Race 07 or gtr2

[Trance boy]

Hi , i was just going to go and buy race 07 when i have just checked out gtr 2, i was very keen on race 07 after playing the demo, i really liked the f3000, then i saw gtr 2 , what do you guys thinkf is the best investment??

thanks

[Hezemans]

GTR2, cars are much more interesting......................................H ez.

[geeman]

GTR2 is more easily editable, if thats what your truely after. Race is great though for a simulation of racing incar with the single seaters, with the shakey camera feel, and the rip off visors and dirt and so on. You can get the race cars in GTR2, and they will no doubt be kicking about somewhere, but you'll never get the exact same. GTR2 is just as good to be honest as Race. The choice, is really yours. I'd say, GTR2 ever so slightly over Race.

[darock]

Originally Posted by Trance boy

Hi , i was just going to go and buy race 07 when i have just checked out gtr 2, i was very keen on race 07 after playing the demo, i really liked the f3000, then i saw gtr 2 , what do you guys thinkf is the best investment??

thanks

They are both basically the same application. RACE07 is the newer version and does what it does a bit cleaner. It's graphics are better. But not by much. It's car physics also seem better. But it also does not include some of the things that GTR2 does really well. Like pit stops and long races.

In the US, they both sell for only $20. Why not get both.

As for the cars, GTR2 offers them in mixes within the classes. Lots of different NGT class cars for example. They don't usually race competitively when in the same race. So everyone online usually drives the fastest of the class. And the online races wind up as one type races. You see an awful lot of Ferrari 550 races online. They are labeled as "GT" races, and there are 8 different GT class cars. But once you join the race you find out that everyone there has chosen a 550. So you see a lot of "one type" racing.

RACE07 offers a bunch of different cars. If you like the F3000, you just might like the FBMW or the Radical or the Caterham. They're very different spec class cars. Enter a F3000 race online and everyone is driving the same car but can have different paintjobs. On the other hand, you can run in the WTCC06 or WTCC07 races and there will be FWD and RWD cars that have close to the same capability. Unfortunately, you'll really only be able to run them in sprint races where pitstops aren't an important part.

Both are excellent.

Get 'em both.

[drapin]

GTR2 absolutely.

Both sims indeed use the same engine (a modified but older version of ISI - less evolved than the one used in rFactor). Yes, they are both good, mainly because you can't go much wrong with the ISI engine unless you're a complete dud.

But GTR2 was made by the real masters - the ex-Simbin now Blimey! team.

RACE07 is made by a newbie team, gathered by what was left of Simbin after the founding team split away.

Race07 is good, but not better than a GTR2 mod made by a not so experienced amateur modding team.

[rafnix]

Hi TranceBoy,
after you're into F 3000 most I'll advice you to have a look at NfS.

[drapin]

Originally Posted by darock

On the other hand, you can run in the WTCC06 or WTCC07 races and there will be FWD and RWD cars that have close to the same capability.

There is no really that much variety there, as the only RWD car is the BMW. All the other cars are FWD.

Originally Posted by darock

Unfortunately, you'll really only be able to run them in sprint races where pitstops aren't an important part.

Which is as it should be, as the WTCC series run only 15-20 minutes races, and there is no pitstops in WTCC.

[David Wright]

Originally Posted by Trance boy

Hi , i was just going to go and buy race 07 when i have just checked out gtr 2, i was very keen on race 07 after playing the demo, i really liked the f3000, then i saw gtr 2 , what do you guys thinkf is the best investment??

thanks

If the F3000 are your favourites then I'd get RACE 07, but if you can get both, they do complement each other nicely. GTR2 should be quite cheap now as well.

I think race 07 is more realist than gtr 2 (helmet , cockpit view) and the graphic of the track is much better. If anyone can import the gtr 2 cars with a mod, Race 07 will be the better simulation of the world!

