Is my G25 finished?...

ElliottG · 15 September 11, 03:39

Hey guys

Wasn't entirely sure where to post this so I'm putting it here...

Playing with my G25 and smelt some electrical burning...then the force feedback went kind of crazy. So I stopped playing with it for a while thinking that it was dead.

Just a few days ago I said what the hell and tried it again and it was finicky at first but then it worked fine

Now I went to try it today and new symptom: plug everything in and the wheel doesn't perform it's self-test like it usually does...nothing...nada!

All buttons on the steering wheel work and everything else works...just there is no steering input.

I opened the wheel and saw that the force feedback motors (I think that's what they are? The cylindrical things) had some soot looking stuff on the outside of them...

Nothing on the PCB was burnt.

What should I do now? I'm way out of Logitech's warranty...

Any ideas?

Thanks,
Elliott

ElliottG · 16 September 11, 04:13

Bump

deak1944 · 16 September 11, 13:55

link gone

MozzMann · 18 September 11, 09:59

Controller board by the sounds of that.

the Race Sim Central thread has some great info

ElliottG · 21 September 11, 23:10

Thanks

So short of reading through the 11 pages of that thread (which I will find time eventually), what can I do? Can I fix the board or have it sent somewhere?

AndreiRS · 22 September 11, 00:19

If your wheel still has the warranty then just send it all, and assembled, to get a new one, otherwise you will have to clean these motors, preferably inside too, but that can also destroy them if you don't it very carefully, also you will need to remove the IRF transistor, and put a new one on the main board or maybe both.

AndreiRS · 22 September 11, 00:21

http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/7...eofimg0017.jpg

These black things, one is the IRF7103 as we can see on the pic, if I'm not wrong, the other is not the same but a IRF7142.

ElliottG · 2 November 11, 03:29

Thanks.

Unfortunately my wheel is no longer under warranty. So what do I need to change exactly? Is there a specific thing that goes on these wheels or is it all different things?

It appears now that everything works, except for the wheel inputs. The last time I tried it (I believe) there was no force feedback on the wheel and the inputs from the wheel were not getting transferred to my computer.

LittleZippyUK · 9 November 11, 12:17

My G25 smells like burning, emailed Logitech they offered me 35% off in their store, so bagged a G27 for £170

Zegga · 24 January 12, 09:21

Hi. Did you end up fixing it or finding out what you needed to do exactly to fix it?

Your description matches exactly what happened to mine (Bought 2nd hand 3years ago, never a week without use and not a single problem until now)
Bad electrical smell that reminded me of scalextric then ffb went funny and stopped. Now I just get a dim power led but no FFB at all.
I can still use it fine enough but games won't recognise left/right inputs on the wheel unless I do the rotation all the way left then right then center first.

DjMC · 24 January 12, 13:32

Have you tried contacting Logitech? A friend had his wheel replaced out of warranty when the same thing happened, & a few months ago my G25's brake pedal started sticking (mine was also out of warranty), & Logitech replaced it with a G27. I dunno if it being second hand will affect if Logitech will deal with you, maybe don't tell them unless they ask for your proof of purchase

Zegga · 25 January 12, 00:19

Did he call or email? I contacted them twice but both times they just told me the usual (Unplug, try different slot, machines etc) then if that didn't work to take it to the store I bought it from if it's within a year from purchase.

I'd really prefer fixing the G25, or finding another one. I use the sequential shifter quite a bit.

DjMC · 25 January 12, 13:50

I dunno what he did, I emailed them. They said the same things to me (troubleshooting wise). If you gave them the serial no. they should be able to tell it's out of warranty. I would have preferred to of kept my G25 as well, but as they offered me a free G27 replacement I just couldn't refuse

ElliottG · 7 March 12, 21:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zegga

Hi. Did you end up fixing it or finding out what you needed to do exactly to fix it?

Your description matches exactly what happened to mine (Bought 2nd hand 3years ago, never a week without use and not a single problem until now)
Bad electrical smell that reminded me of scalextric then ffb went funny and stopped. Now I just get a dim power led but no FFB at all.
I can still use it fine enough but games won't recognise left/right inputs on the wheel unless I do the rotation all the way left then right then center first.

Sorry for not responding to this thread but I thought it was dead a long time ago and I had mostly given up.

