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Unread 7 October 07, 14:34   #1
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If you haven't installed these yet, then do yourself a favour and download them right now. I have just completed a short 8 lap race in the Mini Cooper S at Anderstorp South, and the engine sound is AWESOME !!!

The Abarth is another car that has been completely transformed by these upgrades (the default engine sounds like a lawnmower), together with the Lotus Elan and Jaguar E-Type.

Thank you, DucFreak


Can anyone answer the following questions ?

The Jaguar sounds can also be used for the MkII, but I would like to know how accurate this is. Do the E-Types in GT Legends use six cylinder engines, or the big V12 ?

Did the Lotus Cortina sound almost the same as the Elan ?

Did the Lotus Elite sound like the Mini Cooper ?
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Unread 7 October 07, 15:08   #2
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If you haven't installed these yet, then do yourself a favour and download them right now. I have just completed a short 8 lap race in the Mini Cooper S at Anderstorp South, and the engine sound is AWESOME !!!

The Abarth is another car that has been completely transformed by these upgrades (the default engine sounds like a lawnmower), together with the Lotus Elan and Jaguar E-Type.

Thank you, DucFreak


Can anyone answer the following questions ?

The Jaguar sounds can also be used for the MkII, but I would like to know how accurate this is. Do the E-Types in GT Legends use six cylinder engines, or the big V12 ?

Did the Lotus Cortina sound almost the same as the Elan ?

Did the Lotus Elite sound like the Mini Cooper ?
The MKII and E Types of that period share the same engine and gearbox combination. 3.8 with Moss four speed box. No synchro on first. The only differences in sound would be a different exhaust system, and acoustics in the cockpit.

As to the other cars, I don't know, but it wouldn't surprise me if the Lotus Cortina and the Elan share a very similar engine.
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Unread 7 October 07, 15:43   #3
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Thanks, Frank.


Another couple of comments.....

Firstly, it seems that there are two slightly different audio files for the Jaguar E-Type and Jaguar MkII. That's fine, but it probably would have been a good idea to give them unique filenames, thereby avoiding any confusion.

Secondly, the Ford Mustang sounds have the filename fordtvrsounds.aud. Does this mean that these engine sounds can also be used with the TVR Griffith ?
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Unread 7 October 07, 20:47   #4
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...as responded in same thread at RSC...

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If you haven't installed these yet, then do yourself a favour and download them right now. I have just completed a short 8 lap race in the Mini Cooper S at Anderstorp South, and the engine sound is AWESOME !!!

The Abarth is another car that has been completely transformed by these upgrades (the default engine sounds like a lawnmower), together with the Lotus Elan and Jaguar E-Type.

Thank you, DucFreak


Can anyone answer the following questions ? (...)
Thank you. :cool:

Before answering your questions, I'll have to say that, while most soundpacks are fully accurate/authentic (taking their real counterparts onboard recordings to account), some soundpacks aren't 100% authentic (Ford GT40 and Mustang/GT350), and those in that category were made just for the fun of creating something (but then all have been and are) to substitute the original sound, yet some have the real counterpart sound at least as inspiration.


Now to your questions...


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Did the Lotus Cortina sound almost the same as the Elan ?
Yes and No at same time (!), the Lotus Cortina sounds very close to the Elan in real life but there are some diferences (diferente engines although similar base), something I didn't manage (yet!) to create with the existing soundpack based on real Lotus Elan -onboard- sound recordings (soundpack to be upgraded sometime later).


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The Jaguar sounds can also be used for the MkII, but I would like to know how accurate this is. Do the E-Types in GT Legends use six cylinder engines, or the big V12 ?
Six cilinders.
The Jag E-type and MkII had/have basicly the same engine (diferent development in racing?) and were not far off in sound, so I suppose the soundpack is correct.
...Frank (Sunalp2) might be a better person to confirm this as his the expert in the Jaguar and particulary in the MkII department.


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Did the Lotus Elite sound like the Mini Cooper ?
Identical due to similar engine configuration but quite a bit diferent in exhaust note and that's recreated in the soundpack if you noticed.