[fizman]

Originally Posted by Femto

If anyone can import the gtr 2 cars with a mod, Race 07 will be the better simulation of the world!

ftw

[IcyMind]

I played both , if I just want to play a short period I go with Race07 If I have much time Gt3

[Trance boy]

thanks for advice ,i keep hearing though that gtr 2 need a real killer of a machine to run , i have a athlon 3500 loads of memory , and a 6600 graffic card , on the demo of race 07 i havent got everything on max.

cheers t

[enerenberg]

Having played both games (way too) extensively, I would say that GTR2 has the better car/track variety by far, but Race 07 has a better "feel" to it. There just seems to be a slightly better combination of camera movement and force feedback in Race 07. I've tried duplicating the FFB settings from my Race .plr file for use in GTR2, but it's just not the same.

[splitpbt]

They both win.
Horses for Courses...

[burnout01]

GTR2. Not just because I play it but you can get F3000, Radicals and a WTCC mod on GTR2. And you get a lot more choice of cars.

[drapin]

Originally Posted by Trance boy

thanks for advice ,i keep hearing though that gtr 2 need a real killer of a machine to run , i have a athlon 3500 loads of memory , and a 6600 graffic card , on the demo of race 07 i havent got everything on max.

No, it's the contrary.

In GTR2 you have the choice of switching from DX9 to DX8 or even DX7 if you PC is not powerful enough to run it, and you're willing to sacrifice the finer DX9 shaders.

RACE07 is a DX9 only game, so if your PC is not powerful enough, there's no way out...unless sacrifice more important things like tracks and/or cars details, lowering other options etc etc.

[SuperCouilles]

I'd put GTL in the mix since, if you buy GTR2 GOTY, you get this game. At 20$, it's a must have.

I'd go like this:
Fun:
Race07 > GTR2 > rFactor > GTL
Graphics:
rFactor > Race07 > GTR2 > GTL (just for the lightning, rFactor wins)
Realism:
rFactor > GTL > Race07 > GTR2 (I feel GTR2 is like running on ice)
FFB:
GTR2 > Race07 > GTL > rFactor
Community:
rFactor > GTR2 > GTL > Race07 (Heh, Race07 is very new, this is going to change)

All in all, these are pretty much equal IMHO. I'd put Race07 a bit in front.

[October]

Originally Posted by SuperCouilles

I'd put GTL in the mix since, if you buy GTR2 GOTY, you get this game. At 20$, it's a must have.

I'd go like this:
Fun:
Race07 > GTR2 > rFactor > GTL
Graphics:
rFactor > Race07 > GTR2 > GTL (just for the lightning, rFactor wins)
Realism:
rFactor > GTL > Race07 > GTR2 (I feel GTR2 is like running on ice)
FFB:
GTR2 > Race07 > GTL > rFactor
Community:
rFactor > GTR2 > GTL > Race07 (Heh, Race07 is very new, this is going to change)

All in all, these are pretty much equal IMHO. I'd put Race07 a bit in front.

I think with the real-feel plugin rFactor's FFB is *better* than GTR2 or Race, but maybe that's just my opinion.

Still, if I could only have one game? rFactor would be it. Between GTR2 and Race? I have both, GTR2 gets much more play time on my machine than Race.

[RKipker]

BOTH.... they're both less than a new game like Crysis...

GTR2 20US w/includes GTL
Race07 20 US

Get them both!

[nigelfortune]

GTR2 is better i think. Just seems to me like a better built game than Race07 and more enjoyable to play.

[brabham67]

GTR2 or RACE 07........ just get both i did and i haven't looked back
GTR2 gets more play on my machine, and as others have mentioned
if u buy GTR2 game of the yeah ed. you get GT legends too. so 3 games for 40 bucks.....not bad:cool:

[Trance boy]

Originally Posted by splitpbt

They both win.
Horses for Courses...

WAR, A , NOT REALLY OR AM I !!!!!!! ANY HOW DOESNT MATTER IVE BROUGHT THEM BOTH!

[splitpbt]

Originally Posted by Trance boy

WAR, A , NOT REALLY OR AM I !!!!!!! ANY HOW DOESNT MATTER IVE BROUGHT THEM BOTH!

