Next Skippy Series - Questions

[AllanGP]

If I've read it all correctly the current Series 4 2009 will finish next week?

So the next Series (1 2010?) will start sometime after 6th February (I think).

Is it likely that the new Skippy series will run at the same venues as the current one?

In which case my plan is; buy the Skippy now to practice at the tracks I already own.

Then when the series venues are announced buy 6 tracks in a package to get the 20% discount. That hopefully will only leave one track to get - and I can leave that until the last week (well maybe 1 week before so I can practice).

I think that makes sense, what do you think?

Allan

[moppenheimer]

I believe they will be adding Brands Hatch to the Skippy schedule.

[AllanGP]

Well I'd love that

Do you think my "plan" is the right thing to do?

Allan

[moppenheimer]

Yeah, sounds good

[Roush9]

http://members.iracing.com/iforum/se...20schedule.htm

[AllanGP]

Matt,

Link doesn't work but I think I found the thread.

Thanks.

Allan

[Jack B]

Originally Posted by AllanGP

Matt,

Link doesn't work but I think I found the thread.

Thanks.

Allan

Here is the Skippy schedule for next season.

Week 1 Infineon Long
Week 2 VIR long
Week 3 Summit Long
Week 4 Lime Rock
Week 5 Brands Hatch
Week 6 Sebring
Week 7 Road Atlanta
Week 8 NHMS south oval
Week 9 Laguna Seca
Week 10 Road America
Week 11 Watkins Glen boot
Week 12 Mosport

[AllanGP]

Thanks Jack!

Allan

[os-chris]

keep in mind only ur 8 best weeks (of the 12 week season) count towards the championship so u dont HAVE to buy all the tracks

[AllanGP]

os-chris,

Good point. My plan is to buy the first 6 tracks to get the 20% discount, with the running order above and the tracks with my starting sub I'll get to week 10 before I have to purchase anything else.

By then I'll know how badly I'm doing and will probably have to buy the others

[Empty Box]

I would strategically buy.

As in screw Infineon and get Road America.

Schedule is out? Any chances of getting the road side cars posted perhaps?

[AllanGP]

Well,

I will probably buy them all, just not at once. Plus during the next 12 week season my 3 for 1 deal will finish so I'll sub up for a year then as well.

Was just really trying to get the best discount/spread out of purchases combo I could, I am Scottish you know living in Wales. Which was good because I'm in the Celtic Club, genius move by iRacing to put us Celts together.

Thanks for all the input, here's hoping it doesn't take me too long to get to grips with the Skippy.

Allan

[AllanGP]

Well Guys,

Bought the "Skippy" tonight OMG - got a lot to learn !!

Managed 1 min 45 sec after 17 laps so just 7 secs to find................... at Laguna.

At least there is a couple of weeks before the next season.

One question though is the "standard" set up competitive - seems a little loose around the rear and tyre pressures seem to be too inflated, centre tyre temps are higher than inner & outer after a few laps on the standard inflation setting of 36 psi??

Allan

[Empty Box]

Uffff..... Let me think.

I remember running the stock setups and doing decently with them. But I can't remember who's setups I found, but they were alot better. But this was a build or two ago, so it's likely changed.

[Jack B]

Originally Posted by AllanGP

Well Guys,

Bought the "Skippy" tonight OMG - got a lot to learn !!

Managed 1 min 45 sec after 17 laps so just 7 secs to find................... at Laguna.

At least there is a couple of weeks before the next season.

One question though is the "standard" set up competitive - seems a little loose around the rear and tyre pressures seem to be too inflated, centre tyre temps are higher than inner & outer after a few laps on the standard inflation setting of 36 psi??

Allan

I just checked. I have over 330 races with the Skippy, so maybe I've learned something. Here goes.

I haven't run a stock setup in forever, so I'm not sure if they work or not. I will say, that an experienced Skippy driver will do well in almost any setup. You just need to adjust your driving style to the setup.

