nvlddmkm.sys - BSOD

bruno_f · 15 April 09, 14:55

People,
does anybody here faced driver problems in Windows Vista, reffered to this nvlddmkm.sys????

I'm really troubled by this driver, as it makes my computer crashes aleatory, when I'm training.... It happens both to GTR2 and GTR Evo.... This computer crash lead to a BSOD, and happened in a middle of one championship race I was competing.... I'd make the pole-position and was in 2nd when computer crashed....

I searched google to solutions to this problem, and I got suprised with the amount of links related, and more, the amount of "solutions" users around the world give to this.... And worst, these "solutions" don't work fine for most users.... So, I'm in deep trouble, and I'm looking to find somebody who really know how to fix it...

Cheers,
Bruno_F

Khan1670 · 15 April 09, 15:01

That's a Nvidia Driver for your video card.

Do you update your drivers? I used to get a lot of problems from this driver a long time ago but these have been fixed as far as I know.

When I did have these problems turning off the Aero interface got rid of them.

triskele10 · 15 April 09, 15:20

The only thing that helpt for me was installing XP. I tried every thing I found on the internet for month and nothing was working. Even with Windows 7 it happend.

Kneegrow · 15 April 09, 15:35

Go to Nvidia and get the latest driver.
Uninstall your current driver. Don't reboot yet.
Go to windows/system32/drivers and delete nvlddmkm.sys
Reboot and install new driver, you must do this EVERYTIME you update Vista/NV drivers.

NV knows about the issue yet has failed to resolve the buggy drivers for 32/64 Vista.

JasonSix · 15 April 09, 16:30

I had this problem last week and since then I've updated my drivers to the latest WHQL ones from Nvidia's website.

Go here and download Driver Sweeper: (http://www.guru3d.com/category/driversweeper/)
And then here for the latest Drivers: (http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-us)

Install Driver Sweeper.

Go to Control Panel then Uninstall. Find Nvidia in the Uninstall list and tell it to remove Display driver only.

Next Reboot in to safe mode (tap F8 while your PC is rebooting until you get the Safe Mode menu)

Once in safe mode run Driver Sweeper and remove the leftover Nvidia display drivers.

I usually install the new Display Driver while I'm in safe mode but you can either do it from Safe Mode or just reboot and then install them.

bruno_f · 15 April 09, 16:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Khan1670

That's a Nvidia Driver for your video card.

Do you update your drivers? I used to get a lot of problems from this driver a long time ago but these have been fixed as far as I know.

When I did have these problems turning off the Aero interface got rid of them.

I have the latest version of NVidia Drivers (182.50).... The strange thing is that the system crash is not constant, there are days that I play and nothing happen....

I'll try to disable Aero Interface tonight and see if it works...

Cheers,
Bruno_F

bruno_f · 15 April 09, 16:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by triskele10

The only thing that helpt for me was installing XP. I tried every thing I found on the internet for month and nothing was working. Even with Windows 7 it happend.

The problem is that I've seen reports of similar problems under Windows XP.... And I don't have XP 64 to install on my computer.... I have just the 32 bit version, which I used in my previous computer.... But, if I can't solve this problem, I'll "downgrade" my O.S to XP.... But with this, I'll lose 3GB of RAM.... Which is a same too....

Cheers,
Bruno_F

bruno_f · 15 April 09, 16:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kneegrow

Go to Nvidia and get the latest driver.
Uninstall your current driver. Don't reboot yet.
Go to windows/system32/drivers and delete nvlddmkm.sys
Reboot and install new driver, you must do this EVERYTIME you update Vista/NV drivers.

NV knows about the issue yet has failed to resolve the buggy drivers for 32/64 Vista.

I'll try that tonight... The strange thing is that, searching on google, I found posts from 2007, related to this exactly problem, under Windows Vista.... Since that time, NV know this, and until today, they still haven't found the solution????

Cheers,
Bruno_F

bruno_f · 15 April 09, 16:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by JasonSix

I had this problem last week and since then I've updated my drivers to the latest WHQL ones from Nvidia's website.

Go here and download Driver Sweeper: (http://www.guru3d.com/category/driversweeper/)
And then here for the latest Drivers: (http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-us)

Install Driver Sweeper.

Go to Control Panel then Uninstall. Find Nvidia in the Uninstall list and tell it to remove Display driver only.

Next Reboot in to safe mode (tap F8 while your PC is rebooting until you get the Safe Mode menu)

Once in safe mode run Driver Sweeper and remove the leftover Nvidia display drivers.

I usually install the new Display Driver while I'm in safe mode but you can either do it from Safe Mode or just reboot and then install them.

Bud,
of all solutions to this problem I researched on internet, this suggestion of yours will be the first I'll try, because seems to me that this is the most logic....

But even this solution didn't work to some users.... I hope this works to me, but as the problem don't occur everytime (sometimes I play for some days before one system crash), even to test the solutions to the problem will be hard.... But I have no choice but to try, until I find a definately correction...

Cheers,
Bruno_F

jcarno · 15 April 09, 21:54

http://www.nvlddmkm.com/ Try this page out. I did everything on there and it cured the problem. I no longer get the nv error. However, that wasn't a very smart way of going about it. I was pissed off at the time from getting the error and just started at the top and worked my way down. If I were to do it today, I would probably do one thing at a time and test it.

