StarForce and GTL in Windows 7 RC1

[geremix]

I'm first applied the nodvd patch (game****word), downloaded GTL_light, exctracted and copyed the intered folder's contents on my original GTL folder. it work perfectly in offline and online mode.
Enjoy! whit W7

[MatyxCZ]

Installed W7, didn't install GTL, and made sure I finally do remember to never ever buy starforce protected game anymore. Only had troubles with it, it's breakable as anything else and only makes the customer/end user beaten. Steam activated games rulz, so I'm staying with Race07/STCC/RaceOn

[vlevi]

"GTL_light"
Is it the German version?

[Luke9583]

This is everything I have been able to get out of Starforce

Originally Posted by me

Hello Star Force,

I am a starving college students, but I found it necessary to open my wallet for a copy of GT Legends (could not find my old copy )

Windows 7 is telling me that your driver is not signed. This is the first issue I have ever had with windows 7 compatibility.

Can you please point me toward the solution? I really miss this game.

-Luke

Originally Posted by starforce

Hello Luke,

This game is protected with too old version of protection system and won't run on Windows 7. You should contact the product customer support service and ask them to make a patch, which will either update protection system version or remove protection at all. Unfortunately, we can't build such a patch on our side since we have neither legal authority to produce any patches nor original game files required for that.

Sorry for the inconveniences.

Thank you for contacting our support group!

Originally Posted by me

Hello Dmitriy,

How can I disable Starforce's driver. It is starforce's driver that is keeping me from playing a game that I purchased...

-Luke

Originally Posted by starforce

Luke,

In order to solve compatibility issue you can either just update the existing installed in your PC drivers using "sfdrvup.exe" from here:
http://www.star-force.com/support/drivers/ ; Run it and reboot your PC after it.

Or you can uninstall the drivers but this driver will be re-installed as soon as you launch the application again and will need the updating after it.
The following procedure will ensure that all StarForce related components are completely removed from your system.

1. Download the SFREMOVE tool as a ZIP archive: http://www.star-force.com/support/sfdrvrem.zip

2. Extract and store sfdrvrem.exe anywhere on your hard disk.

3. Run sfdrvrem.exe.

But it doesn't help to run the game under Windows7 since it's protected with old version of Protection System and the driver can't be disabled.

Please contact game customer support with this issue.

Thank you for contacting our support group!

Originally Posted by me

Hello again Dmitriy,

Thank you for the instructions.

I have tried these steps.

Windows explicitly tells me that the problem is with the Starforce driver not being signed. Why would I contact Simbin or 10tacle because of a Starforce driver issue?

Please excuse my ignorance,

Originally Posted by Starforce

Hello,

You should contact with publisher because this game is protected with too old version of protection system (therefore Starforce driver say the one is not being signed) and won't run on Windows 7. But the publisher can release path which will either update protection system version. Unfortunately, we can't build such a patch on our side since we have neither legal authority to produce any patches nor original game files required for that.

---
Best regards,
Sergei Bashkov

Originally Posted by me

Hello Sergey,

I received a similar email from Dmitriy. I appreciate any information. Please let me make sure we are talking about the same issue though Sergey.

I own many SimBin games. GTR, GTR2, GTRevo, Race07, Caterhamrace, WTC07.... the list goes on.

The only game that does not work is GT Legends. Windows specifically says this is an issue with Starforce. This does not sound like a reason for me to contact Simbin.

-Luke

I think there is actually a language barrier issue.

Even MS knows there is an issue. lmao

[GearChange]

Originally Posted by totorman

For now i managed to do GTL work on Win 7 64 bits (final) with some little tips :

1) get a noDVD (i can't tell you how)
2) create a batch file named GTL_WIN7.CMD with these lines and put it into GTL folder

forfiles /s /m *.GDB /c "cmd /c rename @fname.GDB @fname.gdb"
start GTL

3) use this CMD file to launch GTL.
If you use this file to launch GTL, feel free to install all tracks and addons cars, since the GDB files will be auto-renamed to gdb each time you launch the game.

4) play online with your serial as always

I dont know why the game is claiming that .GDB files aren't the same that .gdb ones ... but it works on my PC.

