Toyota Supra MKIV lights on other cars???

~~selley~~ · 4 February 10, 01:45

Is there some way of getting the lights from this mod working an other cars??. I'm sure I saw some a tutorial on how to do it but cant find it. I have seen it on another mod mod so i'm assuming it can be done.

Many thanks

Jon.

Some1 · 4 February 10, 07:28

Well, I posted the tutorial to http://rfactorcentral.com/detail.cfm...are%20Tutorial, but I'm not sure, what happened to the download links.

If anybody still has the download archive for the tutorial, it would be great, if it could be added to the download links in RFC.

KittX · 4 February 10, 10:38

i'm wondering if this can also be applied to tracks... just imagine Monaco by night, with those lights

Some1 · 4 February 10, 10:41

Theoretically, it should be possible to apply the light flare shader to tracks as well. I haven't tested it yet though...

frigopie · 4 February 10, 11:36

it is possible, i have converted some nfs shift cars and put the car paint shader and lights to them, they look really nice jeje...

in fact, I think this shaders have to be used in all mods (with author permision), they make rfactor to look much better, in my opinion it is the best graphical improvement made ever for this game

Some1 · 4 February 10, 12:47

I've always wondered, why rFactor didn't include this effect/shader in the first place. Its quite an old technique, used in NFS3 for example.

The way rFactor default cars and tracks did the static flares always looked so fake and unrealistic, that's why I decided to put effort into developing the shader.

As the download links are gone from RSC, and I currently don't have the tutorial archives at hand, I would be very glad if somebody could upload and add links to the tutorial at RSC. Thanks!

tiptop · 4 February 10, 13:17

I'd be very gratefull aswell, i'd be happy to have it.

Some1 · 7 February 10, 10:05

I've added a new download link to the Light Flare Tutorial @ RFC.

Have fun!

EAKMotorsports · 7 February 10, 14:19

nicee

KittX · 7 February 10, 14:41

Thanks a lot!
i'll try to implement it to some cars and a track aswell

so, it works only in dx9 mode. But it won't export if not to set the dx7 and dx8 aswell. Is it possible to create "usual" static flares using the same texture, for dx7 and dx8 settings?

Some1 · 7 February 10, 15:54

Yes, only works in DX9 mode (c'mon, it's 2010, and even DX9 is getting old

). For the DX7 and DX8 just use T1 or similar shaders.

~~selley~~ · 7 February 10, 15:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Some1

I've added a new download link to the Light Flare Tutorial @ RFC.

Have fun!

Great stuff thank you for taking time to get the tutorial re-uploaded for us. Nice to see the actual modder helping out

KittX · 7 February 10, 19:08

offtopic question: in your tutorial i see the "post-shadow" option checked.
what does it do?

Some1 · 7 February 10, 20:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by KittX

offtopic question: in your tutorial i see the "post-shadow" option checked.
what does it do?

Basically, it should not allow shadows to be casted on the object.

KittX · 7 February 10, 20:08

which kind of shadows? do you mean vertex shading, or shadows casted from car/another object?
if the second one, i thought it's enough to not to check "shadow receiver" and there won't be shadows casted on that object
aah. seems i undestood - if you have object which you want to be shadow receiver, it's also possible for some part of the object (which has post-shadow option checked) not to receive the shadows, am i right?

EAKMotorsports · 7 February 10, 20:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Some1

Yes, only works in DX9 mode (c'mon, it's 2010, and even DX9 is getting old

). For the DX7 and DX8 just use T1 or similar shaders.

I agree

KittX · 7 February 10, 23:17

hehe, works almost great with tracks!
the problem is the "turning circle" of these "billboard" objects is around 180 degrees (which is great for cars tho).
I've tried to clone the flare squares and to flip their normals, but they're still invisible in the "other side".
However, cheking "two-sided" in the mat. properties (without needing to clone the objects) increases the "turning circle" to 200-something degrees, which is better.