BeepBeep2 · 15 April 09, 23:01

I used to get this at least once a month on my old 8800GTS 320MB.

Especially back in 2007 when Vista was new and flashy, and nvidia had not learned to make a proper driver.

~~AndrewJ~~ · 15 April 09, 23:36

Never had the problem in XP add/remove, reboot, install any WHQL driver and run baseline fps np.

Vista well thats another thing still cant find the fascination even with new cpu.

Everything runs slower for me also tried XP SP3 again just for my curiosity ...what a dog

Lost 300-400 marks with netframe and rest of crap

While I said fps in sims not that important i dont give away default ones, nuh

Also tried 64bit XP and Vista again

I dont know about intel but AMD quads flog in XP-SP2 lol

Butch Nackley · 16 April 09, 06:10

I got this same error tonight. it's the first time it has happened. I'm using 182.06 driver and have been since it was released. Vista x64. SP1 was suppose to include a fix for it, but it doesn't seem to really fix it. I guess it lessened it some, as said, it is the first time I have seen it.

I did some searching, but didn't find anything that is suppose to really fix it. I'm going to look over the link jcarno posted above.

It happened to me with rFactor, shortly after joining a online session. I rebooted and rejoined and everything was fine again, but now I'm worried it could happen again. Like you Burno, I race online in league championships. My results suck enough when everything is good, I don't need this keeping me from getting any scraps the top dogs may leave behind

I'm going to reinstall the driver again. Probably get the newest one too while I'm at it. I will be sure to remove everything from this one first. I never really worried about booting to safe mode and manually removing them, but I that was with XP. Well, that's not entirely true. I used to do it that way a long time ago, but quit doing it and until now, never a problem simply removing the old one from add/remove, reboot and installing the new one.

One thing I did notice. Indexing was doing it's thing pretty heavily before the crash tonight. I first noticed my HDD light was constantly on. I have now turned indexing off. I don't know if indexing has anything to do with it, but normally my HDD light rarely blinks when rFactor is loaded. Tonight before the crash if was lite up like a flashlight.

bruno_f · 16 April 09, 17:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Butch Nackley

I got this same error tonight. it's the first time it has happened. I'm using 182.06 driver and have been since it was released. Vista x64. SP1 was suppose to include a fix for it, but it doesn't seem to really fix it. I guess it lessened it some, as said, it is the first time I have seen it.

I did some searching, but didn't find anything that is suppose to really fix it. I'm going to look over the link jcarno posted above.

It happened to me with rFactor, shortly after joining a online session. I rebooted and rejoined and everything was fine again, but now I'm worried it could happen again. Like you Burno, I race online in league championships. My results suck enough when everything is good, I don't need this keeping me from getting any scraps the top dogs may leave behind

I'm going to reinstall the driver again. Probably get the newest one too while I'm at it. I will be sure to remove everything from this one first. I never really worried about booting to safe mode and manually removing them, but I that was with XP. Well, that's not entirely true. I used to do it that way a long time ago, but quit doing it and until now, never a problem simply removing the old one from add/remove, reboot and installing the new one.

One thing I did notice. Indexing was doing it's thing pretty heavily before the crash tonight. I first noticed my HDD light was constantly on. I have now turned indexing off. I don't know if indexing has anything to do with it, but normally my HDD light rarely blinks when rFactor is loaded. Tonight before the crash if was lite up like a flashlight.

Butch,
that's a very annoying thing when game crashes in the middle of one championship race, just like happened to me.... I simply didn't believe that.... I'm racing a difficult tournament, with a bunch of great drives (In my team there is 2 awesome drivers, and to this race, we made 1-2-3 on the grid, in Porto 2007, using those "monsters" extreme cars).... And to lose the race as I did, because of my computer (and worse: I spent a lot of money to buy this new computer of my signature) it's very frustrating....

Well, last night, I did that uninstall, booted to safe mode, ran Driver Sweeper to clean up remained nvidia files, then booted normal and re-installed the latest forceware drivers, which I downloaded from XFX site, not from Nvidia (the size of the drivers are different).... After that process, I played on-line, in races with more than 20 cars, for more than 1 hour, and nothing undesired happened....

Unfortunaley, this don't mean that the problem is dead..... As I said, my computer runs fine for a while, and then, it crashes without any reason... I really hope that those things I made last night have had finished this problem, and those crashes don't happen again....

About this indexing thing you mentioned, I disable this in Windows Explorer, right????

Cheers,
Bruno_F

Butch Nackley · 16 April 09, 18:37

Hi

I disabled it in Services.
Control Panel>Administrative Tools>Services>Windows Search
Stop the service first in the Service status: and then select Disabled in the Startup type: drop down list.

I really don't know if it will help at all, but seeing it was running when the crash happened to me, I figured it couldn't hurt.
All it will do is make searching (using Start>Search>For Files or Folder) take longer, since there will be no index for them anymore. It will not in anyway slow your system down and some say it is best to turn it off on a gaming system anyway.

I have had very little trouble from Vista, but this one is a real killer for me. I could put up with almost anything else, but not this.

I just downloaded 182.50 from nVidia, but haven't installed it yet. Hopefully it is just remnants of a older driver version causing it and doing a full uninstall of them will cure it.

jcarno · 16 April 09, 21:12

I forgot to add that with xp I never had the problem. Only started occuring with Vista Ultimate.