Now i no more get the error message that the server runs an newer version than me

thanks for the info,,works a treat

[paraDIABOLICA]

Originally Posted by totorman

For now i managed to do GTL work on Win 7 64 bits (final) with some little tips :

1) get a noDVD (i can't tell you how)
2) create a batch file named GTL_WIN7.CMD with these lines and put it into GTL folder

forfiles /s /m *.GDB /c "cmd /c rename @fname.GDB @fname.gdb"
start GTL

3) use this CMD file to launch GTL.
If you use this file to launch GTL, feel free to install all tracks and addons cars, since the GDB files will be auto-renamed to gdb each time you launch the game.

4) play online with your serial as always

I dont know why the game is claiming that .GDB files aren't the same that .gdb ones ... but it works on my PC.

Now i no more get the error message that the server runs an newer version than me

The thing works fine except for the ingame sounds: i cannot hear any engine sound, mine and other cars'. i have a 32bits win 7... Can u help me? Thx

p.s. i made no starforce update...

[David Wright]

There is a fairly well known saying - "If all else fails - read the instructions"

i.e. read the instructions that come with the no DVD.

[paraDIABOLICA]

Originally Posted by David Wright

There is a fairly well known saying - "If all else fails - read the instructions"

i.e. read the instructions that come with the no DVD.

u're right! i forgot to read the instructions and left behind 1 step to do! Thx, for your advice: u solved my problem!

[redi]

From the StarForce website:

Protection versions below 5.5 do not support Windows 7.
Users of products that protected with 3.x/4.x/5.0 versions should contact the protected program developers or publishers to obtain Windows 7 patches, or use previous Windows version to run the products.

Says it all really. Unless the publisher of GTL (10Tacle, RIP) comes with a patch, GTL will not work with Win7. So I won't have high hopes that this will ever happen.

[e-lindman]

If you could make win7 accept "un-signed" drivers,I guess there woulden be any StarForce problems. Sad you cant choose by youre selfe whether you should accept or deny "un-signed" drivers in win7.

I run win7 ultimate my selfe and if there not will be a patch or such, I see no other optin than be illegal and crack the game... (and that would be really sad, cuz simbin is a great company who has provided us whid such a great games like GTL, GTR etcetera, etcetera. It would be a shame to disadvantage them.

sorry for bad english

[AndrewJ]

Originally Posted by Mikec87

So, I have it on XP on my other HDD.

Thats all you EVER do .....................

But oh everytime I used to mention that as a fix

"You think I am silly !@@!

I dont want 2 OSes !@@!
I dont want to update 2 OS !@!
its too much drama !@! "
blah blah blah !@@!


You cant win no matter what you tell them.
hehehe


edit:


*** My advice these days is not 2 hardrives anyway, thats old skool. lol

Rather a XP image Of C drive made with TrueImage and use the same GTL folder
and swap from XP to W7 in minutes.


Difference....... only one GTL ?
Why have to updated 2 GTL folders/installs. ?
Thats more work then looking after 2 OS.

errr ....imho




edit

Sorry 2 GTLs was a bad example. ( obvious if it dont work in W7 sorry )
What I meant to say is if you run 2 OS no reasons you cant run most sims on both.
Then I found too much time updating 2 folders.
SO I use one folder for each sim now but 3 OS.

Off course not much of a idea for people that online say Race07 I could see that being
as much trouble as 2 copies of a sim as you constantly updating C drive/docs etc I think ?

However I offline only and I like EA, GPL Nascar GTL ( mine runs anyway) and all the rest in both OS to test.

I find images the best way but its not for everyone.


PICS sorry shitty camera.

All Oses use same 50GB C drive formatted in XP
images of Retail XP2-32BIT, updated SP3 for GTA, Retail Home Prem 32 and 64BIT
XP W732Bit restore 2 minutes lol
W7 64bit 5 minutes

[EAKMotorsports]

hmm

[JoeSlow]

Originally Posted by AndrewJ

Thats all you EVER do .....................

That's all you do to run GTL?
I think that's pretty much!

Did I get you right?
You swap from one OS to the other by deleting the first and restoring the second from an image?
Don't you update your OSs?
If you do so, you have at least once a month to rebuild your OS images, so they are up to date.

