mod is a joke

[jim clark]

happy now? i am sorry i was so rude and its also my name so i will use it weather you like it or not, i have much respect for late J. Clark
don't worry i will not post again.

[wingboot]

Have you done any adjustments to the setup? It is a video game and is much better than GTL which it's "modeled" on.

Which games or mods do meet your approval?

Cheers

[Kongo]

Keep to GTR2, it's completely different anyways so how can you compare?

Un needed flaming, I feel this thread wont last long. :yes:
These, if you failed to nitoce, are NOT stock cars, they are Touring and Grand Touring cars of the 60's and 70's...geez...

As for brakes, the AC Cobra had excellent brakes.

[numster906]

Dont like it? dont download it, theres certianly no need to bash someone else's hard work. Especialy since you havnt uploaded your own work.

[HR186S]

Let me guess. You picked the highest powered car, went out on cold tyres and plowed it into the wall on the first corner when you couldn't brake. Getting angry, you restarted and did the same thing braked a little earlier, made the corner, but spun on the exit this time?
These cars are very different beasts, and comparing them to the GTR cars is lunacy. The cars need time to warm up their tyres, and brakes to work effectively. Braking distances are substantially longer. Try braking at the 200m mark or before! instead of the 100m mark.
Did you try all the cars?
These old cars force you to drive different, and I think your driving style is probably just used to the endless grip that GTR gives.
Hell I don't know why I'm bothering, it just annoys me that people try to drive one car, and can't, then come here to vent their frustrations.
All I can say is try one of the little cars (Mini, Abarth, Cortina, Alfa, Elite) around a track like Cadwell, and dont tell me your not smiling and having fun afterwards. I know I am.
Conclusion: Start small, and work your way up.

[TomOGee]

They didn't have the same technology available when these cars were around in real life and the makers of this mod made sure that that was imminent in how the cars drive in the game. They did phenominal, and I couldn't have said it better than HR186S.

I doubt you were driving a full-blown race car in the 60s and I also doubt you were driving your street car the way you would drive the cars in the mod.

Drive the Mini or Alfa. DO NOT drive the Porsches or Jaguars. You'll change your mind...I promise

[morning_wood]

funny, i dont play gtr2 with the cars it came with... ( because the physics blow )

[pbearsailor]

Originally Posted by HR186S

Let me guess. You picked the highest powered car, went out on cold tyres and plowed it into the wall on the first corner when you couldn't brake. Getting angry, you restarted and did the same thing braked a little earlier, made the corner, but spun on the exit this time?
These cars are very different beasts, and comparing them to the GTR cars is lunacy. The cars need time to warm up their tyres, and brakes to work effectively. Braking distances are substantially longer. Try braking at the 200m mark or before! instead of the 100m mark.
Did you try all the cars?
These old cars force you to drive different, and I think your driving style is probably just used to the endless grip that GTR gives.
Hell I don't know why I'm bothering, it just annoys me that people try to drive one car, and can't, then come here to vent their frustrations.
All I can say is try one of the little cars (Mini, Abarth, Cortina, Alfa, Elite) around a track like Cadwell, and dont tell me your not smiling and having fun afterwards. I know I am.
Conclusion: Start small, and work your way up.

Don't let him get to you, Luke. Think about all the thousands of downloads the mod has had and then think about the very few idiot posts like this one. Only thing that bothers me is his nick--terrible way to use Jimmy Clark's name. :p

cheers,
steve

[Eno]

Well, I like GTL, Maybe I havent given a fair "shake" to this Power and Glory. But it didnt really impress me. And I know alot of folks put alot of time into it and Im always grateful for that. But judging how the lobby is about it. It doesnt seem to have impressed many there either (I dont see full servers). And the thing about Cobras, Bill Cosby apparently owned one and almost killed himself in it (obviously a better comedian than driver) and I understand he still jokes about it. But the Cobra was a true drivers car.My avitar is a car that I have owned since my early twenties and you can see more of it under the thread of "What do you drive" (but these days its a showcar). These cars of this era where nothing but drift machines and really my car was better suited to quarter mile runs and would still give most exotics a run today. But I just like GTL better for that type of racing.