Butch Nackley · 16 April 09, 21:33

Yeah, nearly always Vista, best I can tell.
I saw a report of it happening in Win 7 some too.

Butch Nackley · 18 April 09, 03:18

UPDATE

So far I believe I am okay now.
I experienced another crash, again in rFactor, playing offline. rFactor is the only game that has given me the error, and now this makes twice in the last week it has happened.

So I manually uninstalled driver in safe mode.
Booted up and installed 182.50 from nVidia.

I haven't had a crash since. I have spend a good number of hours playing games.
rFactor hasn't crashed again. But except for the two times rF did it this last week, it has never happened before. It has never happened in any other game either.

Anyway, I am going to run rF even more tonight while waiting for the F1 qualy to come on. So far so good, let's hope it is fixed now.

I did none of the tweaks some have done. I only removed all nvxxxxx from my system while in safe mode.
BE CAREFUL IF YOU DO THIS MANUALLY.
If you have a nVidia chipset, you have drivers you need that are not for the graphics card.

Butch Nackley · 23 April 09, 04:43

This crap is still happening for me.

I don't have a clue really. I built it Jan 21 and have had no issues at all. Fallout 3 would crash with nVidia 181.20 and .22. I installed 182.06 a couple months ago and everything had been fine until last week. Now tonight on the last lap of a 41 lap race, screen goes black and system hangs a short time later. Same as before nvlddmkm.sys has stopped working!

I am about this weekend away from joining up with AndrewJ and taking Vista on a skeet shooting venture. Here birdy birdy,,,, KA-BLAM!

Butch Nackley · 23 April 09, 07:06

Hi again
3:00am and I just now got the driver reinstalled.
Here is a shot of where all the nvlddmkm was found, in case someone else needs to manually remove it.
It is a real pain in the butt, because I had to assign myself as Owner for each folder that contained it. There might be a single window that will do this for all files and folders at once, but I was unable to find such a thing. There should be, if there isn't because it takes a lot of time doing it one at a time.
Hopefully now it is really fixed now.

I pretty much cleaned out anything starting with nv. I had missed some of these before, because I was only working within the main System32 folder before.

I did notice some files are not graphics related and I suppose are included in Vista for nForce chipsets. I don't have anything nVidia except my gfx card, so I removed everything. I was at the point I didn't care if the damn thing would even boot again once I tried, but it did and,,,, well, we'll see how it goes.

Burno, I hope you have better luck than I did tracking all this down.

~~AndrewJ~~ · 23 April 09, 07:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Butch Nackley

Hi again
3:00am and I just now got the driver reinstalled.

It is a real pain in the butt, because I had to assign myself as Owner for each folder that contained it. .

Another thing I like about XP if you install it with same owner and user name you have full admin rights from first boot.

3am about the hour when things going wrong you feel
sometimes you wish you never owned a PC.

bruno_f · 23 April 09, 16:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Butch Nackley

Hi again
3:00am and I just now got the driver reinstalled.
Here is a shot of where all the nvlddmkm was found, in case someone else needs to manually remove it.
It is a real pain in the butt, because I had to assign myself as Owner for each folder that contained it. There might be a single window that will do this for all files and folders at once, but I was unable to find such a thing. There should be, if there isn't because it takes a lot of time doing it one at a time.
Hopefully now it is really fixed now.

I pretty much cleaned out anything starting with nv. I had missed some of these before, because I was only working within the main System32 folder before.

I did notice some files are not graphics related and I suppose are included in Vista for nForce chipsets. I don't have anything nVidia except my gfx card, so I removed everything. I was at the point I didn't care if the damn thing would even boot again once I tried, but it did and,,,, well, we'll see how it goes.

Burno, I hope you have better luck than I did tracking all this down.

Butch,
yesterday, after almost a week after I uninstalled drivers, booted to safe mode, ran Driver Sweeper to clean up all remained nvidia files and registry values, reinstalled last forceware whql 182.50, and played a lot of races on-line and off-line, I unfortunatelly got the BSOD again.

As I said, I was not sure if these procedures to reinstall the nvidia drives would work propperly, and now I'm sure they didn't.

I really don't think this is a hardware problem. Just to be sure of this, I'll try to run Ati tools, to search for artifacts on my VGA, but if this test runs fine, I'll discard any hardware problem. I believe this night I'll be ready to "downgrade" to Windows XP 32 bit..... Unfortunatelly, I'll lose 3GB of RAM, but this is a good price to pay for stability, and I believe neighter GTR2 nor GTR evolution need more than 3GB of RAM to run propperly.

I really hope this return to XP solve this problem, mainly because the next race will happen this sunday, and I really don't want to be banned from the game and lose another race. If this really solve all problems, I can wait for the release of Windows 7, to buy it and return to use my full RAM power.... But, as you said, I've read about problems under Windows 7 too.

Cheers
Bruno_F

bruno_f · 23 April 09, 16:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by jcarno

I forgot to add that with xp I never had the problem. Only started occuring with Vista Ultimate.

I'll give this try today.... As my computer is a new one, I've never installed XP on it.... But my previous PC was a nvidia one, running under XP, and I've never seen this happen with it...

I believe this problem is related to software... Maybe directx, I don't know....

I pray this migration back to XP solve my issues definately...

Cheers,
Bruno_F

~~AndrewJ~~ · 24 April 09, 00:22

You have XP 32bit full ? .............WELL INSTALL IT !@!!@!