There isn't much to setup with the Skippy, so it's pretty easy. Lot's of Skippy setups in the Skippy Tips Forum.

Here are the basics.

Rear Tires - Almost everyone runs 22-24psi.

Front Tires - Wide variation here. The Skippy has a lot of off throttle oversteer, so it's tricky to control. The aliens often run 22-24psi on the fronts, but you really have to be good to keep it from spinning. An easier setup that isn't much slower will have the fronts at 25-37psi depending on the track. Much less oversteer and if you can't keep from spinning you're way better off sacrificing a little rotation to keep it on the track.

Brake Bias - Again aliens often go really low like 47-50, but most mortals run 53-59. I typically run about 53. Once you get good with the Skippy you'll really notice the difference in Brake Bias if you use any trail braking. Lower really gets it turning, but it's very easy to loop it at Lime Rock especially. Turn 1 is fun!

Perch - Higher positive numbers lower the front end. It helps with braking, but again creates some oversteer issues.

Rear ARB - Does very very little on the Skippy. Most set it at 6, but I've tried many adjustments and it's so subtle on the Skippy I'd focus my energies elsewhere.

That's about it for the Skippy. Very enjoyable car to drive once you tame it. Many veteran iRacers in the series, because the car fits like a glove once you get it down.

[AllanGP]

Thanks Jack,

Did a little reading on the Forum and all your suggestions tie in.

For the record Tyres are all 36psi standard so way too high (hence my spot on middle temps to high).

Rear ARB I think is 2 or something and Perch (need to understand what that is) is off on "standard" too.

So I'll try your suggestions and then it will be down to "seat time".

Cheers, A

Will iRacing ever get a MoTeC plug in do you think??

[Jack B]

Originally Posted by AllanGP

Thanks Jack,

Did a little reading on the Forum and all your suggestions tie in.

For the record Tyres are all 36psi standard so way too high (hence my spot on middle temps to high).

Rear ARB I think is 2 or something and Perch (need to understand what that is) is off on "standard" too.

So I'll try your suggestions and then it will be down to "seat time".

Cheers, A

Will iRacing ever get a MoTeC plug in do you think??

There is an addon using VBox. Do a forum searc and you should find it.

[Empty Box]

Perch is basically your ride height adjustment. I can't remember which way is which (Mazda > Skippy) though. Has something to do with where the shocks are mounted or something like that.

But it's the ride height basically.

[AllanGP]

Well Jack,

Your settings with a couple of tweaks by me got me down to 1.41.2 after about an hour of practice.

Struggling to stop the back end coming round at turn three - other than that I think it is fine tuning over many more laps.

Going to check out VBOX tomorrow.

Thanks, Allan

[AllanGP]

Is anyone else doing a Season in the Skippy?

Is it worth a new thread to keep comments together?

We could share tips/set ups/pictures etc??

Allan

[Andy81]

I gave the skippy a go, but i'm a good 10 seconds off the pace with my first go even after trying others set ups. People were talking about 1.48 & 1.47 times today and i struggled getting 1.57. So any tips and setups that i don't yet have would be most appreciated.
Think part of the trouble is most of the tracks being American i've never seen or raced them before so i'm starting from nothing. Shame they can't race Snetterton or Oulton park Although i see Brands is comming up later on in the season which might be better.

Might give more of a go to the Jettas if i can't improve the skippy, seems like a good car but gonna have to stay up late to race it by the looks of it??? First race today is at 12.15 AM GMT and quali at 12.50 AM and i'm too tired today for that, mabee later in the week. (i'm assuming the times are gonna be the same for a week?

[Jack B]

Originally Posted by Andy81

I gave the skippy a go, but i'm a good 10 seconds off the pace with my first go even after trying others set ups. People were talking about 1.48 & 1.47 times today and i struggled getting 1.57. So any tips and setups that i don't yet have would be most appreciated.
Think part of the trouble is most of the tracks being American i've never seen or raced them before so i'm starting from nothing. Shame they can't race Snetterton or Oulton park Although i see Brands is comming up later on in the season which might be better.