Anyway, here's the screen of very quick creation of those things

http://www.nogripracing.com/gallery/...hp?photo=84122

Quote:

Originally Posted by Some1

c'mon, it's 2010, and even DX9 is getting old

nonono, i use only dx9 myself aswell, just wanted to ensure everything will be working properly (and still ok-looking) in dx7 and dx8 modes

Some1 · 8 February 10, 16:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by KittX

hehe, works almost great with tracks!
the problem is the "turning circle" of these "billboard" objects is around 180 degrees (which is great for cars tho).
I've tried to clone the flare squares and to flip their normals, but they're still invisible in the "other side".
However, cheking "two-sided" in the mat. properties (without needing to clone the objects) increases the "turning circle" to 200-something degrees, which is better.

Anyway, here's the screen of very quick creation of those things

http://www.nogripracing.com/gallery/...hp?photo=84122

nonono, i use only dx9 myself aswell, just wanted to ensure everything will be working properly (and still ok-looking) in dx7 and dx8 modes

I have to point out, that as with cars, the flare should point in the direction of the light, not "sideways".

The light flare shader has some values hard coded and some functionality aimed more for car lights, where the flare is visible only when looking into the lights directly (with a small angle) - that's where the 180 degrees comes from.

The angle of visibility is determined according to the viewer's eye vs. the flare normal. To get full 360 degrees, one would just need to eliminate these parts of the shader code. Too bad, I'm too busy with other things currently...

Anyway, I'm glad that other modders are interested in implementing the flares for their mods!

KittX · 8 February 10, 17:23

thank you for your efforts!
i'm wondering, does your rule about rotating axis work with tracks as well? as i think now it's better to "face" the square top-down (as the streetlamp points the light from top to down as well). Gonna play with that when i'll have some time, i hope the flare will still be visible from the sides.

Buk_Nekkid · 22 April 10, 04:50

Some1, Thanx for the great tutorial. I got it to work first time on the Bathurst 72 cars, replacing the old type that shipped with the mod, and they work great.

However.... I've tried getting them to work on the Historix Mod (on the 911's) and have not been able to get them to work. ie. they dont show ingame. I've set them up exactly as I did with the 72's (attaching them to the HLGLO_PS and HLGLO_PS) the original glows still work but the new polys with the flares do not show. I've also made sure the new shaders are in the same directory as the coreshaders.mas in my Historix install.(I have seperate installs for all my mods)

Any ideas would be truly appreciated

Cheers, Neil

Buk_Nekkid · 22 April 10, 08:23

Ok sorted

Turns out the hlglo_ds and hlglo_ps I needed to attach the new flares to are not the ones in the 911.mas folder. The ones the game uses are in the "luces" folder.

I attached the new flares to these and all works fine

Cheers, Neil

Some1 · 22 April 10, 13:20

Ok, good to know. A screenie perhaps of the outcome?

By the way, I've noticed that those who use the flares are also using the flare textures that probably came with the tutorial. It is not required to use those particular textures, if one can come up with better ones...

One more thing, be sure to use TGA textures for the flares and disable compression (detail reduction) in the shader settings for best results.

KittX · 23 April 10, 22:55

i'm using your shaders, and a bit colour-tweaked your flare texture in my wip track. maybe the texture will be different, tho i'm pretty pleased with this one

http://www.nogripracing.com/gallery/...hp?photo=89127

aceofdaplace · 23 April 10, 23:51

bad@$$

nomedigano · 12 November 10, 22:25

Well, I think I really need help here. I've managed to put the flares shaders ingame, but something weird happens. I think it's better explained with some pictures:
From a certain distance, it looks fine

As we approach the camera move from the perpendicular of the plane...

and finally the flares are totally screwed

Anyone knows why is this happening?

Some1 · 13 November 10, 11:10

Probably the flare models are incorrectly aligned or the size is incorrect.