Run XP from CD and in setup, Delete Only C drive and Recreate, format NFTS quick

You wont have the problem again

bruno_f · 24 April 09, 11:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by AndrewJ

You have XP 32bit full ? .............WELL INSTALL IT !@!!@!

Run XP from CD and in setup, Delete Only C drive and Recreate, format NFTS quick

You wont have the problem again

I just did that yesterday... But I did not test any game, because I first patched the new S.O, and this take a long time....

I'm really hoping this fix my issue, because I've lost 3GB of RAM and more.... As my new computer came without floppy drive, I was unable to enable RAID 0 during XP instalation.... But this is a minor problem, as I have 2 big HD's, and I can deal with this lack of RAID 0 config.... In fact, I didn't feel much difference between non-RAID 0 config and the RAID 0 one....

Tonight, I'll install GTR2 (GTR evo I let it being installed during dawn, as RACE 07 had to be full downloaded from Steam), configure G25 and so, I'll begin tests to see if the problem is killed... I'll keep you informed....

Cheers,
Bruno_F

Butch Nackley · 25 April 09, 19:01

Hi once again guys.

I read some more on this and nVidia wants to point to hardware problems.
Well I did some heavy stress testing over the last couple days.
A dozen loops of Memtest=NO ERRORS
50 loops of Intel Burn Test, using full memory=NO ERRORS temps never over 63*C.
Ran Furmark Stability Test 3 different times=NO ERRORS temps up to 84*C (seems a bit high, maybe ?).

Anyway, not a single issue showed up in any of these test. So I don't think I have any hardware issues.
The real test will come when I have a chance to run rF for a while, which I am going to do this evening.
I have registered over at nVidia's forums. If I do have anymore trouble, I'm going to post over there and see. I took a screenshot of ICB and Furmark results. No way to screen shot Memetest, but if there were any errors, I would report it, as it might have been the problem.

BeepBeep2 · 26 April 09, 01:01

84c for a GPU (especially nvidia, they can't keep those things cool) is completely fine.
nvidia's can take roughly 100*c, (boiling point, heat some tea lol) but trying to keep it under 85 is a good idea.
1-2 passes of memtest is good enough, it's pretty good at finding errors.
(Use memtest86+, its a little better)
I havent gotten this BSOD since the golden days...ie. 140 beta drivers.
8800 GTS 320MB costed me $430 dollars...with a rebate. So sad.

These BSOD's are usually when the driver fails to recover after failing. It could be bad coding, instability, game fault, overheating, lack of GPU power, or Vista for example.

~~AndrewJ~~ · 26 April 09, 03:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeepBeep2

84c for a GPU (especially nvidia, they can't keep those things cool) is completely fine.
nvidia's can take roughly 100*c, (boiling point, heat some tea lol) but trying to keep it under 85 is a good idea..

Mild overclock under 50c

Try 3DMark 1680 16x8x looped but chop out the CPU tests for GPU stress
7,500

Butch Nackley · 26 April 09, 17:31

Hi

I don't have a license for 3DMark, so I have to run it at default.
Furmark heats it up more, and can be set for res and AA. When I ran it I did it at 1920x1200, 16x.
Give it a try Andrew, just to see if your card gets any hotter, or not.

Anyway, my temps are lower in 3DMark and I have never seen them over mid 60's or so in games. Only Furmark heats it up so much.
The GTX 285's max temp is 105*C, so I'm okay as far as heat goes.

I ran rFactor a good bit yesterday and last night. So far I haven't had the problem since I reinstalled the driver. I will take as a good sign, but I'm not going to jump for joy until I can run online events without it happening again. I have a 2 race event tonight in the Meganes.

Anyway, if this continues, I think I will try XP Pro 32bit. Maybe a dual boot configuration. I really hate to do this though, because everything is working great, except this darn game killing issue.

~~AndrewJ~~ · 26 April 09, 22:50

Nice

Getting a GTX275 maybe this week, should be able to knock you off.

9800GTX+ is solid card under 200AU here

~~AndrewJ~~ · 26 April 09, 23:14

Lookout another 2%

edit: This is why my mate begs for me to sell him GTX look at temps

~~AndrewJ~~ · 26 April 09, 23:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Butch Nackley

Hi

Furmark heats it up more, and can be set for res and AA. When I ran it I did it at 1920x1200, 16x.
Give it a try Andrew, just to see if your card gets any hotter, or not.

THANKS HEAPS

Missed this one sure its not at filehippo's damm their hide's

So whats hotter stability or benchmarking

Running in background GPU 825/2500 was 50c hang on I check again seems to be hanging at 53c 10 minutes in now.

Only 22" here mate

Butch Nackley · 27 April 09, 01:37

Probably Stability Test, I read that where ever it was I heard of Furmark.
I haven't run the benchmark. I just wanted to see if my gfx card failed.

GOOD NEWS
I still haven't had the problem and just had rF running for a couple hours.
I have put some hours on it now along with Oblivion, Flight Simulator X and Fallout 3.
Everything is doing great. Still really too soon to say, but the way it was doing, rF would have done it by now, if it kept to it's past pattern.

~~AndrewJ~~ · 27 April 09, 03:43

Yer well I am happy with every sim RBR nascar GPL and the rest all run great
nothing lags or stutters I have the Evo shimmer incar thing but dont seem as bad as some describe or screens I have seen.