[Daveyraveygravey]

Looks like you know jack about cars, fella. Read the other posts about the mod, people love it. I don't know how you can dare come and post such negative thoughts about it, have you any idea how much (unpaid) work has gone in to it?

Looking forward to your improved version of the mod, when is that coming out?!

At least Eno put some thought into his post, but his only real criticism is the lack of online drivers, which I am disappointed with too.

[Zoomie]

Unfortunately, we can't do anything about online driver numbers . rF mods have the same problem, no matter how good they are, and league racing is really the best way to get enjoyment from any mod (although I don't race in a league ).

The setups we made as default with the cars are considered "safe" setups, which is why some think the physics are wrong just because the car won't slide like in the videos. The OP is just showing a similar reaction but in the opposite direction. If he did drive the Porsche (he didn't say which car), then the situation is probably worse. It's a unique car that bites if you overdrive it, and that's very easy to do in a sim.

Also, it's not going to drive like the GTR2 Porsche RS either. You do have to adapt to each car, which is what made drivers like the REAL Jim Clark great.

It's not that hard to make these things drive like their street counterparts, but then the cars would be very very slow, and that would just make other people unhappy .

Basically, read the manual (there IS a reason it was made) and play with the setup. No one setup will suit everyone.

[PorscheDriver]

the very thing that appeals to me about this mod is the fact that the cars are a bloody handful to drive fast :cool:

even more so than GTL itself, which i've uninstalled because of horror stories about starforce

to come on here and state that the 'mod is a joke' is a bit out of order, imo

by all means criticize if you must, but be constructive and polite about it at least

having said that, get your fingers out P&G team and give me my GT40 :p

[Aristotelis]

Originally Posted by jim clark

come on mod acts like breaks and shocks were not anygood for a racecar in the 70s what do you think they were crash durby cars i was driving in 60s and my stock street car drove better then this
also cars are sparkley too shinny to look real
deleating mod sticking with gtr2 as they are fun to drive

Thank you!
Since the release of the mod, I hear nothing than praise from true enthusiastic and experienced simracers.
I must be honest, the complete absence of flames, and bashing had me a bit worried. I mean, come on guys, this is a mod of OLD cars with LOW grip...and no one is complaining? what's going on???

So, thank you dear Jim Clark, now I know that everything is just normal, Please don't miss the 2nd release with even more difficult to drive cars. We can sure use some bashing here

[Hansaplast]

Originally Posted by jim clark

come on mod acts like breaks and shocks were not anygood for a racecar in the 70s what do you think they were crash durby cars i was driving in 60s and my stock street car drove better then this
also cars are sparkley too shinny to look real
deleating mod sticking with gtr2 as they are fun to drive

Try Battlefield 2! The tanks have awesome grip to the "street"
and having a turret to blow away the opponents is great fun.
The humvees are also nice, but too many wreckers.

[Ralph_B]

Originally Posted by Aristotelis

Thank you!
Since the release of the mod, I hear nothing than praise from true enthusiastic and experienced simracers.
I must be honest, the complete absence of flames, and bashing had me a bit worried. I mean, come on guys, this is a mod of OLD cars with LOW grip...and no one is complaining? what's going on???

So, thank you dear Jim Clark, now I know that everything is just normal, Please don't miss the 2nd release with even more difficult to drive cars. We can sure use some bashing here

[doo]

Originally Posted by Hansaplast

Try Battlefield 2! The tanks have awesome grip to the "street"
and having a turret to blow away the opponents is great fun.
The humvees are also nice, but too many wreckers.

I love taking one of them Hummers out for a spin and just driving over bumps and ditches up and down the hills while honking the horn like I've been posessed! No matter what happens, I always keep the pedal to the metal! Makes me feel like Ace Ventura:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fToRej14lCQ

:roflmao:

[David Wright]

Originally Posted by Eno

And the thing about Cobras, Bill Cosby apparently owned one and almost killed himself in it (obviously a better comedian than driver) and I understand he still jokes about it.