Can you perhaps describe how you placed the flare models?

nomedigano · 13 November 10, 15:20

Thanks for your quick response, Some1

I've tried to follow your tutorial to the letter, but I'll try to explain the process.

First of all, I imported the Hammer GMT models to MAX, and checked the materials to verify they were ok.
After that, I created two planes, one for each light. Each one 1x1 meter with 1x1 segments. Then I converted them to Editable Poly. Then I placed them in front of the lights objects and attached them. No rotations or any other transformations were made. Well, I've also tried to put them behind the lights but the results were the same.
In the material editor, I added a new submaterial, HAM_FLRGLOWA. Here are some screenshots to see the material properties:

And of course, I assigned the material to the planes. After that, I exported the GMTs as usual, and tested in rFactor.

Well, I think that pretty much covers all the process. Hope this helps

tonga23 · 18 November 10, 05:07

I have the same problem, from certain angle of view, looks good, but suddenly goes crazy!

I follow the tutorial letter by letter, try use the plane included in it, try to make a new plane with the specific data in the pdf, try to reset the pivots, try attach the file in a new object, and all without succes.

I await for any idea

Some1 · 25 November 10, 10:37

I think the problem might be in the "plane creating process". If the vertices in the plane aren't in correct order, things can be messed up.

I think I included sample planes in the Light Flare Tutorial? .. Can you perhaps try to use those?

nomedigano · 25 November 10, 16:52

Well, I've tried with your MAX sample. Just raised the plane 1.5 m in the Z axis so it was visible over the car, and no luck. The artifacts are still there. There are even more noticeable because it's the HeadLight Flare shader and when you point the camera directly in front of the plane, the texture moves more.

I'm beginning to think it could be caused by the exporter plugin. Is there any special config I need to put in the ISI panel?

Would you like that I attach my MAX project so you can check what am I doing wrong?

Thanks in advance, Some1

Some1 · 5 February 11, 19:06

Sorry for bumping this old topic, but I've found a bug in the Light Flare Tutorial that really makes the flares behave wrongly.

Namely, the size of the flare quad must be 0.5 units, not 1 unit.

Hope this fixes your problems!

KittX · 7 February 11, 11:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Some1

Sorry for bumping this old topic,

This topic is very useful, so don't feel sorry to bump it.

I have the same problem with flares... well, I work in Max, but I guess there's my misunderstanding, or sort of language barrier-stuff. What do you mean by "0.5 ans 1 units"

If the basic unit is 1 meter, the size of the planes should be 0.5 meters?

Some1 · 7 February 11, 12:05

Hehe, looks like I still failed to "fix" the bug.

So, here's another attempt: For the flares to work correctly, the size of the quad must be 0.5 x 0.5 generic units.

This means, that if your scene in Max is set to use mm, you need to change this to the Max generic units.

I hope this clarifies the topic.

4 February 10, 01:45	#1
~~selley~~ Banned Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Wales Age: 33	Toyota Supra MKIV lights on other cars??? Is there some way of getting the lights from this mod working an other cars??. I'm sure I saw some a tutorial on how to do it but cant find it. I have seen it on another mod mod so i'm assuming it can be done. Many thanks Jon.

4 February 10, 11:36	#5
frigopie Join Date: Feb 2007	it is possible, i have converted some nfs shift cars and put the car paint shader and lights to them, they look really nice jeje... in fact, I think this shaders have to be used in all mods (with author permision), they make rfactor to look much better, in my opinion it is the best graphical improvement made ever for this game Last edited by frigopie; 4 February 10 at 11:51.

22 April 10, 04:50	#20
Buk_Nekkid Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Australia	Some1, Thanx for the great tutorial. I got it to work first time on the Bathurst 72 cars, replacing the old type that shipped with the mod, and they work great. However.... I've tried getting them to work on the Historix Mod (on the 911's) and have not been able to get them to work. ie. they dont show ingame. I've set them up exactly as I did with the 72's (attaching them to the HLGLO_PS and HLGLO_PS) the original glows still work but the new polys with the flares do not show. I've also made sure the new shaders are in the same directory as the coreshaders.mas in my Historix install.(I have seperate installs for all my mods) Any ideas would be truly appreciated Cheers, Neil Last edited by Buk_Nekkid; 22 April 10 at 04:58.

