Stuttering although high FPS

ToMaCa · 28 February 09, 08:36

Hi!
I sometimes experience stuttering although the frame rate signals 80-100fps. I havent been able to track that down. Any ideas? It´s running on XP and yes, I have the grafics settings like maxed out, but most of the time it works smoothly. I reinstalled XP (and GTR2) not long ago so the installation is kinda fresh.

redi · 28 February 09, 08:56

If you have 80-100 FPS and in general 60+ FPS constantly, turn on VSync and enable Triple Buffering by using the information in this thread. This should get rid of any stuttering.

ToMaCa · 28 February 09, 09:24

Thanks, I´ll try that.

ToMaCa · 28 February 09, 10:08

Well, I did a quick test, and I´m not sure it did the trick.
It is some time since I played GTR2, just started again. Dont remember that I had this stuttering problem back then. Since then I have overclocked my CPU and memory and I clearly have better fps now. I´ve also reinstalled XP (and GTR2).

A few questions:
1. I have my monitor update freq set to 85HZ. The tripple buffering setting would kick in when fps drops under that, right? Does it cost performance and if so, when does it cost?

2. In the ATI Catalyst Control Center I can set the triple buffering, but there also is a bar called "Wait for vertical refresh", going from performance to quality. How can syncronizing frame rate to the refresh rate be scalable?

2. Is there any graphic setting under Advanced that specificly is known to cause stuttering? (not just lowering the fps)

Ytsejam · 7 March 09, 15:24

I had the same problem, and solved it. It was my internet security. I use Kaspersky 2009. I updated to new version, and now is fine.

LittleZippyUK · 7 March 09, 15:28

X:\GTR2\ReplayData

I deleted my replays and it solved my stuttering. I had tons in there.

Try that.

~~Visceral_Syn~~ · 7 March 09, 17:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by ToMaCa

1. I have my monitor update freq set to 85HZ. The tripple buffering setting would kick in when fps drops under that, right? Does it cost performance and if so, when does it cost?

Triple buffering doesn't 'kick-in', its an extra frame is drawn to a third buffer, in the case of the Double buffering, only 2 frames are drawn at a time. Anyway, if you have a video card with 256MB or more of video memory and are not using some insanely high resolution. Your video card should be able to draw the third frame, which does wonders in the the department of keeping framerates up.

It costs when Framerates drop under 60, because it goes down to 30fps.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ToMaCa

2. Is there any graphic setting under Advanced that specificly is known to cause stuttering? (not just lowering the fps)

Yes, FSAA, Full Scene Anti-Aliasing. Most low resolutions render the wonderful jaggies so many people hate. However, once resolutions used start going up and over, say 1680*1050, jaggies start becoming less, and less, but people keep cranking up FSAA. And FSAA WILL murder framerates. On My 8800 GTS 512, i typically leave FSAA in the driver set to application, and in GTR config its set to 1 or 2, since the gMotor² engine is fairly old, i change the QUALITY texture settings up to HIGH QUALITY, and set Anisotropic Filtering to max. Since the vid card isn't wasting away tryin to do FSAA, that leaves more oomph to crank up texture quality, with no loss of framerates. With Culmone67's textures, some screenshots are fabulous. I'm running that 8800 GTS 512 on a Samsung "22 2204BW, at 1680*1050@60hz, VSync enabled. Steady 60fps, it has dropped in the rain, and at night. But Rain or night alone, not together stays at 60fps.

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Freddyfartbox · 7 March 09, 23:40

What other programs do you have running in the background? Ages ago I installed a temp monitoring tool which made rFactor stutter, so check what you have running.

Petty Andretti · 8 March 09, 17:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freddyfartbox

What other programs do you have running in the background? Ages ago I installed a temp monitoring tool which made rFactor stutter, so check what you have running.

Which temp monitor were you using?

Freddyfartbox · 8 March 09, 21:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Petty Andretti

Which temp monitor were you using?

Easy Tune 6. I tried a few other programs but they all seemed to give different readings, ET6 seemed the most accurate from what I could tell, but the stutters in rF were bloody annoying.

montoyafan · 10 March 09, 02:46

This may help. I was having bad stutters in GTR2 and rFactor and could not figure out why because it had just started and I had never had that problem before. Tried all sorts of stuff, new drivers, all kinds of setting in ATI tray tool, the works. Then I realized I had just changed my slave drive HDD and pasted everything back from my external, what I had neglected to do was turn off file indexing. Did that and, so far, stutters have gone away.

Worth a try. I also put AA back to level one to make sure I wasn't deluding my self and still ran smooth.

Hope this might help some of you.

robmypro · 10 March 09, 23:35

This is a good discussion. I am getting a steady 60fps (my TV refresh is 60) but I also notice occasional stutters. I see that file indexing was on for the drive, so I am going to turn it off and give that a shot. I am also going to go through my services in Vista and see what I can turn off.

ToMaCa · 11 March 09, 16:22

The file indexing we are talking about here is the one I find when I select HD preferences, right?

robmypro · 11 March 09, 17:20

I went into My Computer, right clicked the C drive, and then went into properties. Then there is a checkbox there for indexing.