Thats the biggest bug I have in a any sims but personally it does not worry me. to busy watching track.

Oh yeah and NV Jag all the crap you go through getting each sim right as you can pain in the arse .

Probably load times too but thats only once a session next time you load RF or Evo takes seconds no biggie.

I think I been happy since Firebirds and GF2

edit; Did I just say firebird ROF ! thunderbird dolt lol

~~AndrewJ~~ · 27 April 09, 04:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Butch Nackley

Probably Stability Test, I read that where ever it was I heard of Furmark.
I haven't run the benchmark. I just wanted to see if my gfx card failed.

GOOD NEWS
I still haven't had the problem and just had rF running for a couple hours.
I have put some hours on it now along with Oblivion, Flight Simulator X and Fallout 3.
Everything is doing great. Still really too soon to say, but the way it was doing, rF would have done it by now, if it kept to it's past pattern.

Yer you can spend too much time with stability testing addictive :p

OCCT GPU test gets my card hottest ( thanks alot Beep !

lol ) but then was only 60c

Secret is start with a clean OS and put only what you know works 101%, nothing you dont need.

When you get it like you have yours now .....you do a Partition image.

Fallout 3

lol ( oh I already bagged you over it, sorry lol ) now you know why they give it away ...... hehehe

New video card and oblivion nude patch Hi Res !@!

edit: Reminds me young bloke with the +4200/8600GT I built came up one day with sims stuttering .
He had school mates around that said they were league experts and played with nvidia and settings on all sims.
Took me a hour to check all test get running fast again. yobbos

~~AndrewJ~~ · 29 April 09, 06:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Butch Nackley

Hi

Anyway, my temps are lower in 3DMark and I have never seen them over mid 60's or so in games. Only Furmark heats it up so much.
The GTX 285's max temp is 105*C, so I'm okay as far as heat goes.
.

I wouldnt let my GTX get to 74C ( your pic) in 3dmark no way I would have manual fans on well before that.

Butch Nackley · 29 April 09, 15:30

Hi again

I did some testing to see about the fan thing. I used to use EVGA Precision just to force the fan up. I never oc my gfx cards.
Anyway, since Furmark was getting it hotter than I had ever seen it, I ran it both with and without forcing the fan speed. Both times the max temp hit 85*C.
So forcing the fan doesn't seem to really matter.

Anyway, so far I have still not had the issue reappear. I am beginning to wonder if EVGA Precision was part of the reason it was happening in the first place, because since I have quit using it to force the fan, I haven't had the problem. I'm not going to run it anymore, just in case.

Like I said earlier, it is still too early to tell for sure. I have another race tonight, (fingers crossed).

Everything I have found about temps on this card tells me even 85*C is perfectly fine and quite normal. Absolutely nothing to worry about.

~~AndrewJ~~ · 29 April 09, 20:52

Nothing to worry about sure

You saying with 100% fan or auto it still ran 85C that dont sound right.

It is under 20C here my Cards at 28C 100% fan
Fan auto (35%)_ temp goes straight to 37C edit: 40C now and thats idle.

Full fan speed lets the GPU heat up slower and lose heat more rapid
You payed for the Fan why not use it.

Its like having thermo fans on your worked motor coming on earlier even though temps are okay.

BeepBeep2 · 29 April 09, 21:04

Stock cooler is designed to run hot to avoid overclocking.
100% fan on a stock nvidia cooler would probably run at least 80c.

My card idles on startup about 45c, load is up in the mid-high 80's with my overclock.

~~AndrewJ~~ · 29 April 09, 21:07

Cracked 17k with 9800 ......just

Funny how people here say .....they compete with a 4850

when you need a Intel 4-5GHz overclock to get 17k from 4850

Butch Nackley · 29 April 09, 21:12

Because, like I said, I am checking to see if this problem appears again without using EVGA Precision forcing my fan to full speed.

So far, without launching it, I have not had the problem. For now I will continue to run it without forcing the fan, just to see if it happens again. If it does, then I will know for certain it has nothing to do with EVGA Precision. If it doesn't happen again, then all is good.
Since I have been assured that 85c is about right for this card running Furmark stability test, I have no fear of overheating. And, it has only been Furmark that brought the temps up that high anyway, games do not, that I have seen and I have checked many times.
I have read of temps as high as mid 90's while running Furmark. That's one of the things it is suppose to do, push the card to it's limit to check for any errors.

~~AndrewJ~~ · 29 April 09, 21:18

My 9800GTX at full fan full load dont even see 60C

Sure I could turn fan to 35% at it would be okay but temp would be 80C

Why stress it for no good reasons

~~AndrewJ~~ · 29 April 09, 21:22

I NEVER said you need to have Fan 100%

While I overclocking hard GPU at 60C or 80C ?

Elementary

BeepBeep2 · 29 April 09, 21:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by AndrewJ

Cracked 17k with 9800 ......just

Funny how people here say .....they compete with a 4850

when you need a Intel 4-5GHz overclock to get 17k from 4850

I assure you if I had a 940 with my 4850 on WinXP I could do 18k.

~~AndrewJ~~ · 29 April 09, 21:43

18k ...............mmm mabee

5GHz Intel dont do 18k anyways

Fan 35% - 40C
Fan 100% - 29C

Why wouldnt I use 100%

very

~~AndrewJ~~ · 29 April 09, 21:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeepBeep2

I assure you if I had a 940 with my 4850 on WinXP I could do 18k.