But nope I have not fixed the wheel...don't know what to do about it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DjMC

Have you tried contacting Logitech? A friend had his wheel replaced out of warranty when the same thing happened, & a few months ago my G25's brake pedal started sticking (mine was also out of warranty), & Logitech replaced it with a G27. I dunno if it being second hand will affect if Logitech will deal with you, maybe don't tell them unless they ask for your proof of purchase

Well i did talk to Logitech and I think they offered me some sort of discount on a G27...which i'm not really interested in. This wheel was a gift and although I've had a lot of fun with it, I'm not going to be paying for a new G27, even with a discount.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zegga

Did he call or email? I contacted them twice but both times they just told me the usual (Unplug, try different slot, machines etc) then if that didn't work to take it to the store I bought it from if it's within a year from purchase.

I'd really prefer fixing the G25, or finding another one. I use the sequential shifter quite a bit.

See above

frisco557 · 8 March 12, 03:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by ElliottG

Well i did talk to Logitech and I think they offered me some sort of discount on a G27...which i'm not really interested in. This wheel was a gift and although I've had a lot of fun with it, I'm not going to be paying for a new G27, even with a discount.

That discount is good for other wheels. Why not pick up a Driving Force GT?

ElliottG · 9 March 12, 12:31

No clutch pedal.

DurgeDriven · 9 March 12, 12:50

Fanatec Carrera is 100eu
http://www.fanatec.de/webshop/new_eu...7b392c7fcb6cbf

Better pedals then other "cheap" wheels.
I have it working in all sims well, 200% better then Momo or DFGT

Only problem GT Legends would not find/assign 3 of the left wheel buttons.

Used Joy2Key to map them from keystrokes worked.

Jimmy The Fox · 9 March 12, 17:50

My G25 had sticky pedals and a burning smell. I contacted the European website customer service in January this year and they offered me a free G27 after I explained my problems. I was amazed as it was a good year+ out of warranty, and I had no proof of purchase.

They gave me a number to write on a piece of paper, which I had to put next to the G25 and take a photo, five days later I took delivery of my new wheel.

Amazing customer service

Zegga · 10 March 12, 10:54

I have some parts on order which will hopefully arrive this coming week. If I fix it I'll let you know.

It's so frustrating reading all these stories of people getting replacement wheels

I contacted them 3 seperate times but no offers of replacement or discounts.
Fanatec Carrera looks alright, Id like to test out out. Last time I looked at the Fanatecs they were much more expensive.

DurgeDriven · 10 March 12, 12:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zegga

I have some parts on order which will hopefully arrive this coming week. If I fix it I'll let you know.

It's so frustrating reading all these stories of people getting replacement wheels

I contacted them 3 seperate times but no offers of replacement or discounts.
Fanatec Carrera looks alright, Id like to test out out. Last time I looked at the Fanatecs they were much more expensive.

Well they are, the Carrera is gear drive and the rest are belt drive.

Here is better info then sale link.
http://www.fanatec.de/html/index.php?id=280&lang=en

Compare
http://www.fanatec.de/html/pw_overview.htm

Personally I would have it over Momo or DFGT

It is a bit noisy when turning fast locks but not too bad.
Sort of sounds like a Red Momo ( alloy gear drive )
Someone can correct me but it has alloy/metal gears not to plastic. ?

Anyway pedals and shifter I have no complaint for the money.
Wheel is 30cm same size as GT3/GT2

Good feature they have mounts in base for 4 x 6mm screws to mount
more solid.
*** I can't tell from instructions how long bolts should be depending on base thickness or if the mounts have stoppers.

15 September 11, 03:39	#1
ElliottG Join Date: Apr 2008	Is my G25 finished?... Hey guys Wasn't entirely sure where to post this so I'm putting it here... Playing with my G25 and smelt some electrical burning...then the force feedback went kind of crazy. So I stopped playing with it for a while thinking that it was dead. Just a few days ago I said what the hell and tried it again and it was finicky at first but then it worked fine Now I went to try it today and new symptom: plug everything in and the wheel doesn't perform it's self-test like it usually does...nothing...nada! All buttons on the steering wheel work and everything else works...just there is no steering input. I opened the wheel and saw that the force feedback motors (I think that's what they are? The cylindrical things) had some soot looking stuff on the outside of them... Nothing on the PCB was burnt. What should I do now? I'm way out of Logitech's warranty... Any ideas? Thanks, Elliott

16 September 11, 13:55	#3
deak1944 Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: here	link gone Last edited by deak1944; 24 January 12 at 12:41. Reason: link gone

24 January 12, 09:21	#10
Zegga Join Date: Jan 2009	Hi. Did you end up fixing it or finding out what you needed to do exactly to fix it? Your description matches exactly what happened to mine (Bought 2nd hand 3years ago, never a week without use and not a single problem until now) Bad electrical smell that reminded me of scalextric then ffb went funny and stopped. Now I just get a dim power led but no FFB at all. I can still use it fine enough but games won't recognise left/right inputs on the wheel unless I do the rotation all the way left then right then center first. Last edited by Zegga; 24 January 12 at 09:41.

