Realfeel in NAGT

gold333 · 25 April 09, 00:46

I have a G25. I have set realfeel to 0 smoothing, steeringdamper at 11500 and in game strength at low; like everyone advises.

When I use the realfeel upgrade from the ingame menu and set the MaxForceAtSteeringRack to 3000 like the readme says, the steering feels:

loose, wooden, unreactive. Like the hollywood movies where you swing the steering wheel left and right off centre and the car hardly changes direction at all.

When you set the maxforceatsteeringrack to 1500 the car is a joy to drive, you feel everything the car is doing, realfeel nirvana...

Why this discrepancy, and why would the makers suggest a value that makes the FFB feel so bad?

ermax · 25 April 09, 12:49

Yep, the sugested values are way to high. I think I remember running something like 1800. But the good news is NAGT works really well with RealFeel.

Niels_at_home · 25 April 09, 13:17

your best bet is to run rfactor in a small window and enable the realfeel console. Then take a look at the occuring steering rack force as you go round a fast bend. That value should approx. be your max force setting. Setting max force lower will 'clip' the force feedback which from a realism point of view isn't good.

Forces can sometimes be weak, but thats a limit of the G25; only so much you can get out of a 'toy', at least it can't break our thumbs..

gold333 · 25 April 09, 16:43

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Originally Posted by Niels_at_home

your best bet is to run rfactor in a small window and enable the realfeel console. Then take a look at the occuring steering rack force as you go round a fast bend. That value should approx. be your max force setting. Setting max force lower will 'clip' the force feedback which from a realism point of view isn't good.

Forces can sometimes be weak, but thats a limit of the G25; only so much you can get out of a 'toy', at least it can't break our thumbs..

I don't think it's a hardware issue, the G25 can put out considerable weight and feel at force 1500. I think it's more a coding issue.

Basically you can set the maxforce to not exceed 100% (around 3500) for extreme cases like cornering high speed, high G over a bumpy surface, and have the other 97% of the time your driving feel sloppy and unresponsive.

Or you can set the max force to exceed 100% occasionally (around 2000-2250) in extreme situations and feel tight, precise and heavy 97% of the other time.

Personally I prefer the precise feel of a low max force, but I'm still experimenting. (There's nothing worse than a sloppy feel to the wheel)

Niels_at_home · 25 April 09, 16:54

Yeah I agree a compromise can be made for downforce cars where the FFB would otherwise be very weak at lower speeds.

TICTOC · 25 April 09, 17:20

Personally I use the keyboard shortcuts for RealFeel while I'm driving,
I've found too that some 'suggested' settings can feel like the first
10 odd degrees of rotation of the wheel in a direction aren't giving
me any 'communication' from the car.

Some mods too, the damping is crazy; you get little to no feel from
the weight transfer of the veichle, yet over bumps or ripple strips you
swear the wheel's liable to shake your desk apart.

25 April 09, 00:46	#1
gold333 Join Date: Oct 2008	Realfeel in NAGT I have a G25. I have set realfeel to 0 smoothing, steeringdamper at 11500 and in game strength at low; like everyone advises. When I use the realfeel upgrade from the ingame menu and set the MaxForceAtSteeringRack to 3000 like the readme says, the steering feels: loose, wooden, unreactive. Like the hollywood movies where you swing the steering wheel left and right off centre and the car hardly changes direction at all. When you set the maxforceatsteeringrack to 1500 the car is a joy to drive, you feel everything the car is doing, realfeel nirvana... Why this discrepancy, and why would the makers suggest a value that makes the FFB feel so bad?

25 April 09, 12:49	#2
ermax Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Jacksonville, FL (USA) Age: 36	Yep, the sugested values are way to high. I think I remember running something like 1800. But the good news is NAGT works really well with RealFeel.

25 April 09, 13:17	#3
Niels_at_home Join Date: Aug 2005 Age: 33	your best bet is to run rfactor in a small window and enable the realfeel console. Then take a look at the occuring steering rack force as you go round a fast bend. That value should approx. be your max force setting. Setting max force lower will 'clip' the force feedback which from a realism point of view isn't good. Forces can sometimes be weak, but thats a limit of the G25; only so much you can get out of a 'toy', at least it can't break our thumbs..

25 April 09, 16:54	#5
Niels_at_home Join Date: Aug 2005 Age: 33	Yeah I agree a compromise can be made for downforce cars where the FFB would otherwise be very weak at lower speeds.

25 April 09, 17:20	#6
TICTOC Uploader Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Melbourne, Australia Age: 45	Personally I use the keyboard shortcuts for RealFeel while I'm driving, I've found too that some 'suggested' settings can feel like the first 10 odd degrees of rotation of the wheel in a direction aren't giving me any 'communication' from the car. Some mods too, the damping is crazy; you get little to no feel from the weight transfer of the veichle, yet over bumps or ripple strips you swear the wheel's liable to shake your desk apart.