Your favorite short tight twisty track?

todd92371 · 14 May 12, 18:03

Was wondering what is your favorite shorter technical track? I've been enjoying Laguna Seca and Lime Rock alot. Any suggestions?

KDiesel · 14 May 12, 18:06

Monaco!

Nappe1 · 14 May 12, 18:34

I am about to query rights to publish it.
One of the finnish legends is about to make in GTL...

motorfx has done a marvelous job to convert this classic and hopefully original author of GPL version gives rights to release this.

bgis · 14 May 12, 19:11

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_Knutstorp

Netkar Pro has a nice version

todd92371 · 14 May 12, 19:11

The link doesn't work?

bgis · 14 May 12, 19:14

Sorry try this

Tkrau · 14 May 12, 20:07

Monaco again!

vollgas · 14 May 12, 20:12

Mosport Wiki

DragonGaru · 14 May 12, 21:18

Monaco always!

and Macau.

TICTOC · 14 May 12, 21:48

Cadwell Park.

http://www.nogripracing.com/details.php?filenr=3184

Age Rohbein · 14 May 12, 21:54

Mosport isn't 'short and twisty'... Monaco isn't particularly short either, and half of Macau are really long faaaast bits. Do like the tracks though.

Knutstorp would fit the bill better, and as for Nappe's hint... Ahvenisto? Also, there are dozens of small tracks littered all over Japan (many of them used for drifting) that would all match this category. Some of them modeled, many still up for trackmaker's grabs.

DragonGaru · 14 May 12, 22:06

Monaco and Macau not so much in terms of length but for its technicality

vollgas · 14 May 12, 22:15

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Originally Posted by Age Rohbein

Mosport isn't 'short and twisty'...

Are we talking about the same Mosport?

renard · 14 May 12, 22:48

I agree with TICTOC, Cadwell is fantastic!

Tkrau · 15 May 12, 00:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by DragonGaru

Monaco and Macau not so much in terms of length but for its technicality

This.

Nappe1 · 15 May 12, 08:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Age Rohbein

Knutstorp would fit the bill better, and as for Nappe's hint... Ahvenisto?

nope, Keni did nice conversion many years ago already. This is older, the mother of fininsh motor racing.

As another hint, anyone has Sergio Loro's contact information? I looked around in net but could not find anything...

grojosan · 15 May 12, 11:21

Cadwell is one of the best tracks ever. But I also like the following tracks:

Le Mas du Clos (ok, AI drivers are very stupid there)
Oulton Park (the narrow version)
Infineon (Sears Point Short)
Knockhill
Toban
Zandvoort 1967

@Nappe1

Must be this one:

http://www.kolumbus.fi/leif.snellman/dj/dj.htm

It was created by Sergio Loro and some other guys for GPL a long time ago.

Nappe1 · 15 May 12, 12:11

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Originally Posted by grojosan

@Nappe1

Must be this one:

http://www.kolumbus.fi/leif.snellman/dj/dj.htm

It was created by Sergio Loro and some other guys for GPL a long time ago.

It is Eläintarha. Only one historically remarkable finnish track is missing after this; Imatra TT GP track. Unfortunately I don't think we see it ever, as it is beyond hard work and As it was Motorcycle WC race track, I doubt many here even knows it.

but I'll try to get the Loro and others contacted and we'll see if Eltsu gets released. GT Legends would be right game for it, after all it was used from 1933 to 1963.

EDIT: Eltsu is like scaled down Bremgartten; hugely fast and deadly dangerous. it calls some balls to drive one even in GTL, not to mention how the guys in 50's felt racing with those cars in roads which were technically only paved park paths...

Pizzaman · 15 May 12, 13:34

My favs:
C.I.R.C.
Pont l'Eveque

Tkrau · 15 May 12, 16:15

OOOH...those look fun!

todd92371 · 15 May 12, 16:17

That C.I.R.C. track looks awesome!!!

jgf · 15 May 12, 16:49

Short, tight, twisty? Roskilde Ring.