17k - 18k whats 6% among friends

29C - 40C - 35%

BeepBeep2 · 30 April 09, 00:26

They are fine to 105c, you are not even half way there

lol

Butch Nackley · 30 April 09, 01:14

Well
Another sucessful 2hours in rFactor

I am really starting to get confidence back in this thing.
And no, I was not running EVGA Precison.
Again, I still have no idea if that had anything to do with it, or if was only due to the cleaning out of all 'nv' stuff from my system in safe mode (most likely).
However, since I know I don't need to run EVGA anyway, I ain't going to.

BeepBeep2 · 30 April 09, 01:17

Congrats.

Enjoy your card.

~~AndrewJ~~ · 30 April 09, 01:30

Yer np Beep I agree with what you say, for mine still I dont see the point of getting it hotter then need be.

Sound, mmm I really do not care I have 5 case fans at Hi plus ninja 120

lol

Bearing wear from higher fanspeed YES thats possible more likely with dusty case at any fanspeed but.....

Extra power ?

Butch
You run stock clocks no need for EVGA Precison
Install / Unistall wont affect anything.
Running at startup is np and not a resource hog.
Its the least instrusive off any other 3rd party overclocker I used.

15 April 09, 14:55	#1
bruno_f Join Date: Sep 2007	nvlddmkm.sys - BSOD People, does anybody here faced driver problems in Windows Vista, reffered to this nvlddmkm.sys???? I'm really troubled by this driver, as it makes my computer crashes aleatory, when I'm training.... It happens both to GTR2 and GTR Evo.... This computer crash lead to a BSOD, and happened in a middle of one championship race I was competing.... I'd make the pole-position and was in 2nd when computer crashed.... I searched google to solutions to this problem, and I got suprised with the amount of links related, and more, the amount of "solutions" users around the world give to this.... And worst, these "solutions" don't work fine for most users.... So, I'm in deep trouble, and I'm looking to find somebody who really know how to fix it... Cheers, Bruno_F

15 April 09, 21:54	#10
jcarno Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: UpState N.Y. Age: 49	http://www.nvlddmkm.com/ Try this page out. I did everything on there and it cured the problem. I no longer get the nv error. However, that wasn't a very smart way of going about it. I was pissed off at the time from getting the error and just started at the top and worked my way down. If I were to do it today, I would probably do one thing at a time and test it. Last edited by jcarno; 15 April 09 at 21:59.

25 April 09, 19:01	#26
Butch Nackley Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Clearwater, Florida Age: 51	Hi once again guys. I read some more on this and nVidia wants to point to hardware problems. Well I did some heavy stress testing over the last couple days. A dozen loops of Memtest=NO ERRORS 50 loops of Intel Burn Test, using full memory=NO ERRORS temps never over 63C. Ran Furmark Stability Test 3 different times=NO ERRORS temps up to 84C (seems a bit high, maybe ?). Anyway, not a single issue showed up in any of these test. So I don't think I have any hardware issues. The real test will come when I have a chance to run rF for a while, which I am going to do this evening. I have registered over at nVidia's forums. If I do have anymore trouble, I'm going to post over there and see. I took a screenshot of ICB and Furmark results. No way to screen shot Memetest, but if there were any errors, I would report it, as it might have been the problem. Last edited by Butch Nackley; 25 April 09 at 20:32.

15 April 09, 15:01	#2
Khan1670 Uploader Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Toronto, ON, Canada	That's a Nvidia Driver for your video card. Do you update your drivers? I used to get a lot of problems from this driver a long time ago but these have been fixed as far as I know. When I did have these problems turning off the Aero interface got rid of them.

15 April 09, 15:20	#3
triskele10 Join Date: Nov 2008 Age: 49	The only thing that helpt for me was installing XP. I tried every thing I found on the internet for month and nothing was working. Even with Windows 7 it happend.

15 April 09, 15:35	#4
Kneegrow Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Indiana	Go to Nvidia and get the latest driver. Uninstall your current driver. Don't reboot yet. Go to windows/system32/drivers and delete nvlddmkm.sys Reboot and install new driver, you must do this EVERYTIME you update Vista/NV drivers. NV knows about the issue yet has failed to resolve the buggy drivers for 32/64 Vista.

15 April 09, 16:30	#5
JasonSix Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: North Carolina Age: 35	I had this problem last week and since then I've updated my drivers to the latest WHQL ones from Nvidia's website. Go here and download Driver Sweeper: (http://www.guru3d.com/category/driversweeper/) And then here for the latest Drivers: (http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-us) Install Driver Sweeper. Go to Control Panel then Uninstall. Find Nvidia in the Uninstall list and tell it to remove Display driver only. Next Reboot in to safe mode (tap F8 while your PC is rebooting until you get the Safe Mode menu) Once in safe mode run Driver Sweeper and remove the leftover Nvidia display drivers. I usually install the new Display Driver while I'm in safe mode but you can either do it from Safe Mode or just reboot and then install them.

15 April 09, 23:01	#11
BeepBeep2 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Ohio, USA Age: 17	I used to get this at least once a month on my old 8800GTS 320MB. Especially back in 2007 when Vista was new and flashy, and nvidia had not learned to make a proper driver.