The Elite sound is slightly lower pitch and has a diferent sound-reverberation in exhaust (diferent mid/high RPM sound in the GTL soundpack), afterall there are diferent engines in bouth cars even if the engine configuration is very, very similar.


One thing that you have to understand is that compromise exhists everywhere in gaming, even in sound-modding.
There is a limit caused by game limitations and resources (exhistence of accurate onboard-recordings with decent quality) and then by the persons's free-time to invest in these...

...I could have skipped some cars in current soundpack releases and, later, make a soundpack just for the Cortina, another for the Elite, another one just for the GT350 (instead of including the Mustang), etc, but that would certainly take MUCH more time to get these released and would fully be dependent in the exhistence of good recordings for certain models (some have very peculiar sound, the Mini for instances), necessary for the detail that I'm willing to achieve (especially now with the task with sounds for Power&Glory).

That's why some cars (Cortina, Elite, MkII) were graced with new sounds based on bigger/younger brothers sounds and not really their real own sound, in any of those cases even if they aren't 100% accurate I would say they're damn close and, IMHO, better than originals.



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Another couple of comments.....

Firstly, it seems that there are two slightly different audio files for the Jaguar E-Type and Jaguar MkII. That's fine, but it probably would have been a good idea to give them unique filenames, thereby avoiding any confusion.

Secondly, the Ford Mustang sounds have the filename fordtvrsounds.aud. Does this mean that these engine sounds can also be used with the TVR Griffith ?
I think you should get better informed before commenting about file structure... blame Blimey/SimBin for that, not me.
...it has to be that way to make the soundpacks work.

About your question, yes, it will work in the TVR (also for the Ford Falcon) but please remember that each released soundpack is optimized and built around the physics of the cars they're aimed for, the TVR will very likely have idle and maximum-revs really disadjusted (diferent pitch and samples crossfades) compared to the Mustang/GT350... *shrugs* ...you've been warned.



BTW, below there's a list with .AUD file names of every original car in GTL:

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TC-65
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Abarth 1000TC ----------------------- Abarthsounds.aud

Alfa Romeo GTA ---------------------- AlfaGTAsounds.aud

Ford Falcon Sprint ------------------- fordtvrsounds.aud

Ford Mustang ------------------------ fordtvrsounds.aud

Jaguar MKII ------------------------- Jagsounds.aud

Lotus Cortina ----------------------- Cortinasounds.aud

Mini Cooper S ----------------------- Austin_Mini.aud


GTC-65
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AC Cobra ---------------------------- shelbysounds.aud

Austin Healey ------------------------ austinsounds.aud

Corvette Stingray (side exhaust) ---- vettesidesounds.aud

Corvette Stingray (rear exhaust) ---- vetterearsounds.aud

Ferrari 275GTB ---------------------- f350gtsounds.aud

Ford GT40 -------------------------- panterasounds.aud

Jaguar E-Type ---------------------- Jagsounds.aud

Lotus Elan 26R --------------------- Lotus_Elan_Sounds.aud

Lotus Elite ------------------------- Lotus_Elite_Sounds.aud

Mercedes 300SL -------------------- Mercsounds.aud

Renault Alpine A110 ---------------- Renault_Alpine_Sounds.aud

Shelby Daytona Coupe -------------- shelbysounds.aud

Shelby GT350 ---------------------- shelbysounds.aud

TVR Griffith 400 ------------------- fordtvrsounds.aud


GTC/TC-76
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BMW CSL ---------------------------- BMWCSLsounds.aud

Corvette (side exhaust) ------------- vettesidesounds.aud

Corvette (rear exhaust) ------------- vetterearsounds.aud

DeTomaso Pantera ------------------- panterasounds.aud

Ford Capri -------------------------- Caprisounds.aud

Ford Escort RS2000------------------- escortsounds.aud

Porsche 906 ------------------------- 911sounds.aud

Porsche 911 ------------------------- 911sounds.aud

Porsche 914 ------------------------- Porsche914sounds.aud

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Unread 8 October 07, 20:20   #5
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Maybe to clear things up a bit: The Elite had a Coventry Climax engine, which is only similar to the Mini engine (BMC A-series block) in that it has 4 cilinders...