Hi Trance boy. Incase you don't know, capital letters is like the internet way of shouting/screaming. Plus, it's hard to read mafrien'.

[WiZPER_DK]

GTR2 is for endurance, RACE'07 is for sprints

MODS 'stolen' from RACE'07 to GTR2 are WAY!! to easy to drive, physics just ain't the same.

I'm admin in "Danish RACE League" for RACE'07 @ www.DRL.dk, we are just about 500 members now so changes are allready there. We will soon merge with a GTR2/GTL league though, since all games have their forces.

[Dzul]

Originally Posted by WiZPER_DK

GTR2 is for endurance, RACE'07 is for sprints

A very good description... I'd say, get both, they're quite cheap now.

[Trance boy]

ok thanks , ill make sure caps is not on. cheers pal

[pdr]

gtr2 hands down in my opinion.

I don't understand people claiming that race07 has better graphics (looks very cartony to me a little bit like gp4 at the time) or a better gameplay. Race07 is a good sim but something is wrong. Difficult to define exactely what is wrong but I am always pulled back to GTL, Rfactor and GTR2.

Ok race07 is a decent racing sim (and I enjoy the F3000 and formula bmw) but giving the fact that it is the latest from simbim, I expected much more.

Of course if you love sim racing you need more than 1 title. The must have:

gpl
gtl
rfactor (especially F79 mod and meganes), warning this game has no AI! so play it online.
gtr2
rbr (best rally game ever)
race07
f1c & gp4 (although both obsolete now, there is no real F1 PC alternative)

There is no "best" title, they all have strenghts & flaws but my favourite remains GTL (very decent in every aspect)

[WiZPER_DK]

rFactor.. no AI ??

I don't race in rFactor, only use it when making tracks. But yes it does have AI, I have learned a few to race me in my projects - how can you miss this feature ?!?

That they are'nt very competative is another thing, but they DO exist. And simracers race ONLINE, offline racing is for arcaders

[David Wright]

Originally Posted by WiZPER_DK

And simracers race ONLINE, offline racing is for arcaders

In my experience most on-line racing is a joke I'm sure league racing is much better but I prefer to race whenever I want to.

[Gaiajohan]

I have tried all of them
and the ones I legally posess are GTL, GTR2, RBR, GP4, Race07.

Illegaly I have GPL and F1C, as I can't find those games in the shops, and rFactor I only tried because of Le Mans. The carmods are rubbish imho.. To me the racing cars always have to less grip, and how you shake in a cockpit is just overdone.
I just believe when companies use real data to make their game. A modding team just does what they THINK is right.

[WiZPER_DK]

David, your right about drivers on 'public' server - I urge you to find a league, you will not be sorry..

[NWRAP_Golly]

Originally Posted by Gaiajohan

I have tried all of them
and the ones I legally posess are GTL, GTR2, RBR, GP4, Race07.

Illegaly I have GPL and F1C, as I can't find those games in the shops, and rFactor I only tried because of Le Mans. The carmods are rubbish imho.. To me the racing cars always have to less grip, and how you shake in a cockpit is just overdone.
I just believe when companies use real data to make their game. A modding team just does what they THINK is right.

I have Race 07 and I am very impressed with the out of box G25 settings (feedback), the best I have ever experienced, feels reaaallll.

Dont know about the Rfactor cockpit shake mate, i got rid of mine, the car shakes but the screen onroad doesnt, so more realistic.. ill have to research that on how i did it.

Not all companies use real data, and not all modding teams do what they think is right. Look at PCC07, now that is a mod that is pure class for rfactor. Autocad models and cockpits, fantastic.

Looking forward to the mods to come for Race 07, should be a good platform in the future.

[Thood]

I would go with Race07 and G25 offcourse!

I have GTR2, RFactor and (LFS, good driving physics but that's about it).
The Best/most real FFB+Rumble+driving physics/camera imo. has the Race07, especially when it comes to FFB options, you've got tons of options on Race07 compared to the others.