That's pretty much work for running a game, isn't it?
I mean, I like to play GTL, but after all it's only a game.
I'm running Vista 64, so I can play GTL and I enjoy playing it.
But if I would make the decision to install Win 7 and there's no way to play GTL, I won't play GTL.

It's sad that no one (neither Simbin nor 10tacle) looked after the problems with coming OSs.

[David Wright]

Originally Posted by JoeSlow

It's sad that no one (neither Simbin nor 10tacle) looked after the problems with coming OSs.

Don't you think Microsoft has most of the responsibility?

[JoeSlow]

Originally Posted by David Wright

Don't you think Microsoft has most of the responsibility?

That might be, but I think, they only take care of their OS.
They don't want people to install uncertified drivers.

I think the responsibility of Simbin or 10tacle would have been to provide a patch that updates or removes SF copy protection drivers.

[David Wright]

Originally Posted by JoeSlow

I think the responsibility of Simbin or 10tacle would have been to provide a patch that updates or removes SF copy protection drivers.

10Tacle went bust so they can't do anything (though I doubt they would have in any case) and Simbin don't own the game - it is owned by 10Tacle - so they can't change the game.

Have Codemasters produced a Win 7 patch for Race Driver 2?

[Original Nutta]

I must be doing something wrong because I have GTL running on windows 7 ultimate 64bit and it works online. Admittedly I have to use the no-cd but it works .

The steps I think I followed were:

Install Game
Install Patch
(this is where it gets hazy)
I mucked around with starforce and found out the version was not compatable with win7.

Then used the no dvd patch and that was it I can run GTL in win7 64bit.

I would go through it again so I could post a more reliable guide but I don't want to risk it. If I can get it to run with the limited knowledge I have it should not be to hard.

[AndrewJ]

Originally Posted by JoeSlow

That's all you do to run GTL?
I think that's pretty much!

Did I get you right?
You swap from one OS to the other by deleting the first and restoring the second from an image?
Don't you update your OSs?
If you do so, you have at least once a month to rebuild your OS images, so they are up to date.

That's pretty much work for running a game, isn't it?
I mean, I like to play GTL, but after all it's only a game.
I'm running Vista 64, so I can play GTL and I enjoy playing it.
But if I would make the decision to install Win 7 and there's no way to play GTL, I won't play GTL.

It's sad that no one (neither Simbin nor 10tacle) looked after the problems with coming OSs.

I dont do it just for GTL actually i dont need to do it for GTL at all. It runs 100% in W7

Whatever OS i run at the time is always updated off course,
whenever I swap to another OS I backup then restore.

My Original 100% images are never polluted I will make 3 /4 running backups of a single OS just testing software.

I dont mind having 5/6 backups of XP they are less then 2Gb each whats that when you have TBs ?

I get alot of fun out of being able to boot any OS or any combination I like when I like, in minutes.

I have images with certain ATI driver do you know its fastest to run a image then uninstall and reinsalll even a single driver ?
I have the space to waste.

I see threads and threads of people spend hours days trying to sort problems
too scared or could not be bothered doing a fresh OS and dismiss it as a answer.

Full backups I can restore any OS in minutes not hours or days


The concept goes over the top of most people heads , suppose it helps to be a bit mad. lol

[Pizzaman]

Originally Posted by David Wright

Don't you think Microsoft has most of the responsibility?

Nah, it is all our own fault for wanting to run old games on new systems.

Do you know what they told me when I wanted a car without AIRBAGS and with METAL BUMPERS:
They told me to the outta there...

[AndrewJ]

Originally Posted by Pizzaman

Nah, it is all our own fault for wanting to run old games on new systems.

Too true :p

Lets refresh GTL with bad starforce. :p

1. Use W7 dont run it
2. Use XP run it
3. Get right version on Ebay
4. Dualboot
5. Run 2 HDDs swap in bios
6. Run one hardrive with XP and W7 images and any others you care even dualboot ones ........

I like my way however I only do it because I can run all sims from single offline folders on the one partiton with any OS I like in minutes.

