbk/news/hayden-909249/
Sad news about Nicky Hayden.

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Just read the news...

Rest in peace, Nicky Hayden
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great tributes to Nicky today and great MGP race (havn't watched the others yet)
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While not exactly hectic, the MotoGP race at Mugello was a good one.
The Moto2 and Moto3 races were very good!
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Exclamation Silly season starts - 2018 riders' market

It seems all of the factory bikes are already taken for next year.
All except one.



. . . Sam Lowes' seat on the Aprilia is in doubt and many are showing their interest . . .

The Aprilia RS-GP may not have achieved a great deal in the opening races, but all riders have noted its progress. Rider mistakes have been pointed as the main reason for the bike not expressing its potential.
For this reason, several of the riders are interested in it for next year.

Alvaro Bautista, who is currently racing on a satellite Ducati GP16 for the Aspar team, is out of contract at the end of 2017 and has been rumoured for the Aprilia seat. He had contributed to the development of the Aprilia bike in 2016 as a factory rider, and would like to return. He may have the chance again.

Cal Crutchlow is also rumoured for the Aprilia seat. He's out of contract at the end of 2017 and considering different options. He's currently racing with a satellite Honda extremely similar to the factory ones of Marquez and Pedrosa (and he won two races last year on it) but he would like to be part of a factory team. Something that he achieved with Ducati in 2014, although that particular adventure didn't pan out.

Andrea Iannone is in crisis with the Suzuki right now, and he is the other option being talked about in the paddock, though it would be difficult to work out.
The idea of an Italian on the Aprilia bike is of course very appealing but "The Maniac" has a two-year contract (untill the end of 2018) binding him to the Japanese manufacturer, so there would need to be a friendly divorce.

We're in the fantasy league phase but past experience has taught us that anything is possible, and there are many riders with performance clauses in their contract.
As the saying goes "where there's smoke, there's fire", so if there's a talk of Iannone leaving Suzuki it may well be that he has a performance clause in his contract.


. . . First Shots Sounded in Satellite Silly Season . . .

Sam Lowes has had a tough start this season, taking a long time to adapt to the demands of riding a MotoGP bike, and changing his style. So, as mentioned, his seat at Aprilia may be up for grabs.
But the real action is among the satellite riders, where only the Monster Tech 3 Yamaha men are already signed up for 2018. Beyond that, Pramac, Aspar, LCR, Marc VDS, and Avintia are all potential landing spots for next year.

Danilo Petrucci is doing what is expected of him at Pramac, though he is not entirely happy with that.
Petrucci is basically acting as test rider for the factory Ducatis at each race, trying parts and set ups the factory men don’t want to. This leaves Petrucci little time to improve his bike set up and riding style, and working towards results. When he can, such as at Mugello, he can perform very well.

Jack Miller is doing enough to keep his seat, though whether he also keeps an HRC contract is a different matter.
Getting Jack Miller’s HRC contract (or something along those lines) would be a bonus for Cal Crutchlow, who (as mentioned before) is also rumoured for the seat at Aprilia.

Alvaro Bautista is almost certain to stay where he is, after a very strong start to the season. But (as mentioned before) he's also rumoured for a return to the Aprilia.

Hector Barbera’s performance is well short of expectations generated by last year, and is trailing teammate Loris Baz in the championship.

The chances of Franco Morbidelli (jumping from Moto2) taking Tito Rabat’s seat in the Marc VDS team seem very high. That would probably leave Rabat either looking for a ride in Moto2 (so, a return to a class he won), or trying to take a seat at Aspar or Avintia.

Scott Redding is the most concerned about his seat, even though he has so far had decent enough results. But talks on staying at Pramac have not even started.

Pecco Bagnaia is the hot ticket at the moment, the Italian youngster (currently in Moto2) is in the crosshairs of Ducati, and especially of Aspar, who he rode for last year.


Sources:
- https://www.gpone.com/en/2017/06/09/...rs-market.html
- http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/251...one-lowes.html
- https://www.asphaltandrubber.com/mot...-summary-2017/

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cheers for the info Duc, good race today but some shocking performances, track temp really put the cat amongst the pidgeons.
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good race today but some shocking performances, track temp really put the cat amongst the pidgeons.
Agreed.
I enjoyed it, but it was indeed fully conditioned by temps (and by the tyres, again).

The most positive aspect with all these odd situations is that, so far, the championship standings are tight amongst the first six positions.
I sense that the second half of the championship will be tense after the summer break.
But there's plenty to go untill then.

Next round is going to be at "the cathedral of speed" - Assen!
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Agreed.
I enjoyed it, but it was indeed fully conditioned by temps (and by the tyres, again).

The most positive aspect with all these odd situations is that, so far, the championship standings are tight amongst the first six positions.
I sense that the second half of the championship will be tense after the summer break.
But there's plenty to go untill then.