Josepmaria · 11 March 09, 17:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by robmypro

I went into My Computer, right clicked the C drive, and then went into properties. Then there is a checkbox there for indexing.

So you turned it off and ... what happened ?????

robmypro99 · 11 March 09, 22:55

It seemed to work yesterday, but today they stuttering is back. Looking into it right now.

scca1981 · 11 March 09, 23:24

That's not the proper way to turn off indexing.

For XP:
Control Panel/Admin Tools/Services/Indexing Service

To see if its on, go to start/search/"with indexing service" in the side search companion box

I'm not sure on vista but i'm going to assume is similar.

robmypro99 · 12 March 09, 00:45

Okay I will try that. Thanks.

scca1981 · 12 March 09, 01:05

There is no guarantee it will stop game stuttering. Its quite possible its the video card drivers.

Keep your HD defragmented also.

28 February 09, 08:36	#1
ToMaCa Join Date: Apr 2007	Stuttering although high FPS Hi! I sometimes experience stuttering although the frame rate signals 80-100fps. I havent been able to track that down. Any ideas? It´s running on XP and yes, I have the grafics settings like maxed out, but most of the time it works smoothly. I reinstalled XP (and GTR2) not long ago so the installation is kinda fresh.

28 February 09, 08:56	#2
redi Superator Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: On a thin crust covering a huge ball of hot molten stone whizzing through space Age: 40	If you have 80-100 FPS and in general 60+ FPS constantly, turn on VSync and enable Triple Buffering by using the information in this thread. This should get rid of any stuttering.

28 February 09, 09:24	#3
ToMaCa Join Date: Apr 2007	Thanks, I´ll try that.

28 February 09, 10:08	#4
ToMaCa Join Date: Apr 2007	Well, I did a quick test, and I´m not sure it did the trick. It is some time since I played GTR2, just started again. Dont remember that I had this stuttering problem back then. Since then I have overclocked my CPU and memory and I clearly have better fps now. I´ve also reinstalled XP (and GTR2). A few questions: 1. I have my monitor update freq set to 85HZ. The tripple buffering setting would kick in when fps drops under that, right? Does it cost performance and if so, when does it cost? 2. In the ATI Catalyst Control Center I can set the triple buffering, but there also is a bar called "Wait for vertical refresh", going from performance to quality. How can syncronizing frame rate to the refresh rate be scalable? 2. Is there any graphic setting under Advanced that specificly is known to cause stuttering? (not just lowering the fps)

7 March 09, 15:24	#5
Ytsejam Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Chicago	I had the same problem, and solved it. It was my internet security. I use Kaspersky 2009. I updated to new version, and now is fine.

7 March 09, 15:28	#6
LittleZippyUK Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: England Age: 19	X:\GTR2\ReplayData I deleted my replays and it solved my stuttering. I had tons in there. Try that.

7 March 09, 23:40	#8
Freddyfartbox Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Bunbury. Western Australia. Age: 34	What other programs do you have running in the background? Ages ago I installed a temp monitoring tool which made rFactor stutter, so check what you have running.

10 March 09, 02:46	#11
montoyafan Join Date: Oct 2006	This may help. I was having bad stutters in GTR2 and rFactor and could not figure out why because it had just started and I had never had that problem before. Tried all sorts of stuff, new drivers, all kinds of setting in ATI tray tool, the works. Then I realized I had just changed my slave drive HDD and pasted everything back from my external, what I had neglected to do was turn off file indexing. Did that and, so far, stutters have gone away. Worth a try. I also put AA back to level one to make sure I wasn't deluding my self and still ran smooth. Hope this might help some of you.

10 March 09, 23:35	#12
robmypro Join Date: Feb 2009	This is a good discussion. I am getting a steady 60fps (my TV refresh is 60) but I also notice occasional stutters. I see that file indexing was on for the drive, so I am going to turn it off and give that a shot. I am also going to go through my services in Vista and see what I can turn off.

11 March 09, 16:22	#13
ToMaCa Join Date: Apr 2007	The file indexing we are talking about here is the one I find when I select HD preferences, right?

11 March 09, 17:20	#14
robmypro Join Date: Feb 2009	I went into My Computer, right clicked the C drive, and then went into properties. Then there is a checkbox there for indexing.

11 March 09, 22:55	#16
robmypro99 Join Date: Mar 2009	It seemed to work yesterday, but today they stuttering is back. Looking into it right now.

11 March 09, 23:24	#17
scca1981 Join Date: Dec 2006 Age: 32	That's not the proper way to turn off indexing. For XP: Control Panel/Admin Tools/Services/Indexing Service To see if its on, go to start/search/"with indexing service" in the side search companion box I'm not sure on vista but i'm going to assume is similar.

12 March 09, 00:45	#18
robmypro99 Join Date: Mar 2009	Okay I will try that. Thanks.

12 March 09, 01:05	#19
scca1981 Join Date: Dec 2006 Age: 32	There is no guarantee it will stop game stuttering. Its quite possible its the video card drivers. Keep your HD defragmented also.