Might give more of a go to the Jettas if i can't improve the skippy, seems like a good car but gonna have to stay up late to race it by the looks of it??? First race today is at 12.15 AM GMT and quali at 12.50 AM and i'm too tired today for that, mabee later in the week. (i'm assuming the times are gonna be the same for a week?

You must be one with the Skippy. Only then can you snatch the pebble...

More seat time. Lot's of tips in the Official Skippy forum. It's a beautiful thing when you start to tame the Skippy. Great car.

[AllanGP]

Yeah Andy,

I know exactly what you are saying but I think the thing as Jack says is just more laps.

I was 2.05!! when I did my first five laps but now after 50 or so am late 1.52's and at Infineon I'm sure there is 2 or 3 secs more to come. For a Rookie/D class driver 1.48's should mean your competitive even though the fast guys are doing 1.45's now.

From the iRacing Forum I took this set up as a base;

24F/23R
55% Brake
Perches 8
ARB 6
Fuel 3.8

that's seems quite tricky to me so for now I'm

25F/23R
58% Brake
Perches 6
ARB 6
Fuel 3.8

and will try and stay with that until I'm under 1.50.

Infineon is the most difficult circuit to learn (apparently) but I'm enjoying the challenge.

My biggest issue is races are only every 2 hours so week days I can only really do 9.15pm.

I see lots of lost iRating & SR coming up

Nice lap here posted yesterday;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnAY4jchEEE

He seems to be changing up at 6000rpm (I've been hanging on to 6500) so I might give that a go.

And he has posted his set up here;

http://members.iracing.com/iforum/th...rt=15&tstart=0

Tim Claessens, near the bottom of Page 2.

Allan

[Jack B]

Originally Posted by AllanGP

Yeah Andy,

I know exactly what you are saying but I think the thing as Jack says is just more laps.

I was 2.05!! when I did my first five laps but now after 50 or so am late 1.52's and at Infineon I'm sure there is 2 or 3 secs more to come. For a Rookie/D class driver 1.48's should mean your competitive even though the fast guys are doing 1.45's now.

Allan, the time you quoted seemed a bit quick, so just to make sure you and Andy don't get discouraged regarding your Infineon times I checked the qualy times. Last season the fast guy in qualifying ran a 1:47.089. This season it's a 1:46.223, so it looks as though the new build is a little quicker. Race times will typically be 1 to 2 seconds slower than qualy times for everyone.

Of course those are the quickest of the Division 1 aliens. Mortals are slower. The middle time of all qualifiers last season was 149.993. Again race pace for the middle qualifiers should be about 1:51 to 1:52. Throw in a spin here or there and you'll add 10 to 20 seconds or more to the average lap time. Slow and steady at 1;53 without incidents is a reasonable goal for division 5 for instance.

If you look at the fastest aliens it can be discouraging. More laps and you'll get quicker. In the end few will ever be aliens. I just try to improve over time and enjoy my races.

[Andy81]

Originally Posted by AllanGP

Yeah Andy,

I know exactly what you are saying but I think the thing as Jack says is just more laps.

I was 2.05!! when I did my first five laps but now after 50 or so am late 1.52's and at Infineon I'm sure there is 2 or 3 secs more to come. For a Rookie/D class driver 1.48's should mean your competitive even though the fast guys are doing 1.45's now.

From the iRacing Forum I took this set up as a base;

24F/23R
55% Brake
Perches 8
ARB 6
Fuel 3.8

that's seems quite tricky to me so for now I'm

25F/23R
58% Brake
Perches 6
ARB 6
Fuel 3.8

and will try and stay with that until I'm under 1.50.

Infineon is the most difficult circuit to learn (apparently) but I'm enjoying the challenge.