Well both of the games are great but I will give Race 07 the slight nod, Race 07 seem to be more realistic driving and you can take on some corners using g force, and breaking is very inportant, Unlike Gtr2 the only reason I think most people will like GTR2 better because of the mods, But when the modders start making mods for Race 07 I will quit playing R factor and maybe GTR2. When I had money I use to race cars and out of all the racing games I played Race 07 is very close to the real thing.

[struan80]

Damn, You guys are making me go and buy Race 07 just to give it a try

I have installed, LFS, rfactor, Netkar pro, GTL, GTR2 and RB rally, they are all very fun sims, only problem is I don't have time to play them all, well one day the missus might divorce me I can only hope.
For online play I would say that LFS edges it.

Oh and hello all this is my first post on here

[darock]

Well, you won't notice much difference between GTR2 and RACE07. Less than between GTL and GTR2.

As for online, you will notice that in RACE07 lots of races have more than just a bunch of red 550s in them.

[fng]

Both great games, race 07 slightly graphically sharper but GTR2 better game play and bucket loads of free addons which you won't get with 07.

[Wonder Warthog]

Funnily enough I just reinstalled rFactor which I never really got into before, and nothing has really changed my opinion... I patched it to the latest version and installed the Meganes which seems to be the mod of choice, but wasn't blown away.

I've also been playing a fair bit of GTR2 recently, which of course has the best cars (love FIA GT) but is damn hard. It's starting to show its age a bit, but is without a doubt a great game, and so moddable... worth getting just for Power & Glory alone.

But then after a few days of these two sims I went back to Race 07 and started a new championship with a Seat round Curitiba... and to my mind, Race has the immersion factor, and that's what it's about for me. Most improtantly the feel, the sounds, and particulalrly the FFB in Race is sublime, and you genuinely do feel like you're racing... then for a laugh I took an old WTCC 87 M3 round Valencia in the wet (FANTASTIC), a F3000 for a spin (scary fast .. I'm too old for these... try the FBMWs if you are too), had a blast in a Caterham.. and the Minis are just sublime, so much fun..

So I guess it's Race 07 for me ... and if you're quite new to racing sims, it makes the most sense too.. it works out of the box, has plenty of variety without needing mods... has "easier" classes for a beginner to drive like WTCC .. it's the most up to date graphically .. has a modern UI... can you tell, I like it?

[darock]

I find the difference in cars in GTR2 to have little overlap. I like to race with a mix of cars and they almost always have sorted out into alike groups in GTR2. Simbin really didn't do much for overlapping when you run offline. If you setup a race with 5 different cars, it turns out like a race with 5 different classes. And go online and you don't find any cars other than the damn red 550s.

With RACE07 most racing doesn't really combine a lot of different types. The WTCC does have a mix. Lots of different paint jobs and some different cars.

Online in RACE07 has a lot more to offer. Offline too.

[Eno]

darock, Most that run the 550s, run Monza. The best racing in GTR2 online comes from the GT2/NGT/G3 classes as far as cars that came with the sim. Every sim seems to have the "Kiddie" tracks that people or Kids just run. In Papyrus it was Daytona/Talladega and in Simbin its Monza. People have known almost since this sim came out that the sim had a bug in the 550. Why when Simbin released a patch for this sim, this wasn't addressed is beyond me. Most serious sim racers I know, dont race the GTs for this reason. I havent raced GTs in over a year. Also there many mods out that are WAY better than GTs. As far as overlapping, depending on the track and driver. The Gillet and Comp viper can run with the NGTs just as the Corvette can run with the GTs. Its also why alot run the BMW-M3,Seat etc. with the NGTs. So there is overlapping of classes and you see this everyday online.

[darock]

Yes there is overlapping in driver talent, but you have to go online to see it. Simbin certainly didn't work out the game to run offline with what you would call overlapping.

Having worked with the P&G mod for GTR2 showed just how tightly Simbin made each car run. If there was a slight advantage from one car to another, there would be almost no overlap of the two. Go online and the overlap came. But it was what normal human differences gave. Something that wasn't simulated in offline.