Next round is going to be at "the cathedral of speed" - Assen!
Musn't forget to say great win too (won't say who yet for others!), but well deserved and looking good for the championship and Iwould love it if he won the whole shebang! But yeah it's really tight and exciting, last year was good with that spate of people winning, but it was done by non championship contenders so it stayed a Marc, Lorenzo or Vale show.....MUCH better this year with more of the top riders in with a shout!
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These were made public by the Pramac racing team (Ducati) a few months ago, but are hardly known (very few views).

For those of us into MotoGP (even for those not really into it), I think these videos will be interesting:






There's also a similar tut regarding the throttle and front brake control, by text and photos:

http://photo.gp/2015/04/20/all-in-th...ottle-control/




Then a lap showing body and feet work.


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cheers for the vids Duc!
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Great MGP race at Assen....I was on tenterhooks towards then end when the conditions changed slightly. Some brilliant performances!
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GREAT race, GREAT result! I was grinning for HOURS afterwards...

In fact, I think I'll watch it again RIGHT NOW!

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Fab race
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Spectacular race, one of the best I have ever seen in recent times!
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Did Folger punch Petrucci in the back on the cool down lap?
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Valentino Rossi has been hospitalized after an endurance motocross accident, with reports suggesting he has broken his right leg.

It is understood Rossi sustained the injury to both the tibia and fibula of the leg that he previously broke in his high-speed practice crash at Mugello in 2010.

He is currently in Urbino Hospital, but it is understood he will likely have surgery tomorrow at another medical facility.

Rossi's father Graziano said "Valentino is not optimistic. They fear there is a fracture.

"To do the radiograph they had to cut the boot, and Valentino told me he feels very bad."

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Wow! that really sucks
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News update: Valentino Rossi leaves hospital:

https://www.gpone.com/en/2017/09/02/...-hospital.html

It feels good to hear that he's already resting and starting recuperation ASAP (worse is gone by) but it's still an injury to the tibia and fibula - and a considerable one: a compound fracture.
We all remember how it was the last time he had a very similar injury (Mugello 2010), the long recovery and lost championship, and I think it also was the right leg(?).

Rossi being Rossi will fight back like the forever lasting Peter Pan that he always does but, IMO, it's kind of difficult to no think that this could be the "beggining of the end" for him.
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Exactly my thinking also ducfreak. He will !always have the heart of a champion!
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You have to wonder why they train on MX bikes..............ok, I know the 'why' - but the downside is pretty massive, is the gain worth it during a season? Basically if you ride a dirt bike you will get hurt - that is virtually unavoidable. I seem to remember Jamie Whitham once saying 'whenever I hear a dirt bike, I can already smell the surgical spirit '
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You have to wonder why they train on MX bikes..............ok, I know the 'why' - but the downside is pretty massive, is the gain worth it during a season? Basically if you ride a dirt bike you will get hurt - that is virtually unavoidable. I seem to remember Jamie Whitham once saying 'whenever I hear a dirt bike, I can already smell the surgical spirit '
lol Somehow, Whitham always has a way to make something brutal sound somewhat funny.

The topic of "road racing riders training on MX bikes" has been controversial.
This particular accident with Rossi (again, as he has had a bunch of training acidents with MX bikes through the years) may spur articles on the subject from websites and magazines.
GP journalist David Emmett made a quick article on it yesterday:

https://motomatters.com/analysis/201...ury_on_an.html

Interesting perspective from the riders, must say.



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You have to wonder why they train on MX bikes..............ok, I know the 'why' - but the downside is pretty massive, is the gain worth it during a season? Basically if you ride a dirt bike you will get hurt - that is virtually unavoidable. I seem to remember Jamie Whitham once saying 'whenever I hear a dirt bike, I can already smell the surgical spirit '
depends how you ride the mx bike , get cocky you crash . They are not racing mx bikes . They are saying 6 weeks but Rossi is 38 and I think it will take longer. Hopefully he is back next year.
I don't think Lorenzo rides dirt bikes ? as he seems to like 2 wheels inline and not sideways .

If you ride dirt bikes as a kid, dirt bikes are in your blood for ever . Just too much fun not to do it .

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If you ride dirt bikes as a kid, dirt bikes are in your blood for ever . Just too much fun not to do it .
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Personally I don't think it is good form when they ( Valentino and Marc ) get paid 10 million a year

A lot of people rely on them and they got the rest of their life to play billygoats

If they were both out it would diminish the championship 50% and I don't think that is fair to anyone

How many would do dangerous pastimes if they would lose their salary

None I bet
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It's sad but crap happens, hopefuly Rossi won't be out too long and will be back on form quickly.

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Personally I don't think it is good form when they ( Valentino and Marc ) get paid 10 million a year

A lot of people rely on them and they got the rest of their life to play billygoats

If they were both out it would diminish the championship 50% and I don't think that is fair to anyone

How many would do dangerous pastimes if they would lose their salary

None I bet
It's not just for fun though durge, it's their training as well. There's no top level simulation that a biker can use like the car lads can.

As the report quoted further up said it's safer to crash an offroad bike in training than it is to crash a race bike.
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Well if that was true every MotoGP rider would need to train on a MTX

MTX Pros train flat-out 7 days a week on machines they know like their wives and girlfriends.