15 April 09, 23:36	#12
~~AndrewJ~~ Banned Join Date: Jan 2009	Never had the problem in XP add/remove, reboot, install any WHQL driver and run baseline fps np. Vista well thats another thing still cant find the fascination even with new cpu. Everything runs slower for me also tried XP SP3 again just for my curiosity ...what a dog Lost 300-400 marks with netframe and rest of crap While I said fps in sims not that important i dont give away default ones, nuh Also tried 64bit XP and Vista again I dont know about intel but AMD quads flog in XP-SP2 lol

16 April 09, 06:10	#13
Butch Nackley Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Clearwater, Florida Age: 51	I got this same error tonight. it's the first time it has happened. I'm using 182.06 driver and have been since it was released. Vista x64. SP1 was suppose to include a fix for it, but it doesn't seem to really fix it. I guess it lessened it some, as said, it is the first time I have seen it. I did some searching, but didn't find anything that is suppose to really fix it. I'm going to look over the link jcarno posted above. It happened to me with rFactor, shortly after joining a online session. I rebooted and rejoined and everything was fine again, but now I'm worried it could happen again. Like you Burno, I race online in league championships. My results suck enough when everything is good, I don't need this keeping me from getting any scraps the top dogs may leave behind I'm going to reinstall the driver again. Probably get the newest one too while I'm at it. I will be sure to remove everything from this one first. I never really worried about booting to safe mode and manually removing them, but I that was with XP. Well, that's not entirely true. I used to do it that way a long time ago, but quit doing it and until now, never a problem simply removing the old one from add/remove, reboot and installing the new one. One thing I did notice. Indexing was doing it's thing pretty heavily before the crash tonight. I first noticed my HDD light was constantly on. I have now turned indexing off. I don't know if indexing has anything to do with it, but normally my HDD light rarely blinks when rFactor is loaded. Tonight before the crash if was lite up like a flashlight.

16 April 09, 18:37	#15
Butch Nackley Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Clearwater, Florida Age: 51	Hi I disabled it in Services. Control Panel>Administrative Tools>Services>Windows Search Stop the service first in the Service status: and then select Disabled in the Startup type: drop down list. I really don't know if it will help at all, but seeing it was running when the crash happened to me, I figured it couldn't hurt. All it will do is make searching (using Start>Search>For Files or Folder) take longer, since there will be no index for them anymore. It will not in anyway slow your system down and some say it is best to turn it off on a gaming system anyway. I have had very little trouble from Vista, but this one is a real killer for me. I could put up with almost anything else, but not this. I just downloaded 182.50 from nVidia, but haven't installed it yet. Hopefully it is just remnants of a older driver version causing it and doing a full uninstall of them will cure it.

16 April 09, 21:12	#16
jcarno Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: UpState N.Y. Age: 49	I forgot to add that with xp I never had the problem. Only started occuring with Vista Ultimate.

16 April 09, 21:33	#17
Butch Nackley Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Clearwater, Florida Age: 51	Yeah, nearly always Vista, best I can tell. I saw a report of it happening in Win 7 some too.

18 April 09, 03:18	#18
Butch Nackley Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Clearwater, Florida Age: 51	UPDATE So far I believe I am okay now. I experienced another crash, again in rFactor, playing offline. rFactor is the only game that has given me the error, and now this makes twice in the last week it has happened. So I manually uninstalled driver in safe mode. Booted up and installed 182.50 from nVidia. I haven't had a crash since. I have spend a good number of hours playing games. rFactor hasn't crashed again. But except for the two times rF did it this last week, it has never happened before. It has never happened in any other game either. Anyway, I am going to run rF even more tonight while waiting for the F1 qualy to come on. So far so good, let's hope it is fixed now. I did none of the tweaks some have done. I only removed all nvxxxxx from my system while in safe mode. BE CAREFUL IF YOU DO THIS MANUALLY. If you have a nVidia chipset, you have drivers you need that are not for the graphics card.

23 April 09, 04:43	#19
Butch Nackley Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Clearwater, Florida Age: 51	This crap is still happening for me. I don't have a clue really. I built it Jan 21 and have had no issues at all. Fallout 3 would crash with nVidia 181.20 and .22. I installed 182.06 a couple months ago and everything had been fine until last week. Now tonight on the last lap of a 41 lap race, screen goes black and system hangs a short time later. Same as before nvlddmkm.sys has stopped working! I am about this weekend away from joining up with AndrewJ and taking Vista on a skeet shooting venture. Here birdy birdy,,,, KA-BLAM!

24 April 09, 00:22	#24
~~AndrewJ~~ Banned Join Date: Jan 2009	You have XP 32bit full ? .............WELL INSTALL IT !@!!@! Run XP from CD and in setup, Delete Only C drive and Recreate, format NFTS quick You wont have the problem again

26 April 09, 01:01	#27
BeepBeep2 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Ohio, USA Age: 17	84c for a GPU (especially nvidia, they can't keep those things cool) is completely fine. nvidia's can take roughly 100*c, (boiling point, heat some tea lol) but trying to keep it under 85 is a good idea. 1-2 passes of memtest is good enough, it's pretty good at finding errors. (Use memtest86+, its a little better) I havent gotten this BSOD since the golden days...ie. 140 beta drivers. 8800 GTS 320MB costed me $430 dollars...with a rebate. So sad. These BSOD's are usually when the driver fails to recover after failing. It could be bad coding, instability, game fault, overheating, lack of GPU power, or Vista for example.