"Opened in 1955, it was the first permanent race track for cars in Denmark. At only 670 metres, it was soon considered to be too short, and was in 1957 extended to a length of approx. 1400 metres. It became the only Danish track to host formula one races, in 1961 and 1962, featuring famous drivers as Stirling Moss, Jack Brabham, Jim Clark and John Surtees. It also became the cradle for the first Danish race drivers of international standard. In 1969 the track was closed due to being in a too densely populated area.

Roskilde is situated at the bottom of an abandoned gravel pit, the steep walls and hills inside the pit are preserved in the track layout. This means considerable elevation changes, with almost 14 metres between the extremes. All corners are banked, from 5 degrees in the slowest corners to 11 degrees in the Pirelli turn. The width of the track is 23 metres at the starting line and 13 metres along the back stretch.
The fastest lap recorded was 42.00 seconds in a 1968 Formula 3."

Age Rohbein · 16 May 12, 01:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nappe1

It is Eläintarha.

but I'll try to get the Loro and others contacted and we'll see if Eltsu gets released. GT Legends would be right game for it, after all it was used from 1933 to 1963.

Eltsu was converted & released for rFactor at some point, I remember driving it so it should be portable to GTL ok... Wouldn't regard it as particularly twisty though, more really fast and really narrow (and actually pretty dangerous at speed in several places

).

Btw, Sergio gave permission to convert all of his GPL tracks (asked him a while ago).

And as for Mosport, wouldn't call a track where the hills on the main straigh had to be shaved off to prevent the cars flipping over at high speed 'the short & twisty kind'!

shotaro · 17 May 12, 11:08

My favorite track Brands Hatch

Great track to the best!

Pizzaman · 18 May 12, 19:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by todd92371

That C.I.R.C. track looks awesome!!!

We did that online with 20 nutters, on the GC server, with add-on cars.
We used everything from 1310 Minis and TCR to big fat Yank Tanks.

Eventuelly about half the field finished. Back field was a bit of a mess.
The rest pissed their pants, ending up everywhere including in trees.

maeckie · 18 May 12, 20:43

oran park should be mentioned as well : )
st jovite short layout is fine too

umma gumma · 20 May 12, 08:09

I always liked cadwell; great track detail, elevation changes, fun layout

RRrumbLE · 1 July 12, 05:37

Great thread! Hello to some of my Muscle Car friends (without Mario I'd still be trying to get GTL to work at all!), as well as that other gang of 'cyber-dudes' who've made GTL so much better - the NoGrip modding wizards!

Ahvenisto, Cadwell, Trois-Rivieres, Monaco, and lately Halle-Saale, Rockingham, and Miseluk have been my favorite twisties to throw the '69 Camaro around with a crowd of AI.

But for 'hill climb' or 'rally' type solo blasts, Red Rock and Joux Plane are tough to beat.

I have Eltsu for rFactor, but not GTL. Eltsu's an absolute gas to fly around on, and I bet it'd only get better with GTL!

sunalp2 · 1 July 12, 06:24

Shameless plugs here:

Amaroo

Circuit EIA - Pont L Eveque

looseether · 1 July 12, 09:56

I definitely agree with todd92371 about Lime Rock, one of my favourites from GPL.

Also the following non-exhaustive list,

Cadwell
Oran Park
St Jovite North
Amaroo
Pont L Eveque
Manfeild
Taupo
Sandown - I know it has long straights but tricky corners too !
Sardian Heights Street 100
Toban Short
Tsukuba
Vallelunga
Montjuich
Croft
Curitiba
Dijon Prenois
Falkenburg
....

RRrumbLE · 1 July 12, 10:42

I've gotta drive those killer TCs more often. I've started collecting a few to throw around some of these great twisties.

Quote:

Originally Posted by todd92371

That C.I.R.C. track looks awesome!!!

I forgot that one - another great place to shed some bodywork!

TICTOC · 1 July 12, 10:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by RRrumbLE

I've gotta drive those killer TCs more often....

What's a TC?

Georgeo · 1 July 12, 14:13

Would Lime Rock qualify as short, tight, and twisty? After that I'd have to say Brands Hatch.

RRrumbLE · 2 July 12, 08:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by TICTOC

What's a TC?