I just saying there should be consequence to extra risk taking
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Well if that was true every MotoGP rider would need to train on a MTX

MTX Pros train flat-out 7 days a week on machines they know like their wives and girlfriends.

I just saying there should be consequence to extra risk taking
I think a lot of MGP riders and bike racers in general will do off road of some sort for training.

All sports people train, and bike racers are no exception. How else is a bike racer to train and keep it as safe as possible? Off road speeds are MUCH lower than the 200+ they do racing, corner speeds are much slower and dirt/mud is generally softer on the body than tarmac!

In those terms I think the riders team and management are probably more in favour of offroad for training purposes. Thing is I bet the win mentality takes over even when training!
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I think a lot of MGP riders and bike racers in general will do off road of some sort for training.

All sports people train, and bike racers are no exception. How else is a bike racer to train and keep it as safe as possible? Off road speeds are MUCH lower than the 200+ they do racing, corner speeds are much slower and dirt/mud is generally softer on the body than tarmac!

In those terms I think the riders team and management are probably more in favour of offroad for training purposes. Thing is I bet the win mentality takes over even when training!
Yep, exactly.
If I can add something to that, to ride offroad in a loose surface (like dirt) is extremely beneficial to your bike control skills and reflexes. At same time, your physical skills (strenght, stamina) are pushed high.
It's like having a short, big hit, strong drink (training on an MX bike) and compare with a long, slow burn, softer drink (training on a sportbike). Either of the two will hit but the differences in intensity are big.

Add to that other very relevant factors, like logistics and expenses.
It also helps that you can explore beyond the limit of grip with a machine that is far more capable to endure a beating, that can be punished and crashed while getting little damage. You fall on an MX bike on the dirt, chances are that it only has a few scratches. Pick it up and keep going.
Sportbikes are not only a lot more fragile, they also need more people involved and far higher logistical capabilities involved. You crash on a sportbike at a track day scenario, chances are that it it's severely damaged, in need of mechanics and a lift back to the pitlane. Your training could be "game over" just moments after it started.

Also, it's understandable why riders say they do it "because it's fun". It is a lot of fun, regardless of your capabilities and skills. And it helps too, if you enjoy your time while training.
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Well from that article......

Bradley said .......At the end of the day I always trust professionals to make a professional decision as much as possible


Cal don't use them either

Look I never debated the benefits and reasoning for it

I just question the wisdom in today's high priced world

Normal life people have important jobs where many others rely on them every day
Getting a broken leg on MTX or Ski holiday will get no gratitude from your workmates


P.S. You can say the same for race drivers I could see Rally as good for keeping reflexes up etc .... and looked what happened to Kubica doing a high risk "hobby"

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Rossi is a big part of Moto GP and it will effect the crowds. Thinking this may of been his last hurrah as mentioned in this thread. It was his right leg last time and that will make it tough on the recovery. As for the training on dirt bikes. I have rode MX since 1970 when I was 10. Had to give it up after my last tail bone break. Yea...two times I did that. Would never trade it for anything. It also teaches them to handle the wiggles and things they save. We have always called Rossi ChimChim. You know the monkey in the old Speed Racer cartoon? When he was young, he kinda looked like the character. So with that. I hope it is not the last we see of ChimChim. He CAN still bring it to the track also. Go ChimChim!
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Well from that article......

Bradley said .......At the end of the day I always trust professionals to make a professional decision as much as possible


Cal don't use them either

Look I never debated the benefits and reasoning for it

I just question the wisdom in today's high priced world

Normal life people have important jobs where many others rely on them every day
Getting a broken leg on MTX or Ski holiday will get no gratitude from your workmates


P.S. You can say the same for race drivers I could see Rally as good for keeping reflexes up etc .... and looked what happened to Kubica doing a high risk "hobby"
But the "wisdom" is the training, I know not all riders do this, but they must train in other ways. Any sort of training is risky, just look at Nicky Hayden, he paid the ultimate price.

Normal people have accidents all the time, how many work hours/days are lost due to alcohol consumption over the weekend?!!
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Well, Valentino has been passed as 'fit to race' at Aragon and I (just me, myself) think it is a bloody stupid decision.
The chance of another title is gone and the chance of really damaging an already damaged leg is high.
While I agree that this is a matter of free choice and Valentino should be free to do what he considers to be the right thing, certain decisions have a way of rebounding to bite one on the bum!
Hope he takes it sensibly and just stays upright.

As for al the the 'training' huffing and puffing, dirt bikes have been used as a way of keeping riders sharp for decades, dating back to the 'Texas Terrors' and beyond.
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Have you guys seen the MotoGP qualifications? What a performance!
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Have you guys seen the MotoGP qualifications? What a performance!
And an outstanding performance for most of the GP by Valentino despite the inevitable tailing off toward the end.
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Japanese GP was awesome!!!
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Japanese GP was awesome!!!
It was indeed! What a spectacular race!
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