And yes, there are kiddie tracks and cars. And when you look for a race online, that's what you see the vast majority of races being. Yes, serious racers race other cars than the 550, but they also race the 550s in the races that're there online when all the others are 550s. Absolutely true that there is overlapping when there are different tracks and cars selected. It just doesn't usually happen online. Unless you're online in RACE07.

Last time online in RACE07 there were a number of races with more than half full grids at a number of different tracks. And when I got into them, only about 1/3 the cars were BMWs, so there was an honest mix. Not the same deal when looking for a race online in GTR2 that isn't almost full with 550s. We must be online in GTR2 at different times.

whatever...........

[szelljr]

gtr2 the best....

[pdr]

I prefer GTR2 over Race07 (although also great) and Race07 over Rfactor but GTL beats them all. It's so damn authentic, the retro-atmosphere is just amazing and the graphics superb for a 3 year old game...
Add richard burns rally and you have pretty much the top list racing simulations. It's a pity that after GP4 and F1 challenge no real F1 simulator was released for PC platform (damn Sony) but F3000 within Race07 is also awsome, although not being F1.
I don't like the up-to-date F1 simulation mods in Rfactor (especially offline (ai) is a joke) but the F79 and F88 are a blast (online that is)

[McDanger]

Race07 has just edged into the lead for me recently,GTR2 has run its course a bit for me personally.

[Roberto Sagessi]

As a newer user and offline only I do have to pipe in for anyone just deciding, that Race07 does have a heavier PC horsepower requirement. It took me about 1-2 months and several hundred dollars in upgrades to get my machine happy running R07...basically a 8800 GT, PS, and X-fi SoundCard. All along I had no probs with GTR2. Now having said that, it IS worth the time money and effort spent since with my rig R07 looks and feels much better the GTR2. It is true that GTR2 has the mods but a lot of them are buggy and or require quite a bit of research to get to work...haow much time have you put into finding out which tracks are needed for a Chmpnshp? So for the Out-of-box experience R07 wins again. Just thought it importatnt to bring up the R07 requirements issue though, especially since many could be surprised at how poorly there system runs it compared to an existing GTR2 install and might not be ready for the cash outlay.

I onli have Race07 and I was wondering how much AI cars are allowed at once in GTR2??? And is online better in Race07 or GTR2???

[nascarbr]

I like to play offline. Race 07 AI is much better than GTR2.

[darock]

RACE07 offline has a lot better overlapping of the performance of the different cars. There is actually a mix of cars in the race and at the finish. When the finish has all the Elise's in a block and all the Z3s in a block and all the...... you see what I mean?

And since I like to run short races of 8-10laps, the sprint race format seems better for me. Or maybe it's that the pitstop format is of no real value.

nascarbr, said it. RACE07 AI is better offline than GTR2. I hope the next release improves the AI's racing as much as R07 improved on GTR2.

[Highflyer]

I have GTR2 and Race 07 and only ever race online and this is my biggest gripe,...my main staple is rFactor and have been spoiled by an online user interface that is second to none, I mean...in gtr2 and race 07 you have a seperate page for chatting...that to me is intolerable, I like to see what others are doing, chatting and seeing the times all on one screen.

As for the performance debate between gtr2 and race 07,...for me the reverse is true,....I found that gtr2 was a complete system hog,...sometimes down in the teens for fps, (and I have a very decent rig)where as race 07 ran like a dream,...perfectly smooth and fluent.

All in all it makes no difference to me as I only race rFactor, even tho I have every other racing sim there is. (not any arcade shite you understand)

Allan

Both games kick *. But it mostly has to do with what you are looking for, what you prefer. I guess what types of cars the two games include is known, so: maybe those compared characteristics of the games would help, and please someone correct me if i am wrong.

Physics: Race07 better than GTR2.

Graphics: Race07 slightly better.

AI: I think Race07, worse if not the same.

Bugs: GTR2 minor, Race07 more but with all the updates it's getting better.

Simulation level: I think both games are very good in that.

Control accuracy: Race07 better.

Force feedback effects: Race07 richer.