4 February 10, 07:28	#2
Some1 Join Date: Jan 2010	Well, I posted the tutorial to http://rfactorcentral.com/detail.cfm...are%20Tutorial, but I'm not sure, what happened to the download links. If anybody still has the download archive for the tutorial, it would be great, if it could be added to the download links in RFC.

4 February 10, 10:38	#3
KittX Baddie Join Date: May 2003 Location: St. Petersburg, Russia Age: 25	i'm wondering if this can also be applied to tracks... just imagine Monaco by night, with those lights

4 February 10, 10:41	#4
Some1 Join Date: Jan 2010	Theoretically, it should be possible to apply the light flare shader to tracks as well. I haven't tested it yet though...

4 February 10, 12:47	#6
Some1 Join Date: Jan 2010	I've always wondered, why rFactor didn't include this effect/shader in the first place. Its quite an old technique, used in NFS3 for example. The way rFactor default cars and tracks did the static flares always looked so fake and unrealistic, that's why I decided to put effort into developing the shader. As the download links are gone from RSC, and I currently don't have the tutorial archives at hand, I would be very glad if somebody could upload and add links to the tutorial at RSC. Thanks!

4 February 10, 13:17	#7
tiptop Join Date: May 2008	I'd be very gratefull aswell, i'd be happy to have it.

7 February 10, 10:05	#8
Some1 Join Date: Jan 2010	I've added a new download link to the Light Flare Tutorial @ RFC. Have fun!

7 February 10, 14:19	#9
EAKMotorsports Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: lost in somewher in the world. Age: 30	nicee

7 February 10, 14:41	#10
KittX Baddie Join Date: May 2003 Location: St. Petersburg, Russia Age: 25	Thanks a lot! i'll try to implement it to some cars and a track aswell so, it works only in dx9 mode. But it won't export if not to set the dx7 and dx8 aswell. Is it possible to create "usual" static flares using the same texture, for dx7 and dx8 settings?

7 February 10, 15:54	#11
Some1 Join Date: Jan 2010	Yes, only works in DX9 mode (c'mon, it's 2010, and even DX9 is getting old ). For the DX7 and DX8 just use T1 or similar shaders.

7 February 10, 19:08	#13
KittX Baddie Join Date: May 2003 Location: St. Petersburg, Russia Age: 25	offtopic question: in your tutorial i see the "post-shadow" option checked. what does it do?

7 February 10, 20:08	#15
KittX Baddie Join Date: May 2003 Location: St. Petersburg, Russia Age: 25	which kind of shadows? do you mean vertex shading, or shadows casted from car/another object? if the second one, i thought it's enough to not to check "shadow receiver" and there won't be shadows casted on that object aah. seems i undestood - if you have object which you want to be shadow receiver, it's also possible for some part of the object (which has post-shadow option checked) not to receive the shadows, am i right?

8 February 10, 17:23	#19
KittX Baddie Join Date: May 2003 Location: St. Petersburg, Russia Age: 25	thank you for your efforts! i'm wondering, does your rule about rotating axis work with tracks as well? as i think now it's better to "face" the square top-down (as the streetlamp points the light from top to down as well). Gonna play with that when i'll have some time, i hope the flare will still be visible from the sides.