The Touring Cars - I spend most of my time on track in the big V8s & V12s. But I love those little TCs, and they get me onto the smaller, twistier circuits a lot more often.

Reading Looseether's long list of roller coasters had me smackin' my forehead like Homer Simpson. It's been too long since I drove some of those beauties!

frac · 28 April 13, 22:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by todd92371

Was wondering what is your favorite shorter technical track? I've been enjoying Laguna Seca and Lime Rock alot. Any suggestions?

Laaa
guna

Would be great if "someone" could convert the ALMS version from GTR2... It's weird as it's been around for years now and it has never been converted

Tkrau · 28 April 13, 22:55

IMO, there's a lot to be said for Circuit Ricardo Tormo's (Barcelona) full course...yeah, it has a long'ish main straight, but after that (and the further you go) it's full of 2nd/3rd-gear sprints between a bunch of nasty corners.

KittX · 28 April 13, 23:07

Laguna Seca
Mid-Ohio
Ahvenisto
Putnam park

Zpectre · 29 April 13, 00:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tkrau

IMO, there's a lot to be said for Circuit Ricardo Tormo's (Barcelona) full course...yeah, it has a long'ish main straight, but after that (and the further you go) it's full of 2nd/3rd-gear sprints between a bunch of nasty corners.

I think you mean Valencia. Barcelona is Circuit de Catalunya.

pgmurphy · 29 April 13, 02:36

No one's mentioned Varano yet??

wpsracing78 · 29 April 13, 06:02

I'm a fan of most short/tight tracks.

Adria is one that often doesn't get much talk. I've always liked it.
(2 long straights but very slow corners)

14 May 12, 18:03	#1
todd92371 Join Date: Jan 2011	Your favorite short tight twisty track? Was wondering what is your favorite shorter technical track? I've been enjoying Laguna Seca and Lime Rock alot. Any suggestions?

1 July 12, 09:56	#30
looseether Donated Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Australia Age: 45	I definitely agree with todd92371 about Lime Rock, one of my favourites from GPL. Also the following non-exhaustive list, Cadwell Oran Park St Jovite North Amaroo Pont L Eveque Manfeild Taupo Sandown - I know it has long straights but tricky corners too ! Sardian Heights Street 100 Toban Short Tsukuba Vallelunga Montjuich Croft Curitiba Dijon Prenois Falkenburg .... Last edited by looseether; 1 July 12 at 10:50. Reason: grammar

14 May 12, 18:34	#3
Nappe1 Uploader Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savitaipale or Kotka, Finland Age: 34	I am about to query rights to publish it. One of the finnish legends is about to make in GTL... motorfx has done a marvelous job to convert this classic and hopefully original author of GPL version gives rights to release this.

14 May 12, 19:11	#4
bgis Join Date: Sep 2008	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_Knutstorp Netkar Pro has a nice version

14 May 12, 20:07	#7
Tkrau Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Central California	Monaco again!

14 May 12, 21:18	#9
DragonGaru Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Cascais - Lisbon - Portugal - Europe - Earth Age: 36	Monaco always! and Macau.

14 May 12, 21:48	#10
TICTOC Uploader Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Melbourne, Australia Age: 45	Cadwell Park. http://www.nogripracing.com/details.php?filenr=3184

14 May 12, 21:54	#11
Age Rohbein Join Date: Jun 2011	Mosport isn't 'short and twisty'... Monaco isn't particularly short either, and half of Macau are really long faaaast bits. Do like the tracks though. Knutstorp would fit the bill better, and as for Nappe's hint... Ahvenisto? Also, there are dozens of small tracks littered all over Japan (many of them used for drifting) that would all match this category. Some of them modeled, many still up for trackmaker's grabs.

14 May 12, 22:06	#12
DragonGaru Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Cascais - Lisbon - Portugal - Europe - Earth Age: 36	Monaco and Macau not so much in terms of length but for its technicality

14 May 12, 22:48	#14
renard Hippy Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Twincylvania Age: 48	I agree with TICTOC, Cadwell is fantastic!

