Shift - G25 - Clutch and gear selection delay

[AxlxA]

Sorry for a new thread guys, You guys probably talked about this in the massive g25 settings thread but that is just so unorganized that I cannot understand half the things on there. Also I searched that thread, the entire Shift forums... and it was still very unorganized.

Anyways, I wanted to know if there's a fix/solution for the delayed gear engagement (something like how the code clutch-in-delay = 0.3s in GTR2 GTR evo's).. I noticed several posts talking about this delay but couldn't really find the solution that was clear. So hence this thread....

Flame on....

[caymus]

i thing the delay,is car dependant.

Into hight upgraded cars, the delay in sequential is anonym.

on basic cars, with h gates, the delay is more important.

I use only sequential since my h gate is dead forever.

It can be edited, into :

..\vehicles\physics\chassis\your-car.cdf

[DRIVELINE]

UpshiftDelay=
UpshiftClutchTime=
DownshiftDelay=
DownshiftClutchTime=

[gadagaseng]

Yep... I tried that and it works flawlessly. Here are the complete lines (and corrected by me between "()") :

UpshiftDelay=0.00 // (Was 0.30 originally) delay in selecting higher gear (low for semi-automatic, higher for manual)
UpshiftClutchTime=0.30 // time to ease auto-clutch in AFTER upshift (0.0 for F1 cars)
DownshiftDelay=0.00 // (Was 0.50 originally) delay in selecting lower gear (low for semi-automatic, higher for manual)
DownshiftClutchTime=0.50 // time to ease auto-clutch in AFTER downshift (used to be SemiAutoClutchTime, note that the shift will complete significantly before the clutch is fully engaged)

Makes manual clutching and shifting a real joy. By the way I put my clutch sensivity to 50% and dead zone to 0% after trying a lot of settings....

[harddisk_ripper]

I tried out the suggested values of gadagaseng and was still not quite happy. I have driven racecars with sequential gearbox in reallife and was missing that kind of shifting-experience in nfs shift. So I tried to tweak the values a little more and found the "SemiAutomatic" value. I wanted to "simulate" a real race gearbox which cuts the ignition if you shift, without any clutch activity. If you set Semiautomatic to 1 you get auto-clutch which is bad but atleast you dont hit the limiter everytime you upshift (best seen in low rpm) -> ignition cut.

So in the end I did the following:

SemiAutomatic=1 // whether throttle and clutch are operated automatically <- set to 1
UpshiftDelay=0.10 // delay in selecting higher gear (low for semi-automatic, higher for manual)
UpshiftClutchTime=0.00 // time to ease auto-clutch in AFTER upshift (0.0 for F1 cars) <- set 0 to disable auto-clutch
DownshiftDelay=0.50 // delay in selecting lower gear (low for semi-automatic, higher for manual) <- default value
DownshiftClutchTime=0.00 // time to ease auto-clutch in AFTER downshift (used to be SemiAutoClutchTime, note that the

shift will complete significantly before the clutch is fully engaged) to disable auto-clutch <- set to 0 to disable auto-clutch

I think it comes much closer to a real sequential racing gearbox. At least in upshifts


greetings marco


edit: i even decreased UpshiftDelay to 0.05. Ill try to get real values from such a gearbox...

[juls]

I don't have a problem with limiter.

In game menu you disable auto-clutch .
Then in chassis file you just set both delays to zero (UpshiftDelay and DownshiftDelay)...and it is like sequential box.

[Astreon]

Originally Posted by harddisk_ripper

I tried out the suggested values of gadagaseng and was still not quite happy. I have driven racecars with sequential gearbox in reallife and was missing that kind of shifting-experience in nfs shift. So I tried to tweak the values a little more and found the "SemiAutomatic" value. I wanted to "simulate" a real race gearbox which cuts the ignition if you shift, without any clutch activity. If you set Semiautomatic to 1 you get auto-clutch which is bad but atleast you dont hit the limiter everytime you upshift (best seen in low rpm) -> ignition cut.

So in the end I did the following:

SemiAutomatic=1 // whether throttle and clutch are operated automatically <- set to 1
UpshiftDelay=0.10 // delay in selecting higher gear (low for semi-automatic, higher for manual)
UpshiftClutchTime=0.00 // time to ease auto-clutch in AFTER upshift (0.0 for F1 cars) <- set 0 to disable auto-clutch
DownshiftDelay=0.50 // delay in selecting lower gear (low for semi-automatic, higher for manual) <- default value
DownshiftClutchTime=0.00 // time to ease auto-clutch in AFTER downshift (used to be SemiAutoClutchTime, note that the

shift will complete significantly before the clutch is fully engaged) to disable auto-clutch <- set to 0 to disable auto-clutch

I think it comes much closer to a real sequential racing gearbox. At least in upshifts


greetings marco


edit: i even decreased UpshiftDelay to 0.05. Ill try to get real values from such a gearbox...

Given your experience you've probably seen how most games underestimate the speed at which these gearboxes shift! Average complete shift delays are in the range of 40-60ms for most race cars with sequential manual dog engagement boxes with ignition cut. Here, we have Shift pulling grandma-esque 300ms sequential shifts...

[harddisk_ripper]

Originally Posted by Astreon

Given your experience you've probably seen how most games underestimate the speed at which these gearboxes shift! Average complete shift delays are in the range of 40-60ms for most race cars with sequential manual dog engagement boxes with ignition cut. Here, we have Shift pulling grandma-esque 300ms sequential shifts...

Word... Actually I found it funny reading the description of the "Drivetrain Stage 3" upgrade: "Sequential Gearbox blabla shift-times of less than 10ms" ...yeah right, like 300ms?

I'm happy that I changed the settings, no more stupid limiter-whining on upshifting and it sounds/feels much more realistic to me now.


greetings marco