27 April 09, 01:37	#33
Butch Nackley Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Clearwater, Florida Age: 51	Probably Stability Test, I read that where ever it was I heard of Furmark. I haven't run the benchmark. I just wanted to see if my gfx card failed. GOOD NEWS I still haven't had the problem and just had rF running for a couple hours. I have put some hours on it now along with Oblivion, Flight Simulator X and Fallout 3. Everything is doing great. Still really too soon to say, but the way it was doing, rF would have done it by now, if it kept to it's past pattern.

27 April 09, 03:43	#34
~~AndrewJ~~ Banned Join Date: Jan 2009	Yer well I am happy with every sim RBR nascar GPL and the rest all run great nothing lags or stutters I have the Evo shimmer incar thing but dont seem as bad as some describe or screens I have seen. Thats the biggest bug I have in a any sims but personally it does not worry me. to busy watching track. Oh yeah and NV Jag all the crap you go through getting each sim right as you can pain in the arse . Probably load times too but thats only once a session next time you load RF or Evo takes seconds no biggie. I think I been happy since Firebirds and GF2 edit; Did I just say firebird ROF ! thunderbird dolt lol

29 April 09, 15:30	#37
Butch Nackley Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Clearwater, Florida Age: 51	Hi again I did some testing to see about the fan thing. I used to use EVGA Precision just to force the fan up. I never oc my gfx cards. Anyway, since Furmark was getting it hotter than I had ever seen it, I ran it both with and without forcing the fan speed. Both times the max temp hit 85C. So forcing the fan doesn't seem to really matter. Anyway, so far I have still not had the issue reappear. I am beginning to wonder if EVGA Precision was part of the reason it was happening in the first place, because since I have quit using it to force the fan, I haven't had the problem. I'm not going to run it anymore, just in case. Like I said earlier, it is still too early to tell for sure. I have another race tonight, (fingers crossed). Everything I have found about temps on this card tells me even 85C is perfectly fine and quite normal. Absolutely nothing to worry about.

29 April 09, 20:52	#38
~~AndrewJ~~ Banned Join Date: Jan 2009	Nothing to worry about sure You saying with 100% fan or auto it still ran 85C that dont sound right. It is under 20C here my Cards at 28C 100% fan Fan auto (35%)_ temp goes straight to 37C edit: 40C now and thats idle. Full fan speed lets the GPU heat up slower and lose heat more rapid You payed for the Fan why not use it. Its like having thermo fans on your worked motor coming on earlier even though temps are okay.

29 April 09, 21:04	#39
BeepBeep2 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Ohio, USA Age: 17	Stock cooler is designed to run hot to avoid overclocking. 100% fan on a stock nvidia cooler would probably run at least 80c. My card idles on startup about 45c, load is up in the mid-high 80's with my overclock.

29 April 09, 21:12	#41
Butch Nackley Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Clearwater, Florida Age: 51	Because, like I said, I am checking to see if this problem appears again without using EVGA Precision forcing my fan to full speed. So far, without launching it, I have not had the problem. For now I will continue to run it without forcing the fan, just to see if it happens again. If it does, then I will know for certain it has nothing to do with EVGA Precision. If it doesn't happen again, then all is good. Since I have been assured that 85c is about right for this card running Furmark stability test, I have no fear of overheating. And, it has only been Furmark that brought the temps up that high anyway, games do not, that I have seen and I have checked many times. I have read of temps as high as mid 90's while running Furmark. That's one of the things it is suppose to do, push the card to it's limit to check for any errors.

29 April 09, 21:18	#42
~~AndrewJ~~ Banned Join Date: Jan 2009	My 9800GTX at full fan full load dont even see 60C Sure I could turn fan to 35% at it would be okay but temp would be 80C Why stress it for no good reasons

29 April 09, 21:22	#43
~~AndrewJ~~ Banned Join Date: Jan 2009	I NEVER said you need to have Fan 100% While I overclocking hard GPU at 60C or 80C ? Elementary

30 April 09, 00:26	#47
BeepBeep2 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Ohio, USA Age: 17	They are fine to 105c, you are not even half way there lol

30 April 09, 01:14	#48
Butch Nackley Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Clearwater, Florida Age: 51	Well Another sucessful 2hours in rFactor I am really starting to get confidence back in this thing. And no, I was not running EVGA Precison. Again, I still have no idea if that had anything to do with it, or if was only due to the cleaning out of all 'nv' stuff from my system in safe mode (most likely). However, since I know I don't need to run EVGA anyway, I ain't going to.

30 April 09, 01:17	#49
BeepBeep2 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Ohio, USA Age: 17	Congrats. Enjoy your card.

30 April 09, 01:30	#50
~~AndrewJ~~ Banned Join Date: Jan 2009	Yer np Beep I agree with what you say, for mine still I dont see the point of getting it hotter then need be. Sound, mmm I really do not care I have 5 case fans at Hi plus ninja 120 lol Bearing wear from higher fanspeed YES thats possible more likely with dusty case at any fanspeed but..... Extra power ? Butch You run stock clocks no need for EVGA Precison Install / Unistall wont affect anything. Running at startup is np and not a resource hog. Its the least instrusive off any other 3rd party overclocker I used.