15 May 12, 11:21	#17
grojosan Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Switzerland Age: 48	Cadwell is one of the best tracks ever. But I also like the following tracks: Le Mas du Clos (ok, AI drivers are very stupid there) Oulton Park (the narrow version) Infineon (Sears Point Short) Knockhill Toban Zandvoort 1967 @Nappe1 Must be this one: http://www.kolumbus.fi/leif.snellman/dj/dj.htm It was created by Sergio Loro and some other guys for GPL a long time ago.

15 May 12, 13:34	#19
Pizzaman Minifreak & Muscleman Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Groningen Centre of the Universe	My favs: C.I.R.C. Pont l'Eveque

15 May 12, 16:15	#20
Tkrau Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Central California	OOOH...those look fun!

15 May 12, 16:17	#21
todd92371 Join Date: Jan 2011	That C.I.R.C. track looks awesome!!!

15 May 12, 16:49	#22
jgf Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Columbus, OH Age: 59	Short, tight, twisty? Roskilde Ring. "Opened in 1955, it was the first permanent race track for cars in Denmark. At only 670 metres, it was soon considered to be too short, and was in 1957 extended to a length of approx. 1400 metres. It became the only Danish track to host formula one races, in 1961 and 1962, featuring famous drivers as Stirling Moss, Jack Brabham, Jim Clark and John Surtees. It also became the cradle for the first Danish race drivers of international standard. In 1969 the track was closed due to being in a too densely populated area. Roskilde is situated at the bottom of an abandoned gravel pit, the steep walls and hills inside the pit are preserved in the track layout. This means considerable elevation changes, with almost 14 metres between the extremes. All corners are banked, from 5 degrees in the slowest corners to 11 degrees in the Pirelli turn. The width of the track is 23 metres at the starting line and 13 metres along the back stretch. The fastest lap recorded was 42.00 seconds in a 1968 Formula 3."

17 May 12, 11:08	#24
shotaro Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: japan	My favorite track Brands Hatch Great track to the best!

18 May 12, 20:43	#26
maeckie Uploader Join Date: May 2009 Location: Berlin,Germany Age: 38	oran park should be mentioned as well : ) st jovite short layout is fine too

20 May 12, 08:09	#27
umma gumma Uploader Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Canada eh?	I always liked cadwell; great track detail, elevation changes, fun layout

1 July 12, 05:37	#28
RRrumbLE RRraciNG Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: North American Bullseye	Great thread! Hello to some of my Muscle Car friends (without Mario I'd still be trying to get GTL to work at all!), as well as that other gang of 'cyber-dudes' who've made GTL so much better - the NoGrip modding wizards! Ahvenisto, Cadwell, Trois-Rivieres, Monaco, and lately Halle-Saale, Rockingham, and Miseluk have been my favorite twisties to throw the '69 Camaro around with a crowd of AI. But for 'hill climb' or 'rally' type solo blasts, Red Rock and Joux Plane are tough to beat. I have Eltsu for rFactor, but not GTL. Eltsu's an absolute gas to fly around on, and I bet it'd only get better with GTL!

1 July 12, 06:24	#29
sunalp2 Grease Monkey Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Melbourne. Age: 61	Shameless plugs here: Amaroo Circuit EIA - Pont L Eveque

1 July 12, 14:13	#33
Georgeo Donated Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Maryland, USA Age: 61	Would Lime Rock qualify as short, tight, and twisty? After that I'd have to say Brands Hatch.

28 April 13, 22:55	#36
Tkrau Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Central California	IMO, there's a lot to be said for Circuit Ricardo Tormo's (Barcelona) full course...yeah, it has a long'ish main straight, but after that (and the further you go) it's full of 2nd/3rd-gear sprints between a bunch of nasty corners.

28 April 13, 23:07	#37
KittX Baddie Join Date: May 2003 Location: St. Petersburg, Russia Age: 25	Laguna Seca Mid-Ohio Ahvenisto Putnam park

29 April 13, 02:36	#39
pgmurphy Join Date: Aug 2010	No one's mentioned Varano yet??

29 April 13, 06:02	#40
wpsracing78 Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Adelaide, Australia Age: 23	I'm a fan of most short/tight tracks. Adria is one that often doesn't get much talk. I've always liked it. (2 long straights but very slow corners)