18 September 11, 09:59	#4
MozzMann Donated Join Date: Jul 2007	Controller board by the sounds of that. the Race Sim Central thread has some great info

21 September 11, 23:10	#5
ElliottG Join Date: Apr 2008	Thanks So short of reading through the 11 pages of that thread (which I will find time eventually), what can I do? Can I fix the board or have it sent somewhere?

22 September 11, 00:19	#6
AndreiRS Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Porto Alegre - Brasil Age: 23	If your wheel still has the warranty then just send it all, and assembled, to get a new one, otherwise you will have to clean these motors, preferably inside too, but that can also destroy them if you don't it very carefully, also you will need to remove the IRF transistor, and put a new one on the main board or maybe both.

22 September 11, 00:21	#7
AndreiRS Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Porto Alegre - Brasil Age: 23	http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/7...eofimg0017.jpg These black things, one is the IRF7103 as we can see on the pic, if I'm not wrong, the other is not the same but a IRF7142.

2 November 11, 03:29	#8
ElliottG Join Date: Apr 2008	Thanks. Unfortunately my wheel is no longer under warranty. So what do I need to change exactly? Is there a specific thing that goes on these wheels or is it all different things? It appears now that everything works, except for the wheel inputs. The last time I tried it (I believe) there was no force feedback on the wheel and the inputs from the wheel were not getting transferred to my computer.

9 November 11, 12:17	#9
LittleZippyUK Uploader Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: England Age: 19	My G25 smells like burning, emailed Logitech they offered me 35% off in their store, so bagged a G27 for £170

24 January 12, 13:32	#11
DjMC Join Date: Jun 2010	Have you tried contacting Logitech? A friend had his wheel replaced out of warranty when the same thing happened, & a few months ago my G25's brake pedal started sticking (mine was also out of warranty), & Logitech replaced it with a G27. I dunno if it being second hand will affect if Logitech will deal with you, maybe don't tell them unless they ask for your proof of purchase

25 January 12, 00:19	#12
Zegga Join Date: Jan 2009	Did he call or email? I contacted them twice but both times they just told me the usual (Unplug, try different slot, machines etc) then if that didn't work to take it to the store I bought it from if it's within a year from purchase. I'd really prefer fixing the G25, or finding another one. I use the sequential shifter quite a bit.

25 January 12, 13:50	#13
DjMC Join Date: Jun 2010	I dunno what he did, I emailed them. They said the same things to me (troubleshooting wise). If you gave them the serial no. they should be able to tell it's out of warranty. I would have preferred to of kept my G25 as well, but as they offered me a free G27 replacement I just couldn't refuse

9 March 12, 12:31	#16
ElliottG Join Date: Apr 2008	No clutch pedal.

9 March 12, 12:50	#17
DurgeDriven Join Date: Jan 2011	Fanatec Carrera is 100eu http://www.fanatec.de/webshop/new_eu...7b392c7fcb6cbf Better pedals then other "cheap" wheels. I have it working in all sims well, 200% better then Momo or DFGT Only problem GT Legends would not find/assign 3 of the left wheel buttons. Used Joy2Key to map them from keystrokes worked.

9 March 12, 17:50	#18
Jimmy The Fox Join Date: Apr 2011	My G25 had sticky pedals and a burning smell. I contacted the European website customer service in January this year and they offered me a free G27 after I explained my problems. I was amazed as it was a good year+ out of warranty, and I had no proof of purchase. They gave me a number to write on a piece of paper, which I had to put next to the G25 and take a photo, five days later I took delivery of my new wheel. Amazing customer service

10 March 12, 10:54	#19
Zegga Join Date: Jan 2009	I have some parts on order which will hopefully arrive this coming week. If I fix it I'll let you know. It's so frustrating reading all these stories of people getting replacement wheels I contacted them 3 seperate times but no offers of replacement or discounts. Fanatec Carrera looks alright, Id like to test out out. Last time I looked at the Fanatecs they were much more expensive.