The Mini uses a 3-bearing, non-crossflow, pushrod cast-iron block. This is about as agricultural as it gets, even in its first days it wasnt very modern in the engine-department at all, only the transverse position was unique. I am sometimes still amazed as to what you can do to it and it still will live on... :p In fact, it is the same engine as in the Austin A30, Morris Minor and many small BMC-cars of the era.

DUH! On the other hand, the Coventry Climax engine was derived from a fire-engine pump... but at least it had an overhead camshaft. In many ways it is a far better/more modern engine. Only it also has its niggling faults, mainly the electrics being by Lucas the Prince of Darkness who made an even shittier job than on the Mini. And the lubrication-system is not really up to the job (but this can be fixed).

The particular sound of a Mini is mainly determined by the gearbox, which has transfer gears because the engine was first designed to go the other way around. This however, led to freezing of the carb so transfer-gears were needed or we'd get 4 reverse gears and one forward... they cause the particular Mini gearwhine. THIS IS NOT A TURBO... it''s just whining gears... :cool: At 180 km/h most of the noise inside my own Mini is gearwhine, even if I have a 2.5 inch straight-through exhaust under it...:roflmao:

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Unread 9 October 07, 06:28   #6
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I tried the new Mini sounds and I like them Thanks for that tip!

It took some getting used to because the sounds are not as crisp as the original ones, but once I got used to them they sound really great, raw and throaty like a real race car
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Unread 9 October 07, 14:20   #7
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If you like the new engine sounds for the Mini, then for God's sake get the new Abarth sounds. That horrible, tinny whine is replaced by the sound of a real engine
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Unread 9 October 07, 18:44   #8
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The particular sound of a Mini is mainly determined by the gearbox, which has transfer gears because the engine was first designed to go the other way around. This however, led to freezing of the carb so transfer-gears were needed or we'd get 4 reverse gears and one forward... they cause the particular Mini gearwhine. THIS IS NOT A TURBO... it''s just whining gears... :cool: At 180 km/h most of the noise inside my own Mini is gearwhine, even if I have a 2.5 inch straight-through exhaust under it...:roflmao:
Prob one of the best sounds ever. With the Mini you don't need straight cut to sound good.
Think about it, when you slam a normal car in reverse, what sound do you get? Now apply this to 4 gears on the Mini and there ya go.
Backwards engine = backwards gears! :hehehe:
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redi,

If you like the new engine sounds for the Mini, then for God's sake get the new Abarth sounds. That horrible, tinny whine is replaced by the sound of a real engine
PLus it sounds like a rocket now. I always had trouble hearing em behind me or round turns, now I don't.
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i have downloaded ducFreaks sound mods and this has brought new life to the cars,well done. Although Rfactor seems to have more realistic sounds,is there a reason why GTL cannot sound like the old cars in Rfactor?
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Ask the HistorX guys, maybe they'll release the sound for GTR2.
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Unread 8 August 08, 13:41   #11
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Thanks for the nice comments guys, it's really satisfying seeing these are still pleasing.

I won't comment on sounds of Historix and other mods, for same cars seen in GTL, but I'm very happy with the work I've been doing for Power&Glory.

As some will know, I've been doing the sounds for Power&Glory since early 2007, when Steve (aka pbearsailor) presented me the project.

I am fully dedicated to P&G and confident in the result of the project, that's why, from now on, you will probably only see my newer TC/GT sounds in it.

For those still a bit reluctant, I suggest visiting our site at http://www.gtlw.co.uk/ and also take the chance to check the article about P&G sounds.

...in that article you'll also have an in-game sound recording (from direct sound-input, not from speakers like some do, to disguise/"color" the sounds), showing a WIP of sounds of one car -won't tell you which one is - so you can see/hear what to expect, in that department, when it gets released.
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Thanx for the nice comments guys, it's really satisfying seeing these are still pleasing.
They sure are .

A huge part of the fun from sims is actually hearing a beautiful engine screaming it`s heart out, and your sounds have definitely been a huge improvement over the defaults.

Very much looking forward to the v2.0 of P&G to see what`s been done there.
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can someone please post a working link for GTR2:

Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint GTA Sound Mod by DucFreak
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