Cosby's Cobra was no ordinary Cobra. It was a supercharged 427 with 800 bhp. I think any driver would struggle

On the general point of on-line popularity, I would be interested to know if any GTR2 mod has proven popular on-line. While forums like this and RSC focus around mods and its easy to think all simracers are mod-centred, I'm fairly sure that most GTL and GTR2 buyers never mod their game. rFactor seems to be different - at least on-line - there almost no one uses the standard cars. However, there are so many mods that few mods get sensible numbers in the servers.

Like Aris I have been somewhat surprised by the almost universal praise for the mod. Most GTR2 fans are used to the way modern GT cars handle and grip so the mod won't really appeal to them. And I suspect most GTL fans have just got used to the way the GTL cars handle and sound in the 2 years its been out - I know I have. While the mod should appeal to them it doesn't sound or feel the same as GTL and this can be off-putting, at least initially.

[the brace]

If you want an ARCADE GAME I am sure there are better places to look.

If you want a SIMULATOR this is the place to be

[welder]

I see the young lad hasnt been back to see the thread for a bit.......................ahem

[DucFreak]

Originally Posted by Zoomie

Unfortunately, we can't do anything about online driver numbers . rF mods have the same problem, no matter how good they are, and league racing is really the best way to get enjoyment from any mod (although I don't race in a league ).

The setups we made as default with the cars are considered "safe" setups, which is why some think the physics are wrong just because the car won't slide like in the videos. The OP is just showing a similar reaction but in the opposite direction. If he did drive the Porsche (he didn't say which car), then the situation is probably worse. It's a unique car that bites if you overdrive it, and that's very easy to do in a sim.

Also, it's not going to drive like the GTR2 Porsche RS either. You do have to adapt to each car, which is what made drivers like the REAL Jim Clark great.

It's not that hard to make these things drive like their street counterparts, but then the cars would be very very slow, and that would just make other people unhappy .

Basically, read the manual (there IS a reason it was made) and play with the setup. No one setup will suit everyone.

Exactly!

Truth is this mod isn't that much of a "begginers" mod, a "lets go do some quick racing with this car and then the other car and track for 5 mins with no setup fidling, etc...", it's not good for that, it will feel too refined and advanced for those people then (it seems it's your case, Mr.jim clark?), there's truth in some comments about this not being "arcade", it isn't, it's something with lots and lots to discover about each car, needs to be explored...
...it's in that process that you get attached to this mod, IMHO.

I personally feel Power&Glory requires the user to get hands dirty and mess with setups to get it feeling right for each one's tastes, and in that part it's sensacional (IMO much more than GTL), changes in car-setup completely transform the way the car responds and provide "feel".

...it seems the major number of users untill now has been composed of offline players (or league players)... with that in mind, I suggest doing many, many laps with each car on your favorite track, try everything you have in mind for setups in those moments, either "real life" setups or "invented" setups, everything works as it should in these physics and with such procedure you end discovering the various ways you can explore each car, as well as the "soul" of each car ...like getting into some relation with each car with which you get attached (don't exhagerate! :p).

...now just think you have 2/3 of the mod yet to come (with the angryer beasts still to come!) lol


PS: LOL@ Aristotelis and Hansaplast! :roflmao:

[lowndes888]

Originally Posted by David Wright

Cosby's Cobra was no ordinary Cobra. It was a supercharged 427 with 800 bhp. I think any driver would struggle

Kongo'd love to have that Cobra

[File 1993]

Originally Posted by lowndes888

Kongo'd love to have that Cobra

But, he has to be careful cos he might be eaten alive...:roflmao:

[freejrs]

Originally Posted by jim clark

come on mod acts like breaks and shocks were not anygood for a racecar in the 70s what do you think they were crash durby cars i was driving in 60s and my stock street car drove better then this
also cars are sparkley too shinny to look real
deleating mod sticking with gtr2 as they are fun to drive

Sir you have offended me, its pistols at dawn! You clearly know nothing about cars and dont deserve to carry the jim clark name. if you lack enough skill to brake, engage the clutch, change down and blip the throttle all at the same time then kindly go back to your paddle shifter or whatever your using.
Power and Glory is a gentlemen's mod which carries on the GPL legacy.
GENTLEMEN ONLY PLEASE

[Raikku]

I don't have anything against P&G, just one thing has annoyed me from the beginning, and it's that i don't think these cars are any better in GTR2 than they were in GTL. Both are fine, but i don't understand that praise how they are now sooo much better than in their original enviroment.