22 April 10, 08:23	#21
Buk_Nekkid Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Australia	Ok sorted Turns out the hlglo_ds and hlglo_ps I needed to attach the new flares to are not the ones in the 911.mas folder. The ones the game uses are in the "luces" folder. I attached the new flares to these and all works fine Cheers, Neil

22 April 10, 13:20	#22
Some1 Join Date: Jan 2010	Ok, good to know. A screenie perhaps of the outcome? By the way, I've noticed that those who use the flares are also using the flare textures that probably came with the tutorial. It is not required to use those particular textures, if one can come up with better ones... One more thing, be sure to use TGA textures for the flares and disable compression (detail reduction) in the shader settings for best results.

23 April 10, 22:55	#23
KittX Baddie Join Date: May 2003 Location: St. Petersburg, Russia Age: 25	i'm using your shaders, and a bit colour-tweaked your flare texture in my wip track. maybe the texture will be different, tho i'm pretty pleased with this one http://www.nogripracing.com/gallery/...hp?photo=89127

23 April 10, 23:51	#24
aceofdaplace Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Waterville Maine USA	bad@$$

12 November 10, 22:25	#25
nomedigano Join Date: Sep 2008	Well, I think I really need help here. I've managed to put the flares shaders ingame, but something weird happens. I think it's better explained with some pictures: From a certain distance, it looks fine As we approach the camera move from the perpendicular of the plane... and finally the flares are totally screwed Anyone knows why is this happening?

13 November 10, 11:10	#26
Some1 Join Date: Jan 2010	Probably the flare models are incorrectly aligned or the size is incorrect. Can you perhaps describe how you placed the flare models?

13 November 10, 15:20	#27
nomedigano Join Date: Sep 2008	Thanks for your quick response, Some1 I've tried to follow your tutorial to the letter, but I'll try to explain the process. First of all, I imported the Hammer GMT models to MAX, and checked the materials to verify they were ok. After that, I created two planes, one for each light. Each one 1x1 meter with 1x1 segments. Then I converted them to Editable Poly. Then I placed them in front of the lights objects and attached them. No rotations or any other transformations were made. Well, I've also tried to put them behind the lights but the results were the same. In the material editor, I added a new submaterial, HAM_FLRGLOWA. Here are some screenshots to see the material properties: And of course, I assigned the material to the planes. After that, I exported the GMTs as usual, and tested in rFactor. Well, I think that pretty much covers all the process. Hope this helps

18 November 10, 05:07	#28
tonga23 Join Date: Apr 2010	I have the same problem, from certain angle of view, looks good, but suddenly goes crazy! I follow the tutorial letter by letter, try use the plane included in it, try to make a new plane with the specific data in the pdf, try to reset the pivots, try attach the file in a new object, and all without succes. I await for any idea

25 November 10, 10:37	#29
Some1 Join Date: Jan 2010	I think the problem might be in the "plane creating process". If the vertices in the plane aren't in correct order, things can be messed up. I think I included sample planes in the Light Flare Tutorial? .. Can you perhaps try to use those?

25 November 10, 16:52	#30
nomedigano Join Date: Sep 2008	Well, I've tried with your MAX sample. Just raised the plane 1.5 m in the Z axis so it was visible over the car, and no luck. The artifacts are still there. There are even more noticeable because it's the HeadLight Flare shader and when you point the camera directly in front of the plane, the texture moves more. I'm beginning to think it could be caused by the exporter plugin. Is there any special config I need to put in the ISI panel? Would you like that I attach my MAX project so you can check what am I doing wrong? Thanks in advance, Some1

5 February 11, 19:06	#31
Some1 Join Date: Jan 2010	Sorry for bumping this old topic, but I've found a bug in the Light Flare Tutorial that really makes the flares behave wrongly. Namely, the size of the flare quad must be 0.5 units, not 1 unit. Hope this fixes your problems!

7 February 11, 12:05	#33
Some1 Join Date: Jan 2010	Hehe, looks like I still failed to "fix" the bug. So, here's another attempt: For the flares to work correctly, the size of the quad must be 0.5 x 0.5 generic units. This means, that if your scene in Max is set to use mm, you need to change this to the Max generic units. I hope this clarifies the topic.