So I admit its hardly for anyone never said it was

Alot more people since W7 seem to be using 2 HDDs which is what i advised back in 98-XP days and got bagged for it. lol

2 HDDs swapping more then 2 OS images could get messy for me.
To swap hardrives is a reboot plus a few seconds
A image backup is a reboot plus a few minutes
With one HDD you dont have to worry about swapping boot orders
or cross synching stuff, exp with error correcting software, AV etc
Unless you are going to have both OS connected at the sametime
( which I dont recommend for above reasons ) you would need to update 2 copies of sims you want to run on both HDD . ...which sounds like a gaint waste of time to me ( and alot like something I used to do myself hehehehe ) so hardly arogant

I worked out for me it was better to run images and all OS from the same sim folder same hardrive. I now run the hadrive i used to use for another OS and duplcate sim folders as extended partitions for backup.

Once you take the time set up the 2 OS from fresh and image them .......its childs play from there.


One thing I did find interesting I was saving all images on local hardrive and found it slowed defrag too much so I tried e-sata and put backups on the extended drive.
Its halved backup time.
My XP image restore now takes 60 seconds W7 takes 3-4minutes

Images have been invalueable to me lately testing the latest ATi drivers and hotffixes in OSes

[superb3rra]

I've made it work!

However, I had to download no-dvd crack

[T3hReaper]

Originally Posted by totorman

For now i managed to do GTL work on Win 7 64 bits (final) with some little tips :

1) get a noDVD (i can't tell you how)
2) create a batch file named GTL_WIN7.CMD with these lines and put it into GTL folder

forfiles /s /m *.GDB /c "cmd /c rename @fname.GDB @fname.gdb"
start GTL

3) use this CMD file to launch GTL.
If you use this file to launch GTL, feel free to install all tracks and addons cars, since the GDB files will be auto-renamed to gdb each time you launch the game.

4) play online with your serial as always

I dont know why the game is claiming that .GDB files aren't the same that .gdb ones ... but it works on my PC.

Now i no more get the error message that the server runs an newer version than me

Works a treat thanks.

Will get mods now and will hopefully see you guys online soon

[e-lindman]

After I installed the no-dvdcrack (2008) and removed starforce the engine sounds were disabled, but I found a solution to that problem, but now, when I drive some cars the engine sound is "laggy" on high rpm. Like brrrrrrrrrrrrrr(very-short-pause)brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr(very-short-pause)brrrrrrrrrrrrr(very-short-pause)...
Anyone who had experience the same issue?
os:
win7 ultimate 64-bit

sorry for bad english

[David Wright]

Originally Posted by e-lindman

After I installed the no-dvdcrack (2008) and removed starforce the engine sounds were disabled, but I found a solution to that problem, but now, when I drive some cars the engine sound is "laggy" on high rpm. Like brrrrrrrrrrrrrr(very-short-pause)brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr(very-short-pause)brrrrrrrrrrrrr(very-short-pause)...
Anyone who had experience the same issue?
os:
win7 ultimate 64-bit

sorry for bad english

Yes. The sound files supplied with the crack are faulty.

[CED50]

Originally Posted by David Wright

Use XP

I'm buying a new PC next week and thats what I'm installing.

I still have a PC with old Win 98 to play GP3 and GP2 from Microprose!!

[pitradio]

Why is it that Nogrip doesn't offer the patch/crack on this site, but they do offer the (also illegal) no-cd patch for GTR2? While GTR2 is working fine with Windows 7.

[redi]

Originally Posted by pitradio

Why is it that Nogrip doesn't offer the patch/crack on this site, but they do offer the (also illegal) no-cd patch for GTR2? While GTR2 is working fine with Windows 7.

I'm not so sure that the GTR2 patch is illegal. And for Vista users it's a must-have to get v1.1 working

[dartguy]

And for Win 7 users, the GTL crack is a must have.

[redi]

Originally Posted by dartguy

And for Win 7 users, the GTL crack is a must have.

But doesn't the GTL hack allow easy cheating because it cracks open the whole game structure?

[Pumpkin888]

It does, but a few people are honorable enough to race without cheating.

[dartguy]

Originally Posted by redi

But doesn't the GTL hack allow easy cheating because it cracks open the whole game structure?

Honestly, Redi, I hadn't thought of that. But I think with the age of the game. Not too many kids/cheaters/crashers would be interested. They have moved on to the newer games.

[redi]

Originally Posted by dartguy

Honestly, Redi, I hadn't thought of that. But I think with the age of the game. Not too many kids/cheaters/crashers would be interested. They have moved on to the newer games.