[freejrs]

Originally Posted by Raikku

I don't have anything against P&G, just one thing has annoyed me from the beginning, and it's that i don't think these cars are any better in GTR2 than they were in GTL. Both are fine, but i don't understand that praise how they are now sooo much better than in their original enviroment.

The main reason they are better for me is that in GTL the cars were
60/70's models but with modern shocks and tires, meaning they had better suspension and more grip. The PnG models are based on the actual 60/70's cars with the original suspensions and vintage correct tires. Also there was no rain in GTL and the annoying starforce protection thingy was a pain.

[MitziBark]

Oooh, a storm!!! Can our teacup contain it?

Most people with half a brain know this mod is excellent. We don't think about what we didn't get or how far it is from our own notion of how it should be...we just say thank you for the huge amount of effort and time it took to make, then jump into one of the beasts and try to stay alive...

:roflmao:

[rasfigjohn]

"thread is a joke"

[Goresh]

Originally Posted by rasfigjohn

"thread is a joke"

I agree 100%. Certainly doesn't warrant the attention its getting.

[AntMAn12]

Originally Posted by morning_wood

funny, i dont play gtr2 with the cars it came with... ( because the physics blow )

lol.....ditto.

[DucFreak]

Originally Posted by rasfigjohn

"thread is a joke"

:roflmao:

[Daveyraveygravey]

Originally Posted by Raikku

I don't have anything against P&G, just one thing has annoyed me from the beginning, and it's that i don't think these cars are any better in GTR2 than they were in GTL. Both are fine, but i don't understand that praise how they are now sooo much better than in their original enviroment.

I don't know how you can say that. I said it somewhere else before, I used to do a lot of laps at Cadwell in Alfa in GTL, and it was brilliant. When P&G came out, I didn't try the Alfa much, but I recently did at Cadwell, and it was SO MUCH better than the GTL versions. It wasn't totally different, and a lot of the differences were very subtle, but it was brilliant.

[Sensekhmet]

Originally Posted by Eno

And the thing about Cobras, Bill Cosby apparently owned one and almost killed himself in it (obviously a better comedian than driver) and I understand he still jokes about it. But the Cobra was a true drivers car.

That was one of the two Super Snakes. Based on 427 S/C (Semi Competition wich in turn was based on the never homologated 427 Competition), 'the Cobra to end all Cobras'. 2 4-barrel Holley carbs on experimental Edelbrock manifold and two centrifugial Paxton superchargers. 800hp going to the rear wheels through a 3-speed auto transimssion (there simply was no clutch that could transmit the massive torque to the 4-speed manual Toploader). Cosby's Super Snake (chassis number CSX 3303) was returned by him to Shelby after just a month. He claimed a 200mph car was simply too fast for him. It was sold by S&C Ford in San Francisco to Tony Maxey.
Now the interesting stuff starts.
Why there is only one Super Snake today? Read on.
Maxey died behind the wheel of the second Super Snake. If you think, he just piled it into a tree or something mundane like that, you are wrong.
He had a spill on a Californian road... that was close to a sea cliff... that was pretty high (around 50 metres high I think).
So right now, the second Super Snake is parked on the bottom of the Half Moon Bay, California.

What a way to go...

[Buk_Nekkid]

These cars have grip

Plenty of it.

Cheers, Buk :color:

[Eno]

Those old Motors were highly sought after by the drag racers during that era. My old 426 Hemi I could sold for twice than what I paid for the whole car back then. But I never raced my Challenger on the strip and tried to just keep it up. In 1977 I bought a Ford Pickup with a 300 Cubic in straight 6 just so I wouldnt drive it and drove that Truck to the ground lol. As it turned out listening to my dad paid off. I could sell my old car now at 6 digit figures with no problem (All numbers match) today. But that Cobra was special, as you say, only 2, Really amazing that Bill Cosby had the car. If he had kept it, he would have a bank sitting in his garage lol.