My biggest issue is races are only every 2 hours so week days I can only really do 9.15pm.

I see lots of lost iRating & SR coming up

Nice lap here posted yesterday;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnAY4jchEEE

He seems to be changing up at 6000rpm (I've been hanging on to 6500) so I might give that a go.

And he has posted his set up here;

http://members.iracing.com/iforum/th...rt=15&tstart=0

Tim Claessens, near the bottom of Page 2.

Allan

Nice find with the youtube vid, i had trawled through the iracing forums but i need bum time more than anything and i might not get the oportunity to get much time in before the weeked. I guessing the track will be up untill midweek nextweek right? Where can you actually find the dates that these are available?

Originally Posted by Jack B

Allan, the time you quoted seemed a bit quick, so just to make sure you and Andy don't get discouraged regarding your Infineon times I checked the qualy times. Last season the fast guy in qualifying ran a 1:47.089. This season it's a 1:46.223, so it looks as though the new build is a little quicker. Race times will typically be 1 to 2 seconds slower than qualy times for everyone.

Of course those are the quickest of the Division 1 aliens. Mortals are slower. The middle time of all qualifiers last season was 149.993. Again race pace for the middle qualifiers should be about 1:51 to 1:52. Throw in a spin here or there and you'll add 10 to 20 seconds or more to the average lap time. Slow and steady at 1;53 without incidents is a reasonable goal for division 5 for instance.

If you look at the fastest aliens it can be discouraging. More laps and you'll get quicker. In the end few will ever be aliens. I just try to improve over time and enjoy my races.

Nice to know the times to work to, mabee it's not quite as daunting as i first thought, a bit more practice for now.

[AllanGP]

Andy,

Did my first ever Skippy race at Infineon tonight.

Started 7th, finished 7th!! Was 4th at one point but spun it a couple of times.

Got lapped and my average lap time was 1.57. The winners average was 1.49.

Thought I might encourage you!! 12 people started the race.

I've got a cold that's my excuse

I used Tim Claessens set up from the link earlier in this thread it was immediately nicer to drive (for me). Much lower front end 9 Perches and Lower ARB 4 - also back to 55% Brakes which now I'm getting used to. Did a low 1.52 with it before the race and a 1.52.060 in the race my best time yet.

Allan

P.S. Just looked at the overall chart, I'm 291st position out of 419 participants so far!! Come on Andy have a go! If there are going to be 10 Divisions I'll be in Division 7 at this rate.

[Andy81]

Originally Posted by AllanGP

Andy,

Did my first ever Skippy race at Infineon tonight.

Started 7th, finished 7th!! Was 4th at one point but spun it a couple of times.

Got lapped and my average lap time was 1.57. The winners average was 1.49.

Thought I might encourage you!! 12 people started the race.

I've got a cold that's my excuse

I used Tim Claessens set up from the link earlier in this thread it was immediately nicer to drive (for me). Much lower front end 9 Perches and Lower ARB 4 - also back to 55% Brakes which now I'm getting used to. Did a low 1.52 with it before the race and a 1.52.060 in the race my best time yet.

Allan

P.S. Just looked at the overall chart, I'm 291st position out of 419 participants so far!! Come on Andy have a go! If there are going to be 10 Divisions I'll be in Division 7 at this rate.

I'll give them some more practice, want to make sure i can go round without coming away with lots of negative SR before i give it a go, don't mind coming last.
Been doing plenty of other racing though, got some good results in the srf and a bad one in the Jetta. And also managed a 3rd in the SK modified despite being the slowest on the field by more than a second

I trying to have my racing fingers in many pies to get my SR up as quickly as possible.


http://members.iracing.com/membersit...6&custid=39675
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There you go, came 7th & 8th. Not too bad. Stupid mistake at the end nearly cocked that up but limped it back well enough.

And could have managed 7th aswell in the second one if i hadn't fiddled with the setups and left me without any fuel