Sad but true yes. Which leaves GTL for the nice guys, though Which reminds me, when are you going to join the Mini League server?

[dartguy]

I really wanted to race on Tuesday at Rouen, but I got a call to go to work right before the race.

I am really loving GTL right now. For some reason, it looks better than GTR2. Being older, I can't figure out why.

So you will see me more and more on the servers....thanks to the great people who discovered a cure for StarForce!

[bclancy]

Hi guys

Been reading all the threads on gtl and windows 7 and realise I need the 'crack' to get it to work! I did somehow get the demo to run on 7 using the starforce vista patch! and so went off on e-bay and bought the game only to find the full version wont run. I DO have a Legit copy (brand new) and am a 41 year old looking to race this game online NOT a hacker or cheat LOL

I cant find the needed hack anywhere, can anyone help me? I dont think in honesty, that there is a moral problem in using it as I have bought and have in my possesion a 'legit' copy that is of no use to me without it!

Hoping someone can help me

Regards

Brian

[psyfungi]

Originally Posted by bclancy

...I cant find the needed hack anywhere, can anyone help me? I dont think in honesty, that there is a moral problem in using it as I have bought and have in my possesion a 'legit' copy that is of no use to me without it!...

I understand your feeling of being "legit" but for legal reasons we cannot link to cracked games here. It's banworthy.

[David Wright]

Originally Posted by bclancy

Hi guys

Been reading all the threads on gtl and windows 7 and realise I need the 'crack' to get it to work! I did somehow get the demo to run on 7 using the starforce vista patch! and so went off on e-bay and bought the game only to find the full version wont run. I DO have a Legit copy (brand new) and am a 41 year old looking to race this game online NOT a hacker or cheat LOL

I cant find the needed hack anywhere, can anyone help me? I dont think in honesty, that there is a moral problem in using it as I have bought and have in my possesion a 'legit' copy that is of no use to me without it!

Hoping someone can help me

Regards

Brian

Edit - just read in another thread that you've found it.

If you look for the right thing, i.e. a no-CD patch its not hard to find.

[masa386]

http://www.google.co.jp/search?q=gtl+no-cd

[bushwacker]

Hi All,

Firstly I play GTR Evo & Race07 and recently RaceOn. Love the games and all work fine on my Windows 7 System. Just installed GT Legends and having never heard of a problem with the game on Windows 7 just clicked yes to an update for this Star Force Protection thing. Oh dear! i wish i hadn't because windows error messages came think and fast saying something about a unsigned driver was installed and need a reboot... so it rebooted, now it wont start it tries to do a self repair on start up but cannot fix the fault. I really do wish i had researched the game 1st as i think it is going to cause a full formatt now. So please please anyone else wanting to install this game beware and if any of you live near StarForces office please throw an rotten egg at the windows for me

Many thanks for reading,

bushy

[bushwacker]

Hi again,

Just an update, been trying to call Starforce no answer anywhere in the world......

[JoeSlow]

Originally Posted by bushwacker

... messing up Win7 ...

Hi Bushy,

first of all, you should get rid of the StarForce drivers.
I don't own Win7, but I heard, you can boot in protected mode even if you have installed uncertified drivers.

Then you have to remove SF drivers.
On http://www.star-force.com/support/drivers/ you find a SF removal tool.

After removing SF drivers booting in normal mode should be successfully.

After that read the threads about Win7 and GTL.

Good luck

JoeSlow

Update:
I think you should download the tool mentioned in 2. Versions before 5.5: SFREMOVE

[Eracles]

I've just installed succesfully the game in my new PC with Win7 Home Premium. Original game --> official patch v1.1 --> no-CD patch --> sound fixing patch, all before trying to run the game untill all patches where already installed.

The game runs OK, except that I don't see tacho and speed needles in the onboard view, nither in the Mini Cooper nor in the Lotus Cortina, the only cars I have for now as I didn't still started a career.

Pressing the ''3" key ingame didn't work, I don't know what to do. I takes off a lot of realism from the cockpit view

[Eracles]

The solution has been provided! The magic key for me is the '4'. The needles are here again!!!

[drft89]

any update on this yet??

[redi]

Originally Posted by drft89

any